Bookmaker's cowardly prices

#41
Yesterday:

Bookmaker closed Milwaukee/Pitt at -195/+175
Heritage -192/+177
5dimes -186/+176



Houston/Baltimore:

Bookmaker/ -195/+175
Heritage: -194/+179
5dimes: -185/+175
pinnacle: -192/+177
 
#42
Pinnacle and 5dimes both close better than bookmaker at least 80% of the time. Both have high limits.
Today at 1130 Pacific time bm opened-110 for Tuesday on 13 totals limits were 2k theyll increase to 3k by 6pm. Can you please tell me what 5dimes had for openers.. they wait and copy cris and at 7pm go to reduced for 500$ max limits and if you are showing good clv with profites they limit first and then boot you.
Can you tell me what pinnacle does for openers and for how much? I use them daily as well. Not in same ballpark. Can you tell me how many pinny agents will let you go over a nickel on overnights in MLB? If you can find one.. send him tips better than anyone else in life monthly is my advice.
 
#43
Yesterday:

Bookmaker closed Milwaukee/Pitt at -195/+175
Heritage -192/+177
5dimes -186/+176



Houston/Baltimore:

Bookmaker/ -195/+175
Heritage: -194/+179
5dimes: -185/+175
pinnacle: -192/+177
Heritage quickest to boot ever
5dimes take zero sharp action strictly a mirror at this point. No originators in that shop.
Pinny 2 cents better and slow to pay and won't take a real bet anymore. 100$ on some college totals last yr. Love them but it's clear they are not risk adverse as once were.
 

Heim

EOG Master
#44
Heritage quickest to boot ever
5dimes take zero sharp action strictly a mirror at this point. No originators in that shop.
Pinny 2 cents better and slow to pay and won't take a real bet anymore. 100$ on some college totals last yr. Love them but it's clear they are not risk adverse as once were.

Why haven't you moved to Vegas?
 
#45
Why haven't you moved to Vegas?
If I need something in Vegas I can get it and I am in love with hiking, mountains, clean air, 4 seasons, family and friends. I keep plenty outs and run through some but I believe in quality of life over everything else.. well except on Saturdays for 15 weeks a year:)

Hope you are well, Heim.

Always enjoy your posts.
 
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#48
Heritage quickest to boot ever
5dimes take zero sharp action strictly a mirror at this point. No originators in that shop.
Pinny 2 cents better and slow to pay and won't take a real bet anymore. 100$ on some college totals last yr. Love them but it's clear they are not risk adverse as once were.
Exactly the reasons why I made my earlier posts in this thread.
 
#49
Today at 1130 Pacific time bm opened-110 for Tuesday on 13 totals limits were 2k theyll increase to 3k by 6pm. Can you please tell me what 5dimes had for openers.. they wait and copy cris and at 7pm go to reduced for 500$ max limits and if you are showing good clv with profites they limit first and then boot you.
Can you tell me what pinnacle does for openers and for how much? I use them daily as well. Not in same ballpark. Can you tell me how many pinny agents will let you go over a nickel on overnights in MLB? If you can find one.. send him tips better than anyone else in life monthly is my advice.
Bookmaker absolutely sucks for Golf,Tennis,UFC
Wow I think I have seen a lot of complaints in my day surrounding different areas of gaming but a bookmaker complaint thread is pretty insane imo. I mean they only open every sport for what most books are limits at tip. Rail you can grab 10k on golf h2h and tennis night before.

I was at a couple of tables with a few legends of gambling (I am not in their class) this past week in Vegas you know what I never heard? The rake is too high, prices are too high, I can't find enough value.

You know what I did hear alot of?
I keep losing outs, I cant get enough down, I got stiffed by this one and that one, I then had to drive this many miles or pay this runner to find this number, I had this problem with this book, they kept changing the number on me or froze me out..

You now know how you avoid these problems? Well I deal with cris (BM) as much as possible and find as many reliable outs to shop at elsewhere. Getting paid instantaneously basically and never having to worry about getting the boot is pretty amazing. Cris moves and the world follows basically. If you have a problem with them you're probably gonna be pretty miserable everywhere in short time.

Also Rail you live in agent heaven! Find one who will take the same limits per hour and let him make you a deal to keep you interested in the price.. its not rocket science and you know it. I think you could negotiate even super niche (props, live props, little league softball or whatever) spots if you can throw him enough action and or referrals.

BM is pretty aggressive in their initial move and bots are ruining some things for indy guys like myself but other than prices on niche sports it's pretty hard to find a flaw in my humble opinion.

There tennis and golf vig is out of line, and there tennis and golf limits are small. same with ufc. I dont bet MLB except on or against Angels so dont care about mlb. My complaint is not about MLB, its that they dont book other sports well, and that is because they are LAZY about hiring TALENT or they are moochy or both. Actually dont even have to hire talent cut and paste and lower the redickulous vig
 
#52
when Pa goes full blast, Illinois jumps in & NY follows. Legal books will tip the scale. Only calif /.Fla will be left . Still will need offshore to get the best of both worlds in betting. The demographics trend is going to the older guy offshore. Any young people sending $$$ offshore. ???
 
