Dow Dumps -800 Today.....

#41
And they should take credit, you are buying based on future events. If you have a president who is pro-business, you don’t wait until he takes office to buy.
Can’t ignore the fact the market and economy did better under Obama.

And trump and the R’s aren’t going to be able to avoid owning the #TrumpRecession after trying to take credit for the surging economy they inherited.
 

FairWarning

Bells Beer Connoisseur
#43
Can’t ignore the fact the market and economy did better under Obama.

And trump and the R’s aren’t going to be able to avoid owning the #TrumpRecession after trying to take credit for the surging economy they inherited.
Also can’t ignore the fact that the Dow was 18,500 on Election Day and its roughly 25,800 today. The left can spin those numbers anyway they want.
 
#45
Also can’t ignore the fact that the Dow was 18,500 on Election Day and its roughly 25,800 today. The left can spin those numbers anyway they want.
Did you read the article I linked that showed the market has performed much worse under trump compared to Obama?

And you've always been my favorite here to debate politics FW. We disagree on some things but overall I think we both share some similar philosophies concerning the big picture that goes beyond left/right.
 
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#47
Doesnt really matter if it does, it's all about perception. I just wonder how Trump keeps all these rural folks on board with him if he's closing off the China market to them right now. I have some stocks that track the farming trade and they are not doing well at all. A recession just puts them deeper underwater in the perception game. These people are going to feel like a recession has already started even if consumers in the cities are keeping things barely aflot.
DE
 

winkyduck

TYVM Morgan William!!!
#48
Trump is a failed businessman who put 3 casinos into bankruptcy. So yeah let’s go out and buy a country even though he doesn’t know the first thing about governing.
Actually - he has put more than casinos into BK. I have asked MAGAts to tell me ONE business Der Fuhrer has been successful at - with the exception of name brand licensing (which puzzles me why anyone would pay this loser for the right to put his name on their property!) and so far.............................................NYET!

So once again............................to all of Der Fuhrer's 63M Brain Dead, Brainless, Brainwashed MAGAts.......................................

#TrumpRecession - and almost all of it because of #GOPTaxBillScam
 

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#50
Actually - he has put more than casinos into BK. I have asked MAGAts to tell me ONE business Der Fuhrer has been successful at - with the exception of name brand licensing (which puzzles me why anyone would pay this loser for the right to put his name on their property!) and so far.............................................NYET!

So once again............................to all of Der Fuhrer's 63M Brain Dead, Brainless, Brainwashed MAGAts.......................................

#TrumpRecession - and almost all of it because of #GOPTaxBillScam
Excellent points Winky. He inherited his wealth and pissed it all away multiple times because he's a failed businessman. trump is nothing more than a carnival barking con man.

#TrumpRecession
 

FairWarning

Bells Beer Connoisseur
#52
Did you read the article I linked that showed the market has performed much worse under trump compared to Obama?

And you've always been my favorite here to debate politics FW. We disagree on some things but overall I think we both share some similar philosophies concerning the big picture that goes beyond left/right.
Just got back. I did read the article, but the fact remains that the markets are in motion the day after election day. Will that continue if we have a recession? Good question.
 
#53
Just got back. I did read the article, but the fact remains that the markets are in motion the day after election day. Will that continue if we have a recession? Good question.
Fair enough. The facts also show that the market and economy of Obama outperformed trumps even though the Repubs and trumpkins created a totally false narrative of a failing economy under Obama.
 
#54
Fair enough. The facts also show that the market and economy of Obama outperformed trumps even though the Repubs and trumpkins created a totally false narrative of a failing economy under Obama.
You you're really going to credit Obama and not Trump for the post election market surge? You can do that with a straight face?
 

FairWarning

Bells Beer Connoisseur
#55
Fair enough. The facts also show that the market and economy of Obama outperformed trumps even though the Repubs and trumpkins created a totally false narrative of a failing economy under Obama.
In my business we were flat the last three years, much of it was increased health costs. Yes, Obama did inherit a mess, but he was never getting the market up to 25K. The day after the next election that replaces Trump, that is when 46 should be judged on the market.
 

Valuist

EOG Dedicated
#57
Fair enough. The facts also show that the market and economy of Obama outperformed trumps even though the Repubs and trumpkins created a totally false narrative of a failing economy under Obama.
Yeah, and artificially low interest rates and $10 trillion in QE had nothing to do with that, right?

