WagerTalk - Are you serious?

TheRef

EOG Addicted
#1
I know - biggest sports betting info site around. Just bought the Gold Sheet. But their touts are awful. All combined 11-27 yesterday and 27-45 for the week. Cokin 3-7 last week. Marco 2-8 last week 0-3 yesterday.
 
#2
Newsletters records for NFL and CFB

Mendoza Line Newsletter Tracking (through 11/19/18)

Updated to include Monday Night Football. Of the 4 newsletters picking KC on Monday, only Brad Powers (Powers Picks) claimed to be using +3.5 with his pick. Both newsletters taking the total won easily with the Over.
One of the worst weeks for the newsletters in a long time. It looks like a combined 32-56 on records tracked here this past weekend.
Not every newsletter gets posted every week, and I'll try to note when the record doesn't include every week of the season.
Another note is that the grading is based on the line indicated in the newsletter at the time of publication, not the closing line. Many of these newsletters will claim a win against the best available line as it moves throughout the week, but these records reflect the outcome against the line they were willing to make a play on in their newsletter.

Gridiron Gold Sheet
NCAA Best Bets (31-26-4)
NFL Best Bets (26-16-2)

Marc Lawrence Playbook NCAA (0-6 NCAA overall this week)
5* (5-7)
4* (6-6)
3* (4-7-1)
Upset pick (3-9)
Betcha Didn't Know (4-16-1)
Awesome Angle (3-9)
Incredible Stat (4-7-1)

Marc Lawrence Playbook NFL
5* (8-3)
4* (7-4)
3* (6-5)

Pointwise NCAA
1* (9-12-2)
2* (4-8)
3* (5-7)
4* (13-9-2)
5* (15-9)

Pointwise NFL (1-4 overall this week)
3* (3-8)
4* (6-15-1)
5* (8-14)

PowerSweep NCAA
4* (8-4)
3* (13-10)
2* (14-10-1)
Underdog Play of the Week (5-6-1)
Tech Play of the Week (4-2-1)
Revenge Play of the Week (5-6)
Situational Play of the Week (5-4)
Series Play of the Week (6-3)

PowerSweep NFL
4* (6-5)
3* (5-5-1)
2* (3-7-1)
NFL System play (6-7)
4* Pro Angle (0-3)

Powers Picks NCAA (1-4 overall this week)
3* (14-9)
2* (21-16)
1* (0-0)

Powers Picks NFL
4* (0-0)
3* (4-6)
2* (17-4-1)
1* (0-0)

Sports Reporter
NCAA Super Best Bets (4-2)
NCAA Best Bets (19-20)
NFL Super Best Bets (1-0)
NFL Best Bets (11-10)

Red Sheet
90* (0-0-1)
89* (12-11)
88* (22-25-1)

Winning Points
NCAA 4* (9-3)
NCAA 3* (4-8)
NFL 4* (5-6)
NFL 3* (5-6)

Killer Sports, not including teasers
MTI 5* (0-2)
MTI 4.5* (6-5-1)
MTI 4* (3-5)
MTI 3* (0-0)
SBB 4.5* (1-6)
SBB 4* (7-7-1)

Victor Kings's Totals Tipsheet
3* (4-7)
2* (14-8)

PowerPlays
NCAA 4.5* (24-15-1)
NCAA 4* (24-27)
NFL 4* (7-3-1)

Gold Sheet
NCAA Key Releases (22-23-1)
NFL Key Releases (15-15-3)

Megalocks
First Release (8-1-2)
 

winkyduck

TYVM Morgan William!!!
#3
...........and keep in mind: NONE of these picks were FREE

Anyone who wanted any of these picks had to pay for them meaning they had to bet even more to cover the cost of the pick(s) and maybe bet more because they felt confident the pick would win because it came from an "expert."
 
#5
I know - biggest sports betting info site around. Just bought the Gold Sheet. But their touts are awful. All combined 11-27 yesterday and 27-45 for the week. Cokin 3-7 last week. Marco 2-8 last week 0-3 yesterday.
Short term sample size. Long term they win just ask them. No one ever clarifies how long is long term but the longer you are paying for these tards the worse things are.
 
