Society must choose: The Sodomites or Judeo-Christian Tradition

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That's okay Markie.

The people of Iowa, Connecticut, Massachusetts and Vermont and of course in your native country Canada have all made it legal for gay North Americans to wed.

This will spread into more states and within the next few years, any gay North Americans who wish to get married can simply establish residence in those states and tie the knot without fear of undue legal discrimination.

Solid
 
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Pentagon lists homosexuality as disorder
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WASHINGTON — A Pentagon document classifies homosexuality as a mental disorder, decades after mental health experts abandoned that position.

The document outlines retirement or other discharge policies for service members with physical disabilities, and in a section on defects lists homosexuality alongside mental retardation and personality disorders.

Critics said the reference underscores the Pentagon's failing policies on gays, and adds to a culture that has created uncertainty and insecurity around the treatment of homosexual service members, leading to anti-gay harassment.

Pentagon spokesman Lt. Col. Jeremy M. Martin said the policy document is under review.

The Pentagon has a "don't ask, don't tell" policy that prohibits the military from inquiring about the sex lives of service members but requires discharges of those who openly acknowledge being gay.

The Center for the Study of Sexual Minorities in the Military, at the University of California at Santa Barbara, uncovered the document and pointed to it as further proof that the military deserves failing grades for its treatment of gays.

Nathaniel Frank, senior research fellow at the center, said, "The policy reflects the department's continued misunderstanding of homosexuality and makes it more difficult for gays and lesbians to access mental health services."

The document, called a Defense Department Instruction, was condemned by medical professionals, members of Congress and other experts, including the American Psychiatric Association.

"It is disappointing that certain Department of Defense instructions include homosexuality as a 'mental disorder' more than 30 years after the mental health community recognized that such a classification was a mistake," said Rep. Marty Meehan, D-Mass.

Congress members noted that other Pentagon regulations dealing with mental health do not include homosexuality on any lists of psychological disorders. And in a letter to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on Monday, nine lawmakers asked for a full review of all documents and policies to ensure they reflect that same standard.

"Based on scientific and medical evidence the APA declassified homosexuality as a mental disorder in 1973 — a position shared by all other major health and mental health organizations based on their own review of the science," James H. Scully Jr., head of the psychiatric association, said in a letter to the Defense Department's top doctor earlier this month.

There were 726 military members discharged under the "don't ask, don't tell" policy during the budget year that ended last Sept. 30. That marked the first year since 2001 that the total had increased. The number of discharges had declined each year since it peaked at 1,227 in 2001, and had fallen to 653 in 2004.

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No amount of PC bullshit and "social engineering" can penetrate the traditional Judeo-Christian moral code in the military -- the most honorable institution in America.

Which is why of course "don't ask, don't tell" won't EVER be scrapped -- even under a terrorist ass-kisser like Hussein.

Because almost everyone in the military hierarchy understands the obvious: sodomy is not only a moral sin, it is absolutely a mental disorder. :thumbsup
 
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"The wrath of God is indeed being revealed from heaven against every impiety and wickedness of those who suppress the truth by their wickedness. For what can be known about God is evident to them, because God made it evident to them. Ever since the creation of the world, his invisible attributes of eternal power and divinity have been able to be understood and perceived in what he has made. As a result, they have no excuse; for although they knew God they did not accord him glory as God or give him thanks. Instead, they became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless minds were darkened. While claiming to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for the likeness of an image of mortal man or of birds or of four-legged animals or of snakes. Therefore, God handed them over to impurity through the lusts of their hearts for the mutual degradation of their bodies. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and revered and worshiped the creature rather than the creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God handed them over to their undiscerning mind to do what is improper. They are filled with every form of wickedness, evil, greed, and malice; full of envy, murder, rivalry, treachery, and spite. They are gossips and scandalmongers and they hate God. They are insolent, haughty, boastful, ingenious in their wickedness, and rebellious toward their parents. They are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Although they know the just decree of God that all who practice such things deserve death, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them."

(Romans 1: 12-32)


Much to the chagrin of perverts in the militant sodomite agenda, the Bible is crystal clear on God's disdain for this sinful behavior...

Woe onto the hatemongers of God who engage in sodomy and woe onto the useful idiots who parrot the militant sodomite agenda!

Your reckless, arrogant wicked rebellion from your Creator will be judged harshly experiencing the wrath of the Lord's justice without mercy.

Amen. :thumbsup
 
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Be subordinate to one another out of reverence for Christ. Wives should be subordinate to their husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is head of his wife just as Christ is head of the church, he himself the savior of the body. As the church is subordinate to Christ, so wives should be subordinate to their husbands in everything. Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ loved the church and handed himself over for her to sanctify her, cleansing her by the bath of water with the word, that he might present to himself the church in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish. So (also) husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. For no one hates his own flesh but rather nourishes and cherishes it, even as Christ does the church, because we are members of his body."For this reason a man shall leave (his) father and (his) mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh."
This is a great mystery, but I speak in reference to Christ and the church. In any case, each one of you should love his wife as himself, and the wife should respect her husband.

(Ephesians 5:21-33)

Sorry sodomites and sodomite apologists:

There is no mention of Adam and Steve in that passage -- nor in any other portion of the Bible 2938u4ji23

On the contrary:

"Honor your FATHER AND MOTHER as your Lord God commands you"

F-A-G-G-T-O-T-R-Y IS A SIN!!

Ladies and gentlemen:

Forget the wicked militant sodomite agenda...notice how the modern rebellious movement known as "liberalism" has totally perverted and dismantled God's natural order?

And notice also how these wicked foolish perversions have completely eroded our free civilized society in every way -- morally, spiritually, culturally, economically, demographically and economically?

You see, man (specifically, his foolish, narcissistic nature) is wicked -- therefore ALL OF US are commanded to resist temptation.

