become a place where gamblers can go to find information about books they can trust, and not just your sponsor list. sbr has that market cornered.
that's the way forums used to operate & it was a great service. forums were player advocates in an uncertain offshore world.
Yup, I agree with this, but as Ken as stated, EOG is not a "watch dog" site. It's a business. I think posters can also help one another by continuing to point out scalps between "trusted books" (after they bet them, of course)
I do think that posters keeping the forum up to date with their dealings with books is always good (as long as they aren't being paid to say so)
I also think a way to cut down on mod time/marketing costs is encouraging posters to do their own contests (like what is shaping up in 5star's MLB post) we all post up at a book, have them grade the plays in the thread, and pay out the winners. Saves EOG and sponsors $, allows the rest of posters to see what your real strong plays are, and its a way to PROVE how winning posters are, which allows others to make $ with you.
I tried with Adam. Did not happen. Those type of contests are fun though.
Best Wishes...OF :+waving-5
Got access to a time machine?
Here's what my "basic battle plan" would be to help "make EOG successful":
1- Consistency. The same rules apply to everyone, whether you're a newbie, a regular, a mod, or whomever. Picks go in the picks forum, create a "child forum" (subforum) for all the top 10, circle jerk stuff.
2- Give the Mods a "schedule". And before the cuts, same thing for the paid posters. Mods and paid help should encourage conversations, ask questions, ask for opinions, ect... but shouldn't "dominate the forum".
No reason for any Mod or paid poster to be on the forum 16-18 hours a day, "reaching" for things to post about or commenting in every thread. It's overkill imo.
And I would assign one or two days a week for each Mod that they wouldn't be allowed to post in the Main Forum. They can only post in the other parts of the forum to get them into the habit of not "living in the Main Forum".
3- Each Mod should concentrate on what they are good at. If a Mod is a sharp football capper, concentrate on capping the games and getting discussion started there (example Gyno. Did a great job in the picks forums ). If a Mod's niche is bs'ing with the posters, bs with the posters.
4- Mods and paid help should be doing more than just posting. Assign two or three to promote the forum elsewhere, assign a couple to go out and contact new books and other new forms of advertising....which ties right into.....
with the offshore environment as it is right now, looks to other forms of building revenue (find some good affiliate programs that pay good for referrals, build an Amazon store where all you're doing is selling their stuff and getting a cut ( http://webstore.amazon.com/Online-Store-FAQ/ ), plenty of other ways to generate revenue at a forum the size of EOG.
5- Reward the guys who add something positive to the forum, and stop rewarding those are doing stupid shit to make the rest of the forum and rest of the EOG team look bad. (And also those who are more interested in pushing and promoting themselves, instead of pushing and promoting EOG)
We'll never have the credibility we need if we are rewarding guys that stiff, guys that are making racial remarks, guys who are talking down to, cursing and insulting the posters.
And also put an end to the "Wolfpack/Clique mentaility". Stop ganging up on posters who have criticisms of the forum. Let 'em express themselves without beating the shit out of them.
6- When a Mod starts a thread asking for suggestions from the posting body, emplement some of the good ideas.
Seemed to me that each time one of us started a "Suggestions" thread, we'd get some good input from the posters, but it also seemed none of the ideas would ever come to fruition.
Gotta be willing to try new ideas. Give them a chance to work. If they don't work, you can always shitcan it later on. Nothing wrong with trying new ideas.
I've also found that the posters a lot of times "see things" we don't as Mods. We are so involved and "so deep in the woods", sometimes we don't see the forest for the trees. We DO need a fresh set of eyes to notice and comment on things from an outside and independant perspective.
7- Don't go back on your word.
This is more of an "Owner thing". If you say something, don't contradict yourself. (i.e. The J Man payment plan situation to TTinco)
Hurts credibility imo.
8- Form partnerships with other sites and blogs
Trade links and banners with some of these other sites that are not direct competitiors. It's not always about money and selling ads, exposing the site to a more diverse audience helps bring new blood to the site/forum.
