In CFB The Elite Stay Elite...Not So Much In NFL
- Thread starter Heim
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Not really. In all of college sports you have the advantage of selecting your roster and not having to deal with a salary cap. The college coach is both the GM and head coach, so he can build a team that works for him. The academic disadvantages certain school face (think Vanderbilt) will never allow them to be competitive. Amazing that schools like Stanford, Northwestern, Wisconsin, and TCU remain relevant when 60+% of the recruiting pool is unavailable to them. You add in that some coaches are a little looser with the rules than others and you have a few football dynasties.
The new relaxed transfer rules are only going to exacerbate this disparity. Group of 5 teams will become the minor leagues of the power 5.
railbird
EOG Master
college football should have a draft too, that would even it out
Scholarship limits tried to even the playing fields of college football back in the day, but recruiting services and summer camps are getting better at identifying elite talent.
Just a quick thought.
Now let's return to studying the impacts and effects of COVID-19.
Haha.
Just a quick thought.
Now let's return to studying the impacts and effects of COVID-19.
Haha.
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Heim
EOG Master
It was suggested the other day by a advisory committee that non Power 5 teams leave the NCAA and form their own
governing body to survive.....might be the way to go.
And, of course, the NFL Draft gives subpar teams the best chance to change their fortunes dramatically by selecting a franchise quarterback.
Question: What if an NFL franchise did nothing but select quarterbacks in the hopes of finding a Patrick Mahomes (10th overall), Drew Brees (32nd overall), Russell Wilson (75th overall) or Tom Brady (299th overall)?
Seven picks, seven quarterbacks.
Question: What if an NFL franchise did nothing but select quarterbacks in the hopes of finding a Patrick Mahomes (10th overall), Drew Brees (32nd overall), Russell Wilson (75th overall) or Tom Brady (299th overall)?
Seven picks, seven quarterbacks.
railbird
EOG Master
Its like Dee day there will be some casualties. but so what. Lets get herd and go with it. 95pct who died with covid were going to die anyway. suicides should count as covid deaths too. Life is short anyway, go live it. Jesus is God, the Govt is not God. the Govt is the liberals god.
I've heard some experts claim we will achieve herd immunity when approximately 70% of the population is vaccinated.
Then again, I've heard a lot of claims from so-called experts over the past nine months.
One thing's for sure: If you haven't caught the virus in 2020, by all means, do not catch the virus in the first quarter of 2021.
Help is on the way.
Then again, I've heard a lot of claims from so-called experts over the past nine months.
One thing's for sure: If you haven't caught the virus in 2020, by all means, do not catch the virus in the first quarter of 2021.
Help is on the way.
WildBill
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The cap means everything in the NFL and NHL and insure some parity. Where the cap is mostly ignored in the NBA and doesn't exist in the MLB you get much more predictable results when it comes to seeing the same teams participating or not participating in the playoffs. I really think a smart owner who didn't listen to the stupid fans and their constant overreactions who hired smart GMs who built for the long haul with a long window could yield a very good franchise that makes the playoffs most years and finds a way to win a title or two when everything falls into place.
College football not only doesn't have the cap, they get to recruit on stuff that isn't really inside the rules. The rich can build palatial stadiums and workout facilities and most teams can turn that into a massive edge these days. Interestingly USC and Notre Dame, while no slouches in the fund raising efforts, are falling behind in the facilities game relative to the big boys in the other conferences. So while both still get good recruiting classes, they aren't as dominant as they were and I think they are getting a different type of player who while still talented, is maybe not on average as likely to be NFL talent and so at the NCAA level they can't win national titles.
College football not only doesn't have the cap, they get to recruit on stuff that isn't really inside the rules. The rich can build palatial stadiums and workout facilities and most teams can turn that into a massive edge these days. Interestingly USC and Notre Dame, while no slouches in the fund raising efforts, are falling behind in the facilities game relative to the big boys in the other conferences. So while both still get good recruiting classes, they aren't as dominant as they were and I think they are getting a different type of player who while still talented, is maybe not on average as likely to be NFL talent and so at the NCAA level they can't win national titles.
Good point about smart NFL general managers, WildBill.
