Texas mask mandate

"The massive drop in rates ended when the mask mandate ended and there has only been a slow decrease since then despite a huge jump in numbers of vaccinated people. Most people would agree that likely the lack of masks has slowed the decrease in cases caused by vaccinations but thankfully we have you and your ridiculous campaign that masks are useless."
 
"Yet despite admitting cases are affected by a wide variety of factors, you still want to pretend any increase is because masks are useless."
 

MonkeyF0cker

EOG Dedicated
There's a simple solution here, retard.

Show one state that had mask mandates that borders a state that didn't have mask mandates throughout (or never had mandates at all) and show how much better they did than those neighboring states.

But you can't. Not only because it can be refuted easily with the actual data, but because you're incapable of thinking for yourself and don't have your ridiculous propaganda to argue it for you.
 

mr merlin

EOG Master
"The massive drop in rates ended when the mask mandate ended and there has only been a slow decrease since then despite a huge jump in numbers of vaccinated people. Most people would agree that likely the lack of masks has slowed the decrease in cases caused by vaccinations but thankfully we have you and your ridiculous campaign that masks are useless."
TX cases are still dropping, hospitalizations are still dropping(at a good clip), and positivity is still dropping(at all time lows).

TX has about 2100 people in the hospital, they had 3K 3 weeks ago, you cant do much better than that since some people stay for a long time.

As far as vaccination rates goes, the highest states - those with numbers well above 70%, show no signs of a case collapse, they seem to be declining slightly but pretty much in sink with states that are doing rather poorly(rates in the mid 40's)
 
There's a simple solution here, retard.

Show one state that had mask mandates that borders a state that didn't have mask mandates throughout (or never had mandates at all) and show how much better they did than those neighboring states.

That's no solution. It's an utter waste of time, as i've repeatedly elaborated in detail to you. Please review that content & address it. If you are capable.
 
TX cases are still dropping, hospitalizations are still dropping(at a good clip), and positivity is still dropping(at all time lows).

TX has about 2100 people in the hospital, they had 3K 3 weeks ago, you cant do much better than that since some people stay for a long time.

As far as vaccination rates goes, the highest states - those with numbers well above 70%, show no signs of a case collapse, they seem to be declining slightly but pretty much in sink with states that are doing rather poorly(rates in the mid 40's)

What is the source of your claims above? Anti vaccine websites?

This says no state has reached 70% vaccinations even for just one shot:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/covid-19-vaccine-doses.html

And the number is much lower for the fully vaccinated.

"We now have ample data to show that the vaccines also block transmission. The ability of this virus to transmit from individuals who are infected but do not show symptoms (asymptomatic) has been the reason it was previously so difficult to contain. But multiple studies at this point show us that vaccines massively reduce asymptomatic infection. A March CDC study showed a 90 percent reduction in asymptomatic infections among vaccinated front-line workers, and another study this month shows an 86 percent reduction among vaccinated health-care workers in Israel. Other studies confirm at least an 86 percent to 92 percent reduction in asymptomatic infection after vaccination."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/05/18/vaccines-no-masks-cdc/
 

MonkeyF0cker

EOG Dedicated
That's no solution. It's an utter waste of time, as i've repeatedly elaborated in detail to you. Please review that content & address it. If you are capable.

It's definitely a waste of time for you, because it's not only impossible to find data that supports your propaganda, but you don't have the mental capacity to acquire it in the first place.
 
"The massive drop in rates ended when the mask mandate ended and there has only been a slow decrease since then despite a huge jump in numbers of vaccinated people. Most people would agree that likely the lack of masks has slowed the decrease in cases caused by vaccinations but thankfully we have you and your ridiculous campaign that masks are useless."

Re Ontario Canada:

Hmm. People started wearing masks in April. Case numbers in the first wave peaked in April. Numbers kept going down as more people wore masks.
 

mr merlin

EOG Master
What is the source of your claims above? Anti vaccine websites?

This says no state has reached 70% vaccinations even for just one shot:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/covid-19-vaccine-doses.html

And the number is much lower for the fully vaccinated.

