Shaq or Kobe...Who You Got?
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FairWarning
Bells Beer Connoisseur
Shaq’s game doesn’t fit into today’s NBA.
Heim
EOG Master
Why do you say that? The triangle offense worked well with Shaq's agility. The game has changed now because most
big guys coming out are plodders. You can't have offenses go thru guys like even Jokic anymore.
SlipperyPete
EOG Dedicated
Prime Shaq over Prime Kobe... any day
FairWarning
Bells Beer Connoisseur
Theee’s and dunks are today’s game, in that order.
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WildBill
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Kobe's game sucks for these days too, no one wants a wannabe hero who tries long contested 2s. Kobe never won without a top quality center, all those years he was putting up his biggest numbers his teams didn't amount to shit. He would have half the accolades he ended up with if the Grizzlies didn't hand them a few extra titles with the Gasol giveaway.
Patrick McIrish
OCCams raZOR
I agree with this. I think you do have to evaluate what/where the current game is.
At times the big man was the starting/stopping point it seems for great teams......
Now they are probably as minimized as they've ever been. Big is still great but have to bring more to the table.....
Durant, Nowitski, AD types.
Overall though I'd prefer Shaq over Kobe. I've never personally rated Kobe as high as the rest of the world it seems......
Respectfully disagree, Patrick.
Shaq himself called Kobe the best player in the NBA in 2002.
Let's not forget, Shaq was six years older than Kobe.
I want Kobe's competitive fire over Shaq's poor work habits.
Shaq himself called Kobe the best player in the NBA in 2002.
Let's not forget, Shaq was six years older than Kobe.
I want Kobe's competitive fire over Shaq's poor work habits.
jimmythegreek
The opening odds start here
At his peak, O'Neal was literally unstoppable. If he ran at defenders in the open court full steam, no one could stop that freight train.
He changed the way defenses played and how the game was officiated because of how strong he was. Kobe could only dream about that kind of physical impact.
People remember Bryant's dominance first because it's still fresh in their minds. But when the Diesel was running on all cylinders, there was never a more unstoppable player.
Scoring was the only thing Bryant could do at his peak. He played elite defense, able to go one-on-one against the oppositions best scorer, play passing lanes and help out with a big block or defensive stop. Shaq diesel for me.
He changed the way defenses played and how the game was officiated because of how strong he was. Kobe could only dream about that kind of physical impact.
People remember Bryant's dominance first because it's still fresh in their minds. But when the Diesel was running on all cylinders, there was never a more unstoppable player.
Scoring was the only thing Bryant could do at his peak. He played elite defense, able to go one-on-one against the oppositions best scorer, play passing lanes and help out with a big block or defensive stop. Shaq diesel for me.
Viejo Dinosaur
EOG Master
Only if Shaq has Kobe’s work ethic and conditioning...we will never know....
There's good news and bad news for Shaquille O'Neal supporters.
The good news: He shot at an incredible 58% from the field.
The bad news: He shot a pathetic 53% from the free-throw line.
Hard to find many NBA players who shot a higher career percentage when guarded than unguarded.
The good news: He shot at an incredible 58% from the field.
The bad news: He shot a pathetic 53% from the free-throw line.
Hard to find many NBA players who shot a higher career percentage when guarded than unguarded.
Hard to be an elite NBA closer when you constantly miss free throws.
That was Shaq's kryptonite.
That was Shaq's kryptonite.
kane
EOG master
This!
kane
EOG master
This might sound odd, but when you consider how many dunks he had in his career, and that every shot he took was in the paint, and how bigger and stronger he was than anyone guarding him, 58% seems a little low. For every 100 shots he took he missed 42, maybe I'm being a little too critical, but you would have thought he'd make a higher percentage of shots than he did, no one could guard him and every shot he took was within 3 feet of the basket
FairWarning
Bells Beer Connoisseur
I don't see shaq guarding his man around the 3-point arc either.
True.
There were two versions of Shaq: The young Shaq and the old Shaq.
It's too bad the young, athletic Shaq did not stay fit enough to benefit from the older, wiser version.
It's too bad the young, athletic Shaq did not stay fit enough to benefit from the older, wiser version.
