VSiN and Westgate/Southpoint

[mrbowling300]

With VSiN's move to Circa, I've noticed the past few weeks they haven't had John Murray on to discuss the Westgate contest lines. Im guessing the relationship with Westgate is severed because they are now in Circa? How about Southpoint? I'm guessing the same thing?

They also seem to have less of Brent, and more of newbies. I was never a Brent fan of his show anyway.

 

[FairWarning]

I wonder how big a factor the Gil Alexander French Open ruling is. Personally the Westgate will be left in the dust thanks to Circa if they are taking big sharp action.

 

[WildBill]

They invested a lot in that Southpoint studio, I highly doubt they abandon it for Circa. Feels like a two location gig. I bet a lot of the talent would rather go to the SP, easy to access if you live on the south side of town.

Westgate certainly taking hits from the Gil story. However, I think that's the key, there is Westgate which is a loathed and hated company and Super Book, which is a well known and potentially solid brand. I think Jay's attention is on getting the brand out to other places and disassociating it from the Westgate. Westgate is a shit property which happens to have a very nice and large book in it with convenient access/parking. In the longer run its better if the SB brand takes off and they can create a flagship location elsewhere though and probably get some regular media exposure of their own with it. They are very late to the game and its costing them big time, but its still an opportunity if they can get it moving.

 

[patswin]

I wonder how big a factor the Gil Alexander French Open ruling is. Personally the Westgate will be left in the dust thanks to Circa if they are taking big sharp action.

Has there been any follow up discussion about the wager since Gil went public with it? I have cut back on listening to VSIN as they are hiring radio professionals which hurts their credibility IMO. I don't want to hear opinions on games from people who do not bet or might bet a few bucks here and there. Gil is really the only one that bets from what I can tell. Matt Youmans probably does too and I do look at his CBB games. I realize they have to fill airtime so I understand it but I'd rather hear from guys like Mike Palm who can give you information for bettors. I stopped listening to FTM after Pauly called Gill an angle shooter and Mitch tweeted Gill was a clown. I hope Gil gets paid or they come to some agreement on a settlement. I enjoyed listening to Jimmy Vacarro I hope they keep him in the rotation. i think the Westgate cut all ties with VSIN since the Gill incident

 

[MrTop]

Has there been any follow up discussion about the wager since Gil went public with it? I have cut back on listening to VSIN as they are hiring radio professionals which hurts their credibility IMO. I don't want to hear opinions on games from people who do not bet or might bet a few bucks here and there. Gil is really the only one that bets from what I can tell. Matt Youmans probably does too and I do look at his CBB games. I realize they have to fill airtime so I understand it but I'd rather hear from guys like Mike Palm who can give you information for bettors. I stopped listening to FTM after Pauly called Gill an angle shooter and Mitch tweeted Gill was a clown. I hope Gil gets paid or they come to some agreement on a settlement. I enjoyed listening to Jimmy Vacarro I hope they keep him in the rotation. i think the Westgate cut all ties with VSIN since the Gill incident

Agree, although Matt knows quite a few sports pretty good . I remember his days in the newspaper .. I also think kenny white is a solid listen too. I wish they could of got jeff haney from the newspaper too. Though Haney probably left the area after 2008.

 

[FairWarning]

Has there been any follow up discussion about the wager since Gil went public with it? I have cut back on listening to VSIN as they are hiring radio professionals which hurts their credibility IMO. I don't want to hear opinions on games from people who do not bet or might bet a few bucks here and there. Gil is really the only one that bets from what I can tell. Matt Youmans probably does too and I do look at his CBB games. I realize they have to fill airtime so I understand it but I'd rather hear from guys like Mike Palm who can give you information for bettors. I stopped listening to FTM after Pauly called Gill an angle shooter and Mitch tweeted Gill was a clown. I hope Gil gets paid or they come to some agreement on a settlement. I enjoyed listening to Jimmy Vacarro I hope they keep him in the rotation. i think the Westgate cut all ties with VSIN since the Gill incident

I don’t get much of a chance to listen either. I always liked Youmans the most, then Alexander. The few times listening to Kenny White were good also.

 

[Heim]

Interesting note by Jimmy Vaccaro this morning.....The Mirage handled 25% of all sports betting volume
in the whole state when he was sportsbook manager.

The Stardust had it's charm, but if you wanted a better atmosphere, better screens, and hot cocktail
servers, it was the place to bet in the 90s. Race book was top notch too.

And if you were looking for some other action, the sports bar next to the book had a steady supply.

 

[WildBill]

Interesting note by Jimmy Vaccaro this morning.....The Mirage handled 25% of all sports betting volume
in the whole state when he was sportsbook manager.

The Stardust had it's charm, but if you wanted a better atmosphere, better screens, and hot cocktail
servers, it was the place to bet in the 90s. Race book was top notch too.

And if you were looking for some other action, the sports bar next to the book had a steady supply.

Jimmy took huge bets at the time. He had casino customers putting in six-figure bets every Saturday and Sunday during football season. Some ended up like the Shrink, betting Walters and other syndicate money for 50-100k a pop. Back then though Jimmy had it all work out and the few weekends it didn't he could point to pit losses to smooth out the analysis.

 

[Heim]

Not sure what's going on with Jimmy. He's back in Pittsburgh. VSIN crew is not sure he'll be back
(Vegas) for NFL. Again where Jimmy goes mystery follows.

 

[ComptrBob]

Interesting note by Jimmy Vaccaro this morning.....The Mirage handled 25% of all sports betting volume
in the whole state when he was sportsbook manager.

The Stardust had it's charm, but if you wanted a better atmosphere, better screens, and hot cocktail
servers, it was the place to bet in the 90s. Race book was top notch too.

And if you were looking for some other action, the sports bar next to the book had a steady supply.

I remember the first week of the March Madness NCAA tourney, 1997, I stayed at the Mirage for 4 days. I wanted a window marker for $10K, but they made me play blackjack and get it in chips. LOL

I looked to bet some ML parlays and all the #1 seed ML games were not offered. Had to traipse over to Caesars' Palace to make the bets.

 

[WildBill]

Not sure what's going on with Jimmy. He's back in Pittsburgh. VSIN crew is not sure he'll be back
(Vegas) for NFL. Again where Jimmy goes mystery follows.

I think it comes down to does Jimmy really need to keep working? I think he loves some aspects of the jobs and probably gets fired up to open new books, but the grind of regular operation has got to be something he would rather avoid when he's already got the money and acclaim.