"We now have ample data to show that the vaccines also block transmission. The ability of this virus to transmit from individuals who are infected but do not show symptoms (asymptomatic) has been the reason it was previously so difficult to contain. But multiple studies at this point show us that vaccines massively reduce asymptomatic infection. A March CDC study showed a 90 percent reduction in asymptomatic infections among vaccinated front-line workers, and another study this month shows an 86 percent reduction among vaccinated health-care workers in Israel. Other studies confirm at least an 86 percent to 92 percent reduction in asymptomatic infection after vaccination."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/05/18/vaccines-no-masks-cdc/
looks like 7 or 8 states are above 70%.. Data is not hard sir.

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cheapseats

EOG Master
Age is for the most part bull. The invented health equity #, which measures high density, poor areas is what matters in any state. And, it is those areas where there is significant pushback to the Vax. Go figure.
 
As far as vaccination rates goes, the highest states - those with numbers well above 70%, show no signs of a case collapse, they seem to be declining slightly but pretty much in sink with states that are doing rather poorly(rates in the mid 40's)


looks like 7 or 8 states are above 70%.. Data is not hard sir.

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Vermont, at the top of your list, with 78.4% vaccinated age 18+ year olds with at least one dose....infection chart shows infections are strongly sloping downwards, since a peak on April 3/20:

https://www.google.com/search?q=ver...hUKEwim-p7Bn9rwAhWFt54KHZvlB_wQ4dUDCBE&uact=5

Mississippi, at the bottom of your list, with 42.5% vaccinated age 18+ year olds with at least one dose....infection chart shows infections are merely holding steady or flatlining since April 3/20:

https://www.google.com/search?q=mis...rome..69i57.7042j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
 

Valuist

EOG Master
"The massive drop in rates ended when the mask mandate ended and there has only been a slow decrease since then despite a huge jump in numbers of vaccinated people. Most people would agree that likely the lack of masks has slowed the decrease in cases caused by vaccinations but thankfully we have you and your ridiculous campaign that masks are useless."

Who had the strongest mask mandates? New York, Jersey, Michigan, Illinois and Ca. Guess who got hit the hardest?

How about Biden not being taken to task by the media? Two months ago, he claimed Texas was "neanderthals" for getting rid of the mask mandate. Epic fail, Joe.
 
Who had the strongest mask mandates? New York, Jersey, Michigan, Illinois and Ca. Guess who got hit the hardest?

NY, for example, has far higher population density than, say, Texas.

NYC 27,000 people per square mile
Dallas 3,818

NY State over 65: about 16% or 1 in 6
Texas over 65: under 13%

Which state, NY or Texas was hit first with many infected from early pandemic hotspots like China, Iran & Italy.

Which state got way way way more visitors from hotspot areas.

Which state has more citizens with preexisting conditions.

Mask mandates & use kept NYC from a worse outcome.

How about Biden not being taken to task by the media? Two months ago, he claimed Texas was "neanderthals" for getting rid of the mask mandate. Epic fail, Joe.

Biden may be right. Removal of masks two months ago has surely led to more suffering, long term illness and deaths in Texas.
 
"In early march, Texas became the first state to abolish its mask mandate and lift capacity constraints for all businesses.

"... Nine weeks later, the result seems to be less than catastrophic. In fact, in a new paper, economists at Bentley University and San Diego State University found that Abbott’s order had practically no effect on COVID-19 cases.

[One] "...possibility is that Abbott’s decision didn’t matter very much because other factors—such as weather, accelerating vaccinations, and a bit of luck—mattered more at the time. The coronavirus seems to spread less efficiently in hot and humid environments, which could partly explain why states such as Texas and Florida have managed to avoid higher-than-average COVID-19 deaths, despite their governors’ famous aversion to restrictions. Add this to the pace of vaccinations in March, and it’s possible that Abbott just got lucky, by lifting restrictions at a time when cases were destined to decline, no matter what.

