Doc Mercer
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Re: pandora's black box flight 77 -- pilots show the truth
Flight 93 ....
another part of the Com Job
Flight 93 ....
another part of the Com Job
pandora's black box flight 77 -- pilots show the truth
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Doc Mercer
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Re: pandora's black box flight 77 -- pilots show the truth
YouTube - Pilots Discuss Difficulty of WTC Attacks
YouTube - Pilots Discuss Difficulty of WTC Attacks
Doc Mercer
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Re: pandora's black box flight 77 -- pilots show the truth
Love it!!!
I mean what could they say that would sound intelligent??
Give it by the end of this summer and this will strictly be a "Liberal"
forum as Dirty the GOP Head Man has bolted .... Devil only shows
up to ramble like a drunken 90 yr old man ... Merlin has admitted time
and time again with questions on topics like PNAC he has no clue
what anyone is talking about and Archie Bunker truly is the ORIGINAL
MEATHEAD .... Munchkin Man is like throwing George Bush into a cage
with 6 "Insurgents" and Mr Right is living proof that anyone with a
Reagan Avatar smoked too much weed back in the 80s
Like termites ... bring in some potent poison and they die quickly and
the rest of the pack bolts !!!
artyartyartyartyarty
Love it!!!
I mean what could they say that would sound intelligent??
Give it by the end of this summer and this will strictly be a "Liberal"
forum as Dirty the GOP Head Man has bolted .... Devil only shows
up to ramble like a drunken 90 yr old man ... Merlin has admitted time
and time again with questions on topics like PNAC he has no clue
what anyone is talking about and Archie Bunker truly is the ORIGINAL
MEATHEAD .... Munchkin Man is like throwing George Bush into a cage
with 6 "Insurgents" and Mr Right is living proof that anyone with a
Reagan Avatar smoked too much weed back in the 80s
Like termites ... bring in some potent poison and they die quickly and
the rest of the pack bolts !!!
artyartyartyartyarty
Doc Mercer
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Re: pandora's black box flight 77 -- pilots show the truth
Close along the lines of a balloon ...
thinking more along the lines of a Nancy Reagan blowup doll
Close along the lines of a balloon ...
thinking more along the lines of a Nancy Reagan blowup doll
Doc Mercer
EOG Master
Re: pandora's black box flight 77 -- pilots show the truth
Looks like it is down to .... welll .... Roscoe?
Seriously .... is there any Rightie on this board that actually contributes
anything of substance?
Seems Bunker and Merlin show up to act like kids and Nicolas shows up
pissed off at all Muslims after he has a big lovers fight with Abdullah
Devil is old enough to have dated Barbara Bush in High School and
Mr Right thinks Coulter is "hot" .....
This group is about as strong as the Polish army taking on Hitlers Panzers
in Sept of 39
Looks like it is down to .... welll .... Roscoe?
Seriously .... is there any Rightie on this board that actually contributes
anything of substance?
Seems Bunker and Merlin show up to act like kids and Nicolas shows up
pissed off at all Muslims after he has a big lovers fight with Abdullah
Devil is old enough to have dated Barbara Bush in High School and
Mr Right thinks Coulter is "hot" .....
This group is about as strong as the Polish army taking on Hitlers Panzers
in Sept of 39
DimeDR
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Re: pandora's black box flight 77 -- pilots show the truth
what gets me is shams like merlin have the seeds to call me a chickenshit and laugh at 14 y-o girls being raped and murdered and yet when it comes to cold facts right under his nose to comment on, he wont say a word ... what else needs to be said about his spine?
what gets me is shams like merlin have the seeds to call me a chickenshit and laugh at 14 y-o girls being raped and murdered and yet when it comes to cold facts right under his nose to comment on, he wont say a word ... what else needs to be said about his spine?
Doc Mercer
EOG Master
Re: pandora's black box flight 77 -- pilots show the truth
Thats the way the Right brain operates:
Laura Bush attacks Parkinsons Victim Michael J Fox
Beck calls Katrina Victims scum and laughs at those who lost homes in
the SD fires
Limbaugh defends American torture as "blowing off steam"
Hannity attacks folks who lost kids in Iraq
Coulter mocks and attacks 9-11 widows
AND ONE WONDERS WHY THE RIGHT'S "MESSAGE" IS NO LONGER SELLABLE?
Thats the way the Right brain operates:
Laura Bush attacks Parkinsons Victim Michael J Fox
Beck calls Katrina Victims scum and laughs at those who lost homes in
the SD fires
Limbaugh defends American torture as "blowing off steam"
Hannity attacks folks who lost kids in Iraq
Coulter mocks and attacks 9-11 widows
AND ONE WONDERS WHY THE RIGHT'S "MESSAGE" IS NO LONGER SELLABLE?
Doc Mercer
EOG Master
Re: pandora's black box flight 77 -- pilots show the truth
Nicolas avatar says it all ...
Nicolas avatar says it all ...
Doc Mercer
EOG Master
Re: pandora's black box flight 77 -- pilots show the truth
<small>
"Have you been a good boy
Roscoe and continue to read
the Limbaugh Chronicles
daily and watch nothing
but FOX NEWS?"
</small>
<small>
"Have you been a good boy
Roscoe and continue to read
the Limbaugh Chronicles
daily and watch nothing
but FOX NEWS?"
</small>
DimeDR
Banned
Re: pandora's black box flight 77 -- pilots show the truth
roscoe,
what about real exp. military pilots not being able to duplicate the flights and saying 0% chance that hani or atta did?
stop with the silly pics and face some facts.
why dont you watch this gov. fact/sponsored video
roscoe,
what about real exp. military pilots not being able to duplicate the flights and saying 0% chance that hani or atta did?
stop with the silly pics and face some facts.
why dont you watch this gov. fact/sponsored video
Doc Mercer
EOG Master
Re: pandora's black box flight 77 -- pilots show the truth
Dime:
I have a vision ..... hang on .... its foggy but clearing up ....
