Las Vegas mayor won't give businesses social distancing guidelines for reopening: 'They better figure it out. That's their job'

[mrbowling300]

Las Vegas Mayor Carolyn Goodman on Wednesday repeatedly called for the city's businesses to reopen while refusing to provide any social distancing guidelines on how to do so safely.
"I am not a private owner. That's the competition in this country. The free enterprise and to be able to make sure that what you offer the public meets the needs of the public," Goodman, an independent, told CNN's Anderson Cooper.
"Right now, we're in a crisis health-wise, and so for a restaurant to be open or a small boutique to be open, they better figure it out. That's their job. That's not the mayor's job."
Goodman's comments come as more states plan phased reopenings of their economies following new guidance from President Donald Trump -- even as public health experts have repeatedly stressed the dangers of relaxing social distancing measures too early.

 

[John Kelly]

Carolyn Goodman embarrassed herself during the CNN interview.

One obvious advantage to a united reopening of the country is to avoid the flooding of one business or one neighborhood or one region.

One general thought about easing the strain on many industries: Expand the second and third shifts in this country.

 

[WildBill]

In a way she's right, but the message gets taken the wrong way. She should just say we would expect them to follow existing guidelines on social distancing and leave it at that.

That's the whole problem with the open vs stay closed debate. Open means you start opening up some with a lot of restrictions on it. It doesn't mean we go back to February rules. No one seems to advocate for that. Sure a few fringe types trying to foment disorder want that, but the majority of places opening are calling for face coverings, social distancing and limits on types of businesses to open. Those arguing for keeping things closed talk about what would happen if no limits or restrictions were put in place. So while Carolyn Goodman might wish for a wide open, let the chips fall as they may situation, she should realize how she's fanning the flames of opposition to opening.

 

[John Kelly]

Goodman "fanning the flames" is less radical than those who talk about no crowds at sporting events for the rest of 2020.

I resent politicians who are talking about a larger second wave.

Talk about scare tactics.

 

[mr merlin]

In a way she's right, but the message gets taken the wrong way. She should just say we would expect them to follow existing guidelines on social distancing and leave it at that.

That's the whole problem with the open vs stay closed debate. Open means you start opening up some with a lot of restrictions on it. It doesn't mean we go back to February rules. No one seems to advocate for that. Sure a few fringe types trying to foment disorder want that, but the majority of places opening are calling for face coverings, social distancing and limits on types of businesses to open. Those arguing for keeping things closed talk about what would happen if no limits or restrictions were put in place. So while Carolyn Goodman might wish for a wide open, let the chips fall as they may situation, she should realize how she's fanning the flames of opposition to opening.

She is right, the last thing anyone or any company needs is a long set of rules that need to be followed. All that would lead to are a whole bunch of snitches causing trouble.When it's ok to open, you open, with everyone trying their best to be "careful".

 

[WildBill]

Goodman "fanning the flames" is less radical than those who talk about no crowds at sporting events for the rest of 2020.

I resent politicians who are talking about a larger second wave.

Talk about scare tactics.

Yep, they want it that way. Remember almost everyone you hear saying be safe, don't open HAS A JOB! They claim they feel the pain of a shut economy but what if we said you don't get paid until we are open. Very few would be so conservative. Easy to tell someone else take one for the team when you aren't sacrificing much.

 

[Bushay]

She is right, the last thing anyone or any company needs is a long set of rules that need to be followed. All that would lead to are a whole bunch of snitches causing trouble.When it's ok to open, you open, with everyone trying their best to be "careful".

Imagine that.

 

[ComptrBob]

She is right, the last thing anyone or any company needs is a long set of rules that need to be followed. All that would lead to are a whole bunch of snitches causing trouble.When it's ok to open, you open, with everyone trying their best to be "careful".

I get a kick out of the NGCB "Procedures for Reopening after Temporary Closure Due to COVID-19", its a seven page morass of bureaucratic gobbledygook. Please give it a read, think about the issues of compliance.

https://gaming.nv.gov/modules/showdocument.aspx?documentid=16703

 

[Bushay]

 

[cheapseats]

Inept like all the rest of them. She closed the thing down without much brain power. Now, no way is she going to suggest open methods, she's a hack.

