YOU ARE THE GENERAL MANAGER

The Devil · Feb 20, 2008

AND CAN PICK UP ONE OF THESE GUYS FOR THE YEAR:

WHO DO YOU WANT FOR 2008:

ANDY PETTITTE OR PEDRO MARTINEZ.......

I AM TAKING PEDRO TO HAVE THE BETTER YEAR...........

Flamingo kid · Feb 20, 2008

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:doh1

Road Dawg · Feb 20, 2008

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I'd take Pettitte because he is a lefty and his injury history isn't as extensive as Pedro's.

Don't get me wrong, Devil, you know I want a huge year out of Pedro but I don't think he gets more than 10 - 12 wins.

Journeyman · Feb 20, 2008

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Good question to look back and bump later.

I'd have to go with Pettitte too.

I will predict a combined 24 wins for both.

Pettitte 13-14
Pedro 10-11

WildBill · Feb 20, 2008

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Pity the teams who count on these guys to give them that many wins for the insane amounts of money they will pay them.

Journeyman · Feb 20, 2008

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When Pedro left Boston we made a prediction thread , how many wins would he get for the Mets...I didn't think it would have been worth it back then to sign him long term and I still don't think he's been worth it.

He started out really well in NY too, but his arm gave out. NYM have always gotten killed on these big FA signings.

Alomar
Bonilla
Vaughn
Green
Pedro

I guess Beltran has lived up for the most part, so far.

The Devil · Feb 20, 2008

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WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW PEDRO DOES.....

MY PREDICTION IS HE WINS COMEBACK PLAYER OF THE YEAR IN NL AND WINS 15-18........AND A WS RING..........

Journeyman · Feb 20, 2008

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<HR style="COLOR: #fdde82" SIZE=1>He said God wanted him in NY...He will not muster more than 15 wins ever again in a season...

I give him 40 wins as a Met over the next 4 years , and thats really stretching it...
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STATS since joining NYM

2005 15-8
2006 9-8
2007 3-1

Total 27-17

Looks like i gave him too much credit

Flamingo kid · Feb 20, 2008

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80,000 posts?

Betting Food Stamps · Feb 20, 2008

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i think pedro, simply for the fact he is in the nl. the lineups are less potent without the dh. Also he is on a better team that will score more runs and win more games for him.

Journeyman · Feb 20, 2008

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Flamingo kid said:
80,000 posts?

That was from the Rx , 4 years ago.

All I get is '80,000 posts', did you not notice how accurate I was? :houra

The Devil · Feb 20, 2008

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<HR style="COLOR: #fdde82" SIZE=1>He said God wanted him in NY...He will not muster more than 15 wins ever again in a season...

I give him 40 wins as a Met over the next 4 years , and thats really stretching it...

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STATS since joining NYM

2005 15-8
2006 9-8
2007 3-1

Total 27-17

Looks like i gave him too much credit

WELL IF HE DIDN'T MISS MOST OF LAST YEAR AND BEING HURT IN 2006 YOU WOULDN'T BE CLOSE......

Journeyman · Feb 20, 2008

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The Devil said:
WELL IF HE DIDN'T MISS MOST OF LAST YEAR AND BEING HURT IN 2006 YOU WOULDN'T BE CLOSE......

LMAO, as if my prediction wasn't taking his injury riddled arm into consideration?

I'm stunned you would even suggest that.

Yes I predicted Pedro would win 40 games pitching every 5th day

:+clueless

The Devil · Feb 20, 2008

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Journeyman said:
LMAO, as if my prediction wasn't taking his injury riddled arm into consideration?

I'm stunned you would even suggest that.

Yes I predicted Pedro would win 40 games pitching every 5th day

:+clueless

OH SO YOU KNEW HE WAS GOING TO HAVE TOMMY JOHN SURGERY.......YOU COULD MAKE A FORTUNE AS SOOTH SAYER TO ML GENERAL MANAGERS...........

Journeyman · Feb 20, 2008

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You are missing the point.

And I can tell saying ANYTHING to you about the Mets is pointless.

Yes, I am saying his arm was brittle and it didn't take much to figure out he'd more than likely miss a good portion of his 4 years he was contracted to pitch for the New York Mets... DUH!

It was a terrible waste of money signing Pedro to 4 years at that stage of his career....shit most GMs are clueless, don't insult me.

The Devil · Feb 20, 2008

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Journeyman said:
LMAO, as if my prediction wasn't taking his injury riddled arm into consideration?

WHY WOULD YOU SAY INJURY RIDDLED ARM???

PRIOR TO THE METS HE MISSED ONLY PART OF 2001.............EVERY OTHER YEAR HE STARTED 25 OR MORE GAMES............

