National Handicapping Championship 2021
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I remember Chicago trainer Joe Kasperski or his son doing well and he having a winner at $19 or $20 during the tourney. But what about Paul and Duke Matties? Their brother Greg is a trainer on the NYRA circuit and the brothers have won a bunch of big tournaments. Seems like a conflict of interest, IMO,
Good thing Yaupon's tongue was hanging out the left side of his mouth.
Crazy happening.
Firenze Fire made two or three attempts to bite Yaupon.
Think Mike Tyson.
I'd love to see the number of six-figure Pick 6 scores taken down by racing insiders.
If you're not on the inside, you're on the outside.
If you're not on the inside, you're on the outside.
richsox24
EOG Master
If the 8 would have won the photo, is biting your opponent grounds for DQ?
blueline
EOG Master
LOUISVILLE, KY (Friday, May 18, 2012) - Paul McGee thought he secured his 300th career training win at Churchill Downs when Chilled won a close photo finish in Friday's $57,528 allowance feature, but the 49-year-old Louisville native was denied the milestone when Kentucky Horse Racing Commission stewards disqualified his colt to second for trying to savage Zimmer near the finish line.
Jack Mandato's Zimmer raced in second behind Chilled through an opening quarter-mile in :24.29 and then drew even with the early pacesetter and the two set fractions of :48.83 and 1:13.42. Zimmer, a 6-year-old son of Empire Maker, took a slight lead at the three-eighths pole and drew more than a length clear in the stretch. Chilled battled back on the inside and the two drew even again inside the eighth pole.
Nearing the wire, Chilled turned his head and attempted to savage his rival. The two then hit the wire with Chilled coming out a nose in front. A steward's inquiry followed the race and it was determined that Chilled "intimidated" Zimmer which cost him the victory, according to KHRC chief steward Barbara Borden. Therefore, Chilled was disqualified and placed second and Zimmer was promoted to first.
Jack Mandato's Zimmer raced in second behind Chilled through an opening quarter-mile in :24.29 and then drew even with the early pacesetter and the two set fractions of :48.83 and 1:13.42. Zimmer, a 6-year-old son of Empire Maker, took a slight lead at the three-eighths pole and drew more than a length clear in the stretch. Chilled battled back on the inside and the two drew even again inside the eighth pole.
Nearing the wire, Chilled turned his head and attempted to savage his rival. The two then hit the wire with Chilled coming out a nose in front. A steward's inquiry followed the race and it was determined that Chilled "intimidated" Zimmer which cost him the victory, according to KHRC chief steward Barbara Borden. Therefore, Chilled was disqualified and placed second and Zimmer was promoted to first.
trytrytry
All I do is trytrytry
yes yes yes
Not every groom on the backside has 10 fingers.
#DangerousGame
It's amazing the large percentage of grooms and hotwalkers who display a hitch in their giddyup.
#DangerousGame
It's amazing the large percentage of grooms and hotwalkers who display a hitch in their giddyup.
Horses bite AND kick.
Trainer Karl Broberg just won the St. Louis Derby tonight with Flash of Mischief at the old Fairmount Park.
The race carried a $250,000 purse.
The race carried a $250,000 purse.
Blueline,
Do you know Frank Mustari? His 26 year old son took down the $750k first prize for this tourney. Frank is a VERY sharp handicapper. Apparently his son learned well. I knew Frank fairly well back in the 90s....often would sit with him and Santucci in the Arlington OTB. I've seen him a few times in the past 15 years, always at tourneys at the Orleans.
Do you know Frank Mustari? His 26 year old son took down the $750k first prize for this tourney. Frank is a VERY sharp handicapper. Apparently his son learned well. I knew Frank fairly well back in the 90s....often would sit with him and Santucci in the Arlington OTB. I've seen him a few times in the past 15 years, always at tourneys at the Orleans.
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Neveragain
EOG Dedicated
Correct.
Many years ago I briefly worked at a thoroughbred horse farm consisting mostly of broodmares, babies and yearlings.
The morning feeding routine was to deliver breakfast to each stall in clockwise order.
The last stall to be fed was occupied by a 4 year old gelding jumping horse owned by the stable manager.
I can remember on my first or second day bringing the food bucket to his stall as the last horse to be fed
when he practically ripped his food bucket out of my hands.
He became the first horse to be fed each morning thereafter.
Horses have their own unique personalities. Just like dogs and other animals and people of course.
Thanks for sharing, NEVERAGAIN.
Horses have a range of vision of nearly 360 degrees.
They don't have eyes in the back of their head, but close to it.
It's important to keep this fact in mind when watching race replays and analyzing past performances.
Horses have a range of vision of nearly 360 degrees.
They don't have eyes in the back of their head, but close to it.
It's important to keep this fact in mind when watching race replays and analyzing past performances.
blueline
EOG Master
Know the name.
Would probably know the face if I saw it bit dont know him.
Absolutely. If I was running things, any savaging incident would be an automatic DQ to dead last. And the trainer would definitely get fined.
These savaging incidents, however rare, are a reminder about the dangers of the game.
Horse racing also is a dangerous game for undisciplined gamblers near the betting window.
Horse racing also is a dangerous game for undisciplined gamblers near the betting window.
i am guessing Frank had a piece of his Kid's entry.
Valuist i am sure you remember Frank was a top softball player in the Chicago area back in the 90's. He was paid to play on teams. he would frequently be at Arlington in his softball uniform.
Yep. He was on a team sponsored by Lettuce Entertain You. I played baseball against him in high school. He ended up playing in the Dodgers organization. Think he got up to Double A.
Ray Luca
EOG Master
Agree there's so many forms of speed figures, one can't just say "top figure" because Beyer, T-Graph, Ragozin, TimeformUS or Equibase may all have different horses. And I know there's other data sources.
blueline
EOG Master
The "top number" line was more of a throwaway line just pointing out the horse had a shot to someone skimming the thread.
My post was more about Matties' training activity than assessing the horse's chances.
Wonder how NYRA views a small barn shipping out to run....don't know how they handle stall allocation.
FTR the " number" I was referring to is a number put out by the person who makes the variant for the stuff I use.
Going in Matties was 78 vs a 75 for the horse who won the race.
Using FPS Matties was about 1.5 lengths faster than the winner going in.
My post was more about Matties' training activity than assessing the horse's chances.
Wonder how NYRA views a small barn shipping out to run....don't know how they handle stall allocation.
FTR the " number" I was referring to is a number put out by the person who makes the variant for the stuff I use.
Going in Matties was 78 vs a 75 for the horse who won the race.
Using FPS Matties was about 1.5 lengths faster than the winner going in.
Ray Luca
EOG Master
I had 78 vs 76 in favor of winner.
Obviously didn't play race
Just out of curiosity, how does this compare to ur guy?
Variant last out
#1) 14
#5) 20
?
Ray Luca
EOG Master
Yup..