#53
Vegas now way better than Costa Rica
when Pa goes full blast, Illinois jumps in & NY follows. Legal books will tip the scale. Only calif /.Fla will be left . Still will need offshore to get the best of both worlds in betting. The demographics trend is going to the older guy offshore. Any young people sending $$$ offshore. ???
State side wagering SUCKS
 
#60
when Pa goes full blast, Illinois jumps in & NY follows. Legal books will tip the scale. Only calif /.Fla will be left . Still will need offshore to get the best of both worlds in betting. The demographics trend is going to the older guy offshore. Any young people sending $$$ offshore. ???
Most people I know that bet in my area quit offshore to bet at twin river legal sportsbook. Overall, so much easier. And tons of value on square lines

Bruins/blues game 4 was blues +120 at twin river. Everywhere else was around -110-120
 
#61
Wow I think I have seen a lot of complaints in my day surrounding different areas of gaming but a bookmaker complaint thread is pretty insane imo. I mean they only open every sport for what most books are limits at tip. Rail you can grab 10k on golf h2h and tennis night before.

I was at a couple of tables with a few legends of gambling (I am not in their class) this past week in Vegas you know what I never heard? The rake is too high, prices are too high, I can't find enough value.

You know what I did hear alot of?
I keep losing outs, I cant get enough down, I got stiffed by this one and that one, I then had to drive this many miles or pay this runner to find this number, I had this problem with this book, they kept changing the number on me or froze me out..

You now know how you avoid these problems? Well I deal with cris (BM) as much as possible and find as many reliable outs to shop at elsewhere. Getting paid instantaneously basically and never having to worry about getting the boot is pretty amazing. Cris moves and the world follows basically. If you have a problem with them you're probably gonna be pretty miserable everywhere in short time.

Also Rail you live in agent heaven! Find one who will take the same limits per hour and let him make you a deal to keep you interested in the price.. its not rocket science and you know it. I think you could negotiate even super niche (props, live props, little league softball or whatever) spots if you can throw him enough action and or referrals.

BM is pretty aggressive in their initial move and bots are ruining some things for indy guys like myself but other than prices on niche sports it's pretty hard to find a flaw in my humble opinion.
Tennis, golf and UFC are NOT "niche" sports. Tennis is bigger than MLB internationally, UFC is bigger than you think, too.
 

FairWarning

Bells Beer Connoisseur
#62
Outside of the majors, tennis and golf are niche sports. Few care about 2nd round action at Indian Wells and the amount of recreational money bet on it reflects that.
 
#66
Most people I know that bet in my area quit offshore to bet at twin river legal sportsbook. Overall, so much easier. And tons of value on square lines

Bruins/blues game 4 was blues +120 at twin river. Everywhere else was around -110-120

yes , I kind of thought that. The serious bettor will still play offshore also getting the best of both worlds since the tip later on the games & to bet openers @ BOL & cris
 

FairWarning

Bells Beer Connoisseur
#67
who bets mlb besides American Jews and Italians? nobody thats who. who bets tennis? the whole world does.
Go bet soccer instead, it’s the world sport.

Actually I don’t understand what your complaint is. You proclaim yourself the king of small limit events like LL bases, college bases, and hot dog eating. How many Asians care about kosher hot dogs?
 
#68
Go bet soccer instead, it’s the world sport.

Actually I don’t understand what your complaint is. You proclaim yourself the king of small limit events like LL bases, college bases, and hot dog eating. How many Asians care about kosher hot dogs?
Complaint is dont have 40 cent lines on ufc, tennis and golf, they are not niche sports.
 
#71
yes , I kind of thought that. The serious bettor will still play offshore also getting the best of both worlds since the tip later on the games & to bet openers @ BOL & cris
Rhode Island learned from the complete ass kicking they took from the pats super bowl run.

From November-February, they weren’t adjusting the pats money and they just got killed: lost more than 2 million on the super bowl

Nice to see them smarten up and give us good #s to bet against the local teams. I get 20c-30c better on almost every Red Sox and bruins game.

I’m sure they will take a decent loss tonight if the bruins win the super bowl... lots of futures money.. but at least they learned, and the people betting the local teams are getting terrible #s
 
#72
Tennis is bet heavily live in NJ.. you might want to look at the #s
Tennis is a niche sport in the US. I don’t care how heavily it’s bet live in New Jersey. That’s irrelevant.

What’s relevant is the number of kids participating in the sport vs other sports. And TV ratings. Not just in one state, but on the whole.
 
#73
Tennis is a niche sport in the US. I don’t care how heavily it’s bet live in New Jersey. That’s irrelevant.

What’s relevant is the number of kids participating in the sport vs other sports. And TV ratings. Not just in one state, but on the whole.
So you don’t care that people bet the sport heavily cause not many people play it? Those are two completely different things.

Tennis is a better sport to bet than almost all other sports... constant action.. you can literally bet point to point... plenty of big faves for the parlay player and plenty of big dogs for the dog player—- plus early rounds have tons of matches everyday.
 
#74
So you don’t care that people bet the sport heavily cause not many people play it? Those are two completely different things.
Well, no I don’t care. But me caring has nothing to do with the fact that tennis is a niche sport in the US. Everything else you are spewing is irrelevant to that fact.
 
#75
So it’s irrelevant that tennis is one of the most bet sports in the country... even though we are talking about betting sports in the country? Did I get that right?
 
#76
Can you post proof that the handle on tennis wagers in Vegas is anywhere close to NFL football, NCAA football, NBA, NCAA basketball, or MLB?

I would imagine you are going to have a tough time with that. Good luck.
 
#77
I don't doubt that a certain demographic, and in certain parts of the country like to bet tennis. But it's not anywhere close to the big 3.

And that's exactly why it's called a niche sport. Basically the definition of.
 
#79
And Cris is a credit shop, i get it, and if your an agent who do you want playing with you? Rich White guys, which are the only people an agent can trust. And every White Republican over 40 plays and or bets on golf. You dont want minorities or milenials playing with you because they are the ones that stiff
 
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