I see an EOG poster ..... starting to pick up the handle ... looks like
it starts with an R .... he is starting to type something in to respond
to your question
Its not clear yet ..... looks like it starts with the letter P ... its
now becoming very clear:
PROVE IT !!!
Dime:
I have a vision ..... hang on .... its foggy but clearing up ....
I see an EOG poster ..... starting to pick up the handle ... looks like
it starts with an R .... he is starting to type something in to respond
to your question
Its not clear yet ..... looks like it starts with the letter P ... its
now becoming very clear:
PROVE IT !!!
DimeDR
Banned
Re: pandora's black box flight 77 -- pilots show the truth
who fails to see that the righties on this site are all cowards and duck every single thread where they are spanked w/o chance of looking like losers and reverse patriots ... they back lies and cant admit the truth even when their heroes serve it up on platter such as this flight 77 film ... step up, sheeple, say something wise -- for once!
who fails to see that the righties on this site are all cowards and duck every single thread where they are spanked w/o chance of looking like losers and reverse patriots ... they back lies and cant admit the truth even when their heroes serve it up on platter such as this flight 77 film ... step up, sheeple, say something wise -- for once!
Re: pandora's black box flight 77 -- pilots show the truth
i can't let your lunacy go unanswered!
Piloting skills
Claim
Hani Hanjour had poor piloting skills, and couldn't have executed a 270? (or 330?) turn that the aircraft made before its final approach in hitting the Pentagon.
Fact
The main concerns that flight instructors had about Hani were his poor English language skills and behavior problems.
The New York Daily News spoke with an expert who said, "steering a large jet into a huge building wouldn't require a great deal of skill because taking off and landing are the most difficult maneuvers. A few hours in a twin-engine plane or a decent simulator could get you there."<SUP class=reference id=_ref-10>[18]</SUP>
Freeway Airport in Bowie
Loose Change includes a clip from an interview with Marcel Bernard, chief flight instructor Freeway Airport in Bowie. That's where Hani Hanjour came in August to rent a small plane. They took him on three test runs and "found he had trouble controlling and landing the single-engine Cessna 172." (What does landing an airplane have to do with crashing an airplane into a building?) They wanted Hanjour to have more time with an instructor before allowing him to rent an aircraft on his own.<SUP class=reference id=_ref-11>[19]</SUP>
Hanjour did have his commercial pilot's license and showed them his log book which cataloged over 600 hours of flying experience.<SUP class=reference id=_ref-frank_0>[20]</SUP> However, due to concern with his piloting skills, as well as the fact that Hanjour refused to provide an address and phone number (a standard part of the plane rental application), they declined his request to rent an aircraft.<SUP class=reference id=_ref-baltimore-09182001_1>[14]</SUP>
Despite Hanjour's poor reviews, he did have some ability as a pilot, said Bernard of Freeway Airport. "There's no doubt in my mind that once that [hijacked jet] got going, he could have pointed that plane at a building and hit it."<SUP class=reference id=_ref-frank_1>[20]</SUP>
330 degree turn
The 330 or 270 or whatever degree diving turn itself is consistent with a pilot scanning for visible landmarks and suddenly spotting his target, and not consistent with remote or autonomous systems. A pilot running remotely would not have the same visual acuity, -- looking through a camera, say -- and would absolutely have to be using other sensors (GPS, terrain-following radar, etc.) in which case he'd have the Pentagon pretty clearly marked. There would be no need for a sudden correction like that. He'd have a better flight plan from the beginning.<SUP class=reference id=_ref-mackey_0>[21]</SUP>
The plane (or drone) was remotely piloted
While theoretically possible, it would be enormously difficult to have piloted Flight 77 remotely or automatically. Remote guidance of the aircraft would not have improved its flying characteristics or performance. Quite the opposite, in fact. An autonomous aircraft control system will stay away from the limits of performance whenever possible, simply because the autonomous control system may not be stable there -- it may not react quickly enough, may accidentally overshoot, or it may have never encountered those conditions and behave unpredictably. Similarly, a remotely controlled aircraft will avoid challenging flight regimes because the pilot suffers additional delay, and cannot completely sense what his aircraft is doing.<SUP class=reference id=_ref-mackey_1>[21]</SUP>
Was Hani Hanjour really on Flight 77?
After the 9/11 attacks, the Arab News in Saudi Arabia reported that Hani Hanjour's family in Taif (Saudi Arabia) was accepting condolences. They understood and believed Hani was on the flight and had died.<SUP class=reference id=_ref-12>[22]</SUP>
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i can't let your lunacy go unanswered!
Piloting skills ClaimHani Hanjour had poor piloting skills, and couldn't have executed a 270? (or 330?) turn that the aircraft made before its final approach in hitting the Pentagon.
FactThe main concerns that flight instructors had about Hani were his poor English language skills and behavior problems.