On the micro, this means we must submit our will to Jehovah's will and repent -- or we will pay a heavy price in our lives.

And...

On the macro, we must structure our free civilized society it's laws according to HIS command and moral code -- or we will cease to exist as a great nation enslaving ourselves to the elitist humanists who want to control our lives from cradle to grave.

We ignore this wisdom at our peril.

Ask yourself:

Are you freer today than a mere generation ago?

Are 'disorders' like depression more or less common in our children than in decades past?

Is the divorce rate higher or lower?

Is the rate of children born out of wedlock higher or lower than 20 years ago? 40 years ago? 60 years ago?

Is statism (welfare programs, confiscatory taxes, regulations) on the rise or decline?

Is the use of psychedelic drugs escalating? If so, why? Why do more kids feel the need to artificially alter their mental state using harmful (and often deadly) chemicals? What set of beliefs could possibly tempt anyone into acts of such grandiose stupidity?

Why are we economically enslaving ourselves to the Marxists in China? And why is America accelerating toward Marxism at a breathtaking pace?

Somewhere a narcissistic perversion has taken place.

We forgot our values.

We stopped paying attention to the wisdom of our Creator (the one referenced in the Declaration of Independence numerous times).

Our grandparents and great grandparents who fought and died for our liberty would look at the Perez Hilton/Paris Hilton generation in shock and disbelief declaring it mentally unstable -- and they would be right.

They would tell you how today's touchy-feely "Hope and Change"(tm) drones have abandoned every value and principle that made America the greatest, most powerful and righteous nation in the history of mankind -- and they would be right.

They would label dark modern cults such as Darwinism, Marxism and Freudism concoctions of Lucifer himself -- and they would be right.

They would characterize the narcissistic post-1960s flower-child mindset of liberalism as perverted dark state of perma-adolescence -- and they would be right.

They would laugh at today's cultists who declare 'science' their religion and moral guide for personal behavior (essentially, what the Nazis did) -- and they would be right.

They would tell you with liberty comes the obligation of personal responsibility -- and they would be right.

Every value previous generations fought and died for is being undone by this wicked narcissistic cult of modern liberalism -- EVERY SINGLE ONE.

Say 'NO' to the PREPOSTEROUS LIES of the militant sodomite agenda -- and their parrots.

Say 'NO' to the scientific stupidity that proclaims amino acids somehow miraculously evolved into Mozart without divine guidance every step of the way.

Say 'NO' to Hussein's radical agenda -- and RADICAL instruments (judges) he will use to implement it.

Say 'NO' to TYRANNY; say 'YES' to LIBERTY.

By their wicked deeds, they are forcing YOU to choose:

Militant Sodomite Agenda

or...

Judeo-Christian Tradition

Choose wisely. :thumbsup
 
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Hey Mark!

Why you were burning another hour of your life posting your homophobic rants on a sports handicapping internet forum read by about ten people, another couple hundred gay North Americans were legally wed today.

Looks like your "agenda" is pretty much getting it's ass kicked.

You might want to suck up your teeny little ball sack and start expressing your Hot Political Opinions in bigger venues. Clearly no one here at the ol' EOG sports handicapping forum is rushing out to contact their legislators based on anything you've spewed.
 
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Why you were burning another hour of your life posting your homophobic rants on a sports handicapping internet forum read by about ten people, another couple hundred gay North Americans were legally wed today.
Legally wed today and bound for Hell for eternity.

Looks like your "agenda" is pretty much getting it's ass kicked.
Nope.

Joe Contrarian's words are the words of truth.

Joe Contrarian's words of truth are equipped with the armour of God.

In spite of how "popular" the wisdom of man might become, the wisdom of man falls short of the wisdom of God.

Truth cannot always be determined by the "popular" vote.

Read the Bible.

The message of the Bible can be summed up in two words:

God Wins!

This means that the forces of sin, including the sin of homosexuality, shall lose.

AMEN.

Munchkin Man
 
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Started reading the Bible again today, seeking counsel on what happens to gay Americans who get married.

But got lost in the Book of Genesis and all the incest that was going on after "adam" left the garden and again after Noah survived God's mass murder of humanity.
 
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Yep, in Manny's dark perverted world, Jehovah was a 'homophobe' and the Word of God is "hate speech." (War is Peace, Ignorance is Strength, Freedom is Slavery..) :doh1

Jesus may have shown compassionate toward repentant sinners, but he didn't mince words calling out the sin -- including lying down with members of the same-sex.

Nor will I (despite being banned by my stalker "across the street")

Nor should you.

Ladies and gentlemen:

It is a preposterous LIE that the Bible (Old Testament and New) doesn't call same-sex relations inside the bedroom for the sin they are.

It is a preposterous LIE that this condition isn't a mental disorder.

When the Word of God decreed that all sexual activity be channeled into marriage, it ensured that sex no longer dominated society, heightened male-female love and sexuality, and began the arduous task of elevating the status of women. The ban on homosexuality desexualized religion and the family. It gave boundaries and controls to the strongest of man's sensual urges which until then had been expressed in every perverted way one can imagine.

It was Judeo-Christian values which demanded that all sexual activity be channeled into marriage, which changed the world.

The subsequent dominance of the Western world largely can be attributed to the sexual revolution initiated by Judaism, and later carried forward by Christianity.

Today, the perverted forces of darkness seek to undermine the foundations of Western civilization -- everything that made America the superpower that it is.

Let it be known that "Same-Sex Marriage" has never existed in 15,000 years of human history.

It doesn't exist now.

There is no such thing.

Its another version of the old Lincoln joke. If you call a tail a leg, how many legs does a dog have? Four.

Call it anything you want, the tail is still a tail.