#6
...........and keep in mind: NONE of these picks were FREE

Anyone who wanted any of these picks had to pay for them meaning they had to bet even more to cover the cost of the pick(s) and maybe bet more because they felt confident the pick would win because it came from an "expert."
Why do people pay for picks, lots of good info out there for free. Is there ever a case, that buying plays is a worth wild investment. I have always just played my own stuff, could give a shit who joe blow is on.
 

winkyduck

TYVM Morgan William!!!
#7
Why do people pay for picks, lots of good info out there for free. Is there ever a case, that buying plays is a worth wild investment. I have always just played my own stuff, could give a shit who joe blow is on.
Laziness. They are too lazy to do it themselves so why not pay someone a few bucks for a pick that "cannot lose" since the person putting it out is an "expert."
 

FairWarning

Bells Beer Connoisseur
#12
Laziness. They are too lazy to do it themselves so why not pay someone a few bucks for a pick that "cannot lose" since the person putting it out is an "expert."
I have a friend who plays a lot and has subscribed to services from time to time. It wasn’t a matter of being lazy, it was a lack of time when you have family matters to take care of.
 
#14
Laziness. They are too lazy to do it themselves so why not pay someone a few bucks for a pick that "cannot lose" since the person putting it out is an "expert."
There’s a certain mind fuck about it as well. Some people by nature lack self confidence. It’s the old hey he’s gotta know more than I ever could mindset. I think that fuels more tout purchases than anything.
 
#15
Damn! For a Sports Forum board this is actually some good banter. Nice to have it rather than the nastiness that comes along sometimes. Fair Warning - I agree with you. AA you too. Sometimes I think "He must know more than me" when seeing a play that I might be on and see that Cokin or Marco is on the other side.

Peaks & Valleys fellas. Ride the peaks, stay out of the valleys! :)
 
#16
Tues the Prez lost around 17% of a person's bankroll. Not to be outdone for Wednesday he goes 0-2 -9.29%. That's a lovely 26% of a person's bankroll lost in 2 days. A 10k roll is now under 7500.......and this doesn't include what it cost to get 2 days of plays.

This is the leader of wagertalk. Someone who has been selling picks for decades now. Why these guys believe that using 3% and 4% plays is the way to go is beyond me. Well actually I do understand. They want something BIG to promote on a small sample of 5-1 when they fall into a win streak. EVERYBODY has win streaks. Even the worse gambler of all time falls into a 5-1 or a 8-2 run.

Plus wagertalk limits how you can see the previous days plays.

Well since June 10 the Prez has lost 32.19u. 1/3 of a person's roll GONE in 3 betting days.

Money management......these fkr would bankrupt Jeff Bezos if Jeff only bet a dime a unit.
 
#17
Tues the Prez lost around 17% of a person's bankroll. Not to be outdone for Wednesday he goes 0-2 -9.29%. That's a lovely 26% of a person's bankroll lost in 2 days. A 10k roll is now under 7500.......and this doesn't include what it cost to get 2 days of plays.

This is the leader of wagertalk. Someone who has been selling picks for decades now. Why these guys believe that using 3% and 4% plays is the way to go is beyond me. Well actually I do understand. They want something BIG to promote on a small sample of 5-1 when they fall into a win streak. EVERYBODY has win streaks. Even the worse gambler of all time falls into a 5-1 or a 8-2 run.

Plus wagertalk limits how you can see the previous days plays.

Well since June 10 the Prez has lost 32.19u. 1/3 of a person's roll GONE in 3 betting days.

Money management......these fkr would bankrupt Jeff Bezos if Jeff only bet a dime a unit.
LMAO Prez is a Clown. Tony Finn is the biggest Joke, listen to him talk on some of the Wagertalk Videos on youtube he stutters the whole time like a 5 year old with a speech impediment. Bryan Leonard is the only one I respect, ran into him at GVR he bets his own shit and seems somewhat sharp.
 
#18
I met Bryan briefly many years ago at a sportsbook. He was very nice which I would be highly surprised if one of these guys was a complete asshole as that would destroy their name. I do believe that Bryan throws it in at a higher rate than a normal fan does.

Cokin is a good listen when it comes to baseball. But there is absolutely no way he lives off his bets. He is at best a $100 on the top top end of his action. I think his own person site he charges like $500 for a month of plays. That's what he lives off of.

John Kelly has a great story about Cokin being so in tuned to the markets, his plays, what is going on but when asked about the Jim Feist boiler room operations he had not one clue what was going on. LMAO. As if after a week of plays Jim would have a bag of money for Dave and he wouldn't have a clue where it came from.
 