- "He didn't do his homework, didn't attend on time and he would sort of come and go," said Duncan Hastie of Cockpit Resource Management.<SUP class=reference id=_ref-7>[15]</SUP>
- "He wasn't the greatest of students in terms of his attitude, but most of that was his lack of ability to communicate in English, and I don't speak Arabic." said one of his flight instructors in Arizona.<SUP class=reference id=_ref-chen_1>[5]</SUP>
- Peggy Chevrette, the manager for the now-defunct JetTech flight school in Phoenix, "Hanjour's English was so poor that it took him five hours to complete a section of a mock pilot's oral exam that is supposed to last just a couple of hours."<SUP class=reference id=_ref-8>[16]</SUP>
The New York Daily News spoke with an expert who said, "steering a large jet into a huge building wouldn't require a great deal of skill because taking off and landing are the most difficult maneuvers. A few hours in a twin-engine plane or a decent simulator could get you there."<SUP class=reference id=_ref-10>[18]</SUP>
Freeway Airport in BowieLoose Change includes a clip from an interview with Marcel Bernard, chief flight instructor Freeway Airport in Bowie. That's where Hani Hanjour came in August to rent a small plane. They took him on three test runs and "found he had trouble controlling and landing the single-engine Cessna 172." (What does landing an airplane have to do with crashing an airplane into a building?) They wanted Hanjour to have more time with an instructor before allowing him to rent an aircraft on his own.<SUP class=reference id=_ref-11>[19]</SUP>
Hanjour did have his commercial pilot's license and showed them his log book which cataloged over 600 hours of flying experience.<SUP class=reference id=_ref-frank_0>[20]</SUP> However, due to concern with his piloting skills, as well as the fact that Hanjour refused to provide an address and phone number (a standard part of the plane rental application), they declined his request to rent an aircraft.<SUP class=reference id=_ref-baltimore-09182001_1>[14]</SUP>
Despite Hanjour's poor reviews, he did have some ability as a pilot, said Bernard of Freeway Airport. "There's no doubt in my mind that once that [hijacked jet] got going, he could have pointed that plane at a building and hit it."<SUP class=reference id=_ref-frank_1>[20]</SUP>
330 degree turnThe 330 or 270 or whatever degree diving turn itself is consistent with a pilot scanning for visible landmarks and suddenly spotting his target, and not consistent with remote or autonomous systems. A pilot running remotely would not have the same visual acuity, -- looking through a camera, say -- and would absolutely have to be using other sensors (GPS, terrain-following radar, etc.) in which case he'd have the Pentagon pretty clearly marked. There would be no need for a sudden correction like that. He'd have a better flight plan from the beginning.<SUP class=reference id=_ref-mackey_0>[21]</SUP>
The plane (or drone) was remotely pilotedWhile theoretically possible, it would be enormously difficult to have piloted Flight 77 remotely or automatically. Remote guidance of the aircraft would not have improved its flying characteristics or performance. Quite the opposite, in fact. An autonomous aircraft control system will stay away from the limits of performance whenever possible, simply because the autonomous control system may not be stable there -- it may not react quickly enough, may accidentally overshoot, or it may have never encountered those conditions and behave unpredictably. Similarly, a remotely controlled aircraft will avoid challenging flight regimes because the pilot suffers additional delay, and cannot completely sense what his aircraft is doing.<SUP class=reference id=_ref-mackey_1>[21]</SUP>
Was Hani Hanjour really on Flight 77?After the 9/11 attacks, the Arab News in Saudi Arabia reported that Hani Hanjour's family in Taif (Saudi Arabia) was accepting condolences. They understood and believed Hani was on the flight and had died.<SUP class=reference id=_ref-12>[22]</SUP>
Documents<TABLE class=gallery cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD>
First page of Hanjour?s Sept. 10, 2000 visa application
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Second page of Hanjour?s visa application
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References- <LI id=_note-0>↑ http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/OG00020-09.pdf <LI id=_note-travel>↑ <SUP>2.0</SUP> <SUP>2.1</SUP> <SUP>2.2</SUP> <SUP>2.3</SUP> <SUP>2.4</SUP> <SUP>2.5</SUP> <SUP>2.6</SUP> <SUP>2.7</SUP> <SUP>2.8</SUP> Staff Monograph on 9/11 and Terrorist Travel. 9/11 Commission (2004). <LI id=_note-1>↑ Statement for the Record - FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III. Joint Intelligence Committee Inquiry (September 26, 2002). <LI id=_note-moussaoui-march7>↑ <SUP>4.0</SUP> <SUP>4.1</SUP> Zacarias Moussauoi v. the United States, trial testimony on March 7, 2006. <LI id=_note-chen>↑ <SUP>5.0</SUP> <SUP>5.1</SUP> Chen, David W.. "Man Traveled Across U.S. In His Quest to Be a Pilot", The New York Times, September 18, 2001. <LI id=_note-latimes-2001-0927>↑ Williams, Carol J., John-Thor Dahlburg, H.G. Reza. "The conspirators with borrowed names blended in, trading one seedy room for the next. They took flying lessons--and plotted", Los Angeles Times, September 27, 2001. <LI id=_note-bg-20020303>↑ <SUP>7.0</SUP> <SUP>7.1</SUP> "Driving a Wedge - Bin Laden, the US and Saudi Arabia (Part 1)", The Boston Globe, March 3, 2002. <LI id=_note-2>↑ <CITE class=book style="FONT-STYLE: normal">McDermott, Terry (2005). Perfect Soldiers. HarperCollins, p. 204.</CITE> <LI id=_note-911-ch7>↑ <SUP>9.0</SUP> <SUP>9.1</SUP> <SUP>9.2</SUP> <SUP>9.3</SUP> <SUP>9.4</SUP> <SUP>9.5</SUP> <SUP>9.6</SUP> <SUP>9.7</SUP> http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch7.htm <LI id=_note-3>↑ Martin, John P.. "Landlord identifies terrorists as renters", The Star-Ledger, September 27, 2001. <LI id=_note-4>↑ http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/OG00020-09.pdf <LI id=_note-5>↑ Martin, John P.. "Landlord identifies terrorists as renters", The Star-Ledger, September 27, 2001. <LI id=_note-6>↑ Martin, John P.. "Landlord identifies terrorists as renters", The Star-Ledger, September 27, 2001. <LI id=_note-baltimore-09182001>↑ <SUP>14.0</SUP> <SUP>14.1</SUP> Wilber, Del Quentin and Michael James. "In Md., errands, exercise filled hijackers' final days; Bowie flight school, Greenbelt gym used", The Baltimore Sun, September 18, 2001. <LI id=_note-7>↑ http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/05/10/attack/main508656.shtml <LI id=_note-8>↑ http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/05/10/attack/main508656.shtml <LI id=_note-9>↑ FAA alerted by flight school in early 2001 about man who became Sept. 11 hijacker May 10, 2002, Associated Press <LI id=_note-10>↑ Buettner, Russ. "FBI Eying Flight School Rosters for Clues, Training a key link in probe", Daily News (New York), September 20, 2001. <LI id=_note-11>↑ Headden, Susan. "The banality of evil", U.S. News & World Report, October 1, 2001. <LI id=_note-frank>↑ <SUP>20.0</SUP> <SUP>20.1</SUP> Frank, Thomas. "Where System Failed;Tracing Trail Of Hijackers", Newsday (New York), September 23, 2001. <LI id=_note-mackey>↑ <SUP>21.0</SUP> <SUP>21.1</SUP> JREF post by R.Mackey
- ↑ "Some Light Shed On Saudi Suspects; Many Raised in Area of Religious Dissent", The Washington Post, September 25, 2001.