Pass all the laws you want, pack the Supreme Court anyway you want, outlaw religious speech all you want, send preachers before "human rights" commissions all you want, the dog's tail is still a tail.

Seek the truth and the truth shall set you free.

Do not be cowed by the loathsome underhanded tactics of the militant sodomite agenda desperately trying to shut up any voices of constructive dissent -- you are right, they are wrong because God is on your side.

Do not let the forces of darkness destroy your civil society -- you are right, they are wrong because God is on your side.

Woe onto those who dare call a dog's tail a leg -- especially those seeking to pervert the innocence of a child -- for they shall burn in HELL for eternity. :thumbsup
 
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Public service report: I was somewhat mildly amused with our parka-clad preacher's efforts tonight. My slightly-elevated entertainment level lasted for approximately 6 minutes as I contemplated the utter ridiculousness he again posted. . .Carry on. . .
 
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Public service report: I was somewhat mildly amused with our parka-clad preacher's efforts tonight. My slightly-elevated entertainment level lasted for approximately 6 minutes as I contemplated the utter ridiculousness he again posted. . .Carry on. . .
The only "ridiculousness" once again is the vacuity and ignorance of your ad hominem posts.

It was the Bible that invented the whole concept of 'homosexuality', for in the ancient world sexuality was not divided between heterosexuality and homosexuality. That division and key distinction was the Bible's doing.

Before the Bible, the world divided sexuality between active and passive roles.

The ancients were no more concerned with people's gender preference than people today are with other people's eating preferences:

Boys and women were treated interchangeably as objects of (male) desire (NAMBLA/ACLU). What was socially important is to penetrate rather than to be penetrated. Sex was understood fundamentally not as intimate interaction, but as a doing of something to someone. And it was in this environment where homosexuality was rampant.

The Bible changed everything and set humanity on a course of enlightenment, moral clarity and prosperity, while your narcissistic militant sodomite agenda wants humanity back on a path of destruction, moral chaos and bankruptcy.
 
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Started reading the Bible again today, seeking counsel on what happens to gay Americans who get married.

But got lost in the Book of Genesis and all the incest that was going on after "adam" left the garden and again after Noah survived God's mass murder of humanity.

You are fuckin' mean spirited bigot homophobe , you know ? How dare you cite the bible !!! Do you think that one of these days San Francisco is going to get hit with a 9+ on the Richter Scale ? I was in SF a few months ago and boy has that place sure turned into a shit hole.
 
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APA revises 'gay gene' theory

Charlie Butts - OneNewsNow - 5/14/2009 6:30:00 AM
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The attempt to prove that homosexuality is determined biologically has been dealt a knockout punch. An American Psychological Association publication includes an admission that there's no homosexual "gene" -- meaning it's not likely that homosexuals are born that way.

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<storybody></storybody>For decades, the APA has not considered homosexuality a psychological disorder, while other professionals in the field consider it to be a "gender-identity" problem. But the new statement, which appears in a brochure called "Answers to Your Questions for a Better Understanding of Sexual Orientation & Homosexuality," states the following:
"There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors. Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles...."​
That contrasts with the APA's statement in 1998: "There is considerable recent evidence to suggest that biology, including genetic or inborn hormonal factors, play a significant role in a person's sexuality."

Peter LaBarbera, who heads Americans for Truth About Homosexuality, believes the more recent statement is an important admission because it undermines a popular theory.

"People need to understand that the 'gay gene' theory has been one of the biggest propaganda boons of the homosexual movement over the last 10 [or] 15 years," he points out. "Studies show that if people think that people are born homosexual they're much less likely to resist the gay agenda."

Matt Barber with Liberty Counsel feels the pronouncement may have something to do with saving face. "Well, I think here the American Psychological Association is finally trying to restore some credibility that they've lost over the years by having become a clearly political organization as opposed to an objective, scientific organization," he states. :doh1(Hear audio report)

With the new information from the APA, Barber wonders if the organization will admit that homosexuals who want to change can change.

"It's irrefutable from a medical standpoint that people can leave the homosexual lifestyle," he argues. "Homosexuality is defined by behavior. :thumbsup

Untold thousands of people have found freedom from that lifestyle through either reparative therapy or through -- frankly, most effectively -- a relationship with Jesus Christ."

LaBarbera agrees. "Change through Christ is possible -- and it's one of the most heartwarming aspects of the whole gay debate," he shares. "Many men and women have come out of homosexuality, mostly through a relationship with Jesus Christ. The fact that these professional organizations will not study that, will not acknowledge that, shows how 'in the tank' they are for the homosexual movement."

LaBarbera stresses that even though elites will not recognize the change, that does not mean the change does not exist. In fact, both Barber and LaBarbera believe that God changes people through Christ -- regardless of the sin.​
 
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Will the Antichrist be a homosexual?

By Ron Hamman

http://www.frontiersman.com/articles/2009/05/27/faith/doc4a1b794bd0fd9907394285.txt?referrer=digg
Published on Monday, May 25, 2009 9:15 PM AKDT

In answering this question, it is important to assert the question does not originate with me, lest someone out there think that I am bringing some new doctrine out to bolster the political climate. But as the study of Bible prophecy includes verbiage as to the behavior of the one called “that Wicked” by Paul in II Thessalonians, it is not only a legitimate question to ask, but also one to answer.