 

[winkyduck]

Inept like all the rest of them. She closed the thing down without much brain power. Now, no way is she going to suggest open methods, she's a hack.

I doubt she closed anything. The Governor did. I don't think she has the power to do it. And after seeing this - nor the intelligence

I sense Jimmy Kimmel is gonna savagely destroy her tonight

 

[ZzyzxRoad]

Carolyn Goodman embarrassed herself during the CNN interview.

One obvious advantage to a united reopening of the country is to avoid the flooding of one business or one neighborhood or one region.

One general thought about easing the strain on many industries: Expand the second and third shifts in this country.

I missed the part where she embarrassed herself.
In the interview I watched, she debated a toolbag from the Communist News Network and beat him soundly.

 

[Bigrunner]

Carolyn Goodman embarrassed herself during the CNN interview.

One obvious advantage to a united reopening of the country is to avoid the flooding of one business or one neighborhood or one region.

One general thought about easing the strain on many industries: Expand the second and third shifts in this country.

I think she was auditioning for a job with the Trump administration.

 

[pro analyser]

 

[winkyduck]

I think she was auditioning for a job with the Trump administration.

Sad part is.....she is OVER qualified

 

[Crazy Pete]

Didn’t see it, she probably could have used better wording, but her point is reasonable.
By ‘control group’, she means compare a Lockdown state vs More Reasonable Restrictions state.
We can do that now.
No lockdown states : ND, SD, WY, Montana. Deaths 13, 7, 2, 10= 32 deaths over 4 states combined.
Now compare that to 4 random Lockdown states. Lockdown fare horrifically, with economic disaster to boot.

And Computer Bob’s point of 7 pages of legalese gooblygook is alarming. If I own a business, & am vulnerable to lawsuits if I don’t follow every goodly & gook 24/7 or face crippling lawsuits...well, I’d rather have common sense laws. I assume that’s the point she was making.
She’s an easy target, and people nowadays think if u want to do anything other than solitary confinement, you want to kill people.
It’s amazing how many people have Stockholm Syndrome, & are unable to do simple risk vs reward comparisons.

 

[John Kelly]

I get a kick out of the NGCB "Procedures for Reopening after Temporary Closure Due to COVID-19", its a seven page morass of bureaucratic gobbledygook. Please give it a read, think about the issues of compliance.

https://gaming.nv.gov/modules/showdocument.aspx?documentid=16703

Add "bureaucratic gobbledygook" to my EOG glossary.

 

[John Kelly]

In a way she's right, but the message gets taken the wrong way. She should just say we would expect them to follow existing guidelines on social distancing and leave it at that.

That's the whole problem with the open vs stay closed debate. Open means you start opening up some with a lot of restrictions on it. It doesn't mean we go back to February rules. No one seems to advocate for that. Sure a few fringe types trying to foment disorder want that, but the majority of places opening are calling for face coverings, social distancing and limits on types of businesses to open. Those arguing for keeping things closed talk about what would happen if no limits or restrictions were put in place. So while Carolyn Goodman might wish for a wide open, let the chips fall as they may situation, she should realize how she's fanning the flames of opposition to opening.

That's what I was trying to articulate.

Thanks WildBill.

 

[John Kelly]

Easy to call for "more patience" when you live in a governor's mansion.

 

[fifty cint]

She lived in Manhattan so she knows....good grief.

No good can come of this...

 

[mr merlin]

Easy to call for "more patience" when you live in a governor's mansion.

Another 4.3 million unemployed this week, did you see what Cuomo said..."if you want to work, get an essential job".

Whatever happened to the dems being the party of workers?

 

[Heisenberg]

For many businesses opening up now they’re probably going to lose more money than they would have still staying shut down

 

[mr merlin]

For many businesses opening up now they’re probably going to lose more money than they would have still staying shut down

Perhaps, but that's for them to find out and decide how to deal with.

By the way, WTF is up with Trump, he puts out this immigration ban which turns out to only ban 5% of people, then he's out tweeting "liberate everyone" then he slams the Georgia Gov for doing something everyone should be doing? I'm starting to lose faith in him.

 

[Heisenberg]

Perhaps, but that's for them to find out and decide how to deal with.

