Saturday NHL - where losing = winning

winkyduck

winkyduck

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Saturday Vegas/Colorado play

The team that wins the game might actually regret it.

The team that wins gets the #1 seed. And plays the Blackhawks
The team that loses gets the #2 seed. And plays the Coyotes

Am I the only one who thinks the team that wins the game actually loses, overall and the team that loses the game actually wins, overall?

I realize the Avs/Knights are not as brain dead as the Oilers and Preds but still.............who would you rather play in the playoffs? Patrick Kane and Jonathan Toews or whoever the Coyotes have?

Think the Golden Showers realize losing means winning and the Avs win the game..........and might regret doing so
 
WildBill

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The concern is more about the round after, although uncertainty there too. You probably prefer to play the Stars over the Blues, should those teams make it through their matchups. And who knows, the Blues could tank tomorrow and end up fourth. Thats why the best thing for these teams is to take it easy, don't get hurt and work on getting back up to full speed. If that means a win so be it, but there is no real edge.
 
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IWishIWasAPro

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If I was Colorado I wouldnt want to go up against Chicago. I would rather face Arizona. winky is right.

They are still a little ahead of schedule Colorado is. Experience can certainly play a huge role. I think both teams in this game know this too.
 
WildBill

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IWishIWasAPro said:
If I was Colorado I wouldnt want to go up against Chicago. I would rather face Arizona. winky is right.

They are still a little ahead of schedule Colorado is. Experience can certainly play a huge role. I think both teams in this game know this too.
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How are they ahead of schedule? Windows don't last that long in the NHL, the window is now for the Avs and Knights.
 
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IWishIWasAPro

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They werent supposed to be this good so soon. Some of their guys are so young still which means they will be a powerhouse for the next 5 years at least.
 
WildBill

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IWishIWasAPro said:
They werent supposed to be this good so soon. Some of their guys are so young still which means they will be a powerhouse for the next 5 years at least.
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Really, how young are they? Two young defenders and the rest of the key players are past their rookie contracts. Most guys didn't even come up in their system. If they were supposed to wait until it's their time they will start losing guys to the cap.
 
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IWishIWasAPro

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Young enough to get got by the Blackhawks and their experience. I just know they are ahead of schedule with their expectations and front office know this. Its good regardless because they will do serious damage in the next 5 years.
 
WildBill

WildBill

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IWishIWasAPro said:
Young enough to get got by the Blackhawks and their experience. I just know they are ahead of schedule with their expectations and front office know this. Its good regardless because they will do serious damage in the next 5 years.
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You obviously don't watch this team enough or know what expectations they came into this season with. Last year was "too early" and they almost got to the conference finals despite it. Made some signings and trades past offseason that left no doubt they were thinking Cup or bust this year. They probably would have had the #1 record if they didn't have so many injuries over the course of the season, but that's pretty irrelevant in the big picture. There will be no "good season" comments if they don't at least get to the Finals, that's pretty much where they are right now.
 
winkyduck

winkyduck

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IWishIWasAPro said:
They are the best teams. Vegas and Colorado. They are so so so good. I want to have faith in Boston and Tampa Bay but to me these are the best.
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I am the owner of a ticket: Knights to win the West +550

Might not win it but knowing the best I could get now would be about half that - if that - no complaints
 
WildBill

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If these two teams play later on its just going to be a matter of who gets more bounces to go their way. They have different strengths and weaknesses, but there is just nothing between them to make you say one should beat the other in a series.
 
winkyduck

winkyduck

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WildBill said:
If these two teams play later on its just going to be a matter of who gets more bounces to go their way. They have different strengths and weaknesses, but there is just nothing between them to make you say one should beat the other in a series.
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Odds are very strong they will NOT meet in the WCF. Maybe Computer Bob can look it up but I don't recall having the T2 seeds of the Conf meeting in the Conf Finals very often. Knowing how crazy things are this season I put the odds of a Vegas/Colorado WCF at maybe 10%. If that.
 
