Traffic stop in Beatty reveals $750,000 stash

The Prophet

EOG Dedicated
A traffic stop in the small town of Beatty netted a large amount of cash for the Nye County Sheriff's Office on Tuesday.

More than $750,000 in cash was found in three hidden compartments built into a pickup truck that police stopped for speeding and failing to stop at a stop sign.

The driver of the truck, identified by police as Maria Villananeda, 33, of Iowa, claimed she didn't know the money was there and didn't know who it belonged to.

The woman, who had two children with her, told police she was on her way to California on vacation. She was released with no charges filed, but police kept the truck and the cash for further investigation.


Sheriff Tony DeMeo called it the largest cash seizure in Nye County history, surpassing a $676,000 haul during a traffic stop in Tonopah in 2002.

Deputy Dan Pineau spotted the truck while conducting a drug patrol Tuesday afternoon on U.S. Highway 95 in Beatty, 115 miles northwest of Las Vegas.

DeMeo said Pineau's drug-sniffing dog "hit" on the vehicle. No narcotics were found, but "the money was probably tainted with drugs," he said.

The cash was in various denominations and was sealed in packages with the amounts written on the outside.

"It took until 4 o'clock in the morning to count all the money,"
DeMeo said.

The $750,111 was taken to a bank in Pahrump and deposited on Wednesday, "under police guard of course," DeMeo said.

Once the investigation is complete, the sheriff's office should get to keep some or all of the money, which will be earmarked for drug enforcement, DeMeo said.

Late last year, police in Boulder City seized more than $500,000 that was stashed in the spare tire of a vehicle passing through that community.

In that case, the money was discovered after the vehicle's driver stopped at an auto parts store because he noticed that the spare tire had come loose. When he went to fix it, the cash started coming out and blowing around the parking lot.

DeMeo said this was the second large haul in a month for Pineau and his dog, Derek. A few weeks ago, the pair assisted in the seizure of a half pound of methamphetamine in Beatty.

"We usually don't come across that kind of quantity," DeMeo said. "We usually find it in grams."





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Re: Traffic stop in Beatty reveals $750,000 stash

If there were no drugs, why do they get to keep the money?

Is it illegal to drive around with money in your car?

If I run a stop light on my way home from the casino can they just say a drug dog "hit" on my car and then take my car and everything in it?
 
Re: Traffic stop in Beatty reveals $750,000 stash

Beatty is a real little fart of a town, like 1,000 people or something.

There should be better reason to confiscate than normal coke traces on paper money, at least some way to explain and appeal.

If you carry contraband, make sure you:

Have all lights working

don't speed, run stop signs,lights etc.

be sober
 

aceduecetrey

EOG Addicted
Re: Traffic stop in Beatty reveals $750,000 stash

"Drug dogs" are a joke around here! They are not trained to sniff out drugs, but trained to bark everytime!

Friend of mine got busted a few weeks back with about 300 pain killers after the dog barked and as we all know, pain killers have no scent.
 

JC

EOG Veteran
Re: Traffic stop in Beatty reveals $750,000 stash

It's all part of the Criminal Industrial Complex. It's just a big money grab, it's welfare for law enforcement.

They have criminalized cash and gotten away with it. They have over the years through laws and the courts shifted the burden to the individual to show that the money is "legitimate" instead of the old, long standing principle, innocent until proven guilty. The burden used to be on them to prove a law was broken, and the mere presence of money was not sufficient evidence of a crime.

There is at least one well known Sheriff between LA and Vegas, this may be him, who has made a career out of stopping vehicles, mainly driven by people of color, and having his dog sniff around. It has made his department and his dumpy town relatively wealthy.

The old Soviet Union would be proud.

F the Police!
 

The Prophet

EOG Dedicated
Re: Traffic stop in Beatty reveals $750,000 stash

It's all part of the Criminal Industrial Complex. It's just a big money grab, it's welfare for law enforcement.

They have criminalized cash and gotten away with it. They have over the years through laws and the courts shifted the burden to the individual to show that the money is "legitimate" instead of the old, long standing principle, innocent until proven guilty. The burden used to be on them to prove a law was broken, and the mere presence of money was not sufficient evidence of a crime.

There is at least one well known Sheriff between LA and Vegas, this may be him, who has made a career out of stopping vehicles, mainly driven by people of color, and having his dog sniff around. It has made his department and his dumpy town relatively wealthy.

The old Soviet Union would be proud.

F the Police!