9- Move the daily drama down to the Asylum and let the interested parties battle it out.
I think some of the drama stuff is relevent and should stay in the Main Forum if there's an actual debate taking place, even if it comes heated.
But the daily threads about the same old things that are nothing but name-calling back and forth, move it downstairs and let 'em fight and argue all day.
Rather not see it Main Forum on a daily basis.
10- Seen the suggestion of a "Think Tank or Technically Peep" type forum across the road.
I think it's a good idea. Give it a chance to work. It may catch on or it may not. But definately worth trying imo.
11- Do not allow stiffs and cheaters into the contests.
Simple enough imo. If someone is stiffing another poster, or is caught cheating in a contest, they are BANNED from participating in the contests.
This is just a basic outline on my part, and some of the things I actually suggested at one time or the other while at EOG.
So, take it fwiw and feel free to comment, agree or disagree
Great take ATS. I agree wholeheartedly. I believe the days are numbered.
Here's what my "basic battle plan" would be to help "make EOG successful":
1- Consistency. The same rules apply to everyone, whether you're a newbie, a regular, a mod, or whomever. Picks go in the picks forum, create a "child forum" (subforum) for all the top 10, circle jerk stuff.
2- Give the Mods a "schedule". And before the cuts, same thing for the paid posters. Mods and paid help should encourage conversations, ask questions, ask for opinions, ect... but shouldn't "dominate the forum".
No reason for any Mod or paid poster to be on the forum 16-18 hours a day, "reaching" for things to post about or commenting in every thread. It's overkill imo.
And I would assign one or two days a week for each Mod that they wouldn't be allowed to post in the Main Forum. They can only post in the other parts of the forum to get them into the habit of not "living in the Main Forum".
3- Each Mod should concentrate on what they are good at. If a Mod is a sharp football capper, concentrate on capping the games and getting discussion started there (example Gyno. Did a great job in the picks forums ). If a Mod's niche is bs'ing with the posters, bs with the posters.
4- Mods and paid help should be doing more than just posting. Assign two or three to promote the forum elsewhere, assign a couple to go out and contact new books and other new forms of advertising....which ties right into.....
with the offshore environment as it is right now, looks to other forms of building revenue (find some good affiliate programs that pay good for referrals, build an Amazon store where all you're doing is selling their stuff and getting a cut ( http://webstore.amazon.com/Online-Store-FAQ/ ), plenty of other ways to generate revenue at a forum the size of EOG.
5- Reward the guys who add something positive to the forum, and stop rewarding those are doing stupid shit to make the rest of the forum and rest of the EOG team look bad. (And also those who are more interested in pushing and promoting themselves, instead of pushing and promoting EOG)
We'll never have the credibility we need if we are rewarding guys that stiff, guys that are making racial remarks, guys who are talking down to, cursing and insulting the posters.
And also put an end to the "Wolfpack/Clique mentaility". Stop ganging up on posters who have criticisms of the forum. Let 'em express themselves without beating the shit out of them.
6- When a Mod starts a thread asking for suggestions from the posting body, emplement some of the good ideas.
Seemed to me that each time one of us started a "Suggestions" thread, we'd get some good input from the posters, but it also seemed none of the ideas would ever come to fruition.
Gotta be willing to try new ideas. Give them a chance to work. If they don't work, you can always shitcan it later on. Nothing wrong with trying new ideas.
I've also found that the posters a lot of times "see things" we don't as Mods. We are so involved and "so deep in the woods", sometimes we don't see the forest for the trees. We DO need a fresh set of eyes to notice and comment on things from an outside and independant perspective.
7- Don't go back on your word.
This is more of an "Owner thing". If you say something, don't contradict yourself. (i.e. The J Man payment plan situation to TTinco)
Hurts credibility imo.