Yao Ming, on the other hand, was much bigger than Shaq and yet he could flick his wrist like a slick guard or forward.
kane
EOG master
railbird
EOG Master
Magic and Shaq were being nice at a funeral. I dont think they really meant it. I was in Orlando scalping tickets in 1993, Shaq was worth 10 pts to that team. When Kobe was out thee team would often play better because chemistry was better. Id take Shaq in a heart beat over kobe. kobe was a selfie.
Blasphemy.
I'm torn between Kobe and Magic as the greatest Laker.
Tough call too between Kobe and Magic as the most-loved Laker.
Kobe's early passing may give him the edge.
Poor LeBron is having a hard time with Laker fans because of all the Kobe love.
jimmythegreek
The opening odds start here
The personal pride hits free agency will do to star athletes.
Shaq once said Yao Ming's legs were like tree trunks.
Shaq's a funny guy.
I also like Shaq's nickname for Tim Duncan: The Big Fundamental.
railbird
EOG Master
Games: 1560, PPG: 24.6
Teams: Milwaukee Bucks, Los Angeles Lakers
Career: 1969 to 1989 (Championships: 6)
Rookie of the Year when he entered the league in 1969, Abdul-Jabbar would go on to win 6 NBA Championships.
2. Karl Malone – 36,928 Points
Games: 1476, PPG: 25.0
Teams: Utah Jazz, Los Angeles Lakers
Career: 1985 to 2004 (Championships: 0)
Malone played in the NBA finals twice against the Chicago Bulls in 1997 and 1998.
3. Michael Jordan – 32,292 Points
Games: 1072, PPG: 30.1
Teams: Chicago Bulls, Washington Wizards
Career: 1984 to 2003 (Championships: 6)
Five times named the league’s MVP, Jordan won 6 NBA Championships with the Chicago Bulls.
4. Wilt Chamberlain – 31,419 Points
Games: 1045, PPG: 30.1
Teams: Philadelphia/San Francisco Warriors, Philadelphia 76ers, Los Angeles Lakers
Career: 1959 to 1973 (Championships: 2)
Chamberlain holds many NBA records, including a 100 point four quarter game in 1962.
5. Shaquille O’Neal – 27,721 Points
Games: 1126, PPG: 24.6
Teams: Orlando Magic, Los Angeles Lakers, Miami Heat, Phoenix Suns, Cleveland Cavaliers
Career: 1992 to Present (Championships: 4)
First overall draft pick and Rookie of the Year in 1993, Shaq was also the 2000 NBA MVP.
Teams: Milwaukee Bucks, Los Angeles Lakers
Career: 1969 to 1989 (Championships: 6)
Rookie of the Year when he entered the league in 1969, Abdul-Jabbar would go on to win 6 NBA Championships.
2. Karl Malone – 36,928 Points
Games: 1476, PPG: 25.0
Teams: Utah Jazz, Los Angeles Lakers
Career: 1985 to 2004 (Championships: 0)
Malone played in the NBA finals twice against the Chicago Bulls in 1997 and 1998.
3. Michael Jordan – 32,292 Points
Games: 1072, PPG: 30.1
Teams: Chicago Bulls, Washington Wizards
Career: 1984 to 2003 (Championships: 6)
Five times named the league’s MVP, Jordan won 6 NBA Championships with the Chicago Bulls.
4. Wilt Chamberlain – 31,419 Points
Games: 1045, PPG: 30.1
Teams: Philadelphia/San Francisco Warriors, Philadelphia 76ers, Los Angeles Lakers
Career: 1959 to 1973 (Championships: 2)
Chamberlain holds many NBA records, including a 100 point four quarter game in 1962.
5. Shaquille O’Neal – 27,721 Points
Games: 1126, PPG: 24.6
Teams: Orlando Magic, Los Angeles Lakers, Miami Heat, Phoenix Suns, Cleveland Cavaliers
Career: 1992 to Present (Championships: 4)
First overall draft pick and Rookie of the Year in 1993, Shaq was also the 2000 NBA MVP.
Birdie always supports short quarterbacks but he likes his basketball players on the tall side.
FairWarning
Bells Beer Connoisseur
16 of the top 20 are in the HOF, and the other 4 (Dirk, V Carter, Melo, and Pierce) will join them.
FairWarning
Bells Beer Connoisseur
He was on fumes when he joined the Lakers.