Sheriff between LA and Vegas


U.S. Highway 95 in Beatty, 115 miles northwest of Las Vegas


FWIW: L.A. IS SOUTHWEST OF VEGAS


CLEAR CASE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT PROPERTY THEFT.




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Re: Traffic stop in Beatty reveals $750,000 stash

Cops in Florida made out huge on this in the 80s and 90s. Everyone else just caught up. Its hideous, but to those involved just part of the game. Please don't tell me you think these people or someone connected to them wasn't involved in crime. Criminals just split their money up carefully so one bust doesn't really hurt them. Based on this I would say the criminal enterprise had at least 20 times this cash around.

It totally sucks for the law to get to do this, but you know the criminals just consider it a cost of doing business. Its enough money for the cops to say we won't bust you for something else if we get to keep your money. Legalized bribery, pure and simple.
 
Re: Traffic stop in Beatty reveals $750,000 stash

Amazing how the govt allows this shit. 100 years ago this would be a non-issue.
 
Re: Traffic stop in Beatty reveals $750,000 stash

Please don't tell me you think these people or someone connected to them wasn't involved in crime.

Of course not, however it doesn't matter if they were LIKELY criminals or not.

Last time I checked, PROBABLY did not send you to prison, and probably should not get your stuff confiscated.

The odds of this money NOT being drug money are about 1 in a billion, but
innocent until proven guilty should apply here just as it does in a high profile murder case or any other court case.

The burden of proof should not be on the individual. If it is in this case, then where does it stop?

I'm a slippery slope kind of guy and I apply it to every aspect of government.
 

sean1

EOG Dedicated
Re: Traffic stop in Beatty reveals $750,000 stash

And most likely if they hired a lawyer and went after the money, they'd get it back, but then the cops would investigate every one of them, their family, their friends, etc and arrest a bunch of them for running drugs.

There is a reason these things never get taken to court.

I drive around with sizeable amounts of cash from time to time - whether I am going to a casino, taking it from one bank to another, etc. You best believe if they confiscated it from me, I'd have a lawyer the next day reclaiming it and showing where I got it.

I have absolutely no problem with the cops taking cash from someone who can't show where they got it. Just a simple, it came from here will get you it back as long as here is not dealing, stealing, etc

All of law enforcement has to do with odds, and we really like law enforcement. If someone rapes someone and there DNA is there, they get arrested. Maybe they didn't do it. Maybe they dated the girl. Maybe someone set them up, but 99.99% of the time I'd rather them off the street. If someone is driving around with $500,000 it is more than likely from dealing drugs (which should not be illegal, but is), from pimping, from child porn, from theft, etc. So take it away. IF the person has a reasonable way they got it, they'll get it back...
 

texansfan

EOG Master
Re: Traffic stop in Beatty reveals $750,000 stash

It's funny how most of you are totally clueless. The woman denied knowing the money was there and denied ownership of the money. It's not like they found a nickel on the floorboard. If someone can come forward and prove ownership of the money they can appear before a judge who will determine where the money will go.

The money was obviously carefully hidden for some reason. If you're stopped on traffic and the police find boxes of dvd players, guns in the trunk, or whatever, they are going to ask you about ownership. if everybody in the vehicle denies ownership the property will be seized.
 

Buffalo

EOG Member
Re: Traffic stop in Beatty reveals $750,000 stash

There is a reason these things never get taken to court.

I drive around with sizeable amounts of cash from time to time - whether I am going to a casino, taking it from one bank to another, etc. You best believe if they confiscated it from me, I'd have a lawyer the next day reclaiming it and showing where I got it.


You best believe you have a very slim chance of getting that money back. And if you do get it back it will be years and many many Lawyer fees ahead. This has been going on in America since the Mid eighties. Cash is illegal inthe states. If you have it , the government or the cops want it. Legitimate or not.


 

texansfan

EOG Master
Re: Traffic stop in Beatty reveals $750,000 stash

I drive around with sizeable amounts of cash from time to time - whether I am going to a casino, taking it from one bank to another, etc. You best believe if they confiscated it from me, I'd have a lawyer the next day reclaiming it and showing where I got it.

Well there's a huge difference in what you're saying and what happened on the traffic stop. If you withdrew any money from the bank there is going to be a record of it. You have proof that the money belongs to you and it would be returned.

This woman denied knowing the money was there and who it might belong too. It is therefore called found property and must be tagged into a police property room. Now, if someone can come forward and show that the money was not obtained illegaly and does in fact belong to them it will be returned by a judge. Somehow I'm thinking nobody is going to come forward.
 

pioneer

EOG Dedicated
Re: Traffic stop in Beatty reveals $750,000 stash

Thank you, Sean1 and Texasfan, for your reasonable replies in this thread. I can't be everywhere, you said exactly what I would have said.
 