"Yet another explanation is that Abbott’s decision didn’t matter because nobody changed their behavior. According to the aforementioned Texas paper, Abbot’s decision had no effect on employment, movement throughout the state, or foot traffic to retailers. It had no effect in either liberal or conservative counties, nor in urban or exurban areas. The pro-maskers kept their masks on their faces. The anti-maskers kept their masks in the garbage. And many essential workers, who never felt like they had a choice to begin with, continued their pre-announcement habits.The governor might as well have shouted into a void.

"Across the country, in fact, people’s pandemic behavior appears to be disconnected from local policy, which complicates any effort to know which COVID-19 policies actually work.

"... Decrees from the federal government may not affect Americans any more than local rules do. In a recent announcement, the CDC reversed its guidance for vaccinated individuals in a manner so dramatic that it struck some as the V-E Day of the pandemic. But survey results from The Economist and YouGov show that the big pivot hasn’t dramatically changed people’s masking behaviors. The main drivers of mask wearing have been ideology, partisanship, and vaccination status—which is itself highly, if imperfectly, correlated with ideology. Most people aren’t waiting on the CDC.

" Governors don’t reopen or close economies. The CDC doesn’t put masks on or take them off citizens’ faces. A small number of elites don’t decide when everyone else feels safe enough to shop, eat inside, or get on a plane. People seem to make these decisions for themselves, based on some combination of local norms, political orientation, and personal risk tolerance that resists quick reversals, no matter what public health elites say.

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MonkeyF0cker

EOG Dedicated
States busting businesses for not adhering to the bullshit laws they enacted has no effect of how people adhere to lockdowns or mask mandates is the premise of the pig vomit you just posted. LMAO.

With that hilarious logic, they never should have been enacted in the first place, dipshit.
 

mr merlin

EOG Master
"In early march, Texas became the first state to abolish its mask mandate and lift capacity constraints for all businesses.

"... Nine weeks later, the result seems to be less than catastrophic. In fact, in a new paper, economists at Bentley University and San Diego State University found that Abbott’s order had practically no effect on COVID-19 cases.

[One] "...possibility is that Abbott’s decision didn’t matter very much because other factors—such as weather, accelerating vaccinations, and a bit of luck—mattered more at the time. The coronavirus seems to spread less efficiently in hot and humid environments, which could partly explain why states such as Texas and Florida have managed to avoid higher-than-average COVID-19 deaths, despite their governors’ famous aversion to restrictions. Add this to the pace of vaccinations in March, and it’s possible that Abbott just got lucky, by lifting restrictions at a time when cases were destined to decline, no matter what.

"Yet another explanation is that Abbott’s decision didn’t matter because nobody changed their behavior. According to the aforementioned Texas paper, Abbot’s decision had no effect on employment, movement throughout the state, or foot traffic to retailers. It had no effect in either liberal or conservative counties, nor in urban or exurban areas. The pro-maskers kept their masks on their faces. The anti-maskers kept their masks in the garbage. And many essential workers, who never felt like they had a choice to begin with, continued their pre-announcement habits.The governor might as well have shouted into a void.

"Across the country, in fact, people’s pandemic behavior appears to be disconnected from local policy, which complicates any effort to know which COVID-19 policies actually work.

"... Decrees from the federal government may not affect Americans any more than local rules do. In a recent announcement, the CDC reversed its guidance for vaccinated individuals in a manner so dramatic that it struck some as the V-E Day of the pandemic. But survey results from The Economist and YouGov show that the big pivot hasn’t dramatically changed people’s masking behaviors. The main drivers of mask wearing have been ideology, partisanship, and vaccination status—which is itself highly, if imperfectly, correlated with ideology. Most people aren’t waiting on the CDC.

" Governors don’t reopen or close economies. The CDC doesn’t put masks on or take them off citizens’ faces. A small number of elites don’t decide when everyone else feels safe enough to shop, eat inside, or get on a plane. People seem to make these decisions for themselves, based on some combination of local norms, political orientation, and personal risk tolerance that resists quick reversals, no matter what public health elites say.

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I find your logic interesting, it could be this, it could be that, this might have happened.

Nowhere do you consider the possibility that mask mandates and business limits did nothing , which is why nothing happened when they stopped doing them? :ROFLMAO:
 

MonkeyF0cker

EOG Dedicated
I find your logic interesting, it could be this, it could be that, this might have happened.

