Presidential Debate....Who Won?
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FairWarning
Bells Beer Connoisseur
Biden is a bigger fav now. The only way that drops now is his health. I think BR has a pretty good sized play on him at unreal odds. I have a big play at PK for the D’s to win.
FairWarning
Bells Beer Connoisseur
Kamala small would be a good hedge, or playing the D’s to win.
People probably hitting some of the battleground states today.
People probably hitting some of the battleground states today.
kane
EOG master
The only people who won last night are the proud boys and other white supremacy groups. Trump was given two opportunities to denounce white supremacists, and the best he could do was say they should "stand back and stand by", don't know what that means, but I find it amazing how the president of the United States refuses to denounce those type of hate groups, he had no problem denouncing Antifa, but couldn't do it for the proud boys.
FairWarning
Bells Beer Connoisseur
Yeah, I would say it’s embarrassing but I don’t think he is.
kane
EOG master
Yeah
raycabino
Long Live Wilson!
I disagree. He obviously lost none of his base but he's not losing that no matter what. What i do think he potentially lost was women on the fence and black voters that were leaning his way. He made my bet with drinkyourmilkshk (16% of the black vote I believe is what I foolishly bet) virtually impossible to win with his not only lack of ability to denounce white supremacist groups but he managed to come across as their leader by saying "stand down but stand by" as if he were giving them orders.
Ray Luca
EOG Master
Trump and his crew went after Biden's stuttering disability. That was the plan...hence the abusive tone personal attacks family pain interruptions etc etc. They wanted to deceive the American public with all these "tripwires" to scramble a stutterers ability to speak and then present them as Biden is stupid weak confused and has dementia. Lower than low.
Biden won. And he's making a mistake debating him again.
Biden won. And he's making a mistake debating him again.
winkyduck
TYVM Morgan William!!!
BINGO!
There is some MAGAt Jackass I lurk on Twitter with
He RAVED about how great Der Fuhrer did last night. Seriously
If you are a MAGAt you think #IQ45 won
If you have a brain and know what a disaster Der Fuhrer is you know Biden won
The big measurement is what the few undecided voters think and there is no way undecideds could do anything but think Biden won
................and when it comes to the Veep debate Kamala Harris is gonna map the floor with Pence. Pence never answers a question and is disgrace. Harris will eat him alive
Viejo Dinosaur
EOG Master
You are so full of yourself....you are a clone of your hero....just throw shit out there and see what sticks...
winkyduck
TYVM Morgan William!!!
I know who you are talking about and every time I see posts like yours I am so happy I put him on IGNORE and don't see his moronic ramblings about Der Fuhrer
Viejo Dinosaur
EOG Master
Nobody won.....
The World is laughing at the USA Presidential Debate....
The World is laughing at the USA Presidential Debate....
railbird
EOG Master
chris wallace and biden lost, the world is a piece of shit, i only care about usa
The Proud Boys aren't a white supremacy group such as the KKK. They are far right but not racist.
edit- I see above that others corrected kane first.
I thought Trump blew a huge chance to make Biden look like a fool. All he had to do is let Biden talk for two minutes uninterrupted.
winkyduck
TYVM Morgan William!!!
.......something Der Fuhrer is incapable of
Name the last time he uttered a complete sentence without rambling. He has: Frontotemporal Dementia....there is NO debating this
Say what you will about #IQ45 but Biden is far more Mentally and Physically Capable than he is. I'd bet everything i own on it - including my LIFE - without a nanosecond of worry
railbird
EOG Master
its a fake narrative and media driven narrative that proud boys are white supremacist. white supermecy really means american supremecy. what is official source of black vote? it will go over 16 for sure, 30 ish with black men. latinos is up to 40% and over 50% of hispanic men over 45 that pay taxes
TheGuesser
EOG Dedicated
Good Post Debate Polling From The Great Shep Smith and Kornacki
https://www.cnbc.com/video/2020/09/...e-biden-would-keep-us-safe-from-covid-19.html
https://www.cnbc.com/video/2020/09/...e-biden-would-keep-us-safe-from-covid-19.html
TheGuesser
EOG Dedicated
https://www.newsweek.com/proud-boys...tled-10-things-i-hate-about-jews-2017-1535300
Proud Boys Founder Recorded Video Titled '10 Things I Hate About The Jews' in 2017
BY KATHERINE FUNG ON 9/30/20 AT 10:31 AM EDT
NEWSPROUD BOYSWHITE SUPREMACYWHITE SUPREMACISTSDONALD TRUMP
Anow-deleted video from 2017 showed Proud Boys founder Gavin McInnes on an anti-Semitic rant, in which he defended Holocaust deniers and perpetuated racist stereotypes.