While the word “homosexual” is not in the Bible, the behavior of those who practice homosexuality, and God’s estimation of them, very definitely is. When the word came into existence I cannot tell you, but what we can say for sure is that when Noah Webster published his first dictionary in 1828, it was not included. This means that homosexuality is a modern word invented to replace the word Noah Webster did include, sodomy, defined as a crime against nature. This is historical revisionism in action. 2348ji23e

Sodomy is defined in scripture by two things, the first being that of where it began: Sodom. In Genesis 13:13 we have the first mention of the men of Sodom, pronouncing that they “were wicked and sinners before the Lord exceedingly.” Their saga is continued in chapters 18 and 19 with their sin being so great that not only does God say that it “is very grievous,” but he himself comes down to destroy them with fire, the rubble of which still stands as a warning to us today. While the Genesis account does not graphically describe their sin, leading some to deny it as being the same as homosexuality, their sin is obviously just that by how it is described: lying with mankind as with womankind. What other conclusion can be reached when they want to “know” the men who were in Lot’s house, the same word the Bible uses in Genesis 4 in relation to the conception of Cain? And that Lot himself understood their intentions is clear; not only did he call such behavior wicked, but he also offered his virgin daughters as substitutes, which the men of Sodom refused.

And one more thing: Sodomy is the only sin for which God came down from heaven to destroy. Though God dealt with many other sins in various ways, there is no other for which he came down from heaven to verify and destroy. In the New Testament, sodomy is declared to be “against nature.” And of the men, Paul in Romans 1 says they leave “the natural use of the woman....” In effect, there is no greater sin against God than to reject how he made you, and no greater sin against women than to reject how God made them. :thumbsup

But will the Antichrist be a homosexual? Having seen what the Bible says of sodomy, we have no further to look than the book of Daniel, chapter 11 to find our answer. It says, “Neither shall he [Antichrist] regard... the desire of women....” As I said at the onset, I am not the first to draw attention to this, but the verbiage is clear.

From a lost perspective, the reason sex sells, pornography is profitable, and prostitution is “the world’s oldest profession” is mankind’s desire of women. From Christianity’s position, it is part of the glue for the bond of marriage and the propagation of a godly heritage. But homosexuality does not regard this — in their unbridled lusts they burn for their own gender.


But consider this: The time is ripe for such a leader. Indeed, it should not be surprising that the one who is against everything Biblical and Christian should be a partaker of so great a sin; there is no greater way to reject the Creator than to reject your gender and his design for it. And at what other time have we seen such perversion come out of the closets onto our streets, threatening violence if we do not accept their ways?

Is it any wonder that Revelation 13 says that this same Antichrist will make war with the saints of the tribulation, and overcome them? Are they not now readying themselves to make it illegal to “offend” them in any way, calling it hatred to preach against their sin? Is it because they love us? The time is ripe for such a man.

But remember that sodomy is the one sin that God left heaven and came to earth to destroy. Could it be that this will be the predominate sin on earth when Christ descends from the clouds to fight against the armies of wickedness? And will it be just a coincidence that the Antichrist will be the very first occupant of the lake of fire, tasting eternal death 1,000 years before even the devil himself?

You be the judge.

Ron Hamman is pastor for Independent Baptist Church of Wasilla. Contact him at 357-4229.
 
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The Bible changed everything and set humanity on a course of enlightenment, moral clarity and prosperity, while your narcissistic militant sodomite agenda wants humanity back on a path of destruction, moral chaos and bankruptcy.
??? :+clueless Does Satan prefer a Chapter 7 or a Chapter 13 filing? Does that mean that God prefers credit consolidation over bankruptcy?
 
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You are fuckin' mean spirited bigot homophobe , you know ? How dare you cite the bible !!! Do you think that one of these days San Francisco is going to get hit with a 9+ on the Richter Scale ? I was in SF a few months ago and boy has that place sure turned into a shit hole.
I don't know a lot about that San Francisco, living way over here in Clearwater FL, but I do wonder if the people who subscribe to that Book of Genesis being literal will burn in hellfire for all that incest that went on among Adam's family and the family of that Noah.
 

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Certain individuals who are consumed by this topic should refer to the red alert near the end of the following article by Charley Reese,and consider whether it applies to them.

False Issue
by Charley Reese
From:
http://lewrockwell.com/reese/reese9-2.2.html

What in the world is all this flap and hullabaloo about homosexual marriage licenses? Who cares?
This is another of those inconsequential red-herring issues designed to distract you while the politicians steal the country right out from under you. You had better worry about why one euro costs $1.19 rather than whether two homosexuals can get a piece of paper at the county courthouse.​

Logically, to forbid something, one must demonstrate that the forbidden act will cause harm to others. OK. What harm will befall you and me and our children if two homosexuals get a marriage license? Well, I'm waiting. I'm sorry I have nothing to contribute. I can't think of any harm it will cause to anyone.​

The fact that the state has intruded itself as a third party in every marriage does not add to the sanctity of the marriage. It is just a state license, like a license to be a plumber. As far as the state is concerned, a marriage license is a license for a civil union, since the state doesn't care whether a preacher or a notary public marries you.​

"Civil union" is a political euphemism for marriage. It allows the politician to get votes from both sides. The politician can be in favor of civil union but not marriage. That's like a legislator being "personally opposed" to abortion but voting to legalize it. We already have a surplus of hypocrisy in this country. Let's not add to it with euphemisms.​

Well, homosexual acts are against God's law, you say. OK, presumably God will enforce his own laws. You won't find in the Christian Bible any passage that says the responsibility for enforcing God's laws rests with the secular state. There are several acts denoted as sins that are not illegal.
Furthermore, Christianity is a personal religion, not a tribal or state religion. If you wish to be a Christian, then you have a personal obligation to obey the commands of the Christian religion. Whether someone else does or does not is of no concern to you. You can be a devout, scrupulously pure Christian in the midst of the most outrageous sinners. Your obligation is to obey God's commandments, not to compel someone else to do it.​

Protestants in particular have a problem. It was the Protestants who said: "We don't need no Pope or priest to interpret the Bible. Everybody can read it and interpret it for themselves." Well, everybody includes homosexuals. Protestants have been arguing and even fighting over interpretations of the Scripture for centuries, but again, that is a private affair and no concern of the secular state.​

