Casino Craps Strategies

Herbie

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#41
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Mold...its a NEGATIVE expectation game no matter what you do..stay away from any and all negative expectation games...


if you have to play, for the experience do the following only.

find the lowest min table..

play the min pass line wager..

after a point put full odds behind the line on that wager

then nothing else..just sit, get a bunch of free drinks, get 2 at a time!, flirt with any ladies playing, high five people you dont know and be done in about an hour....thats it...

there is no such think as a cold or a hot table..the dice have no memory if this or that number was just rolled...there are NO hot rollers and no cold rollers that you can define before the roll...so dont buy any of that hype or stuff in books...

just do what I said and then get back to games like sports where you can find some positive expectation overlays at times!

dont spend any cash at a craps table unless you can book the bets!
Would you do this at somewhere that say had a $5 minimum but offered 100x full odds on craps?

Taking full odds doesn't change the EV of the game... If your goal is to lose as little possible and be social for x length of time (which seems to imply you want to avoid -EV things which should include EV neutral as well) you still going to lose the same amount long term by just playing the minimum on the pass line / no pass line so you might as well avoid the variance and not take odds on your bets...

If you plan to play till you hit some sort of stop loss or want to gamble it up then increasing your variance by taking full odds makes sense as you going to increase your shot at a bigger score (at the expense of a possible larger loss)...
 
#42
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i somehow found a dice setting technique and somehow it worked just for the high number

the idea is to throw the dice and make sure they rotate but dont go bounce of the wall in all direction just spin them 360 and just land them the way they were span and thats what i did

after playing poker i went downstairs to the casino lobby to play some craps after my
friend was begging to go home so i said its my turn to shoot then we will go

i made 5 points and 5 winners before crapping out threw for about 30 numbers

and what was most surprising is i made the come out rule Point 10 3 times

and i set my dice the way i needed hopefully to make that 10 and i did it right away within a few throws

my 1st point was 10 i shot few numbers made a 10

my 2nd point was a 6 and won that after few throws

my 3rd point was a 10 again and this time i had hard 10 on it and i used my technique

and i threw the dice the way i learned in the book and it worked a hard 10 came out just

few roles into the point

my 4th point again came out a 10 because i was shooting for yo 11 or 12 craps so i was getting the 10 so many times

and yet again i put my money on hard 10 and i threw the next 2-3 times and yet again

i threw for hard 10 again i was amazed that never happened to me before

and my next one was 5 and won it too

after making my next point i got the dice i setted them and i wiped my hand my fingers of my shirt because i wanted to grip the dice better and this guy next to me or no why did u do that u just jinxed ur self and i am like fk u might be right i should have never done that

and next thing fking a god damn 7 on the next roll and the throw was fked up too was not the way it suposed to be and thats the way it ended i loved the action i wish i could have stayed longer and threw again and see what would have happened

i am going there again to see how it will work out but this time i have to remember all the dice setting numbers
 
#46
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Moldy, you're wasting your time doing this live. You should practice your craps throw on-line by using a mouse.
Or maybe by practicing throwing them into an empty dresser drawer in you Vegas hotel room.

HELLO! You can't practice throwing dice. Do you really think you can control two pieces of plastic hitting a rubberized egg carton wall landing on wood covered by felt?

The dice control era has come and gone. All of the money from that scam has been made.

The less you know about craps bets the better. I know it's a real ego trip to know the payouts (but not the vig) of every bet on the table and start throwing in chips to the center of the table while the dealers chase them down and you're shouting "Horn High 12!"

If any gambling game is the poster child for "Keep It Simple Stupid," it is craps.

Your best chances are either Pass Line and taking odds or Don't Pass Line and laying odds. Your chances of winning are about the same with either and the math (the indomitable theoretical math) is still against you. It is a terribly boring way to play a really social, fun game, and it guarantees nothing, other than you start with a slight disadvantage.

Throw in the greed, alcohol, women, music, ego, fatigue, and Vegas , and the casinos kinda have your number.

Craps is a great way to make vacation memories, not money.
 
#48
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Barney Vinson keeps saying to minimize the house advantage, but he doesn't tell you the hardways are sucker bets and almost encourages you to play them. What a dope!
 
#49
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Typical gambling instructional video where the hot, clueless, inquisitive bimbo approaches the older sage of the craps table.

Ol' Barney was doing fine until the 10 minute mark or so where he starts claiming that pass line + taking will make more than don't pass + laying over the long run. No it won't; it's the same.

And over the long run? People viewing this tape may have three days in Las Vegas a year.

THERE IS NO LONG RUN.

Barry should have stopped there.

But then he says, "But let's get some more numbers coming." Downfall time. I've already gone into this before.

At the 20 minute mark, Barry is telling us the story of the guy who put a dime on all the hardways which hit 4 times in a row. Yes, that can happen. If it never happened, then the rolls wouldn't truly be random. I'm guessing it probably won't happen to you when you play craps. Just a feeling.