In the video titled "10 things I hate about the Jews," McInnes said Jews have a "whiny paranoid fear of Nazis" and that Israelis don't support President Donald Trump because they're "scared of Christians and Trump, who are their biggest allies."
In another video posted online after a trip to Israel with Rebel Media, a far-right Canadian website where McInnes used to be a star contributor, the Proud Boys leader said hearing from his Israeli hosts was making him anti-Semitic.
"That's having the reverse effect on me: I'm becoming anti-Semitic," McInnes said.
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"I felt myself defending the super far-right Nazis just because I was sick of so much brainwashing and I felt like going, 'Well, they never said it didn't happen. What they're saying is it was much less than six million and that they starved to death and weren't gassed, that they didn't have supplies,'" he added.
"I'm not saying it wasn't gassing. Please don't take that clip out of context, but that's what the far-right nuts are saying."
McInnes, who co-founded VICE, also argued that people need to stop talking about the Holocaust.
"It's like a liberal thing, it's arguably a white thing, but it's a Jewish thing to sort of dwell on the past. And this whole nation-state is talking about 'Seventy-five years ago, my people were killed.' Always the Jews, always killing us, we are the scapegoats," he said. "God, they're so obsessed with the Holocaust. Yes, I know it was bad – don't get me wrong, I'm not pro-Holocaust."
Newsweek reached out to McInnes for comment but did not hear back before publication.
Gavin Mcinnes wears fake handcuffs backstage during a "Demand Free Speech" rally on Freedom Plaza on July 6, 2019 in Washington, DC. McInnes, who founded the Proud Boys, went on an anti-Semitic rant in 2017 titled "10 things I hate about the Jews."STEPHANIE KEITH/STRINGER
McInnes found the Proud Boys, a group labelled by the FBI as extremists with "ties to white nationalism," in the midst of the 2016 presidential election.
The group, which has been self-described as spreading an "anti-political correctness" and "anti-white guilt" agenda, has been known to support Trump and has been accused of involvement in violent political acts, including recent attacks on Black Lives Matter protesters.
During Tuesday's presidential debate, Trump referred to the group, saying "Proud Boys, stand back and stand by," when asked whether he would condemn white supremacists from the stage.
Anti-Defamation League's CEO Jonathan Greenblatt called Trump's response "astonishing" over Twitter.
"Trying to determine if this was an answer or an admission," Greenblatt tweeted. "@POTUS owes America an apology or an explanation. Now."
"And, in case anyone has any doubts, the Proud Boys are a virulent strain of American right-wing extremism. They have a long track record of violence, including in Portland this past weekend," he added.
Proud Boys Founder Recorded Video Titled '10 Things I Hate About The Jews' in 2017
BY KATHERINE FUNG ON 9/30/20 AT 10:31 AM EDT
NEWSPROUD BOYSWHITE SUPREMACYWHITE SUPREMACISTSDONALD TRUMP
Anow-deleted video from 2017 showed Proud Boys founder Gavin McInnes on an anti-Semitic rant, in which he defended Holocaust deniers and perpetuated racist stereotypes.
In the video titled "10 things I hate about the Jews," McInnes said Jews have a "whiny paranoid fear of Nazis" and that Israelis don't support President Donald Trump because they're "scared of Christians and Trump, who are their biggest allies."
In another video posted online after a trip to Israel with Rebel Media, a far-right Canadian website where McInnes used to be a star contributor, the Proud Boys leader said hearing from his Israeli hosts was making him anti-Semitic.
"That's having the reverse effect on me: I'm becoming anti-Semitic," McInnes said.
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"I felt myself defending the super far-right Nazis just because I was sick of so much brainwashing and I felt like going, 'Well, they never said it didn't happen. What they're saying is it was much less than six million and that they starved to death and weren't gassed, that they didn't have supplies,'" he added.