Nowhere do you consider the possibility that mask mandates and business limits did nothing , which is why nothing happened when they stopped doing them? :ROFLMAO:

These morons really think they're critical thinkers too. LMAO.
 
I find your logic interesting, it could be this, it could be that, this might have happened.

Nowhere do you consider the possibility that mask mandates and business limits did nothing , which is why nothing happened when they stopped doing them? :ROFLMAO:

Firstly, it's not my logic. It's the opinion of the article i quoted.

Whenever i want to state my own opinion, you'll know it. It won't be in quotes.

Secondly, if you had read the article, you would have known that it did "consider the possibility that mask mandates and business limits did nothing".
 

MonkeyF0cker

EOG Dedicated
Firstly, it's not my logic. It's the opinion of the article i quoted.

Whenever i want to state my own opinion, you'll know it. It won't be in quotes.

Secondly, if you had read the article, you would have known that it did "consider the possibility that mask mandates and business limits did nothing".

You don't have your own opinions. That's why you constantly cut and paste opinionated articles.

You're incapable of thinking for yourself and need others to make the argument for you.
 
You don't have your own opinions. That's why you constantly cut and paste opinionated articles.

You're incapable of thinking for yourself and need others to make the argument for you.

Wrong. The facts & tons of evidence proves otherwise. Obviously.

Ignorance must be bliss, eh.
 
Stay inside X, stay safe. There's virus out there.

I'm vaccinated.
Wear a KN95 or surgical mask.
Social distance.
Have no reason to think i'm not in good health for my age.
Don't behave as an irresponsible covidiot.
Follow health guidelines.

My risk is therefore quite low.
It's also quite low re the chance of me infecting anyone else.

Go out almost every day. Whether it's to stores to buy something, the dentist, health clinic, hospital, optometrist, pharmacy, bank appointments, etc.
Nothing much different than what i did precovid19.
 

MonkeyF0cker

EOG Dedicated
I'm vaccinated.
Wear a KN95 or surgical mask.
Social distance.
Have no reason to think i'm not in good health for my age.
Don't behave as an irresponsible covidiot.
Follow health guidelines.

My risk is therefore quite low.
It's also quite low re the chance of me infecting anyone else.

Go out almost every day. Whether it's to stores to buy something, the dentist, health clinic, hospital, optometrist, pharmacy, bank appointments, etc.
Nothing much different than what i did precovid19.

Jesus. What a miserable existence.

Yeah. You sound real healthy. Trips to the dentist, health clinic, hospital, optometrist, pharmacy... LMAO.

Either you're a hypochondriac or you're a ticking time bomb.
 
You don't have your own opinions. That's why you constantly cut and paste opinionated articles.

You're incapable of thinking for yourself and need others to make the argument for you.

Wrong. The facts & tons of evidence proves otherwise. Obviously.

Ignorance must be bliss, eh.

Appeals to authority are not evidence, moron.

Are you off your meds. Who said anything about "authority" or appeals to such. Perhaps this will help clear your head of its confusion:

You don't have your own opinions. That's why you constantly cut and paste opinionated articles.

You're incapable of thinking for yourself and need others to make the argument for you.

Wrong. The facts & tons of evidence (namely my posting history) proves otherwise, namely that i actually do (contrary to your claim) have my own opinions. Obviously.
And likewise that i think for myself.

As to why i cut and paste a lot of articles and quotes, it seems that you haven't figured that out yet. But they do seem useful in that they get you to repeatedly shoot yourself in your own feet. lol.
 
Jesus. What a miserable existence.

Yeah. You sound real healthy. Trips to the dentist, health clinic, hospital, optometrist, pharmacy... LMAO.

Either you're a hypochondriac or you're a ticking time bomb.

Nonsense

MIserable? Why? What do you do? Probably stuff i have no interest in & would be either bored to death with or disgusted at.

Precovid i traveled a lot internationally.

Our relative posting behaviours certainly suggest that if i'm miserable you are much more so.