JC

EOG Veteran
Re: Traffic stop in Beatty reveals $750,000 stash

It wouldn't matter if she said it was hers.

If she can not show how she obtained it legally, they keep it. The courts have upheld this nonsense.

There was a case I read about a while back where a hispanic man on a bus had his entire life savings, I think it was around $30,000, confiscated. He had been saving it for a lifetime and didn't use banks.

The burden should not be on the person with the money to prove anything. They should be able to say nothing and drive off with their money, or the money hidden in their car that they didn't know about. This is outrageous.

Carrying cash, even large amounts of it, should not be a crime. Cash should not be subject to forfeiture because everyone "knows" it had to come from criminal activity.

You folks who think it's easy to get back, or that it's ok because "It's obvious they were up to no good" just don't get it.
 
Re: Traffic stop in Beatty reveals $750,000 stash

It wouldn't matter if she said it was hers.

If she can not show how she obtained it legally, they keep it. The courts have upheld this nonsense.

There was a case I read about a while back where a hispanic man on a bus had his entire life savings, I think it was around $30,000, confiscated. He had been saving it for a lifetime and didn't use banks.

The burden should not be on the person with the money to prove anything. They should be able to say nothing and drive off with their money, or the money hidden in their car that they didn't know about. This is outrageous.

Carrying cash, even large amounts of it, should not be a crime. Cash should not be subject to forfeiture because everyone "knows" it had to come from criminal activity.

You folks who think it's easy to get back, or that it's ok because "It's obvious they were up to no good" just don't get it.

Exactly.
 
Re: Traffic stop in Beatty reveals $750,000 stash

The money is bad, but more importantly the search was bad... the dog should not signal like there were kilos of coke in the car.

cops have too much seizure power here.

Two wrongs don't make a right, the shakedown was the second wrong, better that the bad money isn't seized, IMO... sets a bad precedent. It will be used to buy more police cars to protect tiny Beatty or something.

Its an overly aggressive seizure that erodes our rights.

During WW2 tons of fine legal Japanese citizens were sent to internment camps because of their heritage alone, it was only over 60 years ago...

Too much gov't power. I hope the US gets overthrown, I hate my ****-tree!
 

winkyduck

TYVM Morgan William!!!
Re: Traffic stop in Beatty reveals $750,000 stash

then again if i know i have that much money in the car i obey EVERY SINGLE law out there. i stop at stop signs. i drive with the flow of traffic and not ONE MPH over it. i drive as clean and law abiding as i can so i don't get pulled over
 

Wise Guy

EOG Addicted
Re: Traffic stop in Beatty reveals $750,000 stash

There is a reason these things never get taken to court.

I drive around with sizeable amounts of cash from time to time - whether I am going to a casino, taking it from one bank to another, etc. You best believe if they confiscated it from me, I'd have a lawyer the next day reclaiming it and showing where I got it.

You best believe you have a very slim chance of getting that money back. And if you do get it back it will be years and many many Lawyer fees ahead. This has been going on in America since the Mid eighties. Cash is illegal in the states. If you have it , the government or the cops want it. Legitimate or not.

You are right on Mr. Buffalo. The other folks in this thread that say they are going to get a lawyer, going to get that money back, they are living in the twilight zone. This sort of thing happens every day, all over America, which used to be a free country. And almost never does the government return the money. Normally, the government brings no charges and simply splits the money between various state, local, and federal government entities.

And it does not matter whether you claim the money is yours or you say that you have no idea where it came from. The people have lost control of this country and the thugs (government) have taken control.

And you are especially at risk if you fly because TSA thieves steal money every day from people traveling with large amounts of cash. They steal it right in front of your face, maybe give you a receipt (maybe not), and you have no way of getting it back. It's gone forever.

Welcome to America.
 

Wise Guy

EOG Addicted
Re: Traffic stop in Beatty reveals $750,000 stash

Well there's a huge difference in what you're saying and what happened on the traffic stop. If you withdrew any money from the bank there is going to be a record of it. You have proof that the money belongs to you and it would be returned.

This woman denied knowing the money was there and who it might belong too. It is therefore called found property and must be tagged into a police property room. Now, if someone can come forward and show that the money was not obtained illegaly and does in fact belong to them it will be returned by a judge. Somehow I'm thinking nobody is going to come forward.