Some people have acted as if state recognition of homosexual marriages will cause the whole of Christian morality to collapse. I hate to be a bearer of bad news, but traditional Christian morality collapsed in this country long before homosexuals came out of the closet. This is a secular, decadent, even freaky society, or have you not noticed? Watch MTV or go to the movies or watch prime-time television. The elites in this country definitely do not practice morality, Christian or otherwise. You are already living in the dawn of a new Dark Age ? or whatever the 21st-century equivalent will turn out to be. Don't sweat homosexual marriage licenses. That is the least of our problems.​

Since I'm not a plumber, the state's policy on plumbers' licenses is not an issue for me. Since I'm not a homosexual, the state's policy on homosexual marriage licenses is not an issue for me. But as a libertarian, I cannot for the life of me understand why so many people have an incurable itch to control other people's lives.​

If homosexuals want a marriage license, give it to them. It won't have any effect whatsoever on our lives or the life of the nation or the course of world history.
And a word to homophobes, most of whom are latent homosexuals themselves: Denying them a marriage license does not convert them into heterosexuals.


November 24, 2003

Charley Reese has been a journalist for 49 years, reporting on everything from sports to politics. From 1969?71, he worked as a campaign staffer for gubernatorial, senatorial and congressional races in several states. He was an editor, assistant to the publisher, and columnist for the Orlando Sentinel from 1971 to 2001. He now writes a syndicated column which is carried on LewRockwell.com. Reese served two years active duty in the U.S. Army as a tank gunner.
 
Re: Society must choose: The Sodomites or Judeo-Christian Tradition

Mark is in the severe manic end of his bipolar cycle....thank goodness for quality pharmacueticals


MARK declares: Let it be known that "Same-Sex Marriage" has never existed in 15,000 years of human history.

Manny: According to that there Holy Bible which you cite as an expert source, humans have only existed for about 6500 years.

Be careful Markie, or God will strike you dead for distorting the Holy message.
 
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Started reading the Bible again today, seeking counsel on what happens to gay Americans who get married.

But got lost in the Book of Genesis and all the incest that was going on after "adam" left the garden and again after Noah survived God's mass murder of humanity.
Maybe it's time you stopped calling yourself a christian. Your beliefs are 180 degrees opposite of true christianity. Your religion is "believe whatever I want and it is O.K...even if it's not true" It is not a sect of christianity (as if there were such a thing)... it is new age, it is the worship of false gods. You are so opposed to everything biblical and Christ-like, why would you want to be associated with a God you call a murderer?

Somehow tolerance is become so huge right now. Tolerate everyone. But it is O.K. for the very ones who are pushing so hard for this to not tolerate christianity. There will come a day if the Lord Jesus Christ does not return soon, that christianity will be against the law in america. Speaking out against homosexuality will be a crime too.

People think they are being nice to tolerate sin but they are just contributing to the degeneration of the world...to which one day a Holy God will judge.

Jesus Christ, the Alpha and the Omega, the King of all Kings, the Passover Lamb...shed his blood for all sins, every sin because He could never tolerate them....as a spotless lamb, without leaven. He became a curse for us, was violently murdered for our sin just as prophecy said. He took upon Himself our shame while He was at it. What a great and mighty God. That is the ultimate in love.

I am unashamed of Him for He is the way, the truth, the life and there is nothing in this world that has even a whiff of value outside of Him. He has the words of eternal life and gives it freely...along with the power to live victoriously filled with the Holy Spirit.

It is true, I hope you will find it for yourself but at least for now I would stop calling Him a murderer and heaping more condemnation on yourself.
 
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??? :+clueless Does Satan prefer a Chapter 7 or a Chapter 13 filing? Does that mean that God prefers credit consolidation over bankruptcy?
Good question. :thumbsup

I think it's fair to say God rejects the modern practice of bankruptcy (and socialism):

"The wicked borrows and does not pay back, but the righteous is gracious and gives."
-- Psalm 37:21


"It is better that you should not vow than that you should vow and not pay.
-- Ecclesiastes 5:5


The problem with bankruptcy is that the omnipotent state swoops in and says the delinquent is off the hook with his/her bills.

Don't you think businesses or people that lend money in good faith would still like to collect their payment?

How 'fair' is it when the borrower made a promise to pay, but is allowed (via this process known as 'bankruptcy') to break a legal contract/agreement?

Hmmm...ya think America's "compassionate" bankruptcy laws had anything to do with the current financial crisis?


Bankruptcy is a scam only a statist could concoct because it is economically AND immorally dysfunctional.

In the real world bankruptcy does not (cannot) exist. Delinquents are made to pay, one way or another -- something any sports gambler with a local bookie operating under the statist radar can vouch for.

Needless to say, God is not too pleased with the arrogant, reckless fiscal policies of King Hussein which are robbing future innocent generations and driving the United States of America toward the edge of bankruptcy. 2938u4ji23

I humbly pray that Jehovah unleashes the gates of hell on the current impostor in the WH and that he is dragged out of office by this Kenyan fingernails in Nixonian disgrace. :thumbsup

Okay...back to the Topic at Hand...

Sodomy: Jehovah's Only Unforgivable Sin
 
Re: Society must choose: The Sodomites or Judeo-Christian Tradition

So what you're saying is I need to overlook all the incestous behavior described in the book of Genesis and overlook God murdering every man, woman and child on planet Earth (save for a lucky eight)?

I'm just looking for a role model. And if it's a mass murderer of all humankind (save for the Lucky Eight), I'm willing to be open-minded.
 
Re: Society must choose: The Sodomites or Judeo-Christian Tradition

MARK takes a stand: Good question.


I think it's fair to say God rejects the modern practice of bankruptcy.

