Juan Marichal
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Who do you think was best at NBA?
MJ vs Lebron
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Chi_Archie
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there's a new topic
I doubt anyone has any strong opinions on it
I doubt anyone has any strong opinions on it
FairWarning
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The MJ 30 for 30 10 part series starts soon.
GameBred
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I sure don't.
Can u imagine whiny flopping Lebron try to handle the MJ era when they not only played D but teams like Detroit or NYK would lay a bother out cold?
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LOL. Chew, Chew, The Dummy Express coming through.
kane
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The problem is, the guys those players would lay out cold were much smaller than they were, back then guys like Charles Oakley, Anthony Mason, and Rick Mahorn were known as enforcers, Oakley is 6'8 225, Mason 6'7 250, and Mahorn 6'10 240, LeBron James is 6'9 250 of chiseled muscle, LeBron is the same size as those guys, they wouldn't be able to beat him up the way they did other players. Had LeBron played back then, he would drive to the basket, those guys would foul him, and LeBron would go to the free throw line, it's not like it was against Jordan who they could beat up and foul hard, Jordan is 6'6 215, of course he's going down hard against those enforcers, he's giving up inches and weight, not LeBron, he's the same size as those enforcers
GameBred
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You're way too dumb to understand this but all I ask is that you try.
The Era would think LeBron Raymone James Sr. was a fucking Alien.
Either that, or they would think they existed as simulations inside a computer built by someone far more advanced than them and the Inventor was fucking w/ then by living vicariously through LBJ.
Thirdly, in the Multiverse, there doesn't exist a Universe where MJ > LBJ.
Like I said earlier, I don't have a strong opinion on this subject.
GameBred
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Their going to muscle LeBron?.... He is the Muscle.
You are wrong
Exactly why LJ shouldn’t always be flopping and whining.
kane
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That's what I'm saying, the "tough guys" back then, the guys that would knock an opponent on his ass if he dared penetrate the lane were about the same size as LeBron is. Now, the game was more physical back then, so a lot of highlight dunks you see from Lebron today would have instead been 2 foul shots back then, but the guy is 6"9 250 of chiseled muscle, I can't imagine the physicality of the game would have taken too big of a toll on him like it did other starts who played in that era
GameBred
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Lack of knowledge of your own ignorance precludes you from learning because you already think you are right. If you don't notice you are bad at something, you'll never get good at it because you think you already are good.
Do you understand?
GameBred
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Tonality doesn't translate via text, I was backing your play. Basically, putting an exclamation point on your point.
kane
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He doesn't do any more whining than any other player, they all do it, every player thinks he got fouled on offense, and never committed a foul on defense. You can name almost any great player of any generation, and I can promise you that player whined about non calls, of course there are exceptions
GameBred
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Kane, Heisenberg is an iidiot. It doesn't matter if LBJ is the biggest whiner in the history of the LG, he is still better than anyone who has ever played.
kane
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Oh I got what you meant, I was just adding on an additional thought. Another tough guy, Larry Johnson of the Knicks 6'7 250, LeBron is the same size. I don't know who the tough guy enforcer was back then that could have put LeBron on his ass since LeBron is just as big as they were
GameBred
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It doesn't matter if it turns out LBJ is a Serial Killer. If so, he should do life in Prison but that doesn't negate the fact that he is the best to ever do it on the Court.
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kane
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He's not an idiot, he's just a hater. I don't know why he dislikes LeBron so much, especially cause I know Heisey isn't a big NBA fan, or at least I don't think he is, but I'm sure he has his reasons
GameBred
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He doesn't know dick about the NBA and he is an idiot because the defintion of ignorance is having an opinion on something that you know nothing about.
GameBred
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That MoFo has got PTSD from all the beatings we have given him over the years.
kane
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I'm a big NBA fan, it's my favorite sport, been following the league close since the early 80's, personally I've never seen a better all around player than LeBron, If someone thinks different, that's fine, but when you take every aspect of the game into account, no one has ever done it better than LeBron imo. And I don't care how many rings he has, how many finals he lost, I don't care about stats or records, LeBron James is the best basketball player I've ever seen, period
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kane
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Yeah, but he can't help himself, it's like a moth to a flame, as soon as he sees this thread, he'll be in here with his cherry picked data and his silly you tube videos
GameBred
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If we could somehow convince CompterBob to compute their respective Shapley Values, I would bet your life and mine that LBJ destroys MJ in that category.
IWishIWasAPro
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I didnt even have to look, I already knew gamebred would be in here.
GameBred
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What else does the poor guy have?
GameBred
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LOL. I don't always bite w/ this stuff but I have some extra time nowadays.... Hell, even if I was busy, I'd probably still be in here
GameBred
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What's an LBJ, EOG thread w/out me resorting to childish name calling? Empty, that's what it is.
I can't help it, ignorance is the bane of my existence.
kane
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Heisey is one of the best posters here, he's a classy guy, I would never call him an idiot, I think he's wrong about LeBron, but he's always been a first class poster. He thinks LeBron whines too much, and maybe he's right, but all the stars whine when they don't get a call. If I had a dollar for every time D Wade didn't hustle back on defense because he was too busy arguing with a ref I would be a millionaire
Chi_Archie
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I like my NBA stars to not be first round losers and playoff losers
MJ's teams got ousted in the first round, 3 times.
I don't think that ever happened to a Lebron James team.
MJ's teams got ousted in the first round, 3 times.
I don't think that ever happened to a Lebron James team.
GameBred
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GameBred
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I don't think so either.
Yeah, MJ is 6-0 in the Finals..... when he got there., It's a great accomplishment but it takes a Village to win a Ring and that doesn't mean he is GOAT. If it's a ring contest, Russell is far and away GOAT.
I've never heard any MJ guy say that he is a better all-around player than LBJ, never. All they ever say is, 6-0. That's not an argument, at least how I understand how to construct one. It's a point that deserves weight and consideration, it's not, "Checkmate." and if it was, once again, Russell is the Chess Champ.
FairWarning
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I thought it was pretty much assumed that MJ was a better all-around player(certainly no worse) than LBJ.
GameBred
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Of course you would think that.... you probably still think UniBorn wouldn't have eclipsed your 54 wins. Which was about 4 over their Preseaon Expectations.... which were a joke to begin with.
GameBred
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Do you see the problem here and I'm seriously trying to teach you something because I don't dislike you.
Your asumptions rarely pass empirical testing. Mine, pass w/ flying colors. Maybe not always but calibration is a property of averages and you of all people know my NBA opinions are pretty well calibrated.
kane
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Assumed by LeBron haters maybe, but not by those who truly understand and watch the game. FW, LeBron has a chance to become the league's all time leading scorer, and scoring isn't his best skill, stop and let that marinate for a minute. He could end up scoring more points than anyone who ever played the game, and scoring isn't even what he's best at, that's mind boggling to me
Chi_Archie
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not all around.
I'd give the nod to Michael. On defense in general for his position.
Although Lebron's defense is pretty good and he has been defensive player of the year runner up twice. Some thought he might get it this year.
I think Jordan had 2?
Lebron a much better Rebounder and Passer
Michael was way more spectacular and he scored a bit more, but he shot a significant amount more.
MJ had 16% more shots per game career avg
LJ has 19% more assists per game career avg
LJ has 39% more rebounds per game career avg
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