It does not matter if she withdrew the money from the bank or where she got the money. The police, the feds, the DEA, etc. etc. do this sort of thing every day. And they do not care if you can prove the money is yours.

It is amazing to me how many of you are living in some sort of dream world.
 
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Wise Guy

EOG Addicted
Re: Traffic stop in Beatty reveals $750,000 stash

. . .There should be better reason to confiscate than normal coke traces on paper money, at least some way to explain and appeal.. ..

Well over 75% of currency in circulation in Las Vegas and Los Angeles is tainted with traces of cocaine. Enough for dogs to "hit on" when you bundle it.
 

Wise Guy

EOG Addicted
Re: Traffic stop in Beatty reveals $750,000 stash

. . . Now, if someone can come forward and show that the money was not obtained illegaly and does in fact belong to them it will be returned by a judge. . . .

Maybe. But only after much time has passed and after huge expenditures for attorneys. Do you really have $300,000 handy to get back the $100,000 that the government seized (without cause) and refused to return?
 

Wise Guy

EOG Addicted
Re: Traffic stop in Beatty reveals $750,000 stash

. . . You folks who think it's easy to get back, or that it's ok because "It's obvious they were up to no good" just don't get it.

You are right on JC.

I am absolutely amazed by this thread. Certainly, I expect the ordinary stupid American to not understand what our government is all about. However, the folks that participate in EOG, well I expected them to be a lot more aware. I am truly disappointed.
 
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Wise Guy

EOG Addicted
Re: Traffic stop in Beatty reveals $750,000 stash

. . . I have absolutely no problem with the cops taking cash from someone who can't show where they got it. Just a simple, it came from here will get you it back as long as here is not dealing, stealing, etc . . .

If it happens to you, when the government thieves simply keep your cash and refuse to return it, and you discover there is no cheap-easy-quick legal procedure for recovering your funds -- you will sing a different tune.
 

pioneer

EOG Dedicated
Re: Traffic stop in Beatty reveals $750,000 stash

It wouldn't matter if she said it was hers.

If she can not show how she obtained it legally, they keep it. The courts have upheld this nonsense.

There was a case I read about a while back where a hispanic man on a bus had his entire life savings, I think it was around $30,000, confiscated. He had been saving it for a lifetime and didn't use banks.

The burden should not be on the person with the money to prove anything. They should be able to say nothing and drive off with their money, or the money hidden in their car that they didn't know about. This is outrageous.

Carrying cash, even large amounts of it, should not be a crime. Cash should not be subject to forfeiture because everyone "knows" it had to come from criminal activity.

You folks who think it's easy to get back, or that it's ok because "It's obvious they were up to no good" just don't get it.

But I most certainly do get it, JC...do you? I don't think so. Let's talk about this specific case, what exactly were the police supposed to do? According to your post, where you said...
"Carrying cash, even large amounts of it, should not be a crime. Cash should not be subject to forfeiture because everyone "knows" it had to come from criminal activity."
...the police should have just issued her a ticket for speeding and told her to try to find the rightful owners of the cash when she returned home to Iowa. Since that is what your post implies, I would like you to step up to the plate and try to justify how this is the right thing for the police to do. I'll wait for your reply(before calling you an idiot!)
 
Re: Traffic stop in Beatty reveals $750,000 stash

"The burden should not be on the person with the money to prove anything. They should be able to say nothing and drive off with their money, or the money hidden in their car that they didn't know about"

Well, of course.

"Ma'm" we found what looks to be about $750,000 in cash in three secret compartments in your vehicle. Know anything about that?"

"No officer, but thanks for letting me know. My boyfriend does landscaping part-time. Maybe it's his savings!"

"OK, ma'm, have a nice day."
 

ballwonder

EOG Master
Re: Traffic stop in Beatty reveals $750,000 stash

If there were no drugs, why do they get to keep the money?

Is it illegal to drive around with money in your car?

If I run a stop light on my way home from the casino can they just say a drug dog "hit" on my car and then take my car and everything in it?


Well, if she did not own the money and the rightful owner does not come forward, which they wont, you can bet youre ass they will make a motion to keep the money. Just because it is initially seized does not mean it is theirs right away. But what moron would come forward and say, "yes that is mine in my truck.
 

texansfan

EOG Master
Re: Traffic stop in Beatty reveals $750,000 stash

Again, most of you are ignorant when it comes to anything police related. I'm assuming that you're police related knowledge comes from CSI or Law and Order. Quite a few of you are also trying to lump different scenarios into how everything works. The police had no choice but to take the money when the woman denied ownership of it.