Manny: heh...Comedy Gold...When Mark is going full bipolar manic, he's moving so fast he can't even recognize a tongue in cheek post

Solid
 
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MARK spews: I humbly pray that Jehovah unleashes the gates of hell on the current impostor in the WH

Manny: Ummmm, I think you're spewing so fast you're unwittingly confounding yourself with mixed metaphors.

"The gates of Hell" cannot be unleashed, since they are a mere entryway into the subterranean depths ruled by the Dark Lord, Beelzebub.

However, the "dogs of Hell" can be unleashed, since murderous dogs are normally kept on a leash, to be unleashed when the angry, homicidal master wishes to set them loose on whoever for the moment has drawn his ire.


PLEASE think carefully before publicly declaring your homicidal dreams into an Internet forum. Proper wording of your deep, dark inner hatred is important so that the Reader at Large is not unduly confused about who it is you wish to see slaughtered in the name of your Lord.
 
Re: Society must choose: The Sodomites or Judeo-Christian Tradition

So what you're saying is I need to overlook all the incestous behavior described in the book of Genesis and overlook God murdering every man, woman and child on planet Earth (save for a lucky eight)?

I'm just looking for a role model. And if it's a mass murderer of all humankind (save for the Lucky Eight), I'm willing to be open-minded.
Why was it murder? They were His creation. Everyone dies sometime, it is appointed by God. The world at that time was infested with so much evil...fallen angels procreated with women and nephilm running all about. And just like today they enjoyed God's blessings yet gave Him none of the credit or glory. You don't need a role model you need a Saviour.

And God fights for those who are His. Hes a fighter, a warrior, and lover.
 
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Good question. :thumbsup

I think it's fair to say God rejects the modern practice of bankruptcy (and socialism):

"The wicked borrows and does not pay back, but the righteous is gracious and gives."
-- Psalm 37:21


"It is better that you should not vow than that you should vow and not pay.
-- Ecclesiastes 5:5


The problem with bankruptcy is that the omnipotent state swoops in and says the delinquent is off the hook with his/her bills.

Don't you think businesses or people that lend money in good faith would still like to collect their payment?

How 'fair' is it when the borrower made a promise to pay, but is allowed (via this process known as 'bankruptcy') to break a legal contract/agreement?

Hmmm...ya think America's "compassionate" bankruptcy laws had anything to do with the current financial crisis?


Bankruptcy is a scam only a statist could concoct because it is economically AND immorally dysfunctional.

In the real world bankruptcy does not (cannot) exist. Delinquents are made to pay, one way or another -- something any sports gambler with a local bookie operating under the statist radar can vouch for.

Needless to say, God is not too pleased with the arrogant, reckless fiscal policies of King Hussein which are robbing future innocent generations and driving the United States of America toward the edge of bankruptcy. 2938u4ji23

I humbly pray that Jehovah unleashes the gates of hell on the current impostor in the WH and that he is dragged out of office by this Kenyan fingernails in Nixonian disgrace. :thumbsup

Okay...back to the Topic at Hand...

Sodomy: Jehovah's Only Unforgivable Sin
So, uh, does that mean Beelzebub infiltrated the Constitutional Convention? :+clueless Because Article I, Section 8 of the United States Constitution gives Congress the authority to establish "uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States. . . ." Or were the Founding Fathers also "militant sodomites"?
 
Re: Society must choose: The Sodomites or Judeo-Christian Tradition

MARK takes a stand: Good question.


I think it's fair to say God rejects the modern practice of bankruptcy.

Manny: heh...Comedy Gold...When Mark is going full bipolar manic, he's moving so fast he can't even recognize a tongue in cheek post

Solid
Unless I get sleepy, this thread has the potential to go Platinum. . .:houra

Public Service Report: Semi-wacky font color treatment dedicated to you-know-who. . .
 
Re: Society must choose: The Sodomites or Judeo-Christian Tradition

And I don't believe the world is 6000 years old though I could be wrong. I don't believe in evolution but I believe God's first 7 days were probably more like thousands, or hundreds of thousands, Maybe millions of our years.

And it wasnt' incest until the law. Then it became sin.
 
Re: Society must choose: The Sodomites or Judeo-Christian Tradition

And God fights for those who are His. Hes a fighter, a warrior, and lover.
And a homicidal maniac according to some. Killing every man, woman and baby on the planet save for eight individuals is nothing short of a psychotic rage.


Fortunately, many folks realize that myth is just that - a fable designed to scare the patootie out of gullible readers.
 
Re: Society must choose: The Sodomites or Judeo-Christian Tradition

And I don't believe the world is 6000 years old though I could be wrong. I don't believe in evolution but I believe God's first 7 days were probably more like thousands, or hundreds of thousands, Maybe millions of our years.

And it wasnt' incest until the law. Then it became sin.
According to the ages of the lineage laid out in the first books of the New Testament and the book of Genesis, the time span between Adam and Jesus Christ was about 4500 years.

Oh and thanks for clarifying that when Adam and his sons banged out their sisters and mothers to help expand the human race it was not incest.
 
Re: Society must choose: The Sodomites or Judeo-Christian Tradition

So, uh, does that mean Beelzebub infiltrated the Constitutional Convention? :+clueless Because Article I, Section 8 of the United States Constitution gives Congress the authority to establish "uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States. . . ." Or were the Founding Fathers also "militant sodomites"?
I'm not totally sure, but I'm PRETTY sure that in Joe C's twisted paranoid perception of the world, sodomites are fucking EVERYWHERE, man.
 
Re: Society must choose: The Sodomites or Judeo-Christian Tradition

4625...your attempts at levity are respectfully noted.