8- Form partnerships with other sites and blogs
Trade links and banners with some of these other sites that are not direct competitiors. It's not always about money and selling ads, exposing the site to a more diverse audience helps bring new blood to the site/forum.
9- Move the daily drama down to the Asylum and let the interested parties battle it out.
I think some of the drama stuff is relevent and should stay in the Main Forum if there's an actual debate taking place, even if it comes heated.
But the daily threads about the same old things that are nothing but name-calling back and forth, move it downstairs and let 'em fight and argue all day.
Rather not see it Main Forum on a daily basis.
10- Seen the suggestion of a "Think Tank or Technically Peep" type forum across the road.
I think it's a good idea. Give it a chance to work. It may catch on or it may not. But definately worth trying imo.
11- Do not allow stiffs and cheaters into the contests.
Simple enough imo. If someone is stiffing another poster, or is caught cheating in a contest, they are BANNED from participating in the contests.
This is just a basic outline on my part, and some of the things I actually suggested at one time or the other while at EOG.
So, take it fwiw and feel free to comment, agree or disagree
Here's what my "basic battle plan" would be to help "make EOG successful":
1- Consistency. The same rules apply to everyone, whether you're a newbie, a regular, a mod, or whomever. Picks go in the picks forum, create a "child forum" (subforum) for all the top 10, circle jerk stuff.
2- Give the Mods a "schedule". And before the cuts, same thing for the paid posters. Mods and paid help should encourage conversations, ask questions, ask for opinions, ect... but shouldn't "dominate the forum".
No reason for any Mod or paid poster to be on the forum 16-18 hours a day, "reaching" for things to post about or commenting in every thread. It's overkill imo.
And I would assign one or two days a week for each Mod that they wouldn't be allowed to post in the Main Forum. They can only post in the other parts of the forum to get them into the habit of not "living in the Main Forum".
3- Each Mod should concentrate on what they are good at. If a Mod is a sharp football capper, concentrate on capping the games and getting discussion started there (example Gyno. Did a great job in the picks forums ). If a Mod's niche is bs'ing with the posters, bs with the posters.
4- Mods and paid help should be doing more than just posting. Assign two or three to promote the forum elsewhere, assign a couple to go out and contact new books and other new forms of advertising....which ties right into.....
with the offshore environment as it is right now, looks to other forms of building revenue (find some good affiliate programs that pay good for referrals, build an Amazon store where all you're doing is selling their stuff and getting a cut ( http://webstore.amazon.com/Online-Store-FAQ/ ), plenty of other ways to generate revenue at a forum the size of EOG.
5- Reward the guys who add something positive to the forum, and stop rewarding those are doing stupid shit to make the rest of the forum and rest of the EOG team look bad. (And also those who are more interested in pushing and promoting themselves, instead of pushing and promoting EOG)
We'll never have the credibility we need if we are rewarding guys that stiff, guys that are making racial remarks, guys who are talking down to, cursing and insulting the posters.
And also put an end to the "Wolfpack/Clique mentaility". Stop ganging up on posters who have criticisms of the forum. Let 'em express themselves without beating the shit out of them.
6- When a Mod starts a thread asking for suggestions from the posting body, emplement some of the good ideas.
Seemed to me that each time one of us started a "Suggestions" thread, we'd get some good input from the posters, but it also seemed none of the ideas would ever come to fruition.
Gotta be willing to try new ideas. Give them a chance to work. If they don't work, you can always shitcan it later on. Nothing wrong with trying new ideas.
I've also found that the posters a lot of times "see things" we don't as Mods. We are so involved and "so deep in the woods", sometimes we don't see the forest for the trees. We DO need a fresh set of eyes to notice and comment on things from an outside and independant perspective.
7- Don't go back on your word.
This is more of an "Owner thing". If you say something, don't contradict yourself. (i.e. The J Man payment plan situation to TTinco)
Hurts credibility imo.
8- Form partnerships with other sites and blogs
Trade links and banners with some of these other sites that are not direct competitiors. It's not always about money and selling ads, exposing the site to a more diverse audience helps bring new blood to the site/forum.