Other references- Hanjour a Study in Paradox - The Washington Post (October 15, 2001)
- Three Hijackers Had San Diego Ties, 10news.com
Doc Mercer
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Re: pandora's black box flight 77 -- pilots show the truth
</td><td align="center"> </td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr><tr> <td><table style="border-collapse: collapse;" bgcolor="#d8d8d8" border="1" bordercolor="#111111" cellpadding="7" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td>The hit on the Pentagon:The steep turn [of Flight 77] was so smooth, the sources say, it's clear there was no fight for control going on. [CBS News]
The above is contradicted by this eyewitness recollection of the day's events...
William Middleton Sr. was running his street sweeper through the cemetery when he heard a harsh whistling sound overhead. Middleton looked up and spotted a commercial jet [Flight 77] whose pilot seemed to be fighting with his own craft. [SouthCoast Today]
If the pilot was wrestling with the plane's controls then it would not fly straight, but if the plane was 'electronically hijacked' his actions would be irrelevant.
The following documents a remote controlled test flight in 1984...
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Hani Hanjour:
9/11 Pilot Extraordinaire
9/11 Pilot Extraordinaire
From the ridiculous to the sublime...
<center><table border="0" cellpadding="7" width="630"> <tbody><tr> <td>Federal Aviation Administration records show [Hanjour] obtained a commercial pilot's license in April 1999, but how and where he did so remains a lingering question that FAA officials refuse to discuss. His limited flying abilities do afford an insight into one feature of the attacks: The conspiracy apparently did not include a surplus of skilled pilots. [Cape Cod Times] [Flight Academy] Staff members characterized Mr. Hanjour as polite, meek and very quiet. But most of all, the former employee said, they considered him a very bad pilot. "I'm still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon," the former employee said. "He could not fly at all." [New York Times]
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Cockpit of a Cessna 172
At Freeway Airport in Bowie, Md., 20 miles west of Washington, flight instructor Sheri Baxter instantly recognized the name of alleged hijacker Hani Hanjour when the FBI released a list of 19 suspects in the four hijackings. Hanjour, the only suspect on Flight 77 the FBI listed as a pilot, had come to the airport one month earlier seeking to rent a small plane.
However, when Baxter and fellow instructor Ben Conner took the slender, soft-spoken Hanjour on three test runs during the second week of August, they found he had trouble controlling and landing the single-engine Cessna 172. Even though Hanjour showed a federal pilot's license and a log book cataloging 600 hours of flying experience, chief flight instructor Marcel Bernard declined to rent him a plane without more lessons.
In the spring of 2000, Hanjour had asked to enroll in the CRM Airline Training Center in Scottsdale, Ariz., for advanced training, said the center's attorney, Gerald Chilton Jr. Hanjour had attended the school for three months in late 1996 and again in December 1997 but never finished coursework for a license to fly a single-engine aircraft, Chilton said.
When Hanjour reapplied to the center last year, "We declined to provide training to him because we didn't think he was a good enough student when he was there in 1996 and 1997" Chilton said. [Newsday]
However, when Baxter and fellow instructor Ben Conner took the slender, soft-spoken Hanjour on three test runs during the second week of August, they found he had trouble controlling and landing the single-engine Cessna 172. Even though Hanjour showed a federal pilot's license and a log book cataloging 600 hours of flying experience, chief flight instructor Marcel Bernard declined to rent him a plane without more lessons.
In the spring of 2000, Hanjour had asked to enroll in the CRM Airline Training Center in Scottsdale, Ariz., for advanced training, said the center's attorney, Gerald Chilton Jr. Hanjour had attended the school for three months in late 1996 and again in December 1997 but never finished coursework for a license to fly a single-engine aircraft, Chilton said.
When Hanjour reapplied to the center last year, "We declined to provide training to him because we didn't think he was a good enough student when he was there in 1996 and 1997" Chilton said. [Newsday]
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<center><table style="border-collapse: collapse;" bgcolor="#d8d8d8" border="1" bordercolor="#000000" cellpadding="7" cellspacing="0" width="630"> <tbody><tr> <td>On December 12, 2000, [Nawaf al Hazmi and Hani Hanjour] were settling in Mesa, Arizona, and Hanjour was ready to brush up on his flight training [Brush up? He could barely fly a Cessna]. By early 2001, he was using a Boeing 737 simulator. Because his performance struck his flight instructors as sub-standard, they discouraged Hanjour from continuing, but he persisted.
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<center><table border="0" cellpadding="7" width="630"> <tbody><tr> <td>After wisely investing $40 Hanjour produced the following miraculous results on 9/11:</td></tr></tbody></table></center>
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Cockpit of a Boeing 757At a speed of about 500 miles an hour, the plane was headed straight for what is known as P-56, protected air space 56, which covers the White House and the Capitol.
"The speed, the maneuverability, the way that he turned, we all thought in the radar room, all of us experienced air traffic controllers, that that was a military plane," says O'Brien. "You don't fly a 757 in that manner. It's unsafe." [NATCA]
But just as the plane seemed to be on a suicide mission into the White House, the unidentified pilot[Hanjour] executed a pivot so tight that it reminded observers of a fighter jet maneuver. The plane circled 270 degrees to the right to approach the Pentagon from the west, whereupon Flight 77 fell below radar level, vanishing from controllers' screens, the sources said.
