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#2
Churchill gets away with acting like total gangsters. Paying off the state too, blatant bribery going on. But it's Illinois, what else would you expect to happen in such a shithole.
 

Rockfish

EOG Senior Member
#3
Churchill gets away with acting like total gangsters. Paying off the state too, blatant bribery going on. But it's Illinois, what else would you expect to happen in such a shithole.
i live in illinois. i disagree with you about it being a shithole. it is a shithole times 10 with sky high taxes and a city, county, and state deep in debt.
 

Rockfish

EOG Senior Member
#4
No one saw this coming and anyone who tells you they did is a liar. What i mean is if 15 or 20 years ago if someone told you the Carey family will still own Hawthorne in 2022 and be the only Chicago area track still racing outlasting Sportsman Park, Balmoral, Maywood Park, And Arlington Park. Can't happen. No chance.

Hawthorne always got the worst of the racing dates and always got shit on by those in power. Duchossois at Arlington, Bidwell and Johnson family with Sportsman, Maywood and Balmoral all had more political pull and bribery power than Hawthorne.

Carey family has to be absolutely loving this after all these years being treated like a red headed step child. All the above mentioned, spent untold millions first trying to stop casino gambling. Then when the casinos got in, then spending millions more over the next 20 years attempting to get slots at the tracks. Here we are with Hawthorne going to be the only surviving track and with a full blown casino.

That is why i always remind myself to never say never.
 

John Kelly

Born Gambler
Staff member
#5
Excellent history lesson, ROCKFISH.

Hawthorne is proof of the biblical verse, "The last shall be first and the first last."

One note to Hawthorne's marketing department: Dump the phrase "historic" Hawthorne.

No one will be heading to the casino/racetrack in Stickney thinking about Hawthorne's 100-year-old family business.
 
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#6
And watch what happens whenever Chicago gets a casino, it will crush Rivers numbers. Rivers working behind the scenes (bribery) to try to keep Chicago from getting a viable casino but eventually its going to happen. And that's the point where Churchill will think to themselves maybe, just maybe we should have had another casino a little further out from the city with only ancient Elgin around to compete with us to protect our revenue streams. If they don't get the Waukegan casino, and then half of their customer base heads to a Chicago casino or a Hawthorne casino, they are going to see cratered gaming numbers. This latest investment and expansion will look stupid.

I have been around this industry a long time and seen a lot. Nothing comes close to the outright corruption and "pay to play" bullshit you see in Illinois or Pennsyvlania. Those two states are in a class by themselves. Stuff that would get you throw into jail for years in other states is seen as just part of the political game in these two states. I know everyone thinks the government in their state is corrupt too, but trust me you have never seen such blatant dirty shit going on until you have spent some time seeing and hearing what goes on in these two.
 

John Kelly

Born Gambler
Staff member
#7
And watch what happens whenever Chicago gets a casino, it will crush Rivers numbers. Rivers working behind the scenes (bribery) to try to keep Chicago from getting a viable casino but eventually its going to happen. And that's the point where Churchill will think to themselves maybe, just maybe we should have had another casino a little further out from the city with only ancient Elgin around to compete with us to protect our revenue streams. If they don't get the Waukegan casino, and then half of their customer base heads to a Chicago casino or a Hawthorne casino, they are going to see cratered gaming numbers. This latest investment and expansion will look stupid.

I have been around this industry a long time and seen a lot. Nothing comes close to the outright corruption and "pay to play" bullshit you see in Illinois or Pennsyvlania. Those two states are in a class by themselves. Stuff that would get you throw into jail for years in other states is seen as just part of the political game in these two states. I know everyone thinks the government in their state is corrupt too, but trust me you have never seen such blatant dirty shit going on until you have spent some time seeing and hearing what goes on in these two.

Louisiana feels left out.
 

Valuist

EOG Dedicated
#8
And watch what happens whenever Chicago gets a casino, it will crush Rivers numbers. Rivers working behind the scenes (bribery) to try to keep Chicago from getting a viable casino but eventually its going to happen. And that's the point where Churchill will think to themselves maybe, just maybe we should have had another casino a little further out from the city with only ancient Elgin around to compete with us to protect our revenue streams. If they don't get the Waukegan casino, and then half of their customer base heads to a Chicago casino or a Hawthorne casino, they are going to see cratered gaming numbers. This latest investment and expansion will look stupid.

I have been around this industry a long time and seen a lot. Nothing comes close to the outright corruption and "pay to play" bullshit you see in Illinois or Pennsyvlania. Those two states are in a class by themselves. Stuff that would get you throw into jail for years in other states is seen as just part of the political game in these two states. I know everyone thinks the government in their state is corrupt too, but trust me you have never seen such blatant dirty shit going on until you have spent some time seeing and hearing what goes on in these two.
I'm not so sure of that. Rivers gets a lot of traffic from O'Hare layovers. That isn't going away. The city of Chicago is a shithole.
 
#9
I'm not so sure of that. Rivers gets a lot of traffic from O'Hare layovers. That isn't going away. The city of Chicago is a shithole.
Very very little from O'Hare layovers. Their business is Chicago and the north suburbs. Its an amazing business, talking about 3 million residents, most of them from the higher income parts of the area. The lower income areas of Chicago they are already losing to Indiana. This is why they shut down Arlington and are trying to buy their way into the Waukegan license and make Chicago not a viable location, all to keep out competition.
 
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