Very strange betting at Portland Meadows

Y

yisman

EOG Master
I'm wondering if someone accidentally made a large show bet.



Race 4 Win/Place/Show Odds

Pool Total: $25,442​


[TABLE="class: hlas, width: 771"]

[TH="class: horse, align: left"]Horse[/TH]
[TH="class: w_odds, align: right"]Win Odds[/TH]
[TH="class: w_pool, align: right"]Win Pool[/TH]
[TH="class: p_pool, align: right"]Place Pool[/TH]
[TH="class: s_pool, align: right"]Show Pool[/TH]
[TH="class: totals, align: right"]Totals[/TH]


[TD="class: horse, align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="class: w_odds, align: right"]5[/TD]
[TD="class: w_pool, align: right"]1,293[/TD]
[TD="class: p_pool, align: right"]329[/TD]
[TD="class: s_pool, align: right"]410[/TD]
[TD="class: totals, align: right"]2,032[/TD]


[TD="class: horse, align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="class: w_odds, align: right"]-[/TD]
[TD="class: w_pool, align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: p_pool, align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: s_pool, align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: totals, align: right"]0[/TD]


[TD="class: horse, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="class: w_odds, align: right"]70[/TD]
[TD="class: w_pool, align: right"]112[/TD]
[TD="class: p_pool, align: right"]37[/TD]
[TD="class: s_pool, align: right"]9,324[/TD]
[TD="class: totals, align: right"]9,473[/TD]


[TD="class: horse, align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD="class: w_odds, align: right"]7/2[/TD]
[TD="class: w_pool, align: right"]1,826[/TD]
[TD="class: p_pool, align: right"]582[/TD]
[TD="class: s_pool, align: right"]486[/TD]
[TD="class: totals, align: right"]2,894[/TD]


[TD="class: horse, align: center"]5[/TD]
[TD="class: w_odds, align: right"]16[/TD]
[TD="class: w_pool, align: right"]471[/TD]
[TD="class: p_pool, align: right"]181[/TD]
[TD="class: s_pool, align: right"]147[/TD]
[TD="class: totals, align: right"]799[/TD]


[TD="class: horse, align: center"]6[/TD]
[TD="class: w_odds, align: right"]4/5[/TD]
[TD="class: w_pool, align: right"]4,617[/TD]
[TD="class: p_pool, align: right"]1,231[/TD]
[TD="class: s_pool, align: right"]1,042[/TD]
[TD="class: totals, align: right"]6,890[/TD]


[TD="class: horse, align: center"]7[/TD]
[TD="class: w_odds, align: right"]7[/TD]
[TD="class: w_pool, align: right"]1,033[/TD]
[TD="class: p_pool, align: right"]409[/TD]
[TD="class: s_pool, align: right"]333[/TD]
[TD="class: totals, align: right"]1,775[/TD]


[TD="class: horse, align: center"]8[/TD]
[TD="class: w_odds, align: right"]7[/TD]
[TD="class: w_pool, align: right"]976[/TD]
[TD="class: p_pool, align: right"]315[/TD]
[TD="class: s_pool, align: right"]279[/TD]
[TD="class: totals, align: right"]1,570[/TD]


[TD="align: right"] [/TD]
[TD="align: right"] [/TD]
[TD="align: right"]10,331[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3,087[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]12,024[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]25,442[/TD]


[/TABLE]



The #3 horse got only 112 in win money (went off 70/1) and 37 in place money, but somehow had over 9k in show money. The 4/5 favorite only got about 1k in show money.


#3 of course missed the board and that resulted in these prices.

Race 4

[TABLE="width: 771"]

[TH="class: pnum, align: center"]#[/TH]
[TH="class: runn, align: left"]Horse[/TH]
[TH="class: jock, align: left"]Jockey[/TH]
[TH="class: winx, align: right"]Win[/TH]
[TH="class: plac, align: right"]Place[/TH]
[TH="class: show, align: right"]Show[/TH]


[TD="class: pnum, align: center"]

6

[/TD]
[TD="class: runn"]Dancing Kelli S[/TD]
[TD="class: jock"]Orozco K E[/TD]
[TD="class: winx, align: right"]$3.60[/TD]
[TD="class: plac, align: right"]$2.60[/TD]
[TD="class: show, align: right"]$6.80[/TD]


[TD="class: pnum, align: center"]

7

[/TD]
[TD="class: runn"]Baby of the Year[/TD]
[TD="class: jock"]Samuels J[/TD]
[TD="class: winx, align: right"]-[/TD]
[TD="class: plac, align: right"]$4.40[/TD]
[TD="class: show, align: right"]$18.20[/TD]


[TD="class: pnum, align: center"]

4

[/TD]
[TD="class: runn"]Diva Champ[/TD]
[TD="class: jock"]Zunino J L[/TD]
[TD="class: winx, align: right"]-[/TD]
[TD="class: plac, align: right"]-[/TD]
[TD="class: show, align: right"]$13.00[/TD]


[/TABLE]
 
M

mr.inpak

EOG Enthusiast
Re: Very strange betting at Portland Meadows

this is manipulating the pools it was done at bowie race track about 35 years ago when vegas was not connected to the tracks you need a couple people you would wait for a odds on favorite at a small track you would bet the longest shot on the board to show hoping to lose mean while your partners would bet the odds on favorite to show in las vegas since those bets dont go into the pool so assuming the odds on favorite hit the board and the longshot ran out you would get prices like 2.60 2.20 7.00 to show since you cant do this in vegas any more I believe this was done with a offshore sports book like pinnacle or bookmaker who have high limits at smaller tracks thats the only explanation I can come up with
 
John Kelly

John Kelly

Born Gambler
Staff member
Re: Very strange betting at Portland Meadows

Excellent explanation, mr. inpak.