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Cockpit of a Boeing 757
"The speed, the maneuverability, the way that he turned, we all thought in the radar room, all of us experienced air traffic controllers, that that was a military plane," says O'Brien. "You don't fly a 757 in that manner. It's unsafe." [NATCA]
But just as the plane seemed to be on a suicide mission into the White House, the unidentified pilot[Hanjour] executed a pivot so tight that it reminded observers of a fighter jet maneuver. The plane circled 270 degrees to the right to approach the Pentagon from the west, whereupon Flight 77 fell below radar level, vanishing from controllers' screens, the sources said.
<center><table style="border-collapse: collapse;" id="AutoNumber29" border="0" bordercolor="#111111" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td>Less than an hour after two other jets demolished the World Trade Center in Manhattan, Flight 77 carved a hole in the nation's defense headquarters, a hole five stories high and 200 feet wide. Aviation sources said the plane was flown with extraordinary skill, making it highly likely that a trained pilot was at the helm, possibly one of the hijackers. Someone even knew how to turn off the transponder, a move that is considerably less than obvious. [Washington Post]
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Is it pure coincidence that the above mentioned "fighter jet maneuver" steered Flight 77 into a barely habited newly reinforced section of the Pentagon? Why didn't the USAF intervene in the aerial acrobatics of Flight 77?</td></tr></tbody></table> </center>
</td><td align="center"> </td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr><tr> <td><table style="border-collapse: collapse;" bgcolor="#d8d8d8" border="1" bordercolor="#111111" cellpadding="7" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td>The hit on the Pentagon:The steep turn [of Flight 77] was so smooth, the sources say, it's clear there was no fight for control going on. [CBS News]
The above is contradicted by this eyewitness recollection of the day's events...
William Middleton Sr. was running his street sweeper through the cemetery when he heard a harsh whistling sound overhead. Middleton looked up and spotted a commercial jet [Flight 77] whose pilot seemed to be fighting with his own craft. [SouthCoast Today]
If the pilot was wrestling with the plane's controls then it would not fly straight, but if the plane was 'electronically hijacked' his actions would be irrelevant.
The following documents a remote controlled test flight in 1984...
<center><table style="border-collapse: collapse;" id="AutoNumber34" border="1" bordercolor="#111111" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td><table style="border-collapse: collapse;" id="AutoNumber33" bgcolor="#bebebe" border="0" bordercolor="#111111" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td colspan="3">On the morning of December 1, 1984, a remotely controlled Boeing 720 transport took off from Edwards Air Force Base (Edwards, California), made a left-hand departure and climbed to an altitude of 2300 feet. ... The aircraft was remotely flown by NASA research pilot Fitzhugh (Fitz) Fulton from the NASA Dryden Remotely Controlled Vehicle Facility. Previously, the Boeing 720 had been flown on 14 practice flights with safety pilots onboard. During the 14 flights, there were 16 hours and 22 minutes of remotely piloted vehicle control, including 10 remotely piloted takeoffs, 69 remotely piloted vehicle controlled approaches, and 13 remotely piloted vehicle landings on abort runway.
</td></tr><tr> <td>It was planned that the aircraft would land wings-level and exactly on the centerline during the [Controlled Impact Demonstration], thus allowing the fuselage to remain intact as the wings were sliced open by eight posts cemented into the runway. </td><td></td><td> </td></tr><tr> <td colspan="3">The Boeing 720 landed askew... [NASA] In the above photograph the B-720 is seen during the moments of initial impact. The left wing is digging into the lakebed while the aircraft continues sliding towards wing openers. [NASA]</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></center>
The above brings up a question about the Pentagon impact. How could a first time flyer who "could not fly at all" fly faster and more precisely than a NASA research pilot who'd had numerous practice flights at his objective?</td></tr><tr> <td>It was planned that the aircraft would land wings-level and exactly on the centerline during the [Controlled Impact Demonstration], thus allowing the fuselage to remain intact as the wings were sliced open by eight posts cemented into the runway. </td><td></td><td> </td></tr><tr> <td colspan="3">The Boeing 720 landed askew... [NASA] In the above photograph the B-720 is seen during the moments of initial impact. The left wing is digging into the lakebed while the aircraft continues sliding towards wing openers. [NASA]</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></center>
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"The hijacker-pilots were then forced to execute a difficult high-speed descending turn. Radar shows Flight 77 did a down-ward spiral, turning almost a complete circle and dropping the last 7,000 feet in two-and-a-half minutes." -CBS
"...all of us experienced air traffic controllers, that that was a military plane...You don't fly a 757 in that manner. It's unsafe...This must be a fighter." -ABC
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'I couldn't believe he had a commercial license of any kind with the skills that he had.'" -CBS News
"...during the second week of August, they found he had trouble controlling and landingthe single-engine Cessna 172. Even though Hanjour showed a federal pilot's license ... chief flight instructor...declined to rent him a plane..." -Newsday
"I'm still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon...He could not fly at all." -New York Times
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<hr> ► Hani Hanjour, pilot and group leader
Age: 29.
Nationality: Saudi.
"Hanjour led the terrorist group based in San Diego. His only Florida contact came in 1996 when he stayed with friends of his brother in Miramar. In the weeks before Sept. 11, he met twice with Mohamed Atta in Las Vegas. The FBI now believes those sessions at a discount motel were crucial in planning the attacks. Hanjour took flying lessons in Scottsdale, Ariz., where his instructors said his skills were poor. Investigators say that could be the reason Flight 77, with Hanjour at the controls, began to jerk." - St. Petersburg Times ('02)
<hr> ► "School officials confirmed that Hanjour received three months of instruction during 1996 and 1997 and had put down a deposit for additional training in 1997, but did not attend those classes."