By the way, WTF is up with Trump, he puts out this immigration ban which turns out to only ban 5% of people, then he's out tweeting "liberate everyone" then he slams the Georgia Gov for doing something everyone should be doing? I'm starting to lose faith in him.

When the POTUS is an incompetent buffoon it shouldn’t surprise anyone when he fucks up at every turn.

 

[kane]

Anderson was showing her a chart of people sitting in a restaurant, and explaining how one infected person can then infect ten others due to the air conditioning circulating the air, Goodman then interrupted him and said yeah, but that's China, then went on to talk about Legionaries disease. She also didn't think any of this was her responsibility, she said let the casinos open and let them figure it out. I realize she's in a tough position, but so is every mayor of every city. She came off looking very foolish and ignorant.

 

[mr merlin]

Anderson was showing her a chart of people sitting in a restaurant, and explaining how one infected person can then infect ten others due to the air conditioning circulating the air, Goodman then interrupted him and said yeah, but that's China, then went on to talk about Legionaries disease. She also didn't think any of this was her responsibility, she said let the casinos open and let them figure it out. I realize she's in a tough position, but so is every mayor of every city. She came off looking very foolish and ignorant.

She's right, we did what was asked, we acheived what they said was the goal, it's time to reopen with no restrictions of any kind.

People are starting to realize what sweden did resulted in the same results with almost no pain.

 

[WildBill]

The further reason why this is a bad look for Las Vegas is that no one outside of Las Vegas understands the mayor position is mostly ceremonial and has little power. Her husband was a brand ambassador, little else. City Council members have more power to pass laws than she does. Further, the city of Las Vegas does not include the Strip hotels or any of the things that the city is famous for except Downtown and the Stratosphere. So to the outsider its like holy shit, I'm going to go to the Bellagio and this lady is going to let them do whatever, but that's not the case at all. So she's making all this noise and getting negative attention and she controls almost nothing.

 

[kane]

She's right, we did what was asked, we acheived what they said was the goal, it's time to reopen with no restrictions of any kind.

People are starting to realize what sweden did resulted in the same results with almost no pain.

The health experts and scientists disagree with you, but you're certainly allowed to post your opinion

 

[mr merlin]

The health experts and scientists disagree with you, but you're certainly allowed to post your opinion

Cuomo just said that preliminary data shows 20% of people in NY city have already had it, far more than thought - 3 million people just in Ny state - and that's so far, that's great news, that means far less chance of a rd 2, far less reason to keep restrictions in place.

 

[kane]

Cuomo just said that preliminary data shows 20% of people in NY city have already had it, far more than thought - 3 million people just in Ny state - and that's so far, that's great news, that means far less chance of a rd 2, far less reason to keep restrictions in place.

So you want to reopen the entire country with no restrictions, no mask wearing, no social distancing, no glove wearing, just everything return to normal. I think it's way to early for that

 

[Valuist]

Here's what casinos are likely to do:

1. Temperature checks for all employees and guests.
2. Seats will be removed at various table games. For instance, you may only see a 1B and 3B seat at a blackjack table, or carnival games tables. Games like roulette and dice may require play by appointment.
3. Dealers will likely wear masks. Not sure if they can make the players; my guess is they can't.
4. Every other slot machine will be turned off to create automatic social distancing.

 

[mr merlin]

So you want to reopen the entire country with no restrictions, no mask wearing, no social distancing, no glove wearing, just everything return to normal. I think it's way to early for that

I think in most of america, yes, in the hot spots - no, not yet. these sky high infections rates are wonderful news. That means the end is much nearer.

 

[kane]

[QUOTE="mr merlin, post: 7588512, member: 903"]I think in most of america, yes, in the hot spots - no, not yet. these sky high infections rates are wonderful news. That means the end is much nearer.[/QUOTE]

I'll just say I'm glad you're not the one making the decisions and leave it at that

 

[mr merlin]

[QUOTE="mr merlin, post: 7588512, member: 903"]I think in most of america, yes, in the hot spots - no, not yet. these sky high infections rates are wonderful news. That means the end is much nearer.

