Sports betting in NJ this fall
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Never happen.....but good luck
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Never happen.....but good luck
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5/24/12 Christie: NJ will start sports bets on its own
Christie: NJ will start sports bets on its own
WAYNE PARRY Associated Press | Posted: Thursday, May 24, 2012 3:43 pm
ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. (AP) — Sports betting could be up and running this fall in New Jersey under a plan proposed by Gov. Chris Christie.
The governor, who earlier this year signed a sports betting law, says New Jersey will act on its own to implement sports betting, defying a federal ban on such wagering in all but four states.
During a speech Thursday in Atlantic City, Christie said he expects the federal government might try to stop New Jersey from offering sports betting. But he's confident the state will prevail in such a scenario.
The U.S. Department of Justice did not immediately respond to a request for comment Thursday afternoon.
Sports bets would be taken at Atlantic City casinos and the state's four horse tracks.
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5/24/12 Christie: NJ will start sports bets on its own
Christie: NJ will start sports bets on its own
WAYNE PARRY Associated Press | Posted: Thursday, May 24, 2012 3:43 pm
ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. (AP) — Sports betting could be up and running this fall in New Jersey under a plan proposed by Gov. Chris Christie.
The governor, who earlier this year signed a sports betting law, says New Jersey will act on its own to implement sports betting, defying a federal ban on such wagering in all but four states.
During a speech Thursday in Atlantic City, Christie said he expects the federal government might try to stop New Jersey from offering sports betting. But he's confident the state will prevail in such a scenario.
The U.S. Department of Justice did not immediately respond to a request for comment Thursday afternoon.
Sports bets would be taken at Atlantic City casinos and the state's four horse tracks.
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it will happen ........ it will not be passing state lines..... you will see it before the Superbowl at met life stadium in nj........just like the way poker and the track came to new jersey ....this is the final part of the puzzle
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it will happen ........ it will not be passing state lines..... you will see it before the Superbowl at met life stadium in nj........just like the way poker and the track came to new jersey ....this is the final part of the puzzle
LCD
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The world is changing. It would have been better if this happened 20 years ago but it's going to make a lot of things different and probably better now. I don't like Christie but he's smart enough politically to figure that he's not going to end up with his dick waving in the wind on this. It's better if it happens now so that Romney (if he wins, since he's more likely to have a problem with it) can't fuck things up. If NJ does get sports betting then it will be pretty lol what will happen with the other 49 states.
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The world is changing. It would have been better if this happened 20 years ago but it's going to make a lot of things different and probably better now. I don't like Christie but he's smart enough politically to figure that he's not going to end up with his dick waving in the wind on this. It's better if it happens now so that Romney (if he wins, since he's more likely to have a problem with it) can't fuck things up. If NJ does get sports betting then it will be pretty lol what will happen with the other 49 states.
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Delaware tried the same identical thing 3 yrs ago.. Immediately the NFL challenged the State ruling by a Federal appeals board and got the Delaware law overturned. The state was only allowed to have parlay betting on the NFL and NO betting at all on Baseball or Basketball.
I will be BEYOND shocked if NJ gets this!
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Delaware tried the same identical thing 3 yrs ago.. Immediately the NFL challenged the State ruling by a Federal appeals board and got the Delaware law overturned. The state was only allowed to have parlay betting on the NFL and NO betting at all on Baseball or Basketball.
I will be BEYOND shocked if NJ gets this!
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It's irrelevant that the betting doesn't pass state lines. The Congress can regulate interstate commerce, and the term "interstate commerce" in the US Constitution has come to be interpreted to mean almost any commerce, because almost any commerce will have some effect on other states. If this gets anywhere past the planning stage, the NFL (supported by the NCAA) will bring suit to get first a temporary injunction and then a permanent one to halt its implementation.
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It's irrelevant that the betting doesn't pass state lines. The Congress can regulate interstate commerce, and the term "interstate commerce" in the US Constitution has come to be interpreted to mean almost any commerce, because almost any commerce will have some effect on other states. If this gets anywhere past the planning stage, the NFL (supported by the NCAA) will bring suit to get first a temporary injunction and then a permanent one to halt its implementation.
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The cases aren't identical. NJ has an even weaker case.
There was a big difference with Delaware in that it had been grandfathered to allow sports betting in the form it had before the federal Bradley bill was passed. The Delaware law wasn't overturned by the Federal court, just modified to only allow the limited betting prescribed by the federal Bradley bill. The state could have appealed to the US Supreme Court, but decided it wasn't worth it.