"The Federal Aviation Administration's directory shows that Hanjour was licensed as a commercial pilot for single-engine aircraft in Taife, Saudi Arabia. CRM provides instruction in larger commercial jets, training that could have been used by a terrorist to guide a Boeing 757 on a kamikaze attack."
"The bureau identified Hanjour as the only pilot among the five suspects aboard American Airlines Flight 77..."
"Although Hanjour left a paper trail from Phoenix to Tucson to Florida to the Middle East, his life seems to have been ghostly. No close friends or acquaintances have surfaced, and Valley Muslim leaders said they have never heard of him." -The Arizona Republic
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Aukai Collins, the informant, said he worked for the FBI for four years in Phoenix, monitoring the Arab and Islamic communities there. Hani Hanjour was the hijacker Collins claimed to have told the FBI about while Hanjour was in flight training in Phoenix.
Twenty hours after ABCNEWS first requested a response, the FBI issued an "emphatic denial" that Collins had told the agency anything about Hanjour, though FBI sources acknowledged that Collins had worked for them.
Collins said the FBI knew Hanjour lived in Phoenix, knew his exact address, his phone number and even what car he drove. "They knew everything about the guy," said Collins.
Once in Phoenix, in 1996, the FBI asked Collins to focus on a group of young Arab men, many of whom were taking flying lessons, including Hanjour, Collins said.
"They drank alcohol, messed around with girls and stuff like that," Collins told ABCNEWS. "They all lived in an apartment together, Hani and the others."
The FBI in Phoenix either failed to monitor Hanjour's communications or Hanjour himself practiced extraordinary skill in hiding his intentions ? because the FBI never regarded him as a threat.
"I can't figure it out either," said Collins, "how they went from their back yard to flying airplanes into buildings."
Congress cannot figure it out either, as it continues to demand answers from the FBI." -ABC (5/24/02)
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► "QUESTION: What can you tell us about flight training that any of the hijackers had received? Did they receive any training here in the United States?
ASHCROFT: It is our belief and the evidence indicates that flight training was received in the United States and that their capacity to operate the aircraft was substantial.
It's very clear that these orchestrated coordinated assaults on our country were well-conducted and conducted in a technically proficient way. It is not that easy to land these kinds of aircraft at very specific locations with accuracy or to direct them with the kind of accuracy, which was deadly in this case." - Global Security (9/14/01)
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</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-width: 1px;" colspan="2" bgcolor="#ffcc00" height="46" width="100%"> Look how low the Pentagon is to the ground. Do you think you could kamikaze a Boeing 757 into any side of this building with never having flown this plane before?
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"My first reaction was horrible, how the terrorists can do that, they could not do it alone; a jumbo jet cannot be handled by a lonely suicide bomber-like kamikaze." - Soldiers to the Rescue/Responding in the Pentagon [HTML]
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► On Flight 77: 'Our Plane Is Being Hijacked'
"But just as the plane seemed to be on a suicide mission into the White House, the unidentified pilot executed a pivot so tight that it reminded observers of a fighter jet maneuver."
"Aviation sources said the plane was flown with extraordinary skill, making it highly likely that a trained pilot was at the helm, possibly one of the hijackers." -Washington Post (9/12/01)
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► ?Get These Planes on the Ground?, Air Traffic Controllers Recall Sept. 11
"The speed, the maneuverability, the way that he turned, we all thought in the radar room, all of us experienced air traffic controllers, that that was a military plane," says O'Brien. "You don't fly a 757 in that manner. It's unsafe."
"And it went six, five, four. And I had it in my mouth to say, three, and all of a sudden the plane turned away. In the room, it was almost a sense of relief. This must be a fighter. This must be one of our guys sent in, scrambled to patrol our capital, and to protect our president, and we sat back in our chairs and breathed for just a second," says O'Brien.
But the plane continued to turn right until it had made a 360-degree maneuver." - ABC (10/24/01) [Wayback Machine]
(Photo source: Venik's Aviation)
<hr> ► "Q: How could terrorists fly these? Were they trained?
A: Whoever flew at least three of the death planes seemed very skilled. Investigators are impressed that they were schooled enough to turn off flight transponders -- which provide tower control with flight ID, altitude and location. Investigators are particularly impressed with the pilot who slammed into the Pentagon and, just before impact, performed a tightly banked 270-degree turn at low altitude with almost military precision." -Detroit News (9/13/01)
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► Primary Target
"New radar evidence obtained by CBS News strongly suggests that the hijacked jetliner which crashed into the Pentagon hit its intended target."
"But the jet, flying at more than 400 mph, was too fast and too high when it neared the Pentagon at 9:35. The hijacker-pilots were then forced to execute a difficult high-speed descending turn."
"Radar shows Flight 77 did a downward spiral, turning almost a complete circle and dropping the last 7,000 feet in two-and-a-half minutes."
"The steep turn was so smooth, the sources say, it's clear there was no fight for control going on. And the complex maneuver suggests the hijackers had better flying skills than many investigators first believed." -CBS (9/21/01)
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► Three-star general may be among Pentagon dead
"There wasn't anything in the air, except for one airplane, and it looked like it was loitering over Georgetown, in a high, left-hand bank," he said. "That may have been the plane. I have never seen one on that (flight) pattern." -CNN (9/13/01)
► Hijackers 'knew what they were doing'
"To pull off the coordinated aerial attack on the World Trade Center and Pentagon on Tuesday, the hijackers must have been extremely knowledgeable and capable aviators, a flight expert said.
By seizing four planes, diverting them from scheduled flight paths and managing to crash two into the twin towers of the World Trade Center and a third into the Pentagon, they must have had plenty of skill and training.
It was not known how the hijackers slipped through airport security checkpoints with their weapons.
