C-19 excess deaths

#1
"The chart below uses data from EuroMOMO, a network of epidemiologists who collect weekly reports on deaths from all causes in 24 European countries, covering 350m people. These figures show that, compared with a historical baseline of 2009-19, Europe has suffered some deadly flu seasons since 2016—but that the death toll this year from covid-19 is far greater. Overall, the number of excess deaths across the continent since March is about 170,000. Though most of those victims have been older than 65, the number of deaths among Europeans aged 45-64 was 40% higher than usual in early April."

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/07/15/tracking-covid-19-excess-deaths-across-countries
 
#2
"The chart below uses data from EuroMOMO, a network of epidemiologists who collect weekly reports on deaths from all causes in 24 European countries, covering 350m people. These figures show that, compared with a historical baseline of 2009-19, Europe has suffered some deadly flu seasons since 2016—but that the death toll this year from covid-19 is far greater. Overall, the number of excess deaths across the continent since March is about 170,000. Though most of those victims have been older than 65, the number of deaths among Europeans aged 45-64 was 40% higher than usual in early April."

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/07/15/tracking-covid-19-excess-deaths-across-countries
Ok, and you conclude what? that we have a new virus circulating that's killing people? DUH.

What was the adjustment on that total for how many might be due to the virus and how many to the shutdowns and it's collateral damage, both physical and emotional?
 
#5
What was the adjustment on that total for how many might be due to the virus and how many to the shutdowns and it's collateral damage, both physical and emotional?
Nobody knows that. But the shutdowns saved many young people from the world's leading cause of death in such:

Because motor vehicle accident deaths are the #1 leading worldwide cause of death in such.

"Motor vehicle crashes are the leading cause of death for U.S. teens."

https://www.google.com/search?q=lead...hrome&ie=UTF-8

"Each year, 1.35 million people are killed on roadways around the world.4

"...Road traffic injuries are estimated to be the eighth leading cause of death globally for all age groups and the leading cause of death for children and young people 5–29 years of age. More people now die in road traffic crashes than from HIV/AIDS.4"

https://www.cdc.gov/injury/features/...nd%20cyclists.
 
#6
What is obviously clear is:

1) serious vehicular accidents & deaths are way way down
2) flu deaths & serious complications have decreased tremendously
3) C-19 ill health & deaths are far less due to the lockdowns
4) likewise probably other communicable diseases (e.g. tuberculosis, HIV) have been greatly reduced by the extreme safety measures in place
5) street crimes have probably been highly reduced.
6) families have been able to spend more time together enjoying each others company while free from the slavery of that 4 letter word "work" that the vast majority hate. Giving more time for quality of life activities like sex & various entertainments.
7) abortions (child murder) are probably down.

http://www.therxforum.com/showthread...1#post13211637
 
#7
What is obviously clear is:

1) serious vehicular accidents & deaths are way way down
2) flu deaths & serious complications have decreased tremendously
3) C-19 ill health & deaths are far less due to the lockdowns
4) likewise probably other communicable diseases (e.g. tuberculosis, HIV) have been greatly reduced by the extreme safety measures in place
5) street crimes have probably been highly reduced.
6) families have been able to spend more time together enjoying each others company while free from the slavery of that 4 letter word "work" that the vast majority hate. Giving more time for quality of life activities like sex & various entertainments.
7) abortions (child murder) are probably down.

http://www.therxforum.com/showthread...1#post13211637
Zero evidence that the shutdowns accomplished anything, I also read that vehicle accidents are up, not down, as less congested roads lead to higher speeds.
 
#9
Zero evidence that the shutdowns accomplished anything, I also read that vehicle accidents are up, not down, as less congested roads lead to higher speeds.
Even if true, the effect of the relatively very few vehicles on the road going one MPH faster on average would be nothing compared to the lives lost by the roads being practically empty of many millions of vehicles for weeks or months. Moreover any increased risk as a result of higher speeds would be mitigated, counterbalanced or nullified by the lesser danger as a result of way fewer vehicles being on the road to endanger those in motion.

"In the average week in San Francisco, California, since the start of 2019, there are typically about 260 calls made to 911 about traffic collisions. For the week of March 17-23, there were just 110. It was the fewest number of traffic collision calls over a seven-day period in over 17 years."

"It’s not just San Francisco. The fire department of the city of Seattle, Washington, classified just 28 calls from March 17-23 as involving a “motor vehicle incident.” This is almost 50% fewer than the typical week since the start of 2019. In Los Angeles, California, there were also about half as many traffic collisions reported to the police from March 15-21 as is normally the case."

"...Researchers have found that recessions lead to decreased mortality (pdf). These declines are mostly a result of fewer motor vehicle collisions and heart attacks. The crash decline is a result of fewer people commuting to work, as we can see in the recent San Francisco 911 data, and researchers believe heart attacks may be less common due to the loss of stress from work."

https://qz.com/1822492/traffic-accidents-are-plummeting-because-of-the-pandemic/
 
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#10
The safety measures practiced this year re C-19 may lead to benefits for many years to come re the flu & other illnesses, both the known & unknown.
 
