Mike Leach
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raycabino
Long Live Wilson!
Will be interesting but at Miss St he will have actual athletes to run the offense so wouldn't shock me if he has success. Look what happened to LSU once they finally put a real offensive system in. Not that Miss St talent is eqivalent to LSU talent but its as a bit better than wash st talent.
kane
EOG master
Sure he'll have better athletes to run his offense, but there will also be better athletes defending it
kane
EOG master
Peterson owned Leach
WildBill
2
Lake was dropping bombs on Leach about how easy it was to beat them since they never changed. WSU is going to be a total shit show for a few years without Leach, but eventually they will be more competitive even with the shitty location they are in that few kids want to go to. I really don't think Leach and his coaches had a clue in recruiting, they figured they would just snap up all the smaller guys that weren't highly rated and would have otherwise gone to FCS schools. New coaches are going to come in and balance things out, kids are leaving California like never before so even WSU can get much better recruits than that clown got.
Sol Diablo
House of Heat
Despite the hate, Leach is a good coach. Not many coaches can win Lubbock and Pullman. He won at both.
At Texas Tech he was 84-43 overall, 47-33 in conference, and never had a losing season. He took the Red Raiders to a bowl game in each of the 10 seasons he was there.
At WSU he was 55-47 and 36-36 in conference. He wins with lesser talent.
His system does have a ceiling and an obvious weakness, which of course gets scrutinized. The Air Raid puts a lot of pressure on the defense.
He will need to recruit better at Miss St if he is going to have the same type of success. As previously stated, he will get better athletes by default. But the competition is a steep step up in class.
At Texas Tech he was 84-43 overall, 47-33 in conference, and never had a losing season. He took the Red Raiders to a bowl game in each of the 10 seasons he was there.
At WSU he was 55-47 and 36-36 in conference. He wins with lesser talent.
His system does have a ceiling and an obvious weakness, which of course gets scrutinized. The Air Raid puts a lot of pressure on the defense.
He will need to recruit better at Miss St if he is going to have the same type of success. As previously stated, he will get better athletes by default. But the competition is a steep step up in class.
Viejo Dinosaur
EOG Master
What exactly had Leech won at Wash State?....maybe a few games but never a conference title....
Good luck to him in the SEC, he is going to need it....hope he doesn’t blame his players for any future shortcomings like he did in Pullman....
Good luck to him in the SEC, he is going to need it....hope he doesn’t blame his players for any future shortcomings like he did in Pullman....
boston massacre
EOG Master
How much CASH They Laying out ?
railbird
EOG Master
wazzu better than missst. He did very well in the IE which is the best county in the nation for recruiting.
Viejo Dinosaur
EOG Master
FairWarning
Bells Beer Connoisseur
I thought you were against analytics? If that stat is true, than it’s a very flawed stat. Replacing a coach at a national power is much harder than replacing someone at Wazzou - just ask USC.
Sol Diablo
House of Heat
I said Leach was a good coach. And provided his resume to back that up.
I never said he was great. We aren't putting him up against Saban and Dabo here. But he has done what very few coaches have. Win in Pullman and Lubbock. With lesser talent. In Power 5 conferences. He not only pulled it off once, but twice.
He's a good/successful coach. There is really no arguing otherwise.
FairWarning
Bells Beer Connoisseur
And those are perfect jobs for him. I think he would fail miserably at an elite program and dealing with the egos of 4 and 5-star recruits.
Sol Diablo
House of Heat
Agree. Turning around struggling programs where it's hard to recruit is his niche. His system has proven to allow lesser athletes to be competitive against more talented programs.
WildBill
2
Mike Price did about the same in Pullman. I'm not saying Leach didn't do good things, but frankly he's an offensive coordinator anywhere else. For his own sake I hope he learns to do things on the other side of the ball because his teams are real easy to beat if you have decent talent.
Sol Diablo
House of Heat
Correct. Price and Leach did what most people have failed at.
Like I said, Leach pulled it off at two spots: Pullman and Lubbock. Price was by and large a failure in his 2nd project at UTEP. Had a couple of decent seasons but was 48-68 overall. Price did take the Cougs to two Rose Bowls. For that reason, he will always be considered the best coach in Wazzu history.
WildBill
2
You are such a fucking clown. If we look at the current messes at USC and UCLA shouldn't we say the WAR of Pete Carroll and Terry Donahue are off the charts compared to Mike Leach?
kane
EOG master
Check out Clemson's record before and after Dabo got there
FairWarning
Bells Beer Connoisseur
What site offers WAR for college coaches?
Now the hard part for replacing Leach is finding a coach who will stay and build/sustain a program. They can get Gramm Harrell, but he's probably gone after a couple of years.
Now the hard part for replacing Leach is finding a coach who will stay and build/sustain a program. They can get Gramm Harrell, but he's probably gone after a couple of years.
Leach will never be a great coach as long as he continues to ignore his defense.
Watch Leach when his D is on the field. He's all by himself on the sideline sometimes as much as 80 yards away from the action. That type of attitude doesn't build for good team morale and turns the O and D against each other into two different teams.
Watch Leach when his D is on the field. He's all by himself on the sideline sometimes as much as 80 yards away from the action. That type of attitude doesn't build for good team morale and turns the O and D against each other into two different teams.
FairWarning
Bells Beer Connoisseur
If you’re a good defensive player with a chance at the NFL, are you going to play for Leach? It’s not the conference to ignore your defense unless he plans on scoring 40+.