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Viejo Dinosaur
EOG Master
Chargers made a 4th down conversion with under 2 minutes left…Rail making up shit again….
HIRE A STRATEGIST.....Pro football promotes brawn over brains.
While there's no denying the amazing strength and brute force of NFL players, football will never be called a thinking man's game.
Coaches and players seemingly commit tactical errors in every quarter of every game.
Sharp gamblers never run out of material when talking about the strategic shortcomings from a Sunday schedule of NFL games.
The most glaring errors involve ignorance of the game's rules, the gross misuse of timeouts and the blatant disregard of "time and score," a concept better understood by baseball and basketball players.
While there's no denying the amazing strength and brute force of NFL players, football will never be called a thinking man's game.
Coaches and players seemingly commit tactical errors in every quarter of every game.
Sharp gamblers never run out of material when talking about the strategic shortcomings from a Sunday schedule of NFL games.
The most glaring errors involve ignorance of the game's rules, the gross misuse of timeouts and the blatant disregard of "time and score," a concept better understood by baseball and basketball players.
Proud to say I wrote the above post in October 2010.
Some of my EOG contributions have not aged well.
This one did.
Some of my EOG contributions have not aged well.
This one did.
railbird
EOG Master
i think baseball is at an all time low with execution. a football playbook is much more complex than a basketball playbook
FairWarning
Bells Beer Connoisseur
To be fair at the time of posting, they were 0-2. One thing analytics has changed that has gone unnoticed is the lack of FGs. Teams seem to be going for it more now.
FairWarning
Bells Beer Connoisseur
Baseball is awful at strategy now. It has taken a decade to draft these new era players - look at the results.
Two of today's baseball strategies I endorse: I love second basemen positioned in short right field and I appreciate walking dangerous hitters in the postseason to find struggling hitters in the lineup.
I remember one postseason where men were at first and second with two out and the television analyst (Orel Hershiser possibly?) recommended to pitch around the hitter because "third base was open."
I remember one postseason where men were at first and second with two out and the television analyst (Orel Hershiser possibly?) recommended to pitch around the hitter because "third base was open."
It's just terrible. Most completely incapable of hitting any other way but softball-style swing from your heels every pitch.
Woodrow Wilson
EOG Dedicated
When a coach knows the # has moved several points against his squad, he should be more aggressive passing downfield, for the DPI, RTP or defensive holding flags are going to appear.
None of the computer nerds ever factor that into their algorithms.
None of the computer nerds ever factor that into their algorithms.
FairWarning
Bells Beer Connoisseur
When he was in Chicago, they had the best D. All of a sudden those same players walked all over Madden and quit doing the little things it took to win - starting with defense.
I'm sure many will say I'm wrong on this, but once again, the Chargers involved in a 4th down situation. Down 27-17, it was 4th and 2 from the Minnesota 6 with about 4:30 to play. "Down 2 scores, get the FG now", said the announcers. I disagreed with the decision. It wasn't a 4th and 7 and they weren't at the Minnesota 30 or further out. They were at the 6, and only needed 2 for a first down. "You stay alive longer kicking", we are told. So what? So if the Chargers fail on that 4th and 2, they have to live 4 1/2 more minutes of misery knowing they aren't likely to win? As it turned out, the kick was good.....but the Chargers never did get the ball back. And if you do get the ball back, there's a great chance you don't get to penetrate all the way to the 6 yard line of the Vikings. So try to get the 7 now. And if the Vikings are pinned back that deep in their own territory, they likely would be ultra conservative, and maybe giving the Chargers another shot with likely good field position. But don't underestimate that 4 minutes. I'm sure the Chargers feel better knowing they thought, for 4 1/2 more minutes,, that they had a shot at tying or winning the game.
Yeah, I had the over in the game (at a great price of 50 1/2) and knew it was UNDER when they sent out the FG kicker.
Yeah, I had the over in the game (at a great price of 50 1/2) and knew it was UNDER when they sent out the FG kicker.
Agree with VALUIST, go for the touchdown there.
Two advantages rarely mentioned in that situation: 1) The field position advantage with Minnesota forced to huddle in its end zone AND 2) The information gained in knowing what you have to do in the final four-and-a-half minutes of the game.
Two advantages rarely mentioned in that situation: 1) The field position advantage with Minnesota forced to huddle in its end zone AND 2) The information gained in knowing what you have to do in the final four-and-a-half minutes of the game.
And, of course, the tactical maneuvering must be accompanied by brilliant play calling.
If a team is screwing up one part of the equation, then they're probably going to screw up the other part, too.
If a team is screwing up one part of the equation, then they're probably going to screw up the other part, too.
Ray Luca
EOG Master
railbird
EOG Master
yeah that was really weird
Jb777
EOG Dedicated
RTP?
Roughing the passer.
Here's my trick play in football, tell me if you like it.
We're on defense and, of course, most trick plays are on offense.
Fourth down and two or three yards to go.
The quarterback brings his team to the line of scrimmage.
You have eleven men on defense, yet you act as though you have 12 men on defense with one defender charging to the sidelines.
Quarterback takes a quick snap, thinking he has a free play, but he doesn't.
Defender who has raced toward the sidelines circles back to be part of the play after the snap.
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We're on defense and, of course, most trick plays are on offense.
Fourth down and two or three yards to go.
The quarterback brings his team to the line of scrimmage.
You have eleven men on defense, yet you act as though you have 12 men on defense with one defender charging to the sidelines.
Quarterback takes a quick snap, thinking he has a free play, but he doesn't.
Defender who has raced toward the sidelines circles back to be part of the play after the snap.
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Murphy’s Best
EOG Dedicated
Not bad …. At least you are thinking!
raycabino
Long Live Wilson!
1st really bad decision he has made since I've been wathcing him.
Peyton Manning bullied Tony Dungy on many occasions.
I can still see Peyton waving off the punt team.
FairWarning
Bells Beer Connoisseur
The player running back won’t have a chance to be in on the play.
Unless he's a cornerback set to guard the outside receiver.
FairWarning
Bells Beer Connoisseur
Chances are its going to be some sort of inside slant with a slot WR or a TE.
And, of course, the guy running off the field has to be a master salesman.
And only run the play at the most critical moment.
Once word leaks out, the "trick" in trick play is history.
And only run the play at the most critical moment.
Once word leaks out, the "trick" in trick play is history.
FairWarning
Bells Beer Connoisseur
It could force the offense to burn a TO though.
Understood.
But the idea is to fool the quarterback into thinking he has a free play.
If he throws deep and connects, you didn't hear about the trick play from me.
No.
The offense should be in hurry-up mode to catch what they think is a 12th man on the field.
FairWarning
Bells Beer Connoisseur
Right but the coach can call it, not understanding there are 11 players
Possible.
But the play would continue and replay would vindicate the defense.
A whistle would kill the play.
FairWarning
Bells Beer Connoisseur
The Bears would execute that play to perfection, only to have someone line up offsides.