RIP Pete Rose
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Pete Rose was 83.
He was an asshole in so many ways but if asked the question “who played baseball harder than anyone “? The answer to that question is try for yourself to see how long it takes to come up with a name other than Rose.
Fuck MLB for never lifting the ban.
Fuck MLB for never lifting the ban.
Sure he wasn’t …neither are you
Does Pete's lifetime ban from baseball get lifted because his life is over?
Pete would have made a fantastic BetMGM ambassador.
Pete would have made a fantastic BetMGM ambassador.
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Dave Cokin knew Pete Rose well.
They worked together on the radio for several years in Las Vegas.
You'll remember Pete Rose constantly denied betting on baseball until a book publishing deal came his way.
Then he admitted to betting on baseball.
Amazingly, Cokin believed Pete Rose for years when Rose was in denial.
Why?
Because Cokin claimed "Pete had no idea what the numbers -150 and +130 meant."
I chuckled.
You better believe Pete knew exactly what the numbers 6 1/2-7 1/2 meant.
That's the Eastern baseball line designation.
They worked together on the radio for several years in Las Vegas.
You'll remember Pete Rose constantly denied betting on baseball until a book publishing deal came his way.
Then he admitted to betting on baseball.
Amazingly, Cokin believed Pete Rose for years when Rose was in denial.
Why?
Because Cokin claimed "Pete had no idea what the numbers -150 and +130 meant."
I chuckled.
You better believe Pete knew exactly what the numbers 6 1/2-7 1/2 meant.
That's the Eastern baseball line designation.
Viejo Dinosaur
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Spent a weekend at Planet Hollywood betting horses at one of the RX Bashes…was with his agent, his Korean wife, and a poster from the RX named Gravy….we had a winning weekend and shared many baseball stories…he was very gracious in signing autographs for all the posters that asked for one…Pete was in a good mood that weekend…his average bet was around 600 bucks…
louisvillekid
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Hopefully he gets in the HOF posthumously.
Interesting in that picture Heim posted from this weekend you have Concepcion, Foster, Perez and Griffey. Morgan obviously not there as he died some years ago. But Bench? Supposedly Pete and Bench did not have a friendly relationship.
When I think about the fight with Bud Harrelson in the 1973 playoffs and the fact that the Braves were division rivals of the Reds (in the NL WEST, of all places), him dying on a big day where both the Braves and Mets were fighting for the playoffs, it was Rose basically giving both teams the middle finger for the last time, taking attention away from them.
When I think about the fight with Bud Harrelson in the 1973 playoffs and the fact that the Braves were division rivals of the Reds (in the NL WEST, of all places), him dying on a big day where both the Braves and Mets were fighting for the playoffs, it was Rose basically giving both teams the middle finger for the last time, taking attention away from them.
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kane
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The time to let him in was when he was alive to enjoy it
Heim
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I don't know how many times I saw him in the John Henry room at Santa Anita. He'd bring a small briefcase with cash, sit off to the side with
a bunch of hangeroners at his table. Wrinkled T-shirt, old school Adidas sweats. He wasn't scared to fire. I'd ask a ticket writer I knew who he bet,
usually always one of the favorites. He'd bet 500-600 per race on the fair circuit in Cali.....every race. lol
He gambled head first slide into 3rd too.
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Yeah, John, I think something like that should be the rationale.
That his agreement to the lifetime ban passes with his passing.
Like a personal contract doesn't survive the passing of the contracting party, to get all legalistic in the phrasing.
In other words, the lifetime ban was personal to him.
But now putting him in the HOF instead is about the history of the sport.
And his place in that history.
For what he did on the field, and for baseball, as a player.
Yeah, yeah, they can put their caveats, etc. in the display if they like, but he should go in the Hall the next ballot.
Might've been the most impressive thing about his play. I believe he was an All-Star at 2B, 3B, 1B and OF.
Yes, the hits are great but realistically last 4-5 years he was over the top. His lifetime BA would've probably been 15 points higher if he didn't play those last 4-5 years. But he wanted to be the Hit King.
Thanks for checking in, SQUAREPANTS.
Pete's self-inflicted wounds serve as a cautionary tale for players and coaches who are tempted to place a few dollars on the game.
Lessons from the 1919 Black Sox scandal and the Pete Rose story will be remembered forever.
One other note: Pete agreed to a lifetime ban to escape the heat back in 1989, so he should have accepted the consequences of his actions without all the bellyaching.
cheapseats
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Just in. Coroner list death as heart disease.
Yeah, he nonetheless paid the price per the agreement to the ban, his bitching notwithstanding.
I would draw the line on posthumous admission at the Black Sox.
But looking now at their Wikipedia entry, it looks like their lifetime bans were construed by the Hall as a permanent ban from admission to the HOF.
So if they remain consistent with that interpretation, it looks like Pete's SOL.
Well, he can bitch about it with Shoeless Joe, now.
parlaynow
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Natural causes for the passing of Pete. Diabetes and Hearr disesse ..The City of Cincinnati in morning.
Heim
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Great interview with Johnny Bench this morning on Dan Patrick's show.
It's interesting hearing how he tried to help Pete with his addiction yet adamant he not get into the HOF.
While listening to this interview, and Bench saying people in Cincy buried me (excluding Pete from Hall)...I realized Bench was jealous of Rose's popularity with fans.
It's interesting hearing how he tried to help Pete with his addiction yet adamant he not get into the HOF.
While listening to this interview, and Bench saying people in Cincy buried me (excluding Pete from Hall)...I realized Bench was jealous of Rose's popularity with fans.
Patrick McIrish
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Saw him many times at Tampa Downs.
Not sure what or how much he bet but he definitely was at the window every race.
One of my all-time favs. RIP Charlie Hustle.
Not sure what or how much he bet but he definitely was at the window every race.
One of my all-time favs. RIP Charlie Hustle.
Heim
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I've heard many stories about Pete and his handlers asking for money from people that took a photo of him signing in front of that memorabilia shop at Caesars.
When they threaten to call police (public area) they went back to their hole.
Stories about him and his greed after retiring, wanting $50 for a signature in public.
He wasn't a nice guy but then again nice guys finish last...
When they threaten to call police (public area) they went back to their hole.
Stories about him and his greed after retiring, wanting $50 for a signature in public.
He wasn't a nice guy but then again nice guys finish last...
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howid
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can't remember who said it; Rose was not a team player, he wanted stats. regularly passed up chances to move the runner along, hit behind the runner, sacrifice, etc.
actually just ahead of his time, that's the prevailing mindset of the modern athlete, ''got to show stats for contract time ...''
actually just ahead of his time, that's the prevailing mindset of the modern athlete, ''got to show stats for contract time ...''
Ok, lets say you are managing the Reds. Rose is up with a runner on 2nd and nobody out. Nothing against Griffey Sr, Joe Morgan or Dan Driessen, do you take the bat out of the hands of the all-time hits leader? A guy who rarely struck out? I wouldn't.
Baseball is an individual game under the guise of team play.
kane
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Agree, the last thing I want to see is Pete Rose bunting the runner over, or hitting behind the runner to move him up a base, I want the guy with the most hits in MLB history swinging the bat
It won't matter. The HoF will let him in. It will be a giant draw and money maker for them. They'd be foolish to keep the ban.
BTW, the Baseball HOF is worth a visit. Go in July or August with Saratoga less than 100 miles away. I'm sure Pete would approve of the Saratoga side trip.
Murphy’s Best
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Baseball HOF in Cooperstown is a must see for baseball fans!
Viejo Dinosaur
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Definitely one of the things that alluded me all these years…same with the Masters at Augusta….