There are no indications that any of the airline crews activated a four-digit code alerting ground controllers that a hijacking was in progress." -CNN (9/12/01)
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► "I was convinced it was a missile. It came in so fast it sounded nothing like an airplane," said Lou Rains -Space News
► "It just was amazingly precise," Daryl Donley, another commuter, said of the plane's impact. "It completely disappeared into the Pentagon." -News Journal (9/12/01)
► ''The plane came in at an incredibly steep angle with incredibly high speed,'' said Rick Renzi. -Pittsburg 11 News (Photo source: The Boeing Company)
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"Mr. Hanjour, who investigators contend piloted the airliner that crashed into the Pentagon, was reported to the aviation agency in February 2001 after instructors at his flight school in Phoenix had found his piloting skills so shoddy and his grasp of English so inadequate that they questioned whether his pilot's license was genuine.
Ms. Ladner said the Phoenix staff never suspected that Mr. Hanjour was a hijacker but feared that his skills were so weak that he could pose a safety hazard if he flew a commercial airliner.
Staff members characterized Mr. Hanjour as polite, meek and very quiet. But most of all, the former employee said, they considered him a very bad pilot.
"I'm still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon," the former employee said. "He could not fly at all." -New York Times (5/04/02)
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► FAA Was Alerted To Sept. 11 Hijacker
"Months before Hani Hanjour is believed to have flown an American Airlines jet into the Pentagon, managers at an Arizona flight school reported him at least five times to the FAA.
They reported him not because they feared he was a terrorist, but because his English and flying skills were so bad...they didn't think he should keep his pilot's license.
"I couldn't believe he had a commercial license of any kind with the skills that he had." Peggy Chevrette, Arizona flight school manager." -CBS News (5/10/02)
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► Tracing Trail Of Hijackers
"The hijacker believed to have steered American Airlines Flight 77 on its fatal path toward the Pentagon recently honed his rusty flying skills at a small Maryland airport, and more than a year ago sought training at a flight school in Arizona.
At Freeway Airport in Bowie, Md., 20 miles west of Washington, flight instructor Sheri Baxter instantly recognized the name of alleged hijacker Hani Hanjour when the FBI released a list of 19 suspects in the four hijackings. Hanjour, the only suspect on Flight 77 the FBI listed as a pilot, had come to the airport one month earlier seeking to rent a small plane.
However, when Baxter and fellow instructor Ben Conner took the slender, soft-spoken Hanjour on three test runs during the second week of August, they found he had trouble controlling and landing the single-engine Cessna 172. Even though Hanjour showed a federal pilot's license and a log book cataloging 600 hours of flying experience, chief flight instructor Marcel Bernard declined to rent him a plane without more lessons.
In the spring of 2000, Hanjour had asked to enroll in the CRM Airline Training Center in Scottsdale, Ariz., for advanced training, said the center's attorney, Gerald Chilton Jr. Hanjour had attended the school for three months in late 1996 and again in December 1997 but never finished coursework for a license to fly a single-engine aircraft, Chilton said.
When Hanjour reapplied to the center last year, "We declined to provide training to him because we didn't think he was a good enough student when he was there in 1996 and 1997," Chilton said." - Newsday (09/23/01)
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► Hanjour an unlikely terrorist
"Even as he pursued the flight training he would need for his final act, instructors found him withdrawn, slow to pick up a feel for the cockpit.
Over five years, Hanjour hopscotched among flight schools and airplane rental companies, but his instructors regarded him as a poor student, even in the weeks before the attacks.
Federal Aviation Administration records show he obtained a commercial pilot's license in April 1999, but how and where he did so remains a lingering question that FAA officials refuse to discuss. His limited flying abilities do afford an insight into one feature of the attacks: The conspiracy apparently did not include a surplus of skilled pilots.
"He had only the barest understanding what the instruments were there to do."
During three months of instruction in late 1996, Duncan K.M. Hastie, CRM's owner, found Hanjour a "weak student" who "was wasting our resources."
"The impression I got is he came and, like a lot of guys, got overwhelmed with the instruments." He used the simulator perhaps three or four more times, Fults said, then "disappeared like a fog."
Instructors once again questioned his competence. After three sessions in a single-engine plane, the school decided Hanjour was not ready to rent a plane by himself." - Cape Cod Times (10/12/02)
(Photo source: Airliners.net | Airplanes - Aviation - Aircraft - Aircraft Photos & News)
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► Terror warnings: Who knew what when?
"Instructors at a flying school in Phoenix, Arizona express concern to Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) officials about the poor English and limited flying skills of one of their students, Hani Hanjour.
They believe his pilot's license may be fraudulent.
The FAA finds it is genuine - but school administrators tell Mr. Hanjour he will not qualify for an advanced certificate." -BBC (5/17/02)
<hr> ► "Instructors at the school told Bernard that after three times in the air, they still felt he was unable to fly solo and that Hanjour seemed disappointed.
Published reports said Hanjour obtained his pilot's license in April 1999, but it expired six months later because he did not complete a required medical exam. He also was trained for a few months at a private school in Scottsdale, Ariz., in 1996, but did not finish the course because instructors felt he was not capable.
Hanjour had 600 hours listed in his log book, Bernard said, and instructors were surprised he was not able to fly better with the amount of experience he had." -Prince George's Journal (9/18/01)
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► Hijackers used brains, muscle and practice
"That plane, apparently piloted by Hanjour, began to jerk wildly in the air. There was perhaps a struggle with the pilots, but investigators believe it was more likely a result of Hanjour's poor skills -- his flying school teachers would later say he had been a sorry student." -St. Petersburg Times (11/01/02)
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"Before they were hijackers, they were suburbanites.
They roomed together in a motel, worked out together at a gym, and one even visited an adult bookstore in the Washington suburbs in the weeks before smashing a plane into the Pentagon on Sept. 11. The hijacker believed to have steered American Airlines Flight 77 on its fatal path toward the Pentagon recently honed his rusty flying skills at a small Maryland airport, and more than a year ago sought training at a flight school in Arizona.