Dog racing was an easy target for pool manipulation back in the day.
 
railbird

railbird

EOG Master
Re: Very strange betting at Portland Meadows

John Kelly said:
Excellent explanation, mr. inpak.

Dog racing was an easy target for pool manipulation back in the day.
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there was a caliente crew that crushed the dogs back in the mid90s, Tony would give me the plays. I had to give him 10 pct of my overall win, people said tony was scamming me, maybe he was but he made me a lot of money
 
Y

yisman

EOG Master
Re: Very strange betting at Portland Meadows

I only noticed it because I had placed two bets on Baby of the Year.

WP and WPS. WP roughly broke even and WPS had a big profit, so I went and looked.

First time I've seen a 70/1 shot have most of the show pool.

Had I been monitoring it prior to the race and seen that money, I would've simply bet all the other horses to show.

Manipulation could work if someone on track bet a large amount to show on the wrong horse and then bet an even larger amount at offshore books on the other horses.
 
Screw Andrews

Screw Andrews

EOG Dedicated
Re: Very strange betting at Portland Meadows

yisman said:
I only noticed it because I had placed two bets on Baby of the Year.

WP and WPS. WP roughly broke even and WPS had a big profit, so I went and looked.

First time I've seen a 70/1 shot have most of the show pool.

Had I been monitoring it prior to the race and seen that money, I would've simply bet all the other horses to show.

Manipulation could work if someone on track bet a large amount to show on the wrong horse and then bet an even larger amount at offshore books on the other horses.
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True it could but....you would need to get some fairly large show wagers down and if the offshore you are dealing with are doing their job they will know this was set up...would be so obvious....so then the issue becomes 1) probably booted from book...2) probably not paid a well

Just seems like it would not be a very good move considering offshore's options...I mean large show wagers at this track would stand out pretty good

On a side note it is interesting there was $333 bet on the 7 .......TryTryTry?....lol
 
Y

yisman

EOG Master
Re: Very strange betting at Portland Meadows

I agree it would stand out and look very shady.

I went on Twitter last night and it seems no one even noticed because Portland Meadows is such a small track.

Best way would be to have accounts at a lot of different offshore books and bet under 1k at each, I suppose.


Anyway, even if this was the scheme, it's very rare because I have never seen this before.
 
Screw Andrews

Screw Andrews

EOG Dedicated
Re: Very strange betting at Portland Meadows

yisman said:
I agree it would stand out and look very shady.

I went on Twitter last night and it seems no one even noticed because Portland Meadows is such a small track.

Best way would be to have accounts at a lot of different offshore books and bet under 1k at each, I suppose.


Anyway, even if this was the scheme, it's very rare because I have never seen this before.
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Well I would think show wagers at this track of even 1 or 2 hundred would have the bells going off...
 
G

Gabe

Horse racing expert
Re: Very strange betting at Portland Meadows

Things like this is why bookmaker don’t even take los alamitos qh wagers anymore. Too much collusion.
 
blueline

blueline

EOG Master
Re: Very strange betting at Portland Meadows

Did this a couple of times at PRM harness for the sport of it for small amounts

I'm sure the alarm bells go off for anything of significance at the books
 
Y

yisman

EOG Master
Re: Very strange betting at Portland Meadows

Screw Andrews said:
Well I would think show wagers at this track of even 1 or 2 hundred would have the bells going off...
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I'm sure at the track they noticed but to the outside world it's like nothing happened.

I thought for sure I'd find something on Twitter.
 
G

Gabe

Horse racing expert
Re: Very strange betting at Portland Meadows

remember back in the days when you bet the races with your local bookie? stuff like this was so rampant.
 
B

bomzee

EOG Dedicated
Re: Very strange betting at Portland Meadows

QUOTE=railbird;4957435]there was a caliente crew that crushed the dogs back in the mid90s, Tony would give me the plays. I had to give him 10 pct of my overall win, people said tony was scamming me, maybe he was but he made me a lot of money[/QUOTE]
There was a crew ( I think in the early 90's or possibly late 80's) that easily manipulated prices at Tucson Greyhound Park which at the time was being booked in Vegas. They attacked the house Quinella's and stung El Cortez and the Sahara and a couple of others places. The El Cortez SUPPOSEDLY EVEN went to the FBI and the Gaming Commission crying and all investigating parties correctly concluded that nothing illegal had been done.
 
blueline

blueline

EOG Master
Shuttered racetrack Portland Meadows was demolished this week, making way for a new freight facility, according to KATU News in Portland, Ore.
The track, which opened in September 1946, continued operation last year, offering purses at the time of less than $53,000 per day. It continued to offer simulcasting and poker until December.

According to the Portland Meadows media guide, it was the first Thoroughbred track to offer night racing. It also launched the careers of several leading racing industry participants, including Gary Stevens during the early portion of his Hall of Fame riding career.
 
H

High Times

EOG Master
blueline said:
Shuttered racetrack Portland Meadows was demolished this week, making way for a new freight facility, according to KATU News in Portland, Ore.
The track, which opened in September 1946, continued operation last year, offering purses at the time of less than $53,000 per day. It continued to offer simulcasting and poker until December.

According to the Portland Meadows media guide, it was the first Thoroughbred track to offer night racing. It also launched the careers of several leading racing industry participants, including Gary Stevens during the early portion of his Hall of Fame riding career.
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Been there many times when up there..... Talk about a minor league track...... It made Penn National look great and that place is a dump...
 
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