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#19
I met Bryan briefly many years ago at a sportsbook. He was very nice which I would be highly surprised if one of these guys was a complete asshole as that would destroy their name. I do believe that Bryan throws it in at a higher rate than a normal fan does.

Cokin is a good listen when it comes to baseball. But there is absolutely no way he lives off his bets. He is at best a $100 on the top top end of his action. I think his own person site he charges like $500 for a month of plays. That's what he lives off of.

John Kelly has a great story about Cokin being so in tuned to the markets, his plays, what is going on but when asked about the Jim Feist boiler room operations he had not one clue what was going on. LMAO. As if after a week of plays Jim would have a bag of money for Dave and he wouldn't have a clue where it came from.
I don’t think I could ever sale plays especially MLB, I only play one play a day and it’s a dog. winning percentage and small volume played, isn’t sexy enough for degenerate gamblers.
 
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#22
The key is bankroll management, most of these guys don’t have it. I’m (4-4) + $142.00 posting on the forum $100 a play, had a recent streak of 0-4 a lot of these guys would have went tilt and busted during the 0-4 stretch IMO.
there are a boat load of guys betting $20 and $50 in sportsbooks that would love to be up money after 4-4.

They can always find money to bet. Money to keep the rent paid and the lights on....not so much.
 
#24
Tues the Prez lost around 17% of a person's bankroll. Not to be outdone for Wednesday he goes 0-2 -9.29%. That's a lovely 26% of a person's bankroll lost in 2 days. A 10k roll is now under 7500.......and this doesn't include what it cost to get 2 days of plays.

This is the leader of wagertalk. Someone who has been selling picks for decades now. Why these guys believe that using 3% and 4% plays is the way to go is beyond me. Well actually I do understand. They want something BIG to promote on a small sample of 5-1 when they fall into a win streak. EVERYBODY has win streaks. Even the worse gambler of all time falls into a 5-1 or a 8-2 run.

Plus wagertalk limits how you can see the previous days plays.

Well since June 10 the Prez has lost 32.19u. 1/3 of a person's roll GONE in 3 betting days.

Money management......these fkr would bankrupt Jeff Bezos if Jeff only bet a dime a unit.

To give some evidence to my "fall into a streak" is the following. There is a betting service on youtube that does daily videos by the name of Mitch. He gives his bets on games daily. At the end of his videos he has been flipping a penny for a play. That penny is now 16-4 (80%) over the time he started doing this. The penny picked the under 211.5 GS/Tor for tonight.
 
#25
To give some evidence to my "fall into a streak" is the following. There is a betting service on youtube that does daily videos by the name of Mitch. He gives his bets on games daily. At the end of his videos he has been flipping a penny for a play. That penny is now 16-4 (80%) over the time he started doing this. The penny picked the under 211.5 GS/Tor for tonight.
Amazing lol. If I was a Joe looking to buy picks, I would want a transparent guy, that win or lose gets me good closing value and has my best interest at the end of the day. The Hawaian Daves of the World, just want the quick buck.
 
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#27
Tues the Prez lost around 17% of a person's bankroll. Not to be outdone for Wednesday he goes 0-2 -9.29%. That's a lovely 26% of a person's bankroll lost in 2 days. A 10k roll is now under 7500.......and this doesn't include what it cost to get 2 days of plays.

This is the leader of wagertalk. Someone who has been selling picks for decades now. Why these guys believe that using 3% and 4% plays is the way to go is beyond me. Well actually I do understand. They want something BIG to promote on a small sample of 5-1 when they fall into a win streak. EVERYBODY has win streaks. Even the worse gambler of all time falls into a 5-1 or a 8-2 run.
His brother is a billionaire. You think he gives a fuk? WagerTalk is his hobby
 
#30
It's all just manipulation. Success in spurts is the kicker and headliner. They might be good people but they're evil in the business side to things. They tweet every hour not to help their clients but to help themselves. It's also real real difficult to handicap all sports.

I post here because I enjoy reading thoughts and opinions of others here. There are smart guys here. You cant predict outcomes of games. Lines for the most part are already on point especially in the fucking NFL.
 
#31
It's all just manipulation. Success in spurts is the kicker and headliner. They might be good people but they're evil in the business side to things. They tweet every hour not to help their clients but to help themselves. It's also real real difficult to handicap all sports.

I post here because I enjoy reading thoughts and opinions of others here. There are smart guys here. You cant predict outcomes of games. Lines for the most part are already on point especially in the fucking NFL.
I thought we were all “sheep?”
 
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