#11
The safety measures practiced this year re C-19 may lead to benefits for many years to come re the flu & other illnesses, both the known & unknown.
How so considering they haven't worked? keep in mind in places like NY and NJ, they peaked and declined before any mask mandate was implemented.
 
#12
How so considering they haven't worked?
Masks work. They save lives. As does social distancing, hand washing, contact tracing, lockdowns, etc.

These safety measures practiced this year re C-19 may lead to benefits for many years to come re the flu & other illnesses, both the known & unknown. That is, if people keep practicing them.
 
#13
Masks work. They save lives. As does social distancing, hand washing, contact tracing, lockdowns, etc.

These safety measures practiced this year re C-19 may lead to benefits for many years to come re the flu & other illnesses, both the known & unknown. That is, if people keep practicing them.

These things only work if a large majority of the population are not pandemic experts, epidemiologists, medical doctors or health care professionals.

Unfortunately that covers about 87.36% of The US population, who seem to have this Covid19 deal solved exponentially. Such is the US expertise, they have already solved the next several future pandemics.

So there is really no need for masks and the rest of the suggested silliness, the pandemic ended on April 8th, as noted by head expert Dr. Merle In.
 
#14
Masks work. They save lives. As does social distancing, hand washing, contact tracing, lockdowns, etc.

These safety measures practiced this year re C-19 may lead to benefits for many years to come re the flu & other illnesses, both the known & unknown. That is, if people keep practicing them.
Nebraska just announced they are ending all social distancing requirements on Monday(with the exception of lincoln), just like their neighboring states, they are almost completely back to normal.

https://nypost.com/2020/09/11/nebraska-to-end-nearly-all-social-distancing-restrictions/
 

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#15
Masks work. They save lives. As does social distancing, hand washing, contact tracing, lockdowns, etc.

These safety measures practiced this year re C-19 may lead to benefits for many years to come re the flu & other illnesses, both the known & unknown. That is, if people keep practicing them.
Are they really working? It seems like Europe is getting hit hard now. They were using all of these tricks.
 
#18
Are they really working? It seems like Europe is getting hit hard now. They were using all of these tricks.
Yes, and the experts know it because of the science. It's just common sense, actually. Without safety measures millions would be dead already.

Many places are seeing an increase in infections due to relaxed restrictions, increased testing, irresponsibility, etc.

Thanks largely to all the misinformation on social media.
 
#20
Where has anyone (besides you) ever said that anywhere the total infections have approached 20%.
Huh? Do the math, check the serology tests., NY city is at least 20%, prob 25, , NJ, south FL, south TX, and others are close as well. The current nationwide estimate is at least 15%, 50 million + americans.
 
#22
Huh? Do the math, check the serology tests., NY city is at least 20%, prob 25, , NJ, south FL, south TX, and others are close as well. The current nationwide estimate is at least 15%, 50 million + americans.
377k positives in New York City, pop. 8.75 million.

Yeah that's at least 25% 4.2%.
 
#24
Who made 20% the threshold for "heard" immunity? Maybe in the world's healthiest country? Estimated 60-70% in the USA by the Mayo Clinic.
It's said that up to 50% of people have resistance to covid from exposure to other coronavirus's. They either have no or very mild symptoms.
 
#26
Huh? Do the math, check the serology tests., NY city is at least 20%, prob 25, , NJ, south FL, south TX, and others are close as well. The current nationwide estimate is at least 15%, 50 million + americans.
You consider that the virus is dying out in New York City or the USA? Here are charts of the infections there:

https://www.google.com/search?q=new...rome..69i57.9685j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1...hUKEwiWto-C-ufrAhWeITQIHb3GBSIQ4dUDCA0&uact=5

And US deaths:

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1...hUKEwiAmd3c-ufrAhW9FzQIHeCGAK4Q4dUDCA0&uact=5

It's not going well for the USA. Not well at all. Not even close.

""Our numbers continue to reflect the work of New Yorkers, who ultimately flattened the curve," Governor Cuomo said. "For 37 days, our infection rate has remained below one percent, which is incredible when you think back to where we were in the spring. As we head into the fall and flu season ahead, we need everyone to continue to wear masks, socially distance and wash their hands, and above all, stay New York tough."

https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/go...s-states-progress-during-covid-19-pandemic-30
 
#27
It's said that up to 50% of people have resistance to covid from exposure to other coronavirus's. They either have no or very mild symptoms.
That's a possibility or theory that's being studied. It's been said that most people don't get sick when infected with C-19, for whatever reasons. The old & weak are at high risk. The young & healthy are at low risk. But just having some "resistance to covid" does not necessarily mean such people cannot be infected or pass on the infection to the vulnerable. So it may not help much as far as "herd immunity" is concerned.

"If old exposures to cold viruses really are leading to milder cases of Covid-19, however, this bodes well for the development of a vaccine – since it’s proof that lingering T cells can provide significant protection, even years after they were made."

"But even if this isn’t what’s happening, the involvement of T cells could still be beneficial – and the more we understand what’s going on, the better."

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200716-the-people-with-hidden-protection-from-covid-19
 
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