The only negative to Hillary getting beat is if she won, she would've been blamed for the imminent recession that the Obama administration perpetuated. Of course, any criticism of Obama is immediately considered racism.
 

winkyduck

TYVM Morgan William!!!
#58
Over 20 Democrats currently trying to CON their way into the White House.
.....BINGO! There is the problem. As long as 9,000 wanna be POTUS - NONE OF THEM WILL! Every day they have this many and don't have ONE............is EVERY DAY Dolt 45 is closer to............ugh - I can't say it. And of all the Dems running - Joe Biden is the ONLY ONE that can win. If the Dems think Warren can beat Jackass they will find out the hard way that ain't gonna happen. Warren would lose worse than Hillary.
 
#60
.....BINGO! There is the problem. As long as 9,000 wanna be POTUS - NONE OF THEM WILL! Every day they have this many and don't have ONE............is EVERY DAY Dolt 45 is closer to............ugh - I can't say it. And of all the Dems running - Joe Biden is the ONLY ONE that can win. If the Dems think Warren can beat Jackass they will find out the hard way that ain't gonna happen. Warren would lose worse than Hillary.
Its sad, this is an easy election to win. Just go campaign in all those midwest states that Trump won because they were ignored by the Clinton money machine. Ask voters there how the tariffs are working out for their farmers. The factories are hardly adding jobs even though people falsely think tariffs can create domestic jobs. And then ask them how they feel about another round of tax cuts for the rich. Trump had a decent enough idea, corporate tax rate reductions to get closer to much of the world, but his handlers just couldn't help themselves with another individual tax cut that almost all goes to the wealthy. So while the Trump economy's good, we have a trillion dollar deficit and growing. Talk about voodoo economics.

Ask those people in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania how this is all working out for them. Election for Trump quickly is out of reach if that's all the Dem candidate does. But instead most of the candidates are trying to top themselves on how left they can go with their plans for everything. How about a plan to win an election first?
 

winkyduck

TYVM Morgan William!!!
#61
Its sad, this is an easy election to win. Just go campaign in all those midwest states that Trump won because they were ignored by the Clinton money machine. Ask voters there how the tariffs are working out for their farmers. The factories are hardly adding jobs even though people falsely think tariffs can create domestic jobs. And then ask them how they feel about another round of tax cuts for the rich. Trump had a decent enough idea, corporate tax rate reductions to get closer to much of the world, but his handlers just couldn't help themselves with another individual tax cut that almost all goes to the wealthy. So while the Trump economy's good, we have a trillion dollar deficit and growing. Talk about voodoo economics.

Ask those people in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania how this is all working out for them. Election for Trump quickly is out of reach if that's all the Dem candidate does. But instead most of the candidates are trying to top themselves on how left they can go with their plans for everything. How about a plan to win an election first?
2016 was even easier. We had a GREAT economy meaning it was easier for Hillary to win than Der Fuhrer. Neither candidate was running against an Incumbent. It was by far one of the most winnable elections of all-time - for both parties. If Der Fuhrer had run against Obama in 2012 he would have gotten destroyed. But in all fairness to him - he knew that. He knew 2016 was his only shot to win. If the Dems fuck up 2020 they once again have only themselves to blame. And if the Dems get the WH in 2020 there is a decent shot they will "own" all 3 "houses" and if so - watch how fast all of what Der Fuhrer did gets erased! You think he wanted to eliminate all Obama did? If the Dems get the Senate (and seeing how many GOP seats are up for grabs it is a realistic possibility) and Mitch McTreason wins it will be AWESOME to see that Traitor made IRRELEVANT! He will bitch like mad but all people will say to him is: STFU Turkey neck Foghorn Leghorn. IF the Seante turns Blue and Der Fuhrer wins, if I am the Senate Majority Leader, once RBG retires in 2021, I tell Dolt 45: "I'll make this real simple asshole - the ONLY name I will nominate for a SCOTUS position is Merrick Garland. If you try and nominate ANYONE ELSE we will have 8 SCOTUS judges until at least Jan 3, 2023 and if the Dems keep control of the Senate we will have only 8 SCOTUS judges until your fat, lying, corrupt, pathetic ass is gone. If you don't like it and wanna bitch to the media I have only 3 words to say to you: Mitch Fucking McConnell!"

As bad as Der Fuhrer has been - Mitch McTreason has been even worse.
 
