Drafting An SEC Quarterback....

Heim

Heim

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Really scratching my head to think of a elite NFL quarterback that's come out of the SEC....predominately a run and tough it out on defense league.
Sure there are two guys this year that have some talent but not most most sophisticated passing schemes when you watch some replays.

Note: few teams have already dropped Tua off the draft board due to unspecified concerns over health that does not include hip.



P.S. I really think Burrow is going to be a bust.
 
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ComptrBob

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Joe Namath, although its hard to call him, Matthew Stafford, and Burrow real "SEC products".

Cutler was way overrated out of Vandy, I remember Arne Lang gushing over him.

In this day and age, lots of QBs just roll thru program after program.
 
FairWarning

FairWarning

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Burrow is basically a hometown guy for Cincy, what a boost for them. I would be surprised if he busted, he hit up the conference with the best defensive players all year. Now Tua, he’s a gamble with the health. I can’t see him falling past Miami.
 
WildBill

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Dak is no good? Cam won an MVP and got to a Super Bowl, that's not a total bust. Stafford was second in Y/A until he got hurt last year. The Mannings, including Archie, all did quite well. Yeah Eli wasn't as good as Peyton, but who could live up to those expectations?

Basically the only real bust of a very highly drafted SEC QB was Jamarcus, but that was just one stupid outlier. Tebow a bit of a bust, but that was a pick made by an idiot coach who seems to have no clue how to find or develop a QB, he just rode Brady for all those years.
 
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boston massacre

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The question is can a stafford type win in today’s NFL, or do you need a L Jackson/Newton type?
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I'd Like to Know how Good of a QB Lamar Jackson is.

Without any READ OPTION Running plays with Ingram.

How Good would he be if he was a Typical NFL Drop Back QB ?

Brady/Brees/Rogers/Mahomes.
 
FairWarning

FairWarning

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boston massacre said:
I'd Like to Know how Good of a QB Lamar Jackson is.

Without any READ OPTION Running plays with Ingram.

How Good would he be if he was a Typical NFL Drop Back QB ?

Brady/Brees/Rogers/Mahomes.
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His game is breaking down a defense - much easier to do in a close game or ahead. It is also easier when you have a defense that can dominate, and cover up for your TO's. Even Russell Wilson avoids contact more now. All it takes is a shot to the head and he's out 2-4 weeks. I don't know if he can reinvent into being a Teddy Bridgewater.
 
TheGuesser

TheGuesser

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We Heard the same crap about Mahomes and the Big 12 and the Air Raid. No QB will ever make it from those, etc., etc..
The biggest mistake people make when evaluating QB's is crap like that. Look at the individual QB. Look at his individual talents. Look at how projectable he is at the next level. Not his conference, his school, his system.
 
FairWarning

FairWarning

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TheGuesser said:
We Heard the same crap about Mahomes and the Big 12 and the Air Raid. No QB will ever make it from those, etc., etc..
The biggest mistake people make when evaluating QB's is crap like that. Look at the individual QB. Look at his individual talents. Look at how projectable he is at the next level. Not his conference, his school, his system.
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If there is a conference that had more flops with higher picks, it’s the PAC 12. If you got burned on a USC qb in the past, that doesn’t mean you ignore Aaron Rodgers.
 
TheGuesser

TheGuesser

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FairWarning said:
If there is a conference that had more flops with higher picks, it’s the PAC 12. If you got burned on a USC qb in the past, that doesn’t mean you ignore Aaron Rodgers.
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It's a weird, group think thing, and NFL scouts aren't immune to it. When a string of guys from a school fail, future guys are unfairly tainted with their failure. I've probably been guilty of it also at times, but I consciously try not to be. I remember when the Chiefs drafted Larry Johnson in round 1 and were savaged because some prior Penn St RB's flopped. What on earth did Blair Thomas or Curtis Ennis or KiJanna Carter busting have to do with Larry Johnson?
 
kane

kane

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Evaluating a QB in college as to whether or not he can be a franchise QB in the NFL is one of the toughest things to do in sports
 
kane

kane

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FairWarning said:
Why do so many top QBs bust? Poor organizations are drafting them.[/QUOTE]

Maybe that plays a factor, but I think it's very difficult to watch a QB play in college and know one way or the other if he would make a good pro QB. I think the majority of guys taken early in the first round who end up busts would have been busts regardless of which team drafted them, not saying you're totally off base, but Jamarcus Russell would have been a bust regardless of who took him, I just think it's extremely difficult to predict which of them will have success and which of them won't. Jordan Love could be a franchise QB, or he could bust, who the hell knows. Arguably the GOAT of QB's was taken when, the 6th round? To me it's little more than a crap shoot. I'm a Dolphins fan, I want Tua, and if they take Herbert instead I'll vomit. But in a couple of years I might look dumb, Tua might suck and Herbert might be great, who the fuck knows. It would be very intersting to go back and chart every QB taken in the first round and see what type of QB they ended up being, a franchise guy, very good, mediocre, bust. I would love to see something like that charted
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John Kelly

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Heim said:
Really scratching my head to think of a elite NFL quarterback that's come out of the SEC....predominately a run and tough it out on defense league.
Sure there are two guys this year that have some talent but not most most sophisticated passing schemes when you watch some replays.

