Elon Musk tweet

mr merlin

mr merlin

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O'Royken said:
Newsom talks tough but caves in to pressure. As long as 83% follow he is OK with that.
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They all cave in with enough pressure, 5 or 6 counties in PA announced they're opening on their own on friday, the sheriffs and district attys said they wont enforce the govs orders either, The Gov is bitching but it sounds like he wont do anything about it.
 
mr merlin

mr merlin

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MrTop said:
he wants lower wages in nevada and texas.... musk knows bad times are coming like 1930
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I'm not a fan of Musk, but he's right, mass defiance is called for, 2 months is more than enough, CA does not have a serious problem.
 
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MrTop

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mr merlin said:
I'm not a fan of Musk, but he's right, mass defiance is called for, 2 months is more than enough, CA does not have a serious problem.
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he is just using the shutdown just to move... he made a mistake by going to Ca. .he thought the punch bowl would stay full for a decade more... no sir... this is a plot to lower his cost... he is a phony
 
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mr merlin said:
They all cave in with enough pressure, 5 or 6 counties in PA announced they're opening on their own on friday, the sheriffs and district attys said they wont enforce the govs orders either, The Gov is bitching but it sounds like he wont do anything about it.
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Trump to win Pa +180 is huuugee value
 
mr merlin

mr merlin

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MrTop said:
he is just using the shutdown just to move... he made a mistake by going to Ca. .he thought the punch bowl would stay full for a decade more... no sir... this is a plot to lower his cost... he is a phony
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Nonsense, he's not moving, it would cost a fortune, he is losing a ton of money staying shut, that's for sure.
 
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MrTop

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mr merlin said:
He very well might build something there, to move that particular factory would cost too much IMO, I'm sure you'll disagree, as always.
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has one in nevada already... i don't know about texas....... companies have been moving to less tax states forever. Where have you been ?
 
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Valuist

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I used to live about 5 miles from Tesla. Would drive by it often on 880. I knew it was big. On CNBC today, they said the Fremont facility is TEN MILLION square feet. It didn't look anywhere that big from the freeway. Must've gone back real, real deep. To give you some idea how big that is, Costco is about 100,000 square feet. The Fremont facility is the size of 100 Costcos together. Have to wonder how many facilities that gigantic are just hanging around empty now in Nevada or Texas.
 
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ComptrBob

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Fake news.

I drove by it many times as well (Toyota then) on 880. The Fremont plant is around 5.3M sq. ft., the Nevada battery plant is expandable to 10M sq. ft.
 
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MrTop

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is that a battery there in nevada? either way plenty of room in nevada to put in car factory .... Why is he in cali? must of got a tax deal to go there.
 
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lap18

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MrTop said:
he is just using the shutdown just to move... he made a mistake by going to Ca. .he thought the punch bowl would stay full for a decade more... no sir... this is a plot to lower his cost... he is a phony
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He didn't make a mistake. He bought the facility for a mere 42 million. It would cost 2 billion to move anywhere and produce what he is making in Fremont
 
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MrTop

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lap18 said:
He didn't make a mistake. He bought the facility for a mere 42 million. It would cost 2 billion to move anywhere and produce what he is making in Fremont
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i am talking labor and property taxes not the cost of property.
 
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MrTop

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lap18 said:
No way he pulls out. That won't happen
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he might not . Neither of us seen his books. There has to be a reason why he chose more expensive labor ... did he get a deal on something..?. a big plant usually gets a deal cause they are bringing in jobs for the folks
 
mr merlin

mr merlin

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MrTop said:
he might not . Neither of us seen his books. There has to be a reason why he chose more expensive labor ... did he get a deal on something..?. a big plant usually gets a deal cause they are bringing in jobs for the folks
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You just dont pick up equipment and move it, the plant is integrated and modified to facilitate production, everything from air handling to waste disposal, it costs a fortune.

When i worked at a drug company it would take months to set up a simple bottling line , from installation, to set up, to qualifying each piece of machinery, it cost millions. not to mention working out the bugs.
 
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lap18

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MrTop said:
he might not . Neither of us seen his books. There has to be a reason why he chose more expensive labor ... did he get a deal on something..?. a big plant usually gets a deal cause they are bringing in jobs for the folks
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The labor in that plant is dirt cheap. $18-$24 hour for line workers. The rest of the auto workers in the US easily making more than that. Why? Because for every job in the plant, there is 10 people in line to fill that. that is ecause there is very little manufacturing jobs in that area...but a lot of Mexican and Hispanics that need to work. I would say 80% of the line workers are Mexican with no education.
 
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lap18

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mr merlin said:
You just dont pick up equipment and move it, the plant is integrated and modified to facilitate production, everything from air handling to waste disposal, it costs a fortune.

When i worked at a drug company it would take months to set up a simple bottling line , from installation, to set up, to qualifying each piece of machinery, it cost millions. not to mention working out the bugs.
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Correct. It would cost billions to relocate. Plus Tesla cannot have any disruptions of production. They are doing what Amazon did for years...continue to pump all money back into expansion.
 
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MrTop

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lap18 said:
The labor in that plant is dirt cheap. $18-$24 hour for line workers. The rest of the auto workers in the US easily making more than that. Why? Because for every job in the plant, there is 10 people in line to fill that. that is ecause there is very little manufacturing jobs in that area...but a lot of Mexican and Hispanics that need to work. I would say 80% of the line workers are Mexican with no education.
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depends if they are union. I don't think they are though. All things equal Labor in cailf is higher than nevada or texas
 
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MrTop

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mr merlin said:
You just dont pick up equipment and move it, the plant is integrated and modified to facilitate production, everything from air handling to waste disposal, it costs a fortune.

When i worked at a drug company it would take months to set up a simple bottling line , from installation, to set up, to qualifying each piece of machinery, it cost millions. not to mention working out the bugs.
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did you ever hear of hoffman laroche ? they use to be in new jersey moved to a southern state ... you know nothing ZERO ... companies will move if it saves them money ..FACT .....then you never worked construction
 
mr merlin

mr merlin

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MrTop said:
did you ever hear of hoffman laroche ? they use to be in new jersey moved to a southern state ... you know nothing ZERO ... companies will move if it saves them money ..FACT .....then you never worked construction
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Yes they can, and yes they do, Musk is doing it out of spite, not financial sense.
 
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lap18

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MrTop said:
depends if they are union. I don't think they are though. All things equal Labor in cailf is higher than nevada or texas
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They are non union. I was there for 4 years.....I know what I'm talking about pertaining to wages and cost to relocate
 
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lap18

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You have to have a paint shop to paint cars. He has spent over 750 million on the one in the plant. You don't move a paint shop....you build a new one if you have a facility.
 
mr merlin

mr merlin

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if musk had unlimited, Bill gates type money and if Tesla was successful, i could see him doing it, He doesn't and they dont . tesla is in no financial position to piss away a couple billion dollars.
 
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mr merlin said:
if musk had unlimited, Bill gates type money and if Tesla was successful, i could see him doing it, He doesn't and they dont . tesla is in no financial position to piss away a couple billion dollars.
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Tesla stock has gone up 350% the last 8 months. Shouldve jumped on the money train.
 
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