My Monday blog

John Kelly

Born Gambler
Staff member
Gambling is easy, winning is difficult.

However, the combination of dogged research and successful decision implementation makes a sports bettor's task much easier and far more realistic.

The more you know about a sport and its corresponding betting market, the better the chance for gambling success.

Is it more important to generate winning plays or avoid losing ones?

Yes is the smart-aleck response.

One thing's for sure: If you're losing, you must stop losing (or stop playing) before you start winning.

Nobody transitions from a losing gambler to a winning gambler overnight.

There are steps to climb, levels to achieve and concepts to conquer before arriving in the winner's circle.

A sports handicapper who connects with only half his plays is not going to improve to the 55% level with a simple tweak here or a minor adjustment there.

In fact, the break-even rate of 52.38% at odds of 11/10 is a long way from the coin-flipping rate of 50%

Successful sports betting requires the assessment of risk and reward through the application of probabilistic analysis on the likelihood of possible outcomes.

The learning curve is steep.

Eye On Gaming contributor SPORTSRMYLIFE recently posted a series of goals for the new year.

One of his eight goals was learning the tricks of the sports betting trade by surrounding himself with smart people.

Iron sharpens iron when clever minds are able to collaborate.

Here are five lessons learned from some of the sharpest minds here at EOG:

VOODOO - To judge if a sports bettor has a chance to win, show me how many betting outlets are at his disposal.

The true professional has at least 10-12 reliable outs where he can access a full range of available pointspreads and confidently wager thousands of dollars without fear of rejection or banishment.

VOODOO also searches for wagers where the house creates a homemade line without the proper data evaluation necessary to make an efficient price.

He likes to attack the NFL look-ahead pointspreads posted at Westgate 12 days ahead of kickoff.

NEVERAGAIN - Casino life can be glamorous and dangerous at the same time.

High-level sports betting is risky business.

Stay away from booze, hookers, table games and video poker.

"These leaks can wipe out your bankroll faster than anything in Las Vegas," wrote the astute EOG contributor.

SKINNY - Future-book betting is like chess.

You have to think four, five or six moves in advance.

EOG contributor SKINNY recently bet Dayton at odds of 200/1 (Westgate) to win the 2020 NCAA Basketball Tournament.

"I made a $200 wager on Dayton right after the Flyers beat Virginia Tech in Maui," said the native of New Castle, Pennsylvania who first arrived in Las Vegas in the early 1980's.

SKINNY loves the play of Obi Toppin, the 6-foot-9 do-everything sophomore for Dayton.

Ken Pomeroy currently rates Dayton as the seventh-best team in the country.

SKINNY will be satisfied by a #2 or #3 seed when the tournament arrives in mid-March.

COMPTRBOB - Take a long, hard look at in-game wagering.

Bob maintains there are weaknesses in the algorithms employed by the leading sports books which produce vulnerable live-wagering prices.

Like most shrewd gamblers with an edge, Bob refuses to share his insight on betting the game when the ball is in the air.

Bob volunteered the following thought: There's not a lot of value left in the sports betting world before the season starts or before the games begin.

MACAU - Don't bet into hard numbers.

Betting NFL games one hour before kickoff is one of the biggest mistakes made by recreational gamblers.

Those are hard numbers.

The inexperienced gambler supports popular NFL teams late in the betting cycle and the newbie is not shrewd enough to properly fade the moves.

At odds of 11/10, there are not a lot of good bets still on the betting board late in the week.

Good bets disappear quickly while bad bets are available all week long.


LOOKING AHEAD.....Northwestern's basketball team is playing short-handed.

No Buie, no Gaines, no Turner.

Three sophomores and three freshmen are among Northwestern's top seven contributors right now.

The team lacks talent but not effort, especially on the defensive end of the floor.

Love the on-ball defense of young point guard Ryan Greer.

The team's first-shot defense was solid against Minnesota last night, but too many second-chance points led to a 77-68 loss.

Look for the 'Cats to play slow offensively and defend as a pack (help defense, group rebounds, fouls on the floor, etc.) this Wednesday night in Bloomington against Indiana.

Pomeroy (www.kenpom.com) projects a 74-64 final in favor of the home team, but I doubt either team will reach those numbers with NU's limited roster.

NU head coach Chris Collins will play low and slow.
 
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ComptrBob

EOG Master
Pomeroy ratings really seem broken.

Dayton is 19th in the Sagarin predictor. I have them 17th in my ratings. Polls seem about right.

KenPom has 13-2 #7 Dayton with 152nd adjEM (SOS) while #12 Auburn at 13-0 has adjEM of 95th. So Auburn is undefeated & same # of wins with a tougher schedule and somehow 5 spots behind?

Not that I'm much of a believer in these relative small samples.
 

Valuist

EOG Master
I'm guessing win margin must have something to do with Pomeroy having Dayton five spots ahead of Auburn.
 

WeinketoWarrick

EOG Master
“Good bets disappear quickly while bad bets are available all week long.”

Disagree with this. Good bets are available just as long as bad bets.
 

ComptrBob

EOG Master
I did notice one difference that may change the ratings slightly: KenPom updates frequently during the day while Sagarin updates only after all the days games are over. So KenPom has factored in Dayton's win today over St. Joes, but that shouldn't account for the all the difference.
 

skinny

EOG Addicted
I bet Dayton at Westgate, not William Hill.
Wh had Dayton in the field.
Did take witcha at 250-1 at wh.
 

ComptrBob

EOG Master
Lunardi projecting Dayton as a 4 seed, but his early projections aren't too likely to be on the money. BTW, Auburn is projected as a 2 seed.
 

skinny

EOG Addicted
Would not be interested in hedging anything in the early rounds, but if either team made it to the final four I would certainly lock up a profit.
How much would depend on the matchup and the price of the game.
I do believe Dayton can win it all.
 

John Kelly

Born Gambler
Staff member
“Good bets disappear quickly while bad bets are available all week long.”

Disagree with this. Good bets are available just as long as bad bets.


Not true, I would argue, Weinke.

Once the pointspread hits a certain mark, both sides of the wager are bad bets at odds of 11/10.

In theory, there are going to be many more bad bets than good bets when the house edge of 4.54% is factored in.
 

TobyTyler

EOG Dedicated
Dayton can still be had at +4000 at cple of nj books, i think i have to jump in on that.

Cple Obi dunks from other day were pretty awesome
 

John Kelly

Born Gambler
Staff member
He's got the size and strength to compete with NBA guys like Kawhi, LeBron, KD and Giannis.

The only downside: He's listed as a sophomore but he turns 22 in March.
 
Just my theory, but I think winning margin is more useful for regular season comparisons, but is not that important come tournament time. Couple of quality losses on their schedule so far, but this team will probably only get one easy game against these types of teams they are walloping and then its 5 hard challenging games to a title. At 40/1 or whatever reduced numbers you are seeing now I can't even fathom making that bet. At 250/1 sure a few bucks on a flyer (pun intended) makes sense.
 

ComptrBob

EOG Master
At 40/1 or whatever reduced numbers you are seeing now I can't even fathom making that bet. At 250/1 sure a few bucks on a flyer (pun intended) makes sense.

Gotta correct the odds are only 200/1 on a flyer, but Skinny got 250/1 on a shocker.
 

Fezzik

EOG Veteran
You will have to look long and hard to find a worse bet than UD at 40-1.

MAYBE the Flyers have value at 100-1.

IF they WAY overachieve they make the Elite 8.

You really think the crooked committed is going give them a good seed??? Or draw??? no way.....


And it they make the elite 8, you are staring at +150, +200 +200 or so. I would think..............

1 to 2.5
2.5 to 7.5
7.5 to 22.5

So thats fair odds at 21.5-1 IF they make the Elite 8
 

Fezzik

EOG Veteran
You will have to look long and hard to find a worse bet than UD at 40-1.

MAYBE the Flyers have value at 100-1.

IF they WAY overachieve they make the Elite 8.

You really think the crooked committed is going give them a good seed??? Or draw??? no way.....


And it they make the elite 8, you are staring at +150, +200 +200 or so. I would think..............

1 to 2.5
2.5 to 7.5
7.5 to 22.5

So thats fair odds at 21.5-1 IF they make the Elite 8

And their chances of getting there might be 1/3 AT BEST

So 63-1 looks like the back of the envelope spend 30 sec pricing it number is. And I think I am being too generous......
 
And their chances of getting there might be 1/3 AT BEST

So 63-1 looks like the back of the envelope spend 30 sec pricing it number is. And I think I am being too generous......

This is exactly why good bets in the future book are few and far between. Suckers fall for a big number not realizing an on the fly parlay will pay off better 99% of the time. Then bettors have the absolute worst money management on futures play so they almost have to hedge out of them otherwise the results of the one play become way too crucial to their end results.
 

ComptrBob

EOG Master
I did notice one difference that may change the ratings slightly: KenPom updates frequently during the day while Sagarin updates only after all the days games are over. So KenPom has factored in Dayton's win today over St. Joes, but that shouldn't account for the all the difference.

So Dayton moved to #18 Sagarin Predictor after the Sunday games, no real difference than before. Going over each game, I came to the conclusion that perhaps KenPom ignores Dayton's two overtime losses as well as Auburn's overtime win. This of course is not justified, but it seems to be the only salient difference.

I agree with Fezzik that 40/1 on Dayton to win it all is a horrible bet.

The committee already will probably have Gonzaga and Butler as the "small school" (used to be "Cinderellas") high seeds so Dayton in a mediocre A10 conference (no other team in the Top 40, rated 8th in Sagarin, just above the WCC) will be hard pressed to get a #3 seed. Lunardi has an updated projection that still has Dayton as a #4 seed. Ironically he has Wichita State in the same region (East) as a #5 seed so they would meet if both win Round 1 and the winner to meet Duke in Round 3 (such projection has almost no chance of being the right matchups in March, but somewhat typical) .
 
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TobyTyler

EOG Dedicated
"EOG contributor SKINNY recently bet Dayton at odds of 200/1 (Westgate) to win the 2020 NCAA Basketball Tournament"

Sick ticket! Seeing #1 seed now in cple places

I have them at +4000
 
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