But if you're going to tweak the font color of the word GOLD, you'd get more laughs if you used a Gold colored font instead of red

Sincerely

Chuckles the Clown
 
Re: Society must choose: The Sodomites or Judeo-Christian Tradition

I tried playing around with it; but the gold option didn't have the pizazz that I've become accustomed to from witnessing the efforts of our resident wacky font expert. I probably should have added some sort of zany smiley-face to emphasize my point, or maybe changed the font size for added punch and persuasiveness. . .
 
Re: Society must choose: The Sodomites or Judeo-Christian Tradition

Why was it murder? They were His creation. Everyone dies sometime, it is appointed by God. The world at that time was infested with so much evil...fallen angels procreated with women and nephilm running all about. And just like today they enjoyed God's blessings yet gave Him none of the credit or glory. You don't need a role model you need a Saviour.

And God fights for those who are His. Hes a fighter, a warrior, and lover.
Unlike that nutjob Deepak Chopra (the god "Manny" takes his moral cues from), Kornholio is right on the money. :thumbsup

Damn straight God condones -- even encourages -- killing on massive scales when called for.

As matter of fact, the civilized society also clearly discerns between murder and killing (self-preservation) -- again, not a distinction "Manny" the:snort: makes each time he defames anyone who serves in the American military.

Btw, I can feel the rising blood pressure as "Manny" would love nothing more than to be able to *beep, beep, beep* my posts: silence voices of unvarnished truth ("hate speech" in "Mannyspeak").

:finger004The "views" from this thread alone must be tearing his toxic guts apart. :finger004

Hey "Manny":

Thousands and thousands of people across the net don't read my copy because of my occasional grammatical blunders or even my captivating cyber caricatures...they read them because my copy resonates with the silent majority.

Much like our loving Creator (who btw is not the least bit pleased with your sick perverted proclivities), most rational thinking people oppose the militant sodomite agenda because they are beyond sick:

http://www.zombietime.com/up_your_alley_2008/
***WARNING! CONTENT IS VERY GRAPHIC***

Joe C's Thought of the Day:

Anyone who is thoroughly wicked -- I mean THOROUGHLY -- will also be evil in their sex life. That is a given.

Every mass-murderer in history had some deep-seeded sexual demon within them.

Take the biggest one of all: Adolf Hitler.

Was Hitler a sodomite? We don’t really know, but what we do know is virtually all of his close associates were -- and it is known Hitler was very sexually twisted. (4 of his 5 girlfriends committed suicide as well). :doh1

Another (current) example:

The Dear Leader of North Korea -- who officially sets himself up as a kind a god himself -- is known as being extremely sexually perverted.

So yes, sexual perversion of all kinds -- and evil -- go hand in hand, for there is no greater sin than he who rejects how God made him, and no greater sin against women than to reject how God made them. (I love that quote! :thumbsup)

So yes, my dear readers, the militant sodomite agenda and the destruction it has caused the civilized society, is wicked beyond words -- absolutely. 2938u4ji23
 
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MARK self-lathers with: The "views" from this thread alone....

Manny: Well, there's 152 posts in this thread with 671 Views.....So that's about five people reopening the thread to read Each Reply.

And since two of those five are you - Mark - and me - Barman - I'd say that we should share the credit for entertaining the other three or four people who have opened this Thread more than a couple times in the past ten days.

Let's face it Markie.

You and I make a good team. Without our cyber sparring, this EOG politics forum would have been nothing but unread Doc Mercer and Nic Darvos threads for the past month.
 
Re: Society must choose: The Sodomites or Judeo-Christian Tradition

Mark, that guy on the zombietime website must be your hero since he spent at least several hours walking around the gay pride festival taking 100+ photos of guys sucking dick.
 

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What you contemplate you imitate
Re: Society must choose: The Sodomites or Judeo-Christian Tradition



Certain individuals who are consumed by this topic should refer to the red alert near the end of the following article by Charley Reese,and consider whether it applies to them.

False Issue
by Charley Reese
From:
http://lewrockwell.com/reese/reese9-2.2.html

What in the world is all this flap and hullabaloo about homosexual marriage licenses? Who cares?
This is another of those inconsequential red-herring issues designed to distract you while the politicians steal the country right out from under you. You had better worry about why one euro costs $1.19 rather than whether two homosexuals can get a piece of paper at the county courthouse.​

Logically, to forbid something, one must demonstrate that the forbidden act will cause harm to others. OK. What harm will befall you and me and our children if two homosexuals get a marriage license? Well, I'm waiting. I'm sorry I have nothing to contribute. I can't think of any harm it will cause to anyone.​

The fact that the state has intruded itself as a third party in every marriage does not add to the sanctity of the marriage. It is just a state license, like a license to be a plumber. As far as the state is concerned, a marriage license is a license for a civil union, since the state doesn't care whether a preacher or a notary public marries you.​

"Civil union" is a political euphemism for marriage. It allows the politician to get votes from both sides. The politician can be in favor of civil union but not marriage. That's like a legislator being "personally opposed" to abortion but voting to legalize it. We already have a surplus of hypocrisy in this country. Let's not add to it with euphemisms.​

Well, homosexual acts are against God's law, you say. OK, presumably God will enforce his own laws. You won't find in the Christian Bible any passage that says the responsibility for enforcing God's laws rests with the secular state. There are several acts denoted as sins that are not illegal.
Furthermore, Christianity is a personal religion, not a tribal or state religion. If you wish to be a Christian, then you have a personal obligation to obey the commands of the Christian religion. Whether someone else does or does not is of no concern to you. You can be a devout, scrupulously pure Christian in the midst of the most outrageous sinners. Your obligation is to obey God's commandments, not to compel someone else to do it.​

Protestants in particular have a problem. It was the Protestants who said: "We don't need no Pope or priest to interpret the Bible. Everybody can read it and interpret it for themselves." Well, everybody includes homosexuals. Protestants have been arguing and even fighting over interpretations of the Scripture for centuries, but again, that is a private affair and no concern of the secular state.​