Dentist...for regular tooth cleaning, i.e. plaque removal.
Health clinic, pharmacy, hospital...relatively trivial issues. Nothing major. No preexisting conditions (e.g. obesity) or what would be considered comorbidities in a dead covid19 case.
Optometrist...regular normal eye checkup tests for people who wear contact lenses or specs.
So, yeah, healthy.
 

MonkeyF0cker

EOG Dedicated
Are you off your meds. Who said anything about "authority" or appeals to such. Perhaps this will help clear your head of its confusion:



Wrong. The facts & tons of evidence (namely my posting history) proves otherwise, namely that i actually do (contrary to your claim) have my own opinions. Obviously.
And likewise that i think for myself.

As to why i cut and paste a lot of articles and quotes, it seems that you haven't figured that out yet. But they do seem useful in that they get you to repeatedly shoot yourself in your own feet. lol.

Obviously the "appeal to authority fallacy" goes way over your head. Well before my post.
 

MonkeyF0cker

EOG Dedicated
Nonsense

MIserable? Why? What do you do? Probably stuff i have no interest in & would be either bored to death with or disgusted at.

Precovid i traveled a lot internationally.

Our relative posting behaviours certainly suggest that if i'm miserable you are much more so.

Dentist...for regular tooth cleaning, i.e. plaque removal.
Health clinic, pharmacy, hospital...relatively trivial issues. Nothing major. No preexisting conditions (e.g. obesity) or what would be considered comorbidities in a dead covid19 case.
Optometrist...regular normal eye checkup tests for people who wear contact lenses or specs.
So, yeah, healthy.

Yeah. Who would want to go out to dinner, to a casino, a Vegas show, etc. when you can sit at home alone wearing your mask, talk to the walls, and make medical appointments for all of your ailments instead?

I haven't been to a pharmacy, hospital, or health clinic in 10 years. If that's what you call "going out", that's fucking misery.
 

mr merlin

EOG Master
I'm vaccinated.
Wear a KN95 or surgical mask.
Social distance.
Have no reason to think i'm not in good health for my age.
Don't behave as an irresponsible covidiot.
Follow health guidelines.

My risk is therefore quite low.
It's also quite low re the chance of me infecting anyone else.

Go out almost every day. Whether it's to stores to buy something, the dentist, health clinic, hospital, optometrist, pharmacy, bank appointments, etc.
Nothing much different than what i did precovid19.
lets see...
NOT vaccinated
dont wear a mask ever
actively avoid social distancing
good health
dont follow any guidelines
Dont wash or sanitize my hands(unless they're dirty)
Go to bars/rest/casinos regularly

And after a year + I've never caught it

Am i lucky?
 
Yeah. Who would want to go out to dinner, to a casino, a Vegas show, etc. when you can sit at home alone

Been there, done that. Boring. Personally none of those things interest me any more. Even worthwhile things like many years of international travel & hookers has lost its appeal. Maybe when you reach the wisdom of my years, you'll feel the same.

If i want to play casino games, it's much more convenient, & without all the annoyances of people & travel, to do it online.

I haven't been to a pharmacy, hospital, or health clinic in 10 years. If that's what you call "going out", that's fucking misery.

To each their own. If you haven't learned it yet, people have different tastes. How old are you, like 15? ;
 
lets see...
NOT vaccinated
dont wear a mask ever
actively avoid social distancing
good health
dont follow any guidelines
Dont wash or sanitize my hands(unless they're dirty)
Go to bars/rest/casinos regularly

And after a year + I've never caught it

Am i lucky?

Classic hardcore covidiot?

How do you know you've "never caught it"? Have you been getting tested weekly over the past year?
 

MonkeyF0cker

EOG Dedicated
Been there, done that. Boring. Personally none of those things interest me any more. Even worthwhile things like many years of international travel & hookers has lost its appeal. Maybe when you reach the wisdom of my years, you'll feel the same.

If i want to play casino games, it's much more convenient, & without all the annoyances of people & travel, to do it online.



To each their own. If you haven't learned it yet, people have different tastes. How old are you, like 15? ;

You're just living to die. I will never be like you. That's a complete waste of life.
 
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