I'll just say I'm glad you're not the one making the decisions and leave it at that[/QUOTE]
Do you realize that 15% of the nation has never had a case, another 15% have had 1 or 2? Is it really that hard to think rationally.

 

[lastyle7]

Hard to believe the Mayor has a MS from UNLV

 

[WildBill]

So you want to reopen the entire country with no restrictions, no mask wearing, no social distancing, no glove wearing, just everything return to normal. I think it's way to early for that

This is a fantasy, almost no one is calling for this except the crazy people protesting. Even in states that are about to open there are clear statements about social distancing and face coverings are still expected and if its widely being ignored that they could reimpose restrictions. That's the right tone IMO. People are still going to transmit this, but if done in a way that reduces those transmissions we can have about 80% capacity in the economy and see stable or even slightly declining cases. Wasn't flattening the curve the goal? Seems like the goalposts for some have moved to eliminating the virus which could take years.

 

[FairWarning]

This is a fantasy, almost no one is calling for this except the crazy people protesting. Even in states that are about to open there are clear statements about social distancing and face coverings are still expected and if its widely being ignored that they could reimpose restrictions. That's the right tone IMO. People are still going to transmit this, but if done in a way that reduces those transmissions we can have about 80% capacity in the economy and see stable or even slightly declining cases. Wasn't flattening the curve the goal? Seems like the goalposts for some have moved to eliminating the virus which could take years.

To me there is no difference in a road construction crew and a lawn mowing/landscaping service. One is legal in Michigan and the other isn’t. Can’t ride a motorcycle because of germs. Wouldn’t it be better for them to be outside rather than inside?

 

[mrbowling300]

https://www.instagram.com/tv/B_V_SfuD9DG/?igshid=fknn270a6tgl

 

[kane]

I read an article on restaurants that have opened in Hong Kong. There are many restrictions, every waiter/waitress wear gloves and masks, every person who enters gets their temperature taken, you can't have more than 4 people at your table, and I can't remember what capacity of the restaurant they're allowed to use, but it was way less than 50%. When restaurants start to open here, there will be similar guidelines, this will be our new normal for a long time

 

[blueline]

Wynn:

Poker: Every other table will be open, and tables are to be staggered. The maximum seating will be established “based on expert guidance,” and dealers should give verbal breaks instead of “tapping in.” Guests will be reminded to sanitize their hands before playing, and food service protocols are to be reviewed.

Supervisors are instructed to sanitize table game rails and chairs after each customer leaves, and sanitize the outside of shufflers every hour and the inside of shufflers once a week. They should also sanitize podiums at least once per hour, including phones, computers and all hard surfaces; and sanitize toke boxes, among other measures.

Chip sanitation solutions are “being reviewed” and pending expert guidance.

— Table games: Every other table will be open, with a maximum of three chairs or guests per table game and four chairs per big baccarat table. There will be three players maximum on each side of dice tables, seating will be removed in the table games lounge and the properties will “discourage unrelated guests from congregating behind players.”

Guests will be reminded to sanitize their hands and wear masks. Cocktail servers and butlers will remain available to serve drinks and food, and baccarat buffet service will be suspended.

A number of cleaning operations have been added to table games. Supervisors are to sanitize table game rails and chair areas after each guest leaves a game. Dealers should sanitize dice for each new shooter, the on and off button when entering a game, and the exterior of the card shoe when entering a game and interior when the game goes dead. Other cleaning procedures, including deep cleaning the players lounge daily, are laid out in the new guidelines.

— Slots: Certain machines will be turned off and chairs will be reconfigured to allow for social distancing. Guests are to remain 6 feet apart while waiting in line at Red Card booths. There will be signage reminding guests to sanitize machines before use and hand-sanitizing stations spread across the casino floor, and slot attendants will offer to sanitize slots for guests at machines. Workstations and slots will be sanitized at least once every four hours.


— Race and sportsbooks: Every other betting station will be closed, and 6-foot intervals will be marked for those standing in line at the ticket window. Seats, carrels and booths will be relocated to allow for social distancing. Supervisors will sanitize race carrels and chairs after each guest and sanitize stations every hour. Ticket writers should sanitize the counter after each guest. Chairs will be sanitized hourly, VIP booths will be sanitized after use and the area will be deep cleaned daily.