At Freeway Airport in Bowie, Md., 20 miles west of Washington, flight instructor Sheri Baxter instantly recognized the name of alleged hijacker Hani Hanjour when the FBI released a list of 19 suspects in the four hijackings. Hanjour, the only suspect on Flight 77 the FBI listed as a pilot, had come to the airport one month earlier seeking to rent a small plane.
However, when Baxter and fellow instructor Ben Conner took the slender, soft-spoken Hanjour on three test runs during the second week of August, they found he had trouble controlling and landing the single-engine Cessna 172. Even though Hanjour showed a federal pilot's license and a log book cataloging 600 hours of flying experience, chief flight instructor Marcel Bernard declined to rent him a plane without more lessons.
In the spring of 2000, Hanjour had asked to enroll in the CRM Airline Training Center in Scottsdale, Ariz., for advanced training, said the center's attorney, Gerald Chilton Jr. Hanjour had attended the school for three months in late 1996 and again in December 1997 but never finished coursework for a license to fly a single-engine aircraft, Chilton said.
When Hanjour reapplied to the center last year, "We declined to provide training to him because we didn't think he was a good enough student when he was there in 1996 and 1997," Chilton said.
The only thing that seemed odd about Hanjour, who paid the $400 flying bill in cash, was his address: a motel in Laurel.
At the Valencia Motel on a hardscrabble stretch of Route 1 in Laurel, long-term residents say they know each other well. The five men who stayed in Room 343, a two-room suite, in early September, were an exception, they said. The men drove an old four-door Toyota with California license plates and said nothing.
"They kept way to themselves," said Charmain Mungo, who lives in Room 342 and said she identified Hanjour and Majed Moqed, another suspected Flight 77 hijacker, from an FBI photo.
Moqed apparently visited a nearby adult video store three times between late-July and mid-August, said the store manager, who would not give his name but said he picked Moqed out "immediately" when the FBI showed him the surveillance photo among seven or eight other photos.
"He was extremely uncomfortable," said the manager, who recalled paying attention to Moqed because he wondered whether the man was studying the store for a possible robbery. Moqed visited three times, always between 10:30 p.m. and 1:30 a.m., the manager said, adding that he looked at magazines and movies but didn't buy anything." - Newsday (09/23/01)
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5) Hani Hanjour - [nationality unknown]
-Possible resident of Phoenix, Arizona, and San Diego, California
-Alias: Hani Saleh Hanjour; Hani Saleh; Hani Hanjour, Hani Saleh H. Hanjour
He was on American Airlines Flight 77, which left Washington, D.C., at 8:10 a.m. and crashed into the Pentagon at 9:39 a.m. Hanjour may have lived in Phoenix, Ariz., and San Diego, Calif. Federal Aviation Administration records show a Hani Hanjour as receiving a commercial pilot's license in 1999 and listing a post office box in Saudi Arabia as his address.
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1) Khalid al Mihdhar* - Possible Saudi national
*These two people have been used for Khalid Almihdhar.
-Possible resident of San Diego, California, and New York
-Alias: Sannan Al-Makki; Khalid Bin Muhammad; 'Addallah Al-Mihdhar; Khalid Mohammad Al-Saqaf
Al-Midhar may have lived in Los Angeles and New York. He had a B-1 Visa that covered business-related travel and was good for up to a year, and an expired B-2 Visa, a travel visa, good for up to a year.
Reported alive - "And there are suggestions that another suspect, Khalid Al Midhar, may also be alive." -BBC (09/23/01)
"But Saudis are closing ranks against the evidence in the U.S. attack, and their growing sense of denial has only been fueled by the early misidentification of several suspects.
While the FBI's confusion over Arabic names and identities was largely ignored in the American press, each blunder has made huge news in Saudi Arabia, casting doubt on U.S. intentions and convincing many Saudis that their country has been slandered.
"I want to think all this is a mistake," said a bewildered Khalid al-Mihammadi, 24, a computer programmer from Mecca who was named wrongfully in an early list of hijackers released by the U.S. Justice Department. "We are America's friends, and they do this to us. It isn't fair."
Al-Mihammadi, who spent nine months studying English in the U.S., said he was watching television at home when shaken friends saw his photograph on the news and began to call to see if he was still alive." -Chicago Tribune (10/04/01)
"The FBI said it was reviewing the information about those on board the flights and that "the possibility that some of the identities are in question is being actively pursued".
The confusion has added to the problems of investigators. They have discovered that one of the men arrested, Badr Mohammed Hamzi, a radiologist from San Antonio, Texas, regularly used the name Khalid Al-Midhar, who has been named as another of the hijackers." -Guardian (09/21/01)
"It's no secret the FBI let at least two 9-11 hijackers?Hazmi and Mihdhar?slip through its fingers when they landed in California in 2000 and proceeded to live openly under their own names in San Diego before moving into position for the attack. What makes the situation especially ludicrous is that one of these hijackers rented a room from a San Diego landlord who was an FBI informant on the Muslim community.
That's bad enough. But after 9-11, when the Joint Congressional Intelligence Committee found out what had been going on, the FBI refused to allow the informant to be interviewed by the committee staff or to testify." -Village Voice (06/14/05)
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2) Majed Moqed - Possible Saudi national
-Alias: Majed M.GH Moqed; Majed Moqed, Majed Mashaan Moqed
"Sept. 13, 2001. A ?Kingdom of Saudi Arabia Student Identity Card? was found in the rubble at the Pentagon with Moqed?s name on it. Forensic examination indicated that it may have been fraudulent." - Monograph on 9/11 and Terrorist Travel, Chp 2 - 9/11 Commission
"Authorities have alleged in court documents that he was one of a number of suspects who obtained a phony identity card in Virginia on Aug. 2 by falsely claiming to be a resident. Witnesses placed Moqed and other suspected hijackers in Maryland between Sept. 2 and 6, where they were seen working out at a gym in Greenbelt. