My Monday blog

John Kelly

Born Gambler
Staff member
Indianapolis is an underrated sports city.

The Indianapolis Colts of the NFL and Indiana Pacers of the NBA are the city's two major sports franchises, but neither team's home venue -- Lucas Oil Stadium nor Bankers Life Fieldhouse -- ranks as the top sports destination in town.

That distinction belongs to either an historic basketball arena or the world's most famous speedway.

I visited both Hinkle Fieldhouse and the Indianapolis Motor Speedway over Memorial Day weekend and I give the slight nod to Hinkle.

Of course, the winning entry is in the eye of the beholder.

A love of basketball and a distaste for auto racing made me predisposed to vote for Hinkle Fieldhouse.

How's this for a sports tripleheader?

Spend Sunday afternoon witnessing the greatest spectacle in racing, stop at Butler University for a tour of legendary Hinkle Fieldhouse and then watch late-night sports action at the Winner's Circle Pub in downtown Indianapolis where William Hill features a well-appointed race and sports book operation.

William Hill listed Indy 500 winner Helio Castroneves at odds of 28/1 to win this year's race.

I thoroughly enjoyed the rich traditions of the Indy 500, from the singing of "Back Home Again in Indiana" to the awesome power of a U.S. Air Force flyover to one of the most famous commands in sports, "Gentlemen, start your engines."

But the best part of my day was a first-ever trip to Hinkle Fieldhouse.

Here's what I learned about Butler's home court and the former site of Indiana's famed high school basketball tournament:

Opened in 1928, the building debuted as Butler Fieldhouse before getting a name change in 1965 to honor Butler's longtime coach and athletic director, Paul "Tony" Hinkle.

Interestingly, Hinkle is credited with working with Spalding to change the color of the basketball from dark brown to orange in the late 1950's.

Hinkle once received high praise from the man considered by many to be greatest college basketball coach of all-time.

John Wooden, who played high school basketball games at Butler Fieldhouse as a teenager in the late 1920's, cited Hinkle as an outstanding coach and leader.

From Wooden himself, "I know of no coach who ever came closer to getting full potential out of the talent available to him than Tony Hinkle."

That's still a great way to judge a basketball coach, or a coach of any team sport, as long as your eye test is confirmed by a head coach's winning point spread record.

And Hinkle is not the only head coach to create headlines for Butler basketball.

Barry Collier started a winning tradition at Butler in the late 1990's, a tradition improved upon by Thad Matta, Todd Lickliter and eventually Brad Stevens, who famously led the Bulldogs to back-to-back championship game appearances in 2010 and 2011, losing as a #5-seed by only two points to #1-seed Duke and unexpectedly returning as a #8-seed only to lose by 12 points to a streaking third-seeded Connecticut squad.

Butler University has parlayed its success on the basketball court to success in the admissions department.

Accomplished high school students are more aware of Butler's academic offerings after the basketball team gained international acclaim as an underdog squad focused on playing "The Butler Way."

A sign inside the men's basketball office details the program's philosophy: The Butler Way demands commitment, denies selfishness, accepts reality, yet seeks improvement every day while putting the team above self.

A 1986 movie titled Hoosiers, starring Gene Hackman, also provided positive notice for Hinkle Fieldhouse.

The final scenes of the successful movie production (cost was $6 million, box office receipts totaled nearly $30 million) were filmed at Hinkle Fieldhouse, site of the 1954 state basketball championship for which the film was loosely-based.

The late film critic Roger Ebert once described Hoosiers as "a movie that's all heart."

It's no coincidence Hoosiers was released in 1986 and Hinkle Fieldhouse one year later was named a National Historical Landmark.

No video screens, no escalators and no air conditioning at Hinkle Fieldhouse but the lack of modern amenities are offset by a sense of basketball tradition and a strong home-court advantage bolstered by a basketball-savvy fan base.

When asked if the small parking lot in front of Hinkle Fieldhouse is a problem for the venue, I was told many of the school's alumni and season ticketholders live near campus and walk to the games.

Capacity in recent years has been reduced from 15,000 to 9,000 to make room for more comfortable seats in the lower sections of the arena.

I saved my favorite Hinkle Fieldhouse story for last.

It involves a conversation with a well-informed member of the Hinkle Fieldhouse security team.

Gamblers who have watched matinee basketball games at Hinkle are well aware of the sunlight that shines on the court from the iconic windows high atop the old fieldhouse.

