Do only true degenerates pay for a tout service?

#1
I always wondered the type that pays for this shit. I can't pick my own ass, but I sure as shit not paying for someone else to give me losers
 

benny0420

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#5
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West Coast Sports called yesterday and gave me the first free play "AKRON -8.5" It'll be the biggest winner on the CBB board tonight he said. Of course I opened my big mouth and told him I'd put 2 dollars on it and sure enough. Like a 40 point blowout. I cant wait to here from him today. LOL2348ji23e

I will get them and post their plays in here just for fun. Hes gunna want a grip because of that win.
 

benny0420

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#6
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Note to self.....................

Keep your mouth shut when they call.2348ji23e
 
#8
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I think there's a life cycle of gamblers who do this: The type who would subscribe to a tout service are new gamblers. The buyers are the guys who have already lost a few hundred (or a few thousand) dollars and realize they suck, but buy into the tout's sales pitch and believe they can still make money. It's an appeal to authority. After they lose a few hundred or a few thousand more dollars by following the tout they learn another lesson, which is that they've been scammed. At that point the gamblers who continue to bet on sports return to picking for themselves. Consider it a learning curve for many.
 

benny0420

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#9
Re: Do only true degenerates pay for a tout service?

I think there's a life cycle of gamblers who do this: The type who would subscribe to a tout service are new gamblers. The buyers are the guys who have already lost a few hundred (or a few thousand) dollars and realize they suck, but buy into the tout's sales pitch and believe they can still make money. It's an appeal to authority. After they lose a few hundred or a few thousand more dollars by following the tout they learn another lesson, which is that they've been scammed. At that point the gamblers who continue to bet on sports return to picking for themselves. Consider it a learning curve for many.
So we gunna fade West Coast sports?
 

trytrytry

All I do is trytrytry
#11
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if you can get on a tout that gives a few plays a year where you know the line will move after the info it could be worth it to get a middle or scalp set up..northcoast phil Steele 6 years ago on his POY were like that... you are basically getting paid inof on what will be a significant line move as early as possible...

thats the only reason I can think of to buy any pick service...
 
#12
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I would think that if a tout was really that good, we would hear about him/her on these boards and people would be willing to pay.
 

benny0420

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#13
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you wanna fade my baseball plays Benny? :+clueless

NO WAY Jman! You know how yer baseball and I get along. I am getting anxious.

You heard of these guys West Coast Sports? The guy that called me had NY accent. I thought it was scandalist. But he did pick the biggest winner on the board.
 
#15
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NO WAY Jman! You know how yer baseball and I get along. I am getting anxious.

You heard of these guys West Coast Sports? The guy that called me had NY accent. I thought it was scandalist. But he did pick the biggest winner on the board.
could be anyone, lots of NY touts, maybe it was Stu Feiner himself lol:houra
 

Hennessey

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#17
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I think there's a life cycle of gamblers who do this: The type who would subscribe to a tout service are new gamblers. The buyers are the guys who have already lost a few hundred (or a few thousand) dollars and realize they suck, but buy into the tout's sales pitch and believe they can still make money. It's an appeal to authority. After they lose a few hundred or a few thousand more dollars by following the tout they learn another lesson, which is that they've been scammed. At that point the gamblers who continue to bet on sports return to picking for themselves. Consider it a learning curve for many.
Wow dude! You nailed me. I never had to pay for my pick's however...
 
#19
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To be honest - and I don't know if I can say this - but you can find almost all service plays for free online.
 
#20
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I personally don't understand all the hate for touts.

As someone I think here put it perfectly, it's a service, just like plumbing or an electrician. Touts are simply selling a service that they feel they do better than most. Some touts I know of are very good and are worth the money. Some I know of are terrible and lose money overall in most sports.

I have no clue about prices for touts so I'll just throw out a number. Say they charge what, $1000 per season or so? At that number lets say you bet $100 per game. You only need to cash in 10 units off the persons picks to get your money back and then it's all profit. If the tout is actually good over 10 units really shouldn't be a problem at all and there will be times they make over 100+ units giving you a lot of extra profit for really doing nothing.

Of coarse there are the liars and scams that will fake records or just put them in a way where it's deceiving, but if you honestly know a good tout that you think is reliable with his picks I don't see the problem in paying for his picks if you do not feel confident in your ability to pick winners yourself.

Just my opinion on the topic.
 

trytrytry

All I do is trytrytry
#21
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To be honest - and I don't know if I can say this - but you can find almost all service plays for free online.
truebut not soon enough on key plays by a few seelct touts before the line moves..you may get that info if you signed up for it as fast as possible..
 