The Devil · Feb 20, 2008

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Journeyman said:
You are missing the point.

And I can tell saying ANYTHING to you about the Mets is pointless.

Yes, I am saying his arm was brittle and it didn't take much to figure out he'd more than likely miss a good portion of his 4 years he was contracted to pitch for the New York Mets... DUH!

It was a terrible waste of money signing Pedro to 4 years at that stage of his career....shit most GMs are clueless, don't insult me.

WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOU BASEING HIS BRITTLE ARM ON????

HIS PAST???

Journeyman · Feb 20, 2008

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He was pitching on fumes at the end of his Boston years....his arm was falling off towards the end, 4 years was at best a huge risk, and obviously it was...he was clearly not the same pitcher his last year in Boston, and was breaking down towards the end of 2002 and 2003 and missed a big part of 2001...

Are you saying Pedro's arm wasn't a questionmark coming to NY?

The Devil · Feb 20, 2008

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I THINK ANY PITCHERS ARM IS A QUESTION MARK..........PEDRO OR ANY OTHER..........

BUT 2002, 03 AND 04 WEREN'T SHABBY YEARS FOR ANY PITCHER.........

The Devil · Feb 20, 2008

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50-17 OVER 02,03 AND 04 DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A MELT DOWN TO ME......MAYBE YOU DIDN'T LIKE THE SIGNING.....BUT TO SAY HE WAS BREAKING DOWN AFTER HIS LAST 3 RED SOX YEARS DOESN'T MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE TO ME..........

I LEFT OUT 92 STARTS....DON'T LOOK LIKE HE MISSED MANY IF ANY............

Journeyman · Feb 20, 2008

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No they weren't shabby at all...but he was also Pedro Martinez the game's best, so 80% was still damn good.

He was still a very good pitcher, but his arm was falling off, he lost his velocity...if you recall his last few starts with Boston, he pitched without the velocity, a sure sign all those innings were catching up to him....and that wasn't the first time his arm was worn out in the second half.

You don't remember all the questionmarks about whether his arm was going to hold up?

Journeyman · Feb 20, 2008

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50-17 OVER 02,03 AND 04 DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A MELT DOWN TO ME......MAYBE YOU DIDN'T LIKE THE SIGNING.....BUT TO SAY HE WAS BREAKING DOWN AFTER HIS LAST 3 RED SOX YEARS DOESN'T MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE TO ME..........

I LEFT OUT 92 STARTS....DON'T LOOK LIKE HE MISSED MANY IF ANY............

:LMAO :LMAO
Where did I say melt down?

I said he was 'wearing down' and was a risky signing for that much money four years, which he WAS....

Bottom line is this he broke down and was paid way too much for what he did for NY....and it isn't even close!

Hitdogg42 · Feb 20, 2008

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Wow, watching posters pick Andy is amazing......Pedro will be 10x the pitcher than Pettite.....Having Santana will fuel Pedro, while Pettite will be ducking HGH questions all year......PETITTE HAS NEVER EVER EVER been on Pedro's level, why is he now????? HE's NOT........WOWOWOWOWOW

Flamingo kid · Feb 20, 2008

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Hitdogg42 said:
Wow, watching posters pick Andy is amazing......Pedro will be 10x the pitcher than Pettite.....Having Santana will fuel Pedro, while Pettite will be ducking HGH questions all year......PETITTE HAS NEVER EVER EVER been on Pedro's level, why is he now????? HE's NOT........WOWOWOWOWOW

:LMAO

who has more rings andy or pedro? :+clueless

The Devil · Feb 20, 2008

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Journeyman said:
:LMAO :LMAO
Where did I say melt down?

I said he was 'wearing down' and was a risky signing for that much money four years, which he WAS....

Bottom line is this he broke down and was paid way too much for what he did for NY....and it isn't even close!

YES HE DID BREAK DOWN.......BUT HE DID IT IN THE MIDDLE OF HIS SECOND YEAR......NOT THE FIRST YEAR.........THERE ARE NO GURANTEES WITH PITCHERS ARM HEALTH...........SIGNING PITCHERS IS ALWAYS A CRAP SHOOT.......

Journeyman · Feb 20, 2008

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I guess having your rotator fixed and losing your fastball velocity towards the ends of the last 2 seasons in Boston and pitching in 80's (MPH) wasn't a sign of wearing down.

You obviously have a convenient memory or just forgot...Pedro's arm was dead at the end of his Red Sox years....DEAD!

And he's pitched just one full season since.