"I'm not saying it wasn't gassing. Please don't take that clip out of context, but that's what the far-right nuts are saying."
McInnes, who co-founded VICE, also argued that people need to stop talking about the Holocaust.
"It's like a liberal thing, it's arguably a white thing, but it's a Jewish thing to sort of dwell on the past. And this whole nation-state is talking about 'Seventy-five years ago, my people were killed.' Always the Jews, always killing us, we are the scapegoats," he said. "God, they're so obsessed with the Holocaust. Yes, I know it was bad – don't get me wrong, I'm not pro-Holocaust."
Newsweek reached out to McInnes for comment but did not hear back before publication.
Gavin Mcinnes wears fake handcuffs backstage during a "Demand Free Speech" rally on Freedom Plaza on July 6, 2019 in Washington, DC. McInnes, who founded the Proud Boys, went on an anti-Semitic rant in 2017 titled "10 things I hate about the Jews."STEPHANIE KEITH/STRINGERMcInnes found the Proud Boys, a group labelled by the FBI as extremists with "ties to white nationalism," in the midst of the 2016 presidential election.
The group, which has been self-described as spreading an "anti-political correctness" and "anti-white guilt" agenda, has been known to support Trump and has been accused of involvement in violent political acts, including recent attacks on Black Lives Matter protesters.
During Tuesday's presidential debate, Trump referred to the group, saying "Proud Boys, stand back and stand by," when asked whether he would condemn white supremacists from the stage.
Anti-Defamation League's CEO Jonathan Greenblatt called Trump's response "astonishing" over Twitter.
"Trying to determine if this was an answer or an admission," Greenblatt tweeted. "@POTUS owes America an apology or an explanation. Now."
"And, in case anyone has any doubts, the Proud Boys are a virulent strain of American right-wing extremism. They have a long track record of violence, including in Portland this past weekend," he added.
Viejo Dinosaur
EOG Master
Proud Boys include whites, blacks, gays,Asians,and transgenders....Rail would fit right in....
TheGuesser
EOG Dedicated
So much crap by the Usual Fascists here trying to defend the Disgusting Proud Boys. Here's the Truth, not todays spin:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...tion-extremist-group-white-nationalism-report
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FBI now classifies far-right Proud Boys as 'extremist group', documents say
This article is more than 1 year old
Group is now designated ‘with ties to white nationalism’ according to report produced by Washington law enforcement
Jason Wilson in Portland, Oregon
@jason_a_w
Mon 19 Nov 2018 12.00 ESTLast modified on Mon 19 Nov 2018 12.34 EST
The Vice Media co-founder Gavin McInnes, center, founder of the far-right group Proud Boys, is surrounded by supporters after speaking at a rally in Berkeley, California, on 27 April 2017. Photograph: Marcio José Sánchez/AP
The FBI now classifies the far-right Proud Boys as an “extremist group with ties to white nationalism”, according to a document produced by Washington state law enforcement.
The FBI’s 2018 designation of the self-confessed “western chauvinist group” as extremist has not been previously made public.Who are the Proud Boys, 'western chauvinists' involved in political violence?
The Proud Boys was founded by the Vice Media co-founder Gavin McInnes. McInnes has insisted that his group is not white nationalist or “alt-right” but the Proud Boys have a history of misogyny and glorifying violence. The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) lists them as a hate group.
The document also says: “The FBI has warned local law enforcement agencies that the Proud Boys are actively recruiting in the Pacific north-west”, and: “Proud Boys members have contributed to the recent escalation of violence at political rallies held on college campuses, and in cities like Charlottesville, Virginia, Portland, Oregon, and Seattle, Washington.”
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The report, and the FBI’s warning to south-west Washington police agencies about the Proud Boys’ role in escalating violence at these events came in August, two months before the group was involved in an infamous weekend of street violence in New York City and Portland, and not long after they participated in street violence in downtown Portland on 30 June.
The document, provided to the Guardian by the government transparency non-profit Property of the People, was part of an internal affairs investigation into a probationary deputy in the Clark county sheriff’s department.