#23
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To be honest - and I don't know if I can say this - but you can find almost all service plays for free online.
I think this is true for the most part, and this is something that I personally have a problem with. Those guys are trying to run a service, and the same people that claim their profession is a bunch of "scammers" are scamming them by giving away their product for free when they have no right to do so.

My buddy used to be a tout and there was one guy that he found out was getting paid a small amount to give away the picks after he got them from my buddy so others didn't have to pay. After my buddy heard this he of coarse got pissed and for a little while started giving away bad picks purposely and would tell them they were his biggest plays ever just to have them lose. Not the approach I would have taken to the situation because in turn he loses credibility with the people, but at least it was a way to teach the guys a lesson.

It is no different than selling bootleg movies to me. You're paying for the product someone else is selling than turning around and selling it for your own costing them money.
 

Hennessey

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#24
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I personally don't understand all the hate for touts.

As someone I think here put it perfectly, it's a service, just like plumbing or an electrician. Touts are simply selling a service that they feel they do better than most. Some touts I know of are very good and are worth the money. Some I know of are terrible and lose money overall in most sports.

I have no clue about prices for touts so I'll just throw out a number. Say they charge what, $1000 per season or so? At that number lets say you bet $100 per game. You only need to cash in 10 units off the persons picks to get your money back and then it's all profit. If the tout is actually good over 10 units really shouldn't be a problem at all and there will be times they make over 100+ units giving you a lot of extra profit for really doing nothing..
That was my thinking going into it. The results aren't what'd i like but it's a learning experience.
 
#25
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I disagree. I would pay for picks if I knew the guy was a winner. Honestly, who wouldn't? That wouldn't be considered gambling at that point, that would be considered investing. As a matter of fact, that's exactly what sportsbook do when there is a "good pay service" - they pay for his picks to get them and adjust the line. See: Dr. Bob.

But that's the problem - whether it is a tout handicapper or a tout investment brokerage: they're fucken liars. They tell you everything you want to hear and then when your investment regresses, they have nothing but excuses.

The problem is, there is no honesty in that industry (not much honesty in the gambling industry in general, but I digress). Guys will tell you they win a ton when really, they are getting soaked and the only way to find out for yourself is to try it.

I tried Dave Malinsky. You wouldn't believe how solid this guy's info is when he goes on the radio on Sirius. The guy once talked about Air Force's basketball team being trapped in a Denver airport or some shit and Malinsky somehow knew that the kids had to sleep there, even though it wasn't reported in the media until tip-off the next day.

Air Force got smoked and me and my friend thought this guy was a genius. How can I guy who speaks so eloquently, who has access to that type of information, be a losing handicapper? Well he is. We bought his March Madness package and his picks could not have been worse. Afterwards, I kept tracking him online to see whether it was a bad run or a bad stretch in one sport, but he is just not a winning handicapper - straight up.

That brings us back to the original point. It's good marketing, not good handicapping. And that's what bothers me the most.
 
#26
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I personally don't understand all the hate for touts.

As someone I think here put it perfectly, it's a service, just like plumbing or an electrician. Touts are simply selling a service that they feel they do better than most. Some touts I know of are very good and are worth the money. Some I know of are terrible and lose money overall in most sports.

I have no clue about prices for touts so I'll just throw out a number. Say they charge what, $1000 per season or so? At that number lets say you bet $100 per game. You only need to cash in 10 units off the persons picks to get your money back and then it's all profit. If the tout is actually good over 10 units really shouldn't be a problem at all and there will be times they make over 100+ units giving you a lot of extra profit for really doing nothing.

Of coarse there are the liars and scams that will fake records or just put them in a way where it's deceiving, but if you honestly know a good tout that you think is reliable with his picks I don't see the problem in paying for his picks if you do not feel confident in your ability to pick winners yourself.

Just my opinion on the topic.
Regarding the bold text quoted above: Would you like an electrician or plumber, who you have faith in, to do work on your place of residence but who doesn't actually know shit from Shinola? Hey, the electrician burned your house down because of bad wiring, but he felt he did a good job so it's understandable, right?
 
