Dale Romans' thoughts on "no" Lasix

[blueline]

He said getting rid of Lasix could have a detrimental effect on the gambling product.

“I don’t know how anybody bets on a stakes race where a bunch of horses have been running on Lasix, and all of the sudden you’ve got to take them off,” Romans said. “You don’t know who bleeds, who doesn’t and what their patterns are. I don't know why anybody would bet it.”

Romans also expressed his desire for more consistent rules.

“If you’re going to take it away, take it all away, and don’t even allow it on the backside,” he said. “But you can train on it all you want, and you can use it up until the time they’re going to be in a major race when they need it the most, when they’re going to run their hardest.”

 

[John Kelly]

If only I knew which horses were adding Lasix for the first time in the early 1980's when the wagering public was not privy to that information.

You knew something was up when a speed horse was listed at 8/1 on the morning line and closed at odds of 3/1.

A horse that would normally spit the bit at the head of the stretch kept going...and going...and going all the way to the wire and the winner's circle.

Ahhh, so that's the effect of Lasix.

 

[blueline]

lasix was masking all sorts of other drugs back then

 

[Heim]

The horse racing industry has always been slow with info to the betting public.

I remember in the late 90s a betting friend was pushing for the tracks to
indicate in the program if a horse was recently gelded.

Crickets.

 

[John Kelly]

lasix was masking all sorts of other drugs back then

Good point.

Lasix as a masking agent.

And remember "milkshaking."

That was another controversy.

And how about the Florida-based trainer (Frank Passero) who was using cayenne pepper on a horse's private parts to enhance performance.

 

[John Kelly]

The horse racing industry has always been slow with info to the betting public.

I remember in the late 90s a betting friend was pushing for the tracks to
indicate in the program if a horse was recently gelded.

Crickets.

The ultimate equipment change.

 

[blueline]

reported 1st time gelding last 365 days

11% 23% 34%

0.63 0.66 0.68

 

[blueline]

the first barn I was with every horse went on lasix.....vet drew blood and squirted it around horses nose ....show to state vet.... get on the lasix list

 

[John Kelly]

reported 1st time gelding last 365 days

11% 23% 34%

0.63 0.66 0.68

Yuk!

A losing angle is nearly as good as a winning angle.

 

[Neveragain]

While lasix was intended to be prescribed for horses bleeding in the lungs while under heavy exertion,
it has also been widely used as a diuretic making horses lighter and faster.Trainers take every edge available. (See Jason Servis).
In race tracks that allow lasix, most horses are using as a competitive equalizer.

 

[blueline]

1st time reported gelding

with a "super trainer" 28% 43% 61% 1.03 0.80 0.90
w/out super trainer 10% 22% 33% 0.61 0.65 0.67

 

[blueline]

looking forward to seeing some matchups in the BC 2yo turf races.....some interesting euros

 

[trytrytry]

good to see you blueline posting those horse racing insights. lets get that best thread bridge jumpers going again!

 

[John Kelly]

I think it was Andy Beyer who coined the term "super trainer."

It was a way to accuse trainers with otherworldly win percentages of wrongdoing.

The cheating on the backstretch not only stole money from unsuspecting horseplayers but it also made Beyer Speed Figures look bad.

 

[blueline]

Beyer numbers make Beyer numbers look bad

 

[blueline]

think Im going to bet Oviatt Class in the juvenile

 

[John Kelly]

Beyer numbers make Beyer numbers look bad

HAHAHA.

I need to remember that one.