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The cases aren't identical. NJ has an even weaker case.
There was a big difference with Delaware in that it had been grandfathered to allow sports betting in the form it had before the federal Bradley bill was passed. The Delaware law wasn't overturned by the Federal court, just modified to only allow the limited betting prescribed by the federal Bradley bill. The state could have appealed to the US Supreme Court, but decided it wasn't worth it.
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The US Supreme Court has REFUSED to even hear the case brought by NJ a couple of years ago.
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The US Supreme Court has REFUSED to even hear the case brought by NJ a couple of years ago.
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sorry Bob I think you are way off base on this one.... Going to the casino's since day one years ago in NJ ....this is how Jersey operates... they started with having to wear a jacket to enter Resorts International the 1st casino....then 24 hour then the track then poker....this is the last part of the puzzle....the Superbowl will be part of it in New Jersey at met life stadium.....being from NJ for most of my life...easy to read .... the wording was changed as a defense against the NFL and the feds.... save this post of mine.... dinner at michaels at south point if I am wrong ..... the met life superbowl in nj is the deadline 30 days later payable....u will see
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sorry Bob I think you are way off base on this one.... Going to the casino's since day one years ago in NJ ....this is how Jersey operates... they started with having to wear a jacket to enter Resorts International the 1st casino....then 24 hour then the track then poker....this is the last part of the puzzle....the Superbowl will be part of it in New Jersey at met life stadium.....being from NJ for most of my life...easy to read .... the wording was changed as a defense against the NFL and the feds.... save this post of mine.... dinner at michaels at south point if I am wrong ..... the met life superbowl in nj is the deadline 30 days later payable....u will see
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The NFL will crush NJ's case so fast it will make your head swim. I doubt any private sports betting vendor would even talk with NJ at this stage because of the legal uncertainties.
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The NFL will crush NJ's case so fast it will make your head swim. I doubt any private sports betting vendor would even talk with NJ at this stage because of the legal uncertainties.
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Totally agree. NJ has no case.
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Totally agree. NJ has no case.
LCD
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That's it. They're not bringing a case. They're going to do it. And thinking that Goodell's NFL (bounty scandal, concussion cases, remember the whole labor thing) is going to be some kind of bulwark against the legalization of sports betting is giving them a little too much credit. Do you really think that a conservative governor of a major state in an election year just decided to do this for laughs and he really has no chance of pulling it off.
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That's it. They're not bringing a case. They're going to do it. And thinking that Goodell's NFL (bounty scandal, concussion cases, remember the whole labor thing) is going to be some kind of bulwark against the legalization of sports betting is giving them a little too much credit. Do you really think that a conservative governor of a major state in an election year just decided to do this for laughs and he really has no chance of pulling it off.
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MrTop v ComptrBob.
Bob's undefeated streak is on the line and I'm not betting against him here.
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MrTop v ComptrBob.
Bob's undefeated streak is on the line and I'm not betting against him here.
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Well it is my treat at dinner at Michaels at South point if legal betting os allowed at the met life NJ Superbowl is the deadline.....JK you can come too .....
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Well it is my treat at dinner at Michaels at South point if legal betting os allowed at the met life NJ Superbowl is the deadline.....JK you can come too .....
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LOL .. the NFL will get a quick injuncion, The DOJ will use Federal agents to enforce it and Obama will activate the National Guard if necessary. Time and time again, from the Whiskey Rebellion in 1791 to the present, you don't mess with the Feds.
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LOL .. the NFL will get a quick injuncion, The DOJ will use Federal agents to enforce it and Obama will activate the National Guard if necessary. Time and time again, from the Whiskey Rebellion in 1791 to the present, you don't mess with the Feds.
LCD
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My head's swimming. The big bad NFL filled with owners like Kraft who want betting legalized. As for the sport betting vendors what reason would there be for them to not talk to New Jersey. Is Goodell going to give them the silent treatment. No Christmas hams this year.
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My head's swimming. The big bad NFL filled with owners like Kraft who want betting legalized. As for the sport betting vendors what reason would there be for them to not talk to New Jersey. Is Goodell going to give them the silent treatment. No Christmas hams this year.
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op:
Thanks for the invitation, MrTop.
Call me America's Guest.
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op:Thanks for the invitation, MrTop.
Call me America's Guest.
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BTW, I think the NFL is stupid for its severe anti-gambling stance, but I'm just going by their track record for pursuing gambling entities for such as ridiculous things like copyright infringements for using the term "SuperBowl" to the suit against Delaware to prevent straight bets and props!