The quickest way to ensure NFL mediocrity -- or worse yet, irrelevance -- is to hire an incompetent GM.
Yet handicappers rarely mention GMs.
The quickest way to ensure NFL mediocrity -- or worse yet, irrelevance -- is to hire an incompetent GM.
Yet handicappers rarely mention GMs.
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i think MLB has revenue sharing... the rich ( over the limit salary teams ) give to the poor. .but the poor are free to spend it in the minors if they like instead on free agents.
WildBill
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They spend a little of it, but mostly the poorer teams just use the money to make themselves profitable overall. The rich teams are getting smarter though and resetting their excess every few years because then they have to share a lot less.
FairWarning
Bells Beer Connoisseur
They have to now - here is the luxury tax from the 2016 CBA - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Baseball_luxury_tax
Under the 2016 CBA, first time offenders would pay a fee of 20% on the dollar, second time offenders would pay a 30% on the dollar, and third or subsequent time offenders would have to pay 50% on the dollar (These offenses must be in consecutive years for these percentages. If a team falls below the threshold one year the penalty re-sets the next year to the "first offense")
Back in the day, Alabama’s Bear Bryant would have nearly 150 scholarship players on his roster just to keep talent away from his SEC rivals.
There were so many complaints about stockpiling, the NCAA decreased the roster limit to, first, 105, then to 95 and, finally, to the present 85 in 1992.
There were so many complaints about stockpiling, the NCAA decreased the roster limit to, first, 105, then to 95 and, finally, to the present 85 in 1992.
WildBill
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Didn't they have Freshman and JV teams back then? I think the 85 seems a bit high, maybe with the increased options in the transfer portal the NCAA finds a way to lower it even more.
With COVID-19 and everyone considering 2020 a free year in terms of eligibility, look for player rosters to increase, not decrease.
WildBill
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For a year or two sure, but long term I think it makes sense financially and for competitive reasons to limit teams to 60 scholarship players. If guys want to walk on that's fine, but no need for more players than your traveling squad. Otherwise you get dumb stuff like major programs having 6 QBs in their system. What's the point of that? Half those guys if they are any good are just going to enter the portal anyways.
Good point, WildBill.
For safety concerns and financial reasons, any chance some FCS schools go to 7-man football?
The powers-that-be are campaigning to end kickoff returns right now.
For safety concerns and financial reasons, any chance some FCS schools go to 7-man football?
The powers-that-be are campaigning to end kickoff returns right now.
I think the point is not every school recruits high level 4 and 5 star players that can come in and contribute immediately. This would really inhibit some of the developmental programs that still red shirt players and look for them to contribute during the junior and senior seasons. I see no problem with the current scholarship numbers and the use of the transfer portatl if you get buried on the depth chart
Two things will be really intriguing going forward. First, how many seniors are going use their "free" year and return next season. I'm sure there were some players who had draft aspirations that were derailed by COVID cancellations. The second is when coaches start "recruiting" already scholarshiped players. Dabo needs a qb, how about reaching out to Michael Penix? Will be interesting to see how it all washes out.
WildBill
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Fair point on the development squad, but its just reality most of these guys need to think of football as an activity they love and the college degree as what they really need to leave with. To get that scholarship should be a real achievement and its one that increasingly I think sports programs below the elite schools are struggling with. They really need to separate college from the football and have a semi-pro development league. Guys who are great athletes and have a real future as professionals should start earlier with a focus on that, this charade of getting an education is insulting to our collective intelligence. But until common sense prevails, I think reduced rosters is the best step.
Student-athletes in college football and college basketball are the exception, not the rule.
Lots of athlete-students on the football fields and basketball floors.
Lots of athlete-students on the football fields and basketball floors.
WildBill
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Exactly JK. Get rid of the age restrictions on drafting and follow the rules they have for baseball or hockey and we'll have a lot more common sense prevailing for football and basketball. The Bamas, Kentucky hoops and the ohio states of the world can live with letting the 5 stars go pro out of HS and making due with the 4 star recruits. I'm sure they would still win plenty of games, but it might even interject a little more parity to the sports.
Toothpaste out of the tube, Bill.