#62
2016 was even easier. We had a GREAT economy meaning it was easier for Hillary to win than Der Fuhrer. Neither candidate was running against an Incumbent. It was by far one of the most winnable elections of all-time - for both parties. If Der Fuhrer had run against Obama in 2012 he would have gotten destroyed. But in all fairness to him - he knew that. He knew 2016 was his only shot to win. If the Dems fuck up 2020 they once again have only themselves to blame. And if the Dems get the WH in 2020 there is a decent shot they will "own" all 3 "houses" and if so - watch how fast all of what Der Fuhrer did gets erased! You think he wanted to eliminate all Obama did? If the Dems get the Senate (and seeing how many GOP seats are up for grabs it is a realistic possibility) and Mitch McTreason wins it will be AWESOME to see that Traitor made IRRELEVANT! He will bitch like mad but all people will say to him is: STFU Turkey neck Foghorn Leghorn. IF the Seante turns Blue and Der Fuhrer wins, if I am the Senate Majority Leader, once RBG retires in 2021, I tell Dolt 45: "I'll make this real simple asshole - the ONLY name I will nominate for a SCOTUS position is Merrick Garland. If you try and nominate ANYONE ELSE we will have 8 SCOTUS judges until at least Jan 3, 2023 and if the Dems keep control of the Senate we will have only 8 SCOTUS judges until your fat, lying, corrupt, pathetic ass is gone. If you don't like it and wanna bitch to the media I have only 3 words to say to you: Mitch Fucking McConnell!"

As bad as Der Fuhrer has been - Mitch McTreason has been even worse.
Wow, Winky, you are filled with hate, consumed by it, you really need to let it go, it's not healthy.
 
#63
Wow, Winky, you are filled with hate, consumed by it, you really need to let it go, it's not healthy.
Your cult leader just publicly made fun of one his supporters weight during a rally.

Pot meet kettle

trump is always so desperately transparent with his projection. Every time he makes fun of someone else or accuses somebody of something he’s guilty of that himself.
 
#64
.....BINGO! There is the problem. As long as 9,000 wanna be POTUS - NONE OF THEM WILL! Every day they have this many and don't have ONE............is EVERY DAY Dolt 45 is closer to............ugh - I can't say it. And of all the Dems running - Joe Biden is the ONLY ONE that can win. If the Dems think Warren can beat Jackass they will find out the hard way that ain't gonna happen. Warren would lose worse than Hillary.
That's where we severely disagree Winky. Don't get fooled by current polls that are all about name recognition. Biden is one of the few that can actually lose to the idiot. Sadly, Biden is a shell of what he used to be,(I used to be a big fan of him) and would get utterly crushed and destroyed by the Idiot in any debates, and will lose any chance in the election. THe D's should have learned their lesson by anointing Hillary in 2016. Anointing Biden will be just as bad, or worse. What the D's need is someone who will EXCITE their base. That ain't Biden anymore. His time has passed. It will be hard for the D's to lose to the Idiot, who is basically capped at 40-45% max. But they will manage to if Biden is the candidate. I'll vote for him, of course, but he will not excite the base, and too many will stay home, like with Hillary.
 
#65
Your cult leader just publicly made fun of one his supporters weight during a rally.

Pot meet kettle

trump is always so desperately transparent with his projection. Every time he makes fun of someone else or accuses somebody of something he’s guilty of that himself.
Making fun of people is far different from being consumed by hate. Winky wrote out a 10 line rant hating on mitch mconnell, how can anyone hate mitch mconnell? The guy is so dull.
 
#66
That's where we severely disagree Winky. Don't get fooled by current polls that are all about name recognition. Biden is one of the few that can actually lose to the idiot. Sadly, Biden is a shell of what he used to be,(I used to be a big fan of him) and would get utterly crushed and destroyed by the Idiot in any debates, and will lose any chance in the election. THe D's should have learned their lesson by anointing Hillary in 2016. Anointing Biden will be just as bad, or worse. What the D's need is someone who will EXCITE their base. That ain't Biden anymore. His time has passed. It will be hard for the D's to lose to the Idiot, who is basically capped at 40-45% max. But they will manage to if Biden is the candidate. I'll vote for him, of course, but he will not excite the base, and too many will stay home, like with Hillary.
The dems have a long history of selecting poor candidates, did Al Gore or John Kerry excite the base?
 

raycabino

Long Live Wilson!
#68
Making fun of people is far different from being consumed by hate. Winky wrote out a 10 line rant hating on mitch mconnell, how can anyone hate mitch mconnell? The guy is so dull.
Yep, as usual Winky can't be any more wrong about something (he has to be trolling). You are spot on here I think. Biden one of the few that would be a dog for sure.
 