Note: few teams have already dropped Tua off the draft board due to unspecified concerns over health that does not include hip.



P.S. I really think Burrow is going to be a bust.
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SlipperyPete said:
Aint no way Burrow will be a bust.

In fact i think he will be #2 behind Mahomes for the next 10 years.

The one I think he will not be nearly as good as the hype, is Trevor Lawrence
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Heim v SlipperyPete.
 
TheGuesser

TheGuesser

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I don't know if Burrow will bust, but I don't see a star, so put me more in the Heim camp. I see Tua as an absolute Star in this draft, and Love as a QB that can be, but it'll take alot of work, and it's as likely he busts as is a star. If Andy didn't already have Mahomes, KC would be the perfect landing spot for him. NO might be. It'll take a GM/Coach that are very secure in their positions to take Love high. I don't know what to make of Herbert, but I don't see a star. I see a slightly better Brock Osweiler when he was decent. Fromm is Nathan Peterman.
I really wish some team looking for a young QB would give Josh Rosen a chance. I still think he has alot of ability and just has been, as the Great Curly said, A Victim of Circumstance.
 
FairWarning

FairWarning

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TheGuesser said:
I don't know if Burrow will bust, but I don't see a star, so put me more in the Heim camp. I see Tua as an absolute Star in this draft, and Love as a QB that can be, but it'll take alot of work, and it's as likely he busts as is a star. If Andy didn't already have Mahomes, KC would be the perfect landing spot for him. NO might be. It'll take a GM/Coach that are very secure in their positions to take Love high. I don't know what to make of Herbert, but I don't see a star. I see a slightly better Brock Osweiler when he was decent. Fromm is Nathan Peterman.
I really wish some team looking for a young QB would give Josh Rosen a chance. I still think he has alot of ability and just has been, as the Great Curly said, A Victim of Circumstance.
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A good spot for Rosen would be the Raiders. Chances are, Carr or Mariotta will not work out and he can learn with no pressure.
 
railbird

railbird

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TheGuesser said:
I don't know if Burrow will bust, but I don't see a star, so put me more in the Heim camp. I see Tua as an absolute Star in this draft, and Love as a QB that can be, but it'll take alot of work, and it's as likely he busts as is a star. If Andy didn't already have Mahomes, KC would be the perfect landing spot for him. NO might be. It'll take a GM/Coach that are very secure in their positions to take Love high. I don't know what to make of Herbert, but I don't see a star. I see a slightly better Brock Osweiler when he was decent. Fromm is Nathan Peterman.
I really wish some team looking for a young QB would give Josh Rosen a chance. I still think he has alot of ability and just has been, as the Great Curly said, A Victim of Circumstance.
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agree with Tua, very high ceiling, , Hebert sucks. When was osweiler ever good? Fromm and love are lousy. Rosen has a glass jaw, holds it too long, fumbles too often. Burrow will work out, Cincy is a terrible landing spot tho.
 
Viejo Dinosaur

Viejo Dinosaur

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railbird said:
agree with Tua, very high ceiling, , Hebert sucks. When was osweiler ever good? Fromm and love are lousy. Rosen has a glass jaw, holds it too long, fumbles too often. Burrow will work out, Cincy is a terrible landing spot tho.
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You told us Rosen would be a star....your credibility is lacking
 
John Kelly

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railbird said:
You want accuracy, quick release, arm strength, nimble with pocket awareness, sturdy, strong trunk in that order. height overrated, college affilaition overrated,
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How about decision-making?

Or is that included in "Nimble with pocket awareness."
 
John Kelly

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I like Birdie's opinions on quarterbacks.

He said Russell Wilson was a better quarterback than Peyton Manning prior to Super Bowl XLVIII.

Final score: Seattle 43 Denver 8.

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Foresthill

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John Kelly said:
He said Russell Wilson was a better quarterback than Peyton Manning prior to Super Bowl XLVIII.
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It's a team game and the Qb's don't play against each other. Seattle's defensive line successfully pressured Peyton Manning while Denver's defensive line didn't successfully pressure Russell Wilson.
 
Heisenberg

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railbird said:
yes, wilson better at any age
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Agreed. Manning was extremely overrated. For his entire career Manning shit the bed when facing legit D’s. He constantly padded his stats against poor D’s by doing things like calling fade route audibles on first and goal from the one.
 
kane

kane

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Well Heisey, in addition to LeBron, it looks like I found a second thing we disagree on. I think Manning is one of the GOATS, he might be the smartest QB who ever played, I can think of 100 adjectives to describe him, but overrated wouldn't be one of them. Also, I'm not interested in a back and forth, it's just that we agree on so many things, I like to point out the rare instances when we don't
 
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