Of course, we've seen glare play a factor in baseball games, football games and even hockey games (think Winter Classic), but it's an extremely rare situation at an indoor basketball game.

The blinding glare adversely affects the clarity/contrast of the television coverage as well as the shooting percentages of the teams forced to deal with it.

Enter Derrick, the security guard.

My ears perked up when I overheard him say, "The NCAA was really mad with us this past March when we failed to cover the windows for the first game of the tournament."

The first NCAA tournament game at Hinkle Fieldhouse was a Friday afternoon contest (start time was 12:15 ET) between Florida and Virginia Tech.

The game was competitively-priced with Florida a slight 1.5-point favorite and a total of 134.

How much do you bet on UNDER 134 if you know the players are going to struggle shooting the basketball with a bright strip of sunlight nearly two feet wide, intersecting the lane between the free-throw line and the restricted circle, stretching across most of the width (50 feet) of the court on the north end?

Wait 'til you hear the results.

But first, I peppered the Hinkle Fieldhouse employee with questions.

Was there talk of covering the windows at halftime? (No)

Did you cover the windows for subsequent games? (Yes)

Did anyone besides the NCAA criticize the Butler staff for the snafu? (Yes)

CBS color commentator Bill Raftery caused a stir when he joked to broadcast partner Jim Nantz that "maybe we could chip in for shades" to improve the shooting conditions for the young players.

Unlike some broadcasters who are climbing the professional ladder, Raftery, at age 78, has the "onions" to say whatever he thinks.

Refreshing, to say the least.

But here's the heartbreaking news if a gambler had secured some inside info from Hinkle Fieldhouse.

A bet on UNDER 134 should have won after only 128 points were scored when the buzzer sounded at the end of regulation.

Only one problem.

Tech's left-handed shooting guard Nahiem Alleyne nailed a 25-foot jumper to tie the game with only 1.4 seconds remaining on the clock.

The scoreboard read: Florida 64 Virginia Tech 64.

As sportscaster Dan Patrick would say in a slow, drawn-out voice, "Oooooo-ver-time."

Final score: Florida 75 Virginia Tech 70 (OT).

The totals edge was sabotaged by a five-minute overtime period.

But upon further review, a bigger edge came in the form of first-half bets and halftime wagers based on the more favorable side of the court.

The team shooting into the sun, so to speak, lost each half by six points and lost the five-minute overtime session by five points.

Lesson learned.
 
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John Kelly

Born Gambler
Staff member
Sidenote: Why do some teams adopt a city name and other teams in the same city carry the state's name?

The Colts and Pacers both play in downtown Indianapolis.

Their stadiums are within a mile of one another.

Yet, the Colts are from Indianapolis and the Pacers are from Indiana.

Hmmm...
 

John Kelly

Born Gambler
Staff member
WARNING: X-rated content below.

The top-selling t-shirt at the Indianapolis 500 was politically-incorrect.

The front of the shirt read: Joe bl*ws and Kamala sw*llows.

On the back of the shirt: Fuck Joe & The Hoe.

As expected, the crowd at the Indy 500 was overwhelmingly white males.

Only the ticket scalpers were black.
 

John Kelly

Born Gambler
Staff member
A liberal Democrat was spotted driving near the speedway.

Her bumper sticker read, "Don't confuse your racism for patriotism."

This note was offered in the interest of fair play and equal time.

Hehe.
 

winkyduck

TYVM Morgan William!!!
How's this for a sports tripleheader?

Spend Sunday afternoon witnessing the greatest spectacle in racing, stop at Butler University for a tour of legendary Hinkle Fieldhouse and then watch late-night sports action at the Winner's Pub in downtown Indianapolis where William Hill features a well-appointed race and sports book operation.

I feel very confident I can - and did - beat it in Sept. 2009:

Wednesday: Fly from John Wayne to O'Hare
Thursday: Go to Wrigley to see Cubs/Brewskies......after the game drive 100-ish miles to Elkhart, IN
Friday: Tour the Notre Dame campus, including the massive bookstore then go to the Pep Rally
Saturday: Watch Notre Dame beat Sparty by 3 (But laying 10 and I had Sparty for the cover) and by dumb luck find out we were sitting above the Student Section meaning after the game they sang Alma Mater right in front of us. After the game make a 300 miles drive taking 5.5 hours and arrive in Green Bay at 1A.
Sunday: Wake up early and head over to Lambeau to see the Packers host the Bengals - the same game where Ochocinco did The Lambeau Leap after scoring a TD. Bungals won SU, even. Because it was a "Milwaukie home game" traffic on the highway heading back to Chicago was bumper-to-bumper so we went to Favre's Steakhouse for a meal and our server, a cute 18-21 y/o, told us she has never been outside of the Green Bay area. As for the food - not bad.
Monday: Fly home

I challenge anyone to beat this - 3 iconic venues in 3 different sports in a 72-hour period and all by driving and not boarding a plane to get to any games once we landed.
 

winkyduck

TYVM Morgan William!!!
Hard to beat Wrigley, Notre Dame Stadium and Lambeau driving in a 72-hour period.