#27
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Regarding the bold text quoted above: Would you like an electrician or plumber, who you have faith in, to do work on your place of residence but who doesn't actually know shit from Shinola? Hey, the electrician burned your house down because of bad wiring, but he felt he did a good job so it's understandable, right?
That's why you would only pay for picks from someone you are confident in though. If you are planning on paying for picks (people say those guys are dumb, but I think they are much smarter than the people that are stubborn and lose money with their own picks rather than winning with someone elses) than you don't just look for a tout service, and pick a name that looks cool. You go for a tout that you know is pretty reliable and will win you money longterm if you stay with them. Another problem people run into when using a tout is they stop following when they go into a cold run, miss winning picks, and then try to start following again after a hot run only to have the run end. To me if you're going the with a tout you pick one you feel is reliable and you follow them the entire year no matter what.
 
#28
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I disagree. I would pay for picks if I knew the guy was a winner. Honestly, who wouldn't? That wouldn't be considered gambling at that point, that would be considered investing. As a matter of fact, that's exactly what sportsbook do when there is a "good pay service" - they pay for his picks to get them and adjust the line. See: Dr. Bob.

But that's the problem - whether it is a tout handicapper or a tout investment brokerage: they're fucken liars. They tell you everything you want to hear and then when your investment regresses, they have nothing but excuses.

The problem is, there is no honesty in that industry (not much honesty in the gambling industry in general, but I digress). Guys will tell you they win a ton when really, they are getting soaked and the only way to find out for yourself is to try it.

I tried Dave Malinsky. You wouldn't believe how solid this guy's info is when he goes on the radio on Sirius. The guy once talked about Air Force's basketball team being trapped in a Denver airport or some shit and Malinsky somehow knew that the kids had to sleep there, even though it wasn't reported in the media until tip-off the next day.

Air Force got smoked and me and my friend thought this guy was a genius. How can I guy who speaks so eloquently, who has access to that type of information, be a losing handicapper? Well he is. We bought his March Madness package and his picks could not have been worse. Afterwards, I kept tracking him online to see whether it was a bad run or a bad stretch in one sport, but he is just not a winning handicapper - straight up.

That brings us back to the original point. It's good marketing, not good handicapping. And that's what bothers me the most.
I agree that that is the only problem with the industry. That problem is in many industries though. Salesmen selling anything will lie, or if not lie just work their way around the truth to sell you the product. I definitely know touts do that a lot. They may be 123-117 on the year, nothing special, but will attract you with a headline like 78% run, or hitting 71% on Big East plays when really those only have small samples and the percentage would go down dramatically with one or two losses. I understand why people have a problem with that, but that is not the entire industry, that is just how the ones that are losing keep getting clients. They are relying on their marketing, not their actual capping to bring in the money.

There are some though that will just give you a fair, documented record in the sport that will let you decide whether they are reliable to pay for or not. That's when a judgment call needs to be made.

I personally will say right now there are probably around 5 guys on this forum that I think could go tout and I would recommend them to friends of mine that were looking for strong picks to follow. Not going to name names as that could upset some people, but I honestly believe that and believe that they would be successful doing so.
 
#29
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I agree that that is the only problem with the industry. That problem is in many industries though. Salesmen selling anything will lie, or if not lie just work their way around the truth to sell you the product. I definitely know touts do that a lot. They may be 123-117 on the year, nothing special, but will attract you with a headline like 78% run, or hitting 71% on Big East plays when really those only have small samples and the percentage would go down dramatically with one or two losses. I understand why people have a problem with that, but that is not the entire industry, that is just how the ones that are losing keep getting clients. They are relying on their marketing, not their actual capping to bring in the money.

There are some though that will just give you a fair, documented record in the sport that will let you decide whether they are reliable to pay for or not. That's when a judgment call needs to be made.

I personally will say right now there are probably around 5 guys on this forum that I think could go tout and I would recommend them to friends of mine that were looking for strong picks to follow. Not going to name names as that could upset some people, but I honestly believe that and believe that they would be successful doing so.
can we get a roster of touts out there that you think will make money for people long term?:pop:
 
#30
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That's why you would only pay for picks from someone you are confident in though. If you are planning on paying for picks (people say those guys are dumb, but I think they are much smarter than the people that are stubborn and lose money with their own picks rather than winning with someone elses) than you don't just look for a tout service, and pick a name that looks cool. You go for a tout that you know is pretty reliable and will win you money longterm if you stay with them. Another problem people run into when using a tout is they stop following when they go into a cold run, miss winning picks, and then try to start following again after a hot run only to have the run end. To me if you're going the with a tout you pick one you feel is reliable and you follow them the entire year no matter what.
Disagree and I find your sympathy for touts as suspicious. No offense, but it why are you so high on touts?
 