9- Move the daily drama down to the Asylum and let the interested parties battle it out.
I think some of the drama stuff is relevent and should stay in the Main Forum if there's an actual debate taking place, even if it comes heated.
But the daily threads about the same old things that are nothing but name-calling back and forth, move it downstairs and let 'em fight and argue all day.
Rather not see it Main Forum on a daily basis.
10- Seen the suggestion of a "Think Tank or Technically Peep" type forum across the road.
I think it's a good idea. Give it a chance to work. It may catch on or it may not. But definately worth trying imo.
11- Do not allow stiffs and cheaters into the contests.
Simple enough imo. If someone is stiffing another poster, or is caught cheating in a contest, they are BANNED from participating in the contests.
This is just a basic outline on my part, and some of the things I actually suggested at one time or the other while at EOG.
So, take it fwiw and feel free to comment, agree or disagree
Here's what my "basic battle plan" would be to help "make EOG successful":
1- Consistency. The same rules apply to everyone, whether you're a newbie, a regular, a mod, or whomever. Picks go in the picks forum, create a "child forum" (subforum) for all the top 10, circle jerk stuff.
2- Give the Mods a "schedule". And before the cuts, same thing for the paid posters. Mods and paid help should encourage conversations, ask questions, ask for opinions, ect... but shouldn't "dominate the forum".
No reason for any Mod or paid poster to be on the forum 16-18 hours a day, "reaching" for things to post about or commenting in every thread. It's overkill imo.
And I would assign one or two days a week for each Mod that they wouldn't be allowed to post in the Main Forum. They can only post in the other parts of the forum to get them into the habit of not "living in the Main Forum".
3- Each Mod should concentrate on what they are good at. If a Mod is a sharp football capper, concentrate on capping the games and getting discussion started there (example Gyno. Did a great job in the picks forums ). If a Mod's niche is bs'ing with the posters, bs with the posters.
4- Mods and paid help should be doing more than just posting. Assign two or three to promote the forum elsewhere, assign a couple to go out and contact new books and other new forms of advertising....which ties right into.....
with the offshore environment as it is right now, looks to other forms of building revenue (find some good affiliate programs that pay good for referrals, build an Amazon store where all you're doing is selling their stuff and getting a cut ( http://webstore.amazon.com/Online-Store-FAQ/ ), plenty of other ways to generate revenue at a forum the size of EOG.
5- Reward the guys who add something positive to the forum, and stop rewarding those are doing stupid shit to make the rest of the forum and rest of the EOG team look bad. (And also those who are more interested in pushing and promoting themselves, instead of pushing and promoting EOG)
We'll never have the credibility we need if we are rewarding guys that stiff, guys that are making racial remarks, guys who are talking down to, cursing and insulting the posters.
And also put an end to the "Wolfpack/Clique mentaility". Stop ganging up on posters who have criticisms of the forum. Let 'em express themselves without beating the shit out of them.
6- When a Mod starts a thread asking for suggestions from the posting body, emplement some of the good ideas.
Seemed to me that each time one of us started a "Suggestions" thread, we'd get some good input from the posters, but it also seemed none of the ideas would ever come to fruition.
Gotta be willing to try new ideas. Give them a chance to work. If they don't work, you can always shitcan it later on. Nothing wrong with trying new ideas.
I've also found that the posters a lot of times "see things" we don't as Mods. We are so involved and "so deep in the woods", sometimes we don't see the forest for the trees. We DO need a fresh set of eyes to notice and comment on things from an outside and independant perspective.
7- Don't go back on your word.
This is more of an "Owner thing". If you say something, don't contradict yourself. (i.e. The J Man payment plan situation to TTinco)
Hurts credibility imo.
8- Form partnerships with other sites and blogs
Trade links and banners with some of these other sites that are not direct competitiors. It's not always about money and selling ads, exposing the site to a more diverse audience helps bring new blood to the site/forum.