True story: So at Lambeau we are in the last row of the place, somewhat near Press Box side which was nice since in 4Q we were in the shade and that was great because it was about 90 Degrees (I wore shorts and a light T-shirt along with a Cap and baked my brains out the entire game . Frozen Tundra of Lambeau Field - my ass! The guy next to us says for GB games his seats are on the 40. He sees the Notre Dame lanyard I am wearing. It held my ticket for the game. So he asks me when did I see a game there. I look him dead in the eyes and say, "Last Night." He looks at me like I am out of my bleeping mind and that I am lying. So I flip the lanyard over to show him the other side and my ticket for the Notre Dame game the night before. He gave me an incredulous look and had many questions for me. I answered them all saying we would never do it again but were glad we did. The look in his eyes was priceless.
 

Rockfish

EOG Veteran
Another fantastic Monday Blog. i learn something new every time i read one. if you write another 38,500 of them i will be at average intelligence. Job well done JK.
 

Rockfish

EOG Veteran
True story: So at Lambeau we are in the last row of the place, somewhat near Press Box side which was nice since in 4Q we were in the shade and that was great because it was about 90 Degrees (I wore shorts and a light T-shirt along with a Cap and baked my brains out the entire game . Frozen Tundra of Lambeau Field - my ass! The guy next to us says for GB games his seats are on the 40. He sees the Notre Dame lanyard I am wearing. It held my ticket for the game. So he asks me when did I see a game there. I look him dead in the eyes and say, "Last Night." He looks at me like I am out of my bleeping mind and that I am lying. So I flip the lanyard over to show him the other side and my ticket for the Notre Dame game the night before. He gave me an incredulous look and had many questions for me. I answered them all saying we would never do it again but were glad we did. The look in his eyes was priceless.

i am sure i am not the only one here that is not surprised you were wearing your lanyard from the Notre Dame game at Lambeau. Did you also staple the cub game ticket stub to your shirt? Still a great road trip you did there.
 

winkyduck

TYVM Morgan William!!!
i am sure i am not the only one here that is not surprised you were wearing your lanyard from the Notre Dame game at Lambeau. Did you also staple the cub game ticket stub to your shirt? Still a great road trip you did there.

I wore the lanyard so I could keep the ticket in good shape. I still have the ticket today and it is in great shape. The Cub ticket was something we bought on Stub Hub so don't have that.

I will also give a solid bit of advice to anyone attending a ND game: Buy the program the day before (If you can) at the bookstore. This way it is in good shape and not ruined at the game. It also costs LESS buying it not at the game.
 

John Kelly

Born Gambler
Staff member
And here's a tip about betting Note Dame games, compliments of the late Bill Ford:

If you're going to wager on Note Dame's opponent, place the wager before attending the Friday night pep rally.

If you attend the rally, you're likely to support the fired-up home team.

Haha.
 
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winkyduck

TYVM Morgan William!!!
And here's a tip about betting Note Dame games compliments of the late Bill Ford:

If you're going to wager on Note Dame's opponent, place the wager before attending the Friday night pep rally.

If you attend the rally, you're likely to support the fired-up home team.

Haha.

100% agree. You leave the Pep Rally thinking ND is gonna win the next day 95-0. But the Pep Rally is AWESOME to attend

But I actually went to the PR and after bet on Sparty +10 since I could see thru all the B.S.
 

ouch

EOG Dedicated
For those who are enamored by Hinkle Field House, you need to visit the Palestra in Philadelphia, which for my money is the greatest college basketball venue ever.

Back in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, all of the city series games (between Villanova, St. Joes, Penn, LaSalle and Temple) were played in that building. The stands would be evenly split between the fans of the two teams playing. Even though the place only sat 9,200 people, the acoustics made it sound like there were 30,000 fans in the building. The noise would be deafening, and the amount of classic games played there was amazing.