Journeyman · Feb 20, 2008

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Hitdogg42 said:
Wow, watching posters pick Andy is amazing......Pedro will be 10x the pitcher than Pettite.....Having Santana will fuel Pedro, while Pettite will be ducking HGH questions all year......PETITTE HAS NEVER EVER EVER been on Pedro's level, why is he now????? HE's NOT........WOWOWOWOWOW

How can anyone know if Martinez' arm will hold up?

They are both big questionmarks, Martinez more than Andy.

Pedro was an all time great, Andy Pettitte was a great at times, but that means very little in 2008....the question was WHO would you pick in 2008

The Devil · Feb 20, 2008

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Flamingo kid said:
:LMAO

who has more rings andy or pedro? :+clueless

GOOD LOGIC KID.........SO I ASSUME YOU THINK LEYRITZ WAS BETTER THAN MATTINGLY AS HE HAS MORE RINGS?????

TomBrady#1 · Feb 20, 2008

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I go with Pedro and the possible upside.

Flamingo kid · Feb 20, 2008

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The Devil said:
GOOD LOGIC KID.........SO I ASSUME YOU THINK LEYRITZ WAS BETTER THAN MATTINGLY AS HE HAS MORE RINGS?????

pitchers are like quarterbacks they are judged, fairly or unfairly, on their rings.

The Devil · Feb 20, 2008

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Flamingo kid said:
pitchers are like quarterbacks they are judged, fairly or unfairly, on their rings.

I UNDERSTAND YOU NOW......

ANDY PETTITTE HOF...........:houra .PEDRO MARTINEZ.....NO.....:doh1

Hitdogg42 · Feb 20, 2008

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Pitchers are like QB's and judged by thier rings.......Seriously, you just made that up......Never EVER have heard that BS before....

Just wondering how Jack Morris is doing.....:+excited-

Flamingo kid · Feb 20, 2008

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Hitdogg42 said:
Pitchers are like QB's and judged by thier rings.......Seriously, you just made that up......Never EVER have heard that BS before....

Just wondering how Jack Morris is doing.....:+excited-

:dancefool :dancefool :dancefool :dancefool :dancefool :dancefool :dancefool :dancefool :dancefool

Richkas · Feb 20, 2008

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The Devil said:
AND CAN PICK UP ONE OF THESE GUYS FOR THE YEAR:

WHO DO YOU WANT FOR 2008:

ANDY PETTITTE OR PEDRO MARTINEZ.......

I AM TAKING PEDRO TO HAVE THE BETTER YEAR...........

I dont think Pedro will pitch the whole year.

Thor4140 · Feb 20, 2008

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The Devil said:
AND CAN PICK UP ONE OF THESE GUYS FOR THE YEAR:

WHAT DO YOU WANT FOR 2008:

ANDY PETTITTE OR PEDRO MARTINEZ OR JOURNEY FINISHING UP WITH UNDER 20 THOUSAND POST.

I AM TAKING PEDRO TO HAVE THE BETTER YEAR ...........

For goodness sakes lets get back to the question here. I will take under 20thousand post and Pettite to come in second.

Journeyman · Jan 26, 2009

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Journeyman said:
Good question to look back and bump later.

I'd have to go with Pettitte too.

I will predict a combined 24 wins for both.

Pettitte 13-14
Pedro 10-11

I was close Pettitte was 14-14
Pedro 5-6

:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO

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32 total wins in 4 yrs.....what a bargain.

munson15 · Jan 26, 2009

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The Devil said:
AND CAN PICK UP ONE OF THESE GUYS FOR THE YEAR:

WHO DO YOU WANT FOR 2008:

ANDY PETTITTE OR PEDRO MARTINEZ.......

I AM TAKING PEDRO TO HAVE THE BETTER YEAR...........

I'd take Pettitte simply because he's coming off a relatively healthy season and I'd feel better about my chances of keeping him in the rotation all year.:cheers

Flamingo kid · Jan 26, 2009

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The Devil said:
AND CAN PICK UP ONE OF THESE GUYS FOR THE YEAR:

WHO DO YOU WANT FOR 2008:

ANDY PETTITTE OR PEDRO MARTINEZ.......

I AM TAKING PEDRO TO HAVE THE BETTER YEAR...........

Im confused. Is this for pitching, or for the old man toss.?

I'm going with Pete in the old man toss, more experience.

munson15 · Jan 26, 2009

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The Devil said:
GOOD LOGIC KID.........SO I ASSUME YOU THINK LEYRITZ WAS BETTER THAN MATTINGLY AS HE HAS MORE RINGS?????

:+textinb3Good laugh, and a laugh on me, too, as I just noticed that this question was posed last winter.:doh1

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