9- Move the daily drama down to the Asylum and let the interested parties battle it out.
I think some of the drama stuff is relevent and should stay in the Main Forum if there's an actual debate taking place, even if it comes heated.
But the daily threads about the same old things that are nothing but name-calling back and forth, move it downstairs and let 'em fight and argue all day.
Rather not see it Main Forum on a daily basis.
10- Seen the suggestion of a "Think Tank or Technically Peep" type forum across the road.
I think it's a good idea. Give it a chance to work. It may catch on or it may not. But definately worth trying imo.
11- Do not allow stiffs and cheaters into the contests.
Simple enough imo. If someone is stiffing another poster, or is caught cheating in a contest, they are BANNED from participating in the contests.
This is just a basic outline on my part, and some of the things I actually suggested at one time or the other while at EOG.
So, take it fwiw and feel free to comment, agree or disagree
Although it's been beaten to death having known stiffs as employees hurts the site those problems need to be taken care of.
I think what SBR does where posters can make their picks in their blogs is pretty cool
and the system grades it and keeps Won loss records and units won would be a good addition here.
Na, eog aint closing up shop!
:houra
Pretty bitter post Ego, and I can't say I blame you. A lot of it seems directed at Ken and J-Stiffman, but it doesn't matter what you suggest, Ken is gonna keep on who he wants to. I for one thought you did plenty around here and always appreciated it. But if he thinks cutting you and Hache is more prudent than axing some shit mods that still exist, well more power to him.
I think EOG as we know it, is gonna change. It may not close shop but any company needs revenue. If the guys here at EOG arent clicking the banners at the top of the page, then advertisers will have no choice but to vanish.
Ken is a businessman, first and foremost. He loves EOG and forumville but no one can expect him to pay for this venue, out of his own pocket, if it ever gets to that point. (For all I know it may already be)
Revenue<expenses>
live chat session with spiro, 5D tony etc - like MW used to do
Although it's been beaten to death having known stiffs as employees hurts the site those problems need to be taken care of.
I think what SBR does where posters can make their picks in their blogs is pretty cool
and the system grades it and keeps Won loss records and units won would be a good addition here.
This is a fallacy. Revenue streams are unaffected by having Jman on the payroll. You think Joey, Seymour, or any of the other ball busters are miraculously gonna post up at one of EOG's advertisers if Jman is fired? Not no, but hell no.
So what if you, Joey, Seymour, TTicno (or I) dont come to EOG and boycott cuz Jman is on the payroll. It wouldnt affect the advertisers at all. Old timers aren't the ones clicking the banners and posting up at these stores.
My .02
If SHRINK could get BW to sit down for a one-hour live chat it would blow the doors off the forum world IMO if advertised right
OSU I know you're Kens boys, and I'm not asking for insider details, but for the life of me I cannot figure out how these forums can be hurting for money.....are the IT expenses really that high?
Pretty bitter post Ego, and I can't say I blame you. A lot of it seems directed at Ken and J-Stiffman, but it doesn't matter what you suggest, Ken is gonna keep on who he wants to. I for one thought you did plenty around here and always appreciated it. But if he thinks cutting you and Hache is more prudent than axing some shit mods that still exist, well more power to him.:maniac:
Not meant to be bitter at all, Dust.
As Mo mentioned, I stepped away on my own even before I was made aware of the other cuts.
My list was simply some things me and others wanted to implement here, but we just didn't have the stroke, influence or votes to make it happen 12io4j2w90
If any comments I may have made since leaving here has rubbed anyone the wrong way, that was not my intention.
Considering the constant shots and name-calling directed my way since even before I was hired as a mod here at EOG, I felt the least I deserved was to "broadly" tell my side of things.
If anyone has been offended, I apologize
Good ideals EGO:cheers
EGO who is the guy that made the video on youtube about you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzhU...horegamblersdigest.com/showthread.php?t=67047