We all have our dice stories "about the time when." But, obviously, Barry's hardway anecdote is designed to whet the greedy appetite of the novice gambler.

I had to turn the video off at this point. I couldn't take anymore. I think I have 20 minutes more to go when I feel up to it.
 
#50
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He says to play a maximum of 3 pass/come numbers because "there are so many ways to make the 7." It makes no difference whether you play one number or six. The house advantage is the same no matter how many numbers you play on the pass/come.

He also doesn't say to keep your odds working on the comeout. I don't understand why players allow this. It's the best bet in the house! Why turn them off? Is the probability of rolling a 7 any different on the comeout?
 
#51
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I recall watching a show on the History Channel about a year ago titled "Breaking Vegas" or something along those lines. It featured two guys who actually went to the lengths of building a craps table in one of their garages and practicing setting the dice and throwing the same way each throw. These guys perfected the angle of when to release the dice, how to position in the dice in their hand, and how hard to throw off the wall. They went something like 60 or 70 throws before sevening out.

It is possible, but highly improbable. You need incredible patience, skill, and practice. Basically, you need your own craps table like these guys built and even then it's certainly no guarantee you'll ever learn the proper form or be able to duplicate it.
That guy is Schloerete (sp?), and regularly runs how-to seminars around the country. I have a friend that works the seminars for him. I know that my friend (Dr. Dice on their website) actually believes in the program.

This may come as a shock, but I am not a believer in dice control. There is just too much variance between tables at the different casinos, and whenever a guy who appears to be trying to "control" the dice starts having a nice run (doesn't happen often in my experience), you can count on the pit boss or dealer yelling at him to hit the rail or calling a no-roll enough to un-nerve the shooter.

Better idea: dream on it.
 
#52
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i am going to the casino tomorow and i am going to try my new roll technique

gona set my dice with the numbers that i am trying to hit if that does not work

ill try and set the dice the way i usually do and lets see how that works

i am feeling lucky tomorow!
 
#53
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:LMAO...if it works, they will tell you it's to small a sample, and if it fails, they will tell you so....just have some fun and dont get barreled-in............
 
#57
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vegas are stupid u are not allowed to slide the dice thats obviosuly illegal u can easy make your number and what do pit bosses do fking idiots ? they always look at the dice thats thier job
and first of all the rule is

make your bets first before the dice are out, when the dice is being delivered no more bets if people keep doing that then tell him nicely not to do that unless hes trying to get ur attention by distracting you and thats when u throw him out and thats it

thats not what i do lol i just throw the dice thats what u sopposed to do throw them
 
#58
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and yet another session with a good throw

first of all to get in the game i had to throw the dice and feel the dice and feel the table first
it was not good at the beggining as i was not hitting my numbers but i was just getting warmed up and just had to make sure i was throwing the dice, and gripping them properly after some shots that made me 7 out 2 times i found my touch and did an awsome run

the overall performance was amazing the roll that i had was really unbelievable
it took about 45 mins to an hour almost and the worst part the table was empty just me and 2 guys in there lol

i won 8 points 5 of them were 10s thats because i position the dice to get high numbers 9 10 11 12 and more then 50% i get those numbers

i won point 5, 6, 8 and 5 points were 10's, i was in such a rhythm where i just knew how, and where i had to throw my dice, a couple of them have been lucky bounces and got me some nice winners, i dont remember why i crapped out but these fuking dealers they love to slow the pace down and cool the player IMO it works all the time whenver someone is running hot they always do stuff to slow the game down i dont know if thats just lucky or not but it works

i won about 900$ on that roll alone the funny thing the guy who was down 9000$ went in to get something to eat right before i started to roll and came back just before i lost but i made 2 numbers and made him some money if he would have stayed in he would have made at least 15K because i am 15$ bettor and he was betting at least 100$ to 300$ a number

i hate when the craps table are full , because when i roll i do good but then by the time i get my turn back it can take half to an hour and i lose my money back people jsut crap out really quick or win a point and lose

overall i won 300$ for the night after i lose some money on roullete and blackjack 2 games that i should only play for fun with couple hundred and see if i can win some lucky hands and get out quick,

one guy at the BJ table was running hot probably had at least 5K and then got greedy and started betting 500$ instead of 50, 100$ and lost most of that just completely stupid

i am heading probably on friday again
 
#60
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Moldy, they got you addicted to the game.....:btj:
soon i will probably get kicked from the casino for winning to much :LMAO

all i need right now is to buy a craps table in my house and practice

this my future thing that i want is craps table

after seeing how long i was throwing the dice and how much i won

i am 100% sure the craps can be beaten it would be even better if i had craps table

and practiced my controls and my numbers

why do you think Dominator and the other partner got kicked out of casino and are not allowed
because they can beat the game they have won millions playing this game because they know how to beat the game

so i am going to become one of them in the future thats something that i want to acomplish :houra
 