#31
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Why does a tout put so much time into marketing and putting up with all the bullshit? Because they are losing gamblers!! Just the type of people I want to pay money too.:+textinb3
 
#34
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Disagree and I find your sympathy for touts as suspicious. No offense, but it why are you so high on touts?
It's not really sympathy, just giving people a different way to see the topic rather than the normal "touts are scum" angle. People that have been burnt by touts, and I'm sure there are quite a few on the forums, are not going to see the topic the same way that I do, I understand that fully. I don't expect them too.

It's not about being high on touts either, I'm just stating my opinion on them. There are some that get by with tricky marketing, yes. I will not argue against that as it is true. My point was just that it is a service just like any other. Many touts are very good gamblers, they aren't all scammers. They offer a service they do better than most. My point was just that it isn't silly to pay for picks when you feel the picks you are getting are reliable and will win you much more money then you spent on them.

I just see a lot of people saying only idiots pay for picks, when I don't think that is true at all. One of my smartest friends pays for picks (not the smartest gambler, just a very smart person). He does so because he has tried winning money on his own and he usually doesn't win much, if at all. So his feelings are why not pay someone who is a lot better at this than me to win me more money than doing it on my own is? I think you can be sharp by paying for picks. It's not intelligence that stops some from paying touts for picks, it's ego.
 
#35
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It's not really sympathy, just giving people a different way to see the topic rather than the normal "touts are scum" angle. People that have been burnt by touts, and I'm sure there are quite a few on the forums, are not going to see the topic the same way that I do, I understand that fully. I don't expect them too.

It's not about being high on touts either, I'm just stating my opinion on them. There are some that get by with tricky marketing, yes. I will not argue against that as it is true. My point was just that it is a service just like any other. Many touts are very good gamblers, they aren't all scammers. They offer a service they do better than most. My point was just that it isn't silly to pay for picks when you feel the picks you are getting are reliable and will win you much more money then you spent on them.

I just see a lot of people saying only idiots pay for picks, when I don't think that is true at all. One of my smartest friends pays for picks (not the smartest gambler, just a very smart person). He does so because he has tried winning money on his own and he usually doesn't win much, if at all. So his feelings are why not pay someone who is a lot better at this than me to win me more money than doing it on my own is? I think you can be sharp by paying for picks. It's not intelligence that stops some from paying touts for picks, it's ego.
It's all about real world results and not about pie in the sky musings. Your posts in this thread seem that you, tripp, don't subscribe to any tout service (but you have a "smart" friend that does) yet you trumpet them as a legit service. Sorry, I don't buy it.
 

benny0420

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#36
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Well West Coast Sports text and I called em back. They want $300 for a weeks worth of plays "Winners" I tried to negotiate and even gave him EOG.com to go check out.

He wanted the cash off debit/credit/or WU.

He will be calling me out becuause I am not calling him back. If I had an extra $300 I would send it to BFC or Greek or 5 Dimes or Matchbook. He is about 11th in line for $300 and he is going to have to wait.
 
#37
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BENNY WHAT ARE YOU A 10 YEAR OLD TELL THE F-CKING GUY HE GETS NOTHING AND HE LIKES IT.HE GAVE YOU A WINNER BUT THE POOR BASTARD THAT HE GAVE THE OTHER SIDE LAST NIGHT LOST.HE CALLS YOU BUT HE WOULDNT HAVE THE BALLS TO CALL THE OTHER GUY.

TELL THE F-CKING GUY IF HE CALLS YOU ONCE MORE YOUR BROTHER IS A COP AND YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE HIM LISTEN TO HIM MAKE A THREAT ON YOU.BELIEVE ME KID HE WONT BOTHER YOU ANYMORE.

DONT GIVE THE GUY 300 DOLLARS NO MATTER WHAT BELIEVE ME KID HE WONT HELP YOU OUT IN THE LONG RUN.I JUST WISH A TOUT WOULD CALL ME I HAD A GUY FROM UPSTATE NEW YORK CALLING ME LAST YEAR AND BOY DID I FIX HIS ARSE.I TOLD HIM TO GIVE ME A CALL AT WORK AND I GAVE HIM MY BUDDY WHO IS A SARGEANT ON THE BOSTON POLICE HIS OFFICE NUMBER.MAN I WISH I COULD HAVE HEARD THAT CONVERSATION ALL I KNOW THE F-CKING GUY STOPPED CALLING ME. :LMAO
 
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joeybagadonuts

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#38
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..says the tout (who hasn't even bet on sports in years).
Exactly. Anyone who uses a tout is a moron. Period. End of discussion. Go sell your scam elsewhere Jstiff.
 
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