Vendor smay well talk to NJ, but at the top of the agenda is how are you going to make this legal and how are you going to indemnify us and our personnel for violating a federal law?
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BTW, I think the NFL is stupid for its severe anti-gambling stance, but I'm just going by their track record for pursuing gambling entities for such as ridiculous things like copyright infringements for using the term "SuperBowl" to the suit against Delaware to prevent straight bets and props!
Vendor smay well talk to NJ, but at the top of the agenda is how are you going to make this legal and how are you going to indemnify us and our personnel for violating a federal law?
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the betting will take place for the Met life Superbowl for sure..... this has been already decided... just think of all the people from NYC coming over to the meadowlands to bet on the game ? New Jersey wants this and will get it
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Thanks for the invitation, MrTop.
Call me America's Guest.
the betting will take place for the Met life Superbowl for sure..... this has been already decided... just think of all the people from NYC coming over to the meadowlands to bet on the game ? New Jersey wants this and will get it
LCD
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Kraft is the one having dinner with Wynn. There are other NFL owners who aren't particularly happy with the fact that the NFL is the primary engine of an untaxed underground and offshore economy worth hundreds of billions of dollars. The Super Bowl in the Meadowlands is another pawn in the game. But just assuming that the past and the future will always be the same is right until it's wrong. There are a hundred things involved in this. You want to start listing them. Here's number one:
http://money.cnn.com/news/storysupplement/economy/state_debt/index.html
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Kraft is the one having dinner with Wynn. There are other NFL owners who aren't particularly happy with the fact that the NFL is the primary engine of an untaxed underground and offshore economy worth hundreds of billions of dollars. The Super Bowl in the Meadowlands is another pawn in the game. But just assuming that the past and the future will always be the same is right until it's wrong. There are a hundred things involved in this. You want to start listing them. Here's number one:
http://money.cnn.com/news/storysupplement/economy/state_debt/index.html
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very true New Jersey is broke ......... Sports betting will help the tracks and the casino's bring people in.............which will help with construction in the state.......
the meadowlands is not prepared for all the people that will come to new jersey to bet from across the river..............hotels and other businesses will have to be built
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very true New Jersey is broke ......... Sports betting will help the tracks and the casino's bring people in.............which will help with construction in the state.......
the meadowlands is not prepared for all the people that will come to new jersey to bet from across the river..............hotels and other businesses will have to be built
Mr. Smith
EOG Master
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first someone is going to have to drag NJ into court.
Then NJ case may not be weaker than Delaware since a goofy middle ground ruling, ( You can have bets, but just parlays) seems impossible this time since NJ never took those before.
as far as getting the federal law overturned, the federal gov't isnt allowed to make laws that favor certain states over others.
So why can Harrahs on the Las Vegas strip under federal law take sports bets but one in Atlantic City can't?
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first someone is going to have to drag NJ into court.
Then NJ case may not be weaker than Delaware since a goofy middle ground ruling, ( You can have bets, but just parlays) seems impossible this time since NJ never took those before.
as far as getting the federal law overturned, the federal gov't isnt allowed to make laws that favor certain states over others.
So why can Harrahs on the Las Vegas strip under federal law take sports bets but one in Atlantic City can't?
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"I love the idea of playing offense and having the federal government have to play defense against us," Tony Rodio, president of Tropicana Entertainment, which owns the Tropicana in Atlantic City, told the Associated Press. "But I don't know who's going to want to be the first to open knowing they can shut you down. We'd need a lot more clarity before we invested lots of money in a sports book."
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"I love the idea of playing offense and having the federal government have to play defense against us," Tony Rodio, president of Tropicana Entertainment, which owns the Tropicana in Atlantic City, told the Associated Press. "But I don't know who's going to want to be the first to open knowing they can shut you down. We'd need a lot more clarity before we invested lots of money in a sports book."
Mr. Smith
EOG Master
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some Vegas companies would be in line to run books in NJ
some other Vegas companies are totally indifferent to operating sportsbooks in nevada.
I doubt Vegas lobbyists are a problem
The nazi DOJ and nazi NFL is.
has anyone else considered that the NFL and DOJ might have some motivation to work out some sort of deal with NJ, lest they fight it out and lose? if they lose then the 50 states could decide one by one whether to pass laws legalizing sports betting. Which is how it ought to be...
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some Vegas companies would be in line to run books in NJ
some other Vegas companies are totally indifferent to operating sportsbooks in nevada.