#61
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soon i will probably get kicked from the casino for winning to much :LMAO

all i need right now is to buy a craps table in my house and practice

this my future thing that i want is craps table

after seeing how long i was throwing the dice and how much i won

i am 100% sure the craps can be beaten it would be even better if i had craps table

and practiced my controls and my numbers

why do you think Dominator and the other partner got kicked out of casino and are not allowed
because they can beat the game they have won millions playing this game because they know how to beat the game

so i am going to become one of them in the future thats something that i want to acomplish :houra

:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO
 
#62
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soon i will probably get kicked from the casino for winning to much :LMAO

all i need right now is to buy a craps table in my house and practice

this my future thing that i want is craps table

after seeing how long i was throwing the dice and how much i won

i am 100% sure the craps can be beaten it would be even better if i had craps table

and practiced my controls and my numbers

why do you think Dominator and the other partner got kicked out of casino and are not allowed
because they can beat the game they have won millions playing this game because they know how to beat the game

so i am going to become one of them in the future thats something that i want to acomplish :houra
Yeah, happens all the time with all these crap sharps that are going around... :shoot:
 
#67
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I would like to know how many random rolls it takes to approach the theoretical loss to within, say, 1% consistently. Is it 100 rolls? 1,000? 1,000,000?
 
#69
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I would like to know how many random rolls it takes to approach the theoretical loss to within, say, 1% consistently. Is it 100 rolls? 1,000? 1,000,000?
This is actually a good question. But first define rolls. I grew up in craps when a roll was one complete sequence in which the shooter either wins or loses - this can be on a come-out or a point decision, which is the way I still define it. But nowadays I see guys calling every throw of the dice a "roll."
 
#70
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When I will be making huge profits u guys will want to do this too or better will want to. See me shoot and win too I can't wait to have a full table and get on a huge roll n win a lot of points
 
#71
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When I will be making huge profits u guys will want to do this too or better will want to. See me shoot and win too I can't wait to have a full table and get on a huge roll n win a lot of points
Moldy, if you are ever in Vegas, let me know. I want to watch you execute your dice throwing skills. You have just been lucky so far......
 
#72
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This is actually a good question. But first define rolls. I grew up in craps when a roll was one complete sequence in which the shooter either wins or loses - this can be on a come-out or a point decision, which is the way I still define it. But nowadays I see guys calling every throw of the dice a "roll."
I think you can do it either way since each roll is independent. You can say that the "long term" is 1,000,000 total rolls or 200,000 rolls where money is exchanged (or whatever the numbers may be). I'd be VERY interested in the math if anyone cares to post the equations. Probability and statistics are not my strengths.
 
#73
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all i need is to have a set where i throw my dice and with an outcome of more numbers 4-10 then 7s

that will be the huge profit i will be waiting for! if i can find my set and just practice the throw

using that set i will be able to hit those numbers more often then 7s and i will have profit

but thats if the dice dont go bouncing crazy all over the table, they have to be thrown with the same velocity and have a nice bounce where they lose thier power and just stop thats my main goal! if i can achieve just a small action of that i can get better and i will be able to have some nice profits
 
#74
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all i need is to have a set where i throw my dice and with an outcome of more numbers 4-10 then 7s

that will be the huge profit i will be waiting for! if i can find my set and just practice the throw

using that set i will be able to hit those numbers more often then 7s and i will have profit

but thats if the dice dont go bouncing crazy all over the table, they have to be thrown with the same velocity and have a nice bounce where they lose thier power and just stop thats my main goal! if i can achieve just a small action of that i can get better and i will be able to have some nice profits
Attention Las Vegas casinos!!

Send a plane and a limo for this guy.
 
#77
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i just bought DVD Video for dice control shooting 300$ from the master himself

hopefully i can get really good points from the video

all i need now is to buy the practice table
 
#78
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i just bought DVD Video for dice control shooting 300$ from the master himself

hopefully i can get really good points from the video

all i need now is to buy the practice table
Moldy,

With their skills, do you ever wonder why the "masters of dice control" need to sell $300 videos to marks?


Simple. They know they can make more money selling their advice than taking it.
 
#79
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whether it helps me or not i dont know

they are selling it for a reason and i will let you know if its worth the money or not

a lot of people are interested in seeing what these guys have to give they are not allowed to play in the casino i am not sure if that is true or not but if its true people will damn sure buy these videos and if they are not going to make money playing craps they will make money selling these videos

i should receieve the Videos next week and will give you a heads up what i saw
now all i need is to buy a practice table nothing wrong with believing in something
that you want to happen or something that you think can happen this is my passion
and i am going for it whether it will fail or not i will keep going
 
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#80
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Moldy,

I have videos from the SECRET masters of craps!!!!! Please paypal me $2500 and I will pass them along to you. You have to promise not to show them to ANYONE!!! Limited time offer as well. I will delete this post in 10 minutes.
 
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