I think the poster wise guy is the one who lives in a TV related fanstasy world. How many years do you have in law enforcement? Again, people who can prove ownership of property will always get it back unless it was gotten through illegal means. Why would someone hide 750K in panels and then deny ownership?
 

JC

EOG Veteran
Re: Traffic stop in Beatty reveals $750,000 stash

The cash is none of the police's business anymore than if the driver had bought a diamond necklace and was wearing it around their neck when they got stopped.

Stopping a car for speeding should not be a valid reason to search a car, or bring out the dogs. See this case:

Oyez: Knowles v. Iowa, 525 U.S. 113 (1998), U.S. Supreme Court Case Summary & Oral Argument

Justices Question Iowa Law Allowing the Police to Search Cars in Traffic Violations - New York Times

From the article:

With a speeding violation, ''the offense is complete when the car is brought to a stop,'' Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist said, adding, ''There is no more evidence to look for.''

If the police have no other reason to suspect there was a crime committed, then they should have no standing to confiscate the money and place the burden on the driver to prove it was acquired legally.

Innocent until proven guilty should be the standard. Asking the driver to explain the origin of the money is guilty until proven innocent. The end does not justify the means.
 
Re: Traffic stop in Beatty reveals $750,000 stash

Good luck JC.

$750,000 hidden in the vehicle?

You really are living on Mars.
 

OMNIVOROUS FROG

EOG Master
Re: Traffic stop in Beatty reveals $750,000 stash

Welcome to the police state illegal search and seizure game? The dog hit on it? Did the officer step on the dog's foot to make it bark? Drug patrol? What a joke. A plain and simple money grab so they can get more goodies to grab more money. The us marshalls, the IRS have unlimited powers, way worse than this local bumpkin cop. They take it, you have the burden to prove how you got it. Must have skipped that part of the US constitution or the bill of rights.

POLICE STATE, here to serve and protect, themselves.

Best Wishes...OF :+cops-2+
 
Re: Traffic stop in Beatty reveals $750,000 stash

Would you like to tell me what the crime is?

No, Perry Mason. Who said there was a crime? Yet. They let the girl go.

But I would like to hear your defense for the release of the money.

Judge: "JC, your client was stopped with $750,000 hidden in her vehicle. She claims to have no knowledge of the money. What do you have to say?

JC: Well see, Judge, I liken it to having a diamond necklace around your neck."

Maria may need new legal counsel.
 

texansfan

EOG Master
Re: Traffic stop in Beatty reveals $750,000 stash

All you wannabe cops make me laugh. How many of you were at the scene when this seizure took place? Do you really believe that the article explains to the very last detail everything that occurred on that traffic stop? You people are the one's who on Monday explain to their friends how their team should have played on Sunday.

Again, unless any of you were actually there, or are even in law enforcement, you don't know what in the hell you are talking about.
 

texansfan

EOG Master
Re: Traffic stop in Beatty reveals $750,000 stash

No, Perry Mason. Who said there was a crime? Yet. They let the girl go.

But I would like to hear your defense for the release of the money.

Judge: "JC, your client was stopped with $750,000 hidden in her vehicle. She claims to have no knowledge of the money. What do you have to say?

JC: Well see, Judge, I liken it to having a diamond necklace around your neck."

Maria may need new legal counsel.

:+textinb3
 

The General

Another Day, Another Dollar
Re: Traffic stop in Beatty reveals $750,000 stash

Good discussion everyone. I know one thing about driving with lots of cash and/or drugs. If you are traveling thru Memphis Tenn and have an out of state plate, then you may as well put a sign on top the auto telling on yourself and you better look VERY normal (whatever crieteria that they see fit) and almost a senior citizen of 85+. That city may possibly be the most corrupt in the nation as has been discussed on here before. Thanks for your sharing of opinions.
 

OMNIVOROUS FROG

EOG Master
Re: Traffic stop in Beatty reveals $750,000 stash

All you wannabe cops make me laugh. How many of you were at the scene when this seizure took place? Do you really believe that the article explains to the very last detail everything that occurred on that traffic stop? You people are the one's who on Monday explain to their friends how their team should have played on Sunday.

Again, unless any of you were actually there, or are even in law enforcement, you don't know what in the hell you are talking about.

It's always good to have a believer. Not many of them left these days. I bet you salute the flag with one hand while jacking with the other, good for you.

Best Wishes...OF :cheers
 
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