The former clark county deputy, Erin Willey, was fired last July after a photo of her wearing a “Proud Boys Girls” sweatshirt was published by the Vancouver, Washington newspaper the Columbian. The Proud Boys Girls is the female auxiliary of the men-only group founded by McInnes in 2016.
The author of the document, headquarters commander Michael McCabe, is in charge of internal affairs, training, background investigation and courthouse security in the Clark county sheriff’s department.
After confirming the authenticity of the document, he told the Guardian in a telephone interview that the FBI’s classification of the Proud Boys as an extremist group was revealed to him in “a briefing we were given by the FBI” on 2 August, at Clark county’s west precinct.
The briefing included agency heads from local law enforcement, and in it the FBI said that they “have been warning [local law enforcement] for a while” about the Proud Boys, “not just in Washington but around the nation”.
The briefing including the Proud Boys was delivered by an FBI analyst, according to information forwarded to the Guardian by McCabe.
It touched on topics including “How the FBI tracks hate/extremist groups”, “Brief history of these groups in the Pacific NW”, “A description of currently active groups with a focus on the Portland/Vancouver area”, and “Current trends or concerns over law enforcement officers/employees involvement with these groups”.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...xtremist-group-white-nationalism-report#img-2
Street fighting in Portland, Oregon, with men in ‘Proud Boys’ uniform to the fore on 30 June. Photograph: John Rudoff/Sipa USA/REX/Shutterstock
The document says that Willey was an active Proud Boys Girls member between November 2016 and October 2017, and in February 2017 she “actively participated in the manufacturing, advertising and selling of Proud Boys Girls’ merchandise on a website”.
The document concludes that membership in the Proud Boys may constitute a violation of the Clark county sheriff’s department oath to support and protect the laws of the United States, since Proud Boys “members have been documented as having called for the closure of all prisons, the issuing of firearms to everyone, the legalization of all drugs, the deportation of all illegal immigrants and the shutdown of the government”.
Another concern expressed in the document produced by McCabe – which was handed to the sheriff, Chuck E Atkins, so he could make a decision on Willey’s future in the department – was the possibility that the deputy’s membership in the group would constitute a so-called “Brady violation”.
The Brady doctrine requires prosecutors to disclose any potentially exculpatory evidence to defenses in the discovery phase of criminal trials.
Membership in the Proud Boys, the document says, may constitute “evidence that a deputy is biased or has some motive to lie” which could constitute a prosecutorial risk.
According to the report, Willey was placed on administrative leave after the Columbian contacted the sheriff’s department on 2 July. She was fired on 17 July, before the report was completed, and just before the Columbian published its story.
The report also states Willey’s belief that the photo of her in a Proud Boys sweatshirt was given to the Columbian by her former boyfriend, and “active Proud Boy member”, Graham Jorgensen.
Jorgensen has been a regular participant in rallies organized by the Clark county-based Patriot Prayer group, whose events have included Proud Boys, and which have frequently culminated in violence.
Other law enforcement agencies have discovered Proud Boys in their midst and responded in a similar manner. A month after Willey was fired, Brian Green, a patrol deputy in Louisiana, was also let go after social media posts revealed his allegiance to the group.
Willey and Jorgensen could not be reached for comment.
In Clark county, Proud Boys have been integral to the Patriot Prayer movement, which organizes rightwing street marches and rallies in Portland, Seattle, Vancouver and other cities in the Pacific north-west.
Asked about the apparent high level of Proud Boy activity and rightwing organizing in Clark county, McCabe said: “I think both as an agency and me, personally, we worry about that.
“Anybody who has watched the news recently can see that the United States appears divided. Any time you are dealing with groups who are espousing hate, it’s certainly a concern for law enforcement,” he added.
McCabe pointed to a joint statement by Atkins and the Clark county prosecuting attorney Tony Golik in the wake of reporting on Willey’s firing.
In that statement, the men said in part: “We reject hate, bigotry, harassment, violence or the inciting of violence, and all actions intended to harm or intimidate others.”