Back in the day, they would play doubleheaders there, bringing in a nationally ranked team to play a Philadelphia team in the first game, and then play a city series game in the second game. On other nights, Penn would play an Ivy League opponent in the first game (back when the Ivy League had some really good teams,) and the second game would be either a City Series game or a Philly team taking on a big boy from some other region of the country.

It is not what it once was because all of the Philly teams now have their own home courts, but the building has history galore.

Much of that history is shown on the walls in the lobbies surrounding the court.

And if you think some great high school games have been played at Hinklel, check out some of the high school players and teams who have played at the Palestra over the years.
 

winkyduck

TYVM Morgan William!!!
For those who are enamored by Hinkle Field House, you need to visit the Palestra in Philadelphia, which for my money is the greatest college basketball venue ever.

You sound like Alan Boston

He can't go more than 5 minutes without mentioning the Palestra and how great it was. For him talking about it is like Viagra
 
Sidenote: Why do some teams adopt a city name and other teams in the same city carry the state's name?

The Colts and Pacers both play in downtown Indianapolis.

Their stadiums are within a mile of one another.

Yet, the Colts are from Indianapolis and the Pacers are from Indiana.

Hmmm...
In Denver all 4 sports teams play within a 5-10 min walk from each other. 2 Denver's and 2 Colorado's. Seams to me the more recent teams Rockies (93) and Avalanche (96) as opposed to the older teams Broncos (60) Rockets/Nuggets (67/74) got the Colorado moniker because it was more inclusive to the state as a whole, whether you lived up north in Fort Collins or down south in Pueblo Colorado was your team.
 
I think the two facilities you mentioned first JK are some of the best in each league. I went for the Final Four a few years ago and went to a Pacers game on Friday and then the tourney games on Saturday and Monday. I came away very impressed with Bankers Life, it reminds me of a baseball stadium concourse with lots of stuff around and a more appealing concourse than most arenas very bland concrete looks. Sightlines were great too, nice to go into an arena built for basketball and not multi-purpose which messes up the views. And then Lucas Oil is very distinctive with the natural light coming in and the sightlines were good too, albeit basketball viewing from upstairs is not ideal. I could imagine though football is great there.

On that same trip we went to see Butler and walked into Hinkle to see it. I was with a family member who hails from Raleigh and we went to Cameron Indoor before and did the same thing just walking around on a Sunday. Hinkle is definitely unique and the natural light is almost strange and the Butler campus is nice, but I can't say I would enjoy regular games there. Maybe go to see it once like going to see a historic ballpark knowing you don't get much in the way of amenities, but it didn't feel as intimate or that it would create the typical home court edge you get in a place like Cameron where the small space makes it feel really intimidating.
 
In Denver all 4 sports teams play within a 5-10 min walk from each other. 2 Denver's and 2 Colorado's. Seams to me the more recent teams Rockies (93) and Avalanche (96) as opposed to the older teams Broncos (60) Rockets/Nuggets (67/74) got the Colorado moniker because it was more inclusive to the state as a whole, whether you lived up north in Fort Collins or down south in Pueblo Colorado was your team.

Whats really weird is the Broncos are truly a Colorado team. You go to a game and you'll find your neighbor is a season ticket holder from places like Grand Junction or Durango, both like 6 hour drives away. I think they have said before Bronco season ticket holders reside in virtually every other state.
 
Whats really weird is the Broncos are truly a Colorado team. You go to a game and you'll find your neighbor is a season ticket holder from places like Grand Junction or Durango, both like 6 hour drives away. I think they have said before Bronco season ticket holders reside in virtually every other state.
I can believe it. They owned this whole region for years. From as far up as Montana, Idaho and South Dakota the neighboring states Utah, Wyoming, New Mexico, Nebraska shit even half the state of Kansas are lifelong Broncos fans.
 

winkyduck

TYVM Morgan William!!!
Whats really weird is the Broncos are truly a Colorado team. You go to a game and you'll find your neighbor is a season ticket holder from places like Grand Junction or Durango, both like 6 hour drives away. I think they have said before Bronco season ticket holders reside in virtually every other state.

I went to one Broncos game in Denver. Opening MNF game of 1999 season. I walked thru the parking lot before the game. I saw plates from practically every state nearby: AZ, NM, UT, MT, ID, KS and more. I think the better name for the Broncos would be: Rocky Mountain Broncos.......since that is more fitting for the fan base they have
 
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