Some people have acted as if state recognition of homosexual marriages will cause the whole of Christian morality to collapse. I hate to be a bearer of bad news, but traditional Christian morality collapsed in this country long before homosexuals came out of the closet. This is a secular, decadent, even freaky society, or have you not noticed? Watch MTV or go to the movies or watch prime-time television. The elites in this country definitely do not practice morality, Christian or otherwise. You are already living in the dawn of a new Dark Age ? or whatever the 21st-century equivalent will turn out to be. Don't sweat homosexual marriage licenses. That is the least of our problems.​

Since I'm not a plumber, the state's policy on plumbers' licenses is not an issue for me. Since I'm not a homosexual, the state's policy on homosexual marriage licenses is not an issue for me. But as a libertarian, I cannot for the life of me understand why so many people have an incurable itch to control other people's lives.​

If homosexuals want a marriage license, give it to them. It won't have any effect whatsoever on our lives or the life of the nation or the course of world history.
And a word to homophobes, most of whom are latent homosexuals themselves: Denying them a marriage license does not convert them into heterosexuals.


November 24, 2003

Charley Reese has been a journalist for 49 years, reporting on everything from sports to politics. From 1969?71, he worked as a campaign staffer for gubernatorial, senatorial and congressional races in several states. He was an editor, assistant to the publisher, and columnist for the Orlando Sentinel from 1971 to 2001. He now writes a syndicated column which is carried on LewRockwell.com. Reese served two years active duty in the U.S. Army as a tank gunner.
Clever marketing by the Gillette Corporation,trying to sell more product by playing into male insecurity,anxiety,and vanity,or something more insidious?
Is this an example of homo-sexual influences finding their way into the larger culture?
Real?How to shave your balls:
A lesson from Gillette
From:
http://www.curiousread.com/2009/05/real-how-to-shave-your-balls-lesson.html

This can't be for real. Can it? Can it? Gillette wants men to shave their cue balls?! Serious. This is their rationale: "When there is no underbrush... the tree looks taller?!" Did Doctor Evil infiltrate their company? WTF? Watch it for yourself.
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What you contemplate you imitate
Re: Society must choose: The Sodomites or Judeo-Christian Tradition

MARK self-lathers with: The "views" from this thread alone....

Manny: Well, there's 152 posts in this thread with 671 Views.....So that's about five people reopening the thread to read Each Reply.

And since two of those five are you - Mark - and me - Barman - I'd say that we should share the credit for entertaining the other three or four people who have opened this Thread more than a couple times in the past ten days.

Let's face it Markie.

You and I make a good team. Without our cyber sparring, this EOG politics forum would have been nothing but unread Doc Mercer and Nic Darvos threads for the past month.
This thread has certainly penetrated deep into the subject matter,and there seems to be quite a bit of interest exhibited in this topic going by the high view count.
Here's some natural images that are open to interpretation depending on the viewers philosophical inclination somewhat:

5/29/2009
10 Most Suggestive Cacti On Earth

Image:Alex T
[via environmentalgraffiti] Today, we?d like to take a look at a plant that is especially close to our, er, hearts ? the cactus! The following pictures will prove that this prickly green friend can be quite a source of amusement.

First, let us introduce the species with a little help from Wikipedia: ?Cacti are distinctive and unusual plants (you bet), which are adapted to extremely arid and hot environments (absolutely), showing a wide range of anatomical and physiological features (ah-huh, we?re listening) which conserve water. Their stems have adapted to become photosynthetic and succulent, while the leaves have become the spines for which cacti are well known. Cacti come in a wide range of shapes and sizes? ? though we all know that size doesn?t matter.

This red cactus is apparently common in Yucatan and even said to have, er, enhancing properties if boiled and eaten as a soup. Right?

Image: Unknown photographer via Squidoo

The next specimen belongs to the Cephalocereus gaumeri species and is often referred to as ?old man? cactus, because of the white wool on top looking like long white hairs ? not what you?re thinking. The limp things hanging down from the cactus fruits are flower remains. Maybe it?s not a cactus man after all?

Image via Backyard Nature

What this cactus seems to have too much of?

Image: Becka Spence

? this one seems to lack. Little blue pills, anyone?

Image: Jay Free

It?ll take some balls to come out of hiding:

Image:Emilio

Tom, Dick and Harry playing the same old tune?

Image: Unknown photographer via Picture for fun

Pretties in pink:

Image:Jay Gooby

Subtlety is not his strength:

Image: Unknown photographer via Holybug

Going somewhere?

Image:Frobo512

At the risk of this post missing good taste by a few inches, here?s a real ?cactus? problem regarding someone?s ?red ball cactus? that will leave you speechless:
?I believe that is the name, it was a green stock with a red prickley ball on the top. I recieved it in first grade and a few years later, the ball dried up. I still have it and the ball is still attached but it is dried up and yellow/brown?. Could you let me know if there is anything I could do to make my cactus less overwhelming??
Told you! There?s nothing we could possibly add after this excursion into nature?s sense of humour.

From:
http://www.curiousread.com/2009/05/10-most-suggestive-cacti-on-earth.html

 

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Re: Society must choose: The Sodomites or Judeo-Christian Tradition

Art Imitates Life-
How far outside social boundaries do you dare venture?

Salvador Dali:Temptation of St. Anthony
George Michael -Outside(Uncut Video)
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George Michael - Outside (Uncut Video)
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Darn this President trying to offer respect to all Americans!

Here's hoping that Mark's day to finally enter into an ongoing heterosexual relationship with a real adult female comes soon. Then perhaps he'll become less obsessed with how the rest of the world gets theirs.
 
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