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IWishIWasAPro

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I like them both. The biggest problem Vegas has is Chicago knows everything about their goalie. Its basically a new season too. It will be a battle.
 
WildBill

WildBill

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winkyduck said:
Odds are very strong they will NOT meet in the WCF. Maybe Computer Bob can look it up but I don't recall having the T2 seeds of the Conf meeting in the Conf Finals very often. Knowing how crazy things are this season I put the odds of a Vegas/Colorado WCF at maybe 10%. If that.
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Its fairly rare, but we'll see what happens with the real start to the playoffs. A lot of teams just don't look ready and focused yet. Might come soon, but might not come at all. These top two have been ready to go since their exhibition game. Both are enjoying the fact that they were not healthy going into the lockdown but are close to full health now except for Pacioretty.
 
WildBill

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IWishIWasAPro said:
Vegas can switch it up though with Fluery in goal. I don't know. It will be a long battle I predict, at least 6.
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I doubt they will switch it much once they get going, its not DeBoer's style. I get the feeling Fleury might be the starter even though Lehner has played well and could certainly be the #1.
 
Bushay

Bushay

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IWishIWasAPro said:
I like them both. The biggest problem Vegas has is Chicago knows everything about their goalie. Its basically a new season too. It will be a battle.
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Not sure where you're going with this statement. Very little every team coaching staff doesn't know about every goalie in this league. If you think shooting high glove side or any other little nuance isn't already in each opposing teams scouting staff book of notes you're mistaken. Cause he was traded to Vegas means next to nothing. Lehner is the backup who more than likely won't even see the ice these playoffs to boot!.
 
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IWishIWasAPro

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I thought I read he won the starting job. Regardles they both will probably play. It might be better to bet game by game in that series.
 
SpottedCow

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WildBill said:
The concern is more about the round after, although uncertainty there too. You probably prefer to play the Stars over the Blues, should those teams make it through their matchups. And who knows, the Blues could tank tomorrow and end up fourth. Thats why the best thing for these teams is to take it easy, don't get hurt and work on getting back up to full speed. If that means a win so be it, but there is no real edge.
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This is the reason you play for the #1 seed. With re-seeding after each round, an upset to any of the other round robin teams gives you an easier draw in round 2. I could see Vancouver or Calgary knocking off Dallas. Avs, Blues and VGK appeared to be miles ahead of the pack in the West.

For the sake of the locker room, I hope DeBoer sticks with the current goalie rotation. Any advantage Chicago has knowing Lehner's game is mitigated by the fact they he too knows each of their players tendencies and shooting preferences.
 
winkyduck

winkyduck

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I forget the book that had West Conf Futures but they had Avs #1 and Vegas #2. Mostly because of who each would face in Round 1. And knowing Avs would get Dallass in Round 2 (if form holds - it never does) and Golden Showers would get the Blues - once again Avs with the easier opponent

Vegas won on Saturday..............but overall - LOST
 
SpottedCow

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winkyduck said:
I forget the book that had West Conf Futures but they had Avs #1 and Vegas #2. Mostly because of who each would face in Round 1. And knowing Avs would get Dallass in Round 2 (if form holds - it never does) and Golden Showers would get the Blues - once again Avs with the easier opponent

Vegas won on Saturday..............but overall - LOST
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So, to your point that form never holds, VGK will get a lesser opponent in round 2 since they are re-seeding after every round this year. You're arguing against yourself unless form does hold which you stated it never does in which VGK would get the blues and Avs get Dallas.
 
WildBill

WildBill

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winkyduck said:
I forget the book that had West Conf Futures but they had Avs #1 and Vegas #2. Mostly because of who each would face in Round 1. And knowing Avs would get Dallass in Round 2 (if form holds - it never does) and Golden Showers would get the Blues - once again Avs with the easier opponent

Vegas won on Saturday..............but overall - LOST
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The futures haven't really changed, the Avs have been the favorites in the West since the NHL announced things would start back up with the Knights just a tad behind them.
 
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