#70
Moscow Mitch is a fucking scumbag, two bills that would help secure our elections from Russian interference and he won't bring them up for a vote, bills that passed the House that would enforce background checks for anyone buying guns, and he won't bring them up for a vote. He's a worthless piece of shit and a traitor to our country, as long as Russia is helping his guy he doesn't give a shit, as long as the NRA is lining his pockets, he doesn't care about these mass shootings, fuck him and his family
 
#71
That's where we severely disagree Winky. Don't get fooled by current polls that are all about name recognition. Biden is one of the few that can actually lose to the idiot. Sadly, Biden is a shell of what he used to be,(I used to be a big fan of him) and would get utterly crushed and destroyed by the Idiot in any debates, and will lose any chance in the election. THe D's should have learned their lesson by anointing Hillary in 2016. Anointing Biden will be just as bad, or worse. What the D's need is someone who will EXCITE their base. That ain't Biden anymore. His time has passed. It will be hard for the D's to lose to the Idiot, who is basically capped at 40-45% max. But they will manage to if Biden is the candidate. I'll vote for him, of course, but he will not excite the base, and too many will stay home, like with Hillary.
The Dems have someone who excites their base, he's a bloated orange pathological lying racist who's currently in the WH, voting that pig piece of shit out of office is enough to get the Democratic base excited
 

raycabino

Long Live Wilson!
#72
The Dems have someone who excites their base, he's a bloated orange pathological lying racist who's currently in the WH, voting that pig piece of shit out of office is enough to get the Democratic base excited
Didn't work 3 years ago. I'd fade Biden for my nuts if he's the candidate.
 

FairWarning

Bells Beer Connoisseur
#74
Moscow Mitch is a fucking scumbag, two bills that would help secure our elections from Russian interference and he won't bring them up for a vote, bills that passed the House that would enforce background checks for anyone buying guns, and he won't bring them up for a vote. He's a worthless piece of shit and a traitor to our country, as long as Russia is helping his guy he doesn't give a shit, as long as the NRA is lining his pockets, he doesn't care about these mass shootings, fuck him and his family
A lot of truth here about Mitch. It does make you wonder what other countries are trying to interfere. China and rouge Eastern European countries are a given.
 
#76
I dont recall that, I recall the supreme court stopped the recount because it was getting ridiculous.
Of course you don't remember that. You have a selective memory and opinion that allows you only to see what you want to believe. The Supreme Court with a 5-4 republican advantage stopped the recall once Gore was about to take the lead. Two newspapers did a recount themselves of the Florida vote 6 months after the election and Gore won by 50K votes.

Don't you ever tire of debating topics when you don't have the facts to back them up?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/jan/29/uselections2000.usa
 
#77
Of course you don't remember that. You have a selective memory and opinion that allows you only to see what you want to believe. The Supreme Court with a 5-4 republican advantage stopped the recall once Gore was about to take the lead. Two newspapers did a recount themselves of the Florida vote 6 months after the election and Gore won by 50K votes.

Don't you ever tire of debating topics when you don't have the facts to back them up?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/jan/29/uselections2000.usa
So newspapers were given access to several million ballots to examine huh?
 
#78
The Dems have someone who excites their base, he's a bloated orange pathological lying racist who's currently in the WH, voting that pig piece of shit out of office is enough to get the Democratic base excited
To a degree true, but not enough. Biden would prove to be such an embarrassment in the campaign and especially the debates with The Idiot, it will cause a big slowdown in that, and a sense of hopelessness among the base which is the last emotion they'll need. They will need energy and passion. That ain't Joe anymore. Pres Obama gently tried to tell Joe not to do this. Obama knows. https://www.businessinsider.com/obama-told-biden-advisers-not-let-him-damage-legacy-2020-2019-8

"He is concerned that Biden is relying on advisers who are "too old and out of touch with the current political climate," according to The Times, and has urged the former vice president to hire younger aides.
The report also said Obama asked some of Biden's top advisers to ensure the former vice president doesn't "damage his legacy" or "embarrass himself" during the campaign."
 
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