I doubt Vegas lobbyists are a problem
The nazi DOJ and nazi NFL is.
has anyone else considered that the NFL and DOJ might have some motivation to work out some sort of deal with NJ, lest they fight it out and lose? if they lose then the 50 states could decide one by one whether to pass laws legalizing sports betting. Which is how it ought to be...
Mr. Smith
EOG Master
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NJ has motivation for a deal. If they can somehow get LV style sportsbooks ( not just parlays) AND its still illegal in surrounding states, that is optimal for NJ.
what is killing NJ is casinos being legalized in surrounding states and customers in those states dont need to drive to AC anymore. if sportsbetting is legal everywhere, that is worth much less to NJ than if they can get it, but everyone else cant
not sure the DOJ will be interested inplaying lets make a deal
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NJ has motivation for a deal. If they can somehow get LV style sportsbooks ( not just parlays) AND its still illegal in surrounding states, that is optimal for NJ.
what is killing NJ is casinos being legalized in surrounding states and customers in those states dont need to drive to AC anymore. if sportsbetting is legal everywhere, that is worth much less to NJ than if they can get it, but everyone else cant
not sure the DOJ will be interested inplaying lets make a deal
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a deal could have been worked out already when the NFL awarded New Jersey with the bowl
or maybe it will be worked out....but I see sports betting happening ...for many reasons....
closing out the other states ....i don't know
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a deal could have been worked out already when the NFL awarded New Jersey with the bowl
or maybe it will be worked out....but I see sports betting happening ...for many reasons....
closing out the other states ....i don't know
Doughy
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Mr. Smith, Vegas cares a lot. It would severely damage Vegas tourism which is already hurting. I, for one, would never trek all the way to Vegas when I can take a 2 hour flight to New Jersey.
On another note, it was discussed on EOG re: Delaware about Delaware potentially trying to circumvent the parlay rule by offering, say, "Over/Under 1 point" totals along with any side. Technically, it's a parlay. I'm guessing they weren't able to get away with that.
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Mr. Smith, Vegas cares a lot. It would severely damage Vegas tourism which is already hurting. I, for one, would never trek all the way to Vegas when I can take a 2 hour flight to New Jersey.
On another note, it was discussed on EOG re: Delaware about Delaware potentially trying to circumvent the parlay rule by offering, say, "Over/Under 1 point" totals along with any side. Technically, it's a parlay. I'm guessing they weren't able to get away with that.
Mr. Smith
EOG Master
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many states are broke and have unfunded union pensions up to their eyeballs. desperation is setting in. states are willing to expand gambling, mostly casino and slot houses or racinos in ways they were not willing to before.
I think some state rep in California recently proposed making sportsbetting legal there. other states are going to want in on sportsbetting. they are desperate for revenue
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many states are broke and have unfunded union pensions up to their eyeballs. desperation is setting in. states are willing to expand gambling, mostly casino and slot houses or racinos in ways they were not willing to before.
I think some state rep in California recently proposed making sportsbetting legal there. other states are going to want in on sportsbetting. they are desperate for revenue
Mr. Smith
EOG Master
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MGM Mirage and Harrahs are the politically connected heavyweights in nevada. without looking it up, I believe they both have AC properties. other Vegas operators like Luckys, Cantor Gaming, Cal_Neva would line up to operate sportsbooks at any casinos in NJ that want to farm out the risk
I will agree to disagree with you doughboy, I dont believe Las Vegas is going to try and stop NJ
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MGM Mirage and Harrahs are the politically connected heavyweights in nevada. without looking it up, I believe they both have AC properties. other Vegas operators like Luckys, Cantor Gaming, Cal_Neva would line up to operate sportsbooks at any casinos in NJ that want to farm out the risk
I will agree to disagree with you doughboy, I dont believe Las Vegas is going to try and stop NJ
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Yeah, I think I posted a similar idea, but not quite so outlandish as a total of 1, something like a three teamer with any side and two 21 point teased totals that paid at an overall -110.
Since then, I chatted with Jimmy Vaccaro who is the Director of Sports Operations and PR for Lucky's. They run the Delaware sports betting operation. He said they considered such schemes, but did not want to run the risk of another injunction.
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Yeah, I think I posted a similar idea, but not quite so outlandish as a total of 1, something like a three teamer with any side and two 21 point teased totals that paid at an overall -110.
Since then, I chatted with Jimmy Vaccaro who is the Director of Sports Operations and PR for Lucky's. They run the Delaware sports betting operation. He said they considered such schemes, but did not want to run the risk of another injunction.