The FBI did not directly address the designation or the briefing in response to specific email questions, but did say that while “the FBI does not and will not police ideology”, the agency “regularly assesses intelligence regarding possible threats and works closely to share that information with our federal, state and local law enforcement partners”.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...tion-extremist-group-white-nationalism-report
This article is more than 1 year old
FBI now classifies far-right Proud Boys as 'extremist group', documents say
This article is more than 1 year old
Group is now designated ‘with ties to white nationalism’ according to report produced by Washington law enforcement
Jason Wilson in Portland, Oregon
@jason_a_w
Mon 19 Nov 2018 12.00 ESTLast modified on Mon 19 Nov 2018 12.34 EST
The Vice Media co-founder Gavin McInnes, center, founder of the far-right group Proud Boys, is surrounded by supporters after speaking at a rally in Berkeley, California, on 27 April 2017. Photograph: Marcio José Sánchez/AP
The FBI now classifies the far-right Proud Boys as an “extremist group with ties to white nationalism”, according to a document produced by Washington state law enforcement.
The FBI’s 2018 designation of the self-confessed “western chauvinist group” as extremist has not been previously made public.Who are the Proud Boys, 'western chauvinists' involved in political violence?
The Proud Boys was founded by the Vice Media co-founder Gavin McInnes. McInnes has insisted that his group is not white nationalist or “alt-right” but the Proud Boys have a history of misogyny and glorifying violence. The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) lists them as a hate group.
The document also says: “The FBI has warned local law enforcement agencies that the Proud Boys are actively recruiting in the Pacific north-west”, and: “Proud Boys members have contributed to the recent escalation of violence at political rallies held on college campuses, and in cities like Charlottesville, Virginia, Portland, Oregon, and Seattle, Washington.”
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The report, and the FBI’s warning to south-west Washington police agencies about the Proud Boys’ role in escalating violence at these events came in August, two months before the group was involved in an infamous weekend of street violence in New York City and Portland, and not long after they participated in street violence in downtown Portland on 30 June.
The document, provided to the Guardian by the government transparency non-profit Property of the People, was part of an internal affairs investigation into a probationary deputy in the Clark county sheriff’s department.
The former clark county deputy, Erin Willey, was fired last July after a photo of her wearing a “Proud Boys Girls” sweatshirt was published by the Vancouver, Washington newspaper the Columbian. The Proud Boys Girls is the female auxiliary of the men-only group founded by McInnes in 2016.
The author of the document, headquarters commander Michael McCabe, is in charge of internal affairs, training, background investigation and courthouse security in the Clark county sheriff’s department.
After confirming the authenticity of the document, he told the Guardian in a telephone interview that the FBI’s classification of the Proud Boys as an extremist group was revealed to him in “a briefing we were given by the FBI” on 2 August, at Clark county’s west precinct.
The briefing included agency heads from local law enforcement, and in it the FBI said that they “have been warning [local law enforcement] for a while” about the Proud Boys, “not just in Washington but around the nation”.
The briefing including the Proud Boys was delivered by an FBI analyst, according to information forwarded to the Guardian by McCabe.
It touched on topics including “How the FBI tracks hate/extremist groups”, “Brief history of these groups in the Pacific NW”, “A description of currently active groups with a focus on the Portland/Vancouver area”, and “Current trends or concerns over law enforcement officers/employees involvement with these groups”.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...xtremist-group-white-nationalism-report#img-2
Street fighting in Portland, Oregon, with men in ‘Proud Boys’ uniform to the fore on 30 June. Photograph: John Rudoff/Sipa USA/REX/Shutterstock
The document says that Willey was an active Proud Boys Girls member between November 2016 and October 2017, and in February 2017 she “actively participated in the manufacturing, advertising and selling of Proud Boys Girls’ merchandise on a website”.
The document concludes that membership in the Proud Boys may constitute a violation of the Clark county sheriff’s department oath to support and protect the laws of the United States, since Proud Boys “members have been documented as having called for the closure of all prisons, the issuing of firearms to everyone, the legalization of all drugs, the deportation of all illegal immigrants and the shutdown of the government”.
Another concern expressed in the document produced by McCabe – which was handed to the sheriff, Chuck E Atkins, so he could make a decision on Willey’s future in the department – was the possibility that the deputy’s membership in the group would constitute a so-called “Brady violation”.
The Brady doctrine requires prosecutors to disclose any potentially exculpatory evidence to defenses in the discovery phase of criminal trials.
Membership in the Proud Boys, the document says, may constitute “evidence that a deputy is biased or has some motive to lie” which could constitute a prosecutorial risk.
According to the report, Willey was placed on administrative leave after the Columbian contacted the sheriff’s department on 2 July. She was fired on 17 July, before the report was completed, and just before the Columbian published its story.
The report also states Willey’s belief that the photo of her in a Proud Boys sweatshirt was given to the Columbian by her former boyfriend, and “active Proud Boy member”, Graham Jorgensen.
Jorgensen has been a regular participant in rallies organized by the Clark county-based Patriot Prayer group, whose events have included Proud Boys, and which have frequently culminated in violence.
Other law enforcement agencies have discovered Proud Boys in their midst and responded in a similar manner. A month after Willey was fired, Brian Green, a patrol deputy in Louisiana, was also let go after social media posts revealed his allegiance to the group.
Willey and Jorgensen could not be reached for comment.
In Clark county, Proud Boys have been integral to the Patriot Prayer movement, which organizes rightwing street marches and rallies in Portland, Seattle, Vancouver and other cities in the Pacific north-west.
Asked about the apparent high level of Proud Boy activity and rightwing organizing in Clark county, McCabe said: “I think both as an agency and me, personally, we worry about that.
“Anybody who has watched the news recently can see that the United States appears divided. Any time you are dealing with groups who are espousing hate, it’s certainly a concern for law enforcement,” he added.
McCabe pointed to a joint statement by Atkins and the Clark county prosecuting attorney Tony Golik in the wake of reporting on Willey’s firing.
In that statement, the men said in part: “We reject hate, bigotry, harassment, violence or the inciting of violence, and all actions intended to harm or intimidate others.”
The FBI did not directly address the designation or the briefing in response to specific email questions, but did say that while “the FBI does not and will not police ideology”, the agency “regularly assesses intelligence regarding possible threats and works closely to share that information with our federal, state and local law enforcement partners”.
FairWarning
Bells Beer Connoisseur
Totally agree, and the betting markets reflected that viewpoint yesterday.
railbird
EOG Master
betting market responded to inbred jew faggot nate silvers tweets. he virtued singaled all the other athiest jews to bet on biden. he was very wrong in 2016
winkyduck
TYVM Morgan William!!!
Unless that Jew is a Doc who he needs to perform something to save his life
Can't say who won but it was clear who lost, the citizens of the United States.
raycabino
Long Live Wilson!
You keep saying nate was wrong in 2016 but if you bet based on his model you made a ton betting on trump. He gave trump a 30ish% chance to win while the betting market gave him a 15ish% chance to win meaning according to Nate Trump bets were not only good but they were great. If you understood the 1st thing about math and percentages you would know this and stop making a complete fool of yourself by saying how wrong he was in 2016. Now, if Trump wins this election then you can say he is wrong because he is certainly higher on Biden currently than the betting market.
raycabino
Long Live Wilson!
No doubt about this. That was embarrassing for anyone that considers themselves a US citizen. Sad part is these are the 2 guys that the American people chose. Can't make this up.
SlipperyPete
EOG Dedicated
Since Biden, held his own, by deafult he kinda won.
He doenst need to gain any more voters, just dont lose them. And he didnt
And I dont see how Trump swayed ANY independents toward him
He doenst need to gain any more voters, just dont lose them. And he didnt
And I dont see how Trump swayed ANY independents toward him
FairWarning
Bells Beer Connoisseur
Nailed it. If I’m Joe, i wouldn’t participate in any more debates. He has everything to lose now and nothing to gain.
SlipperyPete
EOG Dedicated
And from tweets I read (Ok I know now really scientific) black celebrities are enraged with Trump about the Proud Boys comment.
If they can get blacks to vote, Trump is gonna lose bigly
If they can get blacks to vote, Trump is gonna lose bigly
Bigrunner
EOG Master
The corrupt AG of Kentucky, D. Cameron who Pinocchio called a star, is also Black but seems to possess the same un-American values and principles that Pinocchio has.
Bigrunner
EOG Master
After Pinocchio lost the 1st debate is he now saying he supports Obamacare? With this puppet, nothing would shock me. Trump would suckoff Mike Pence at the 8 oclock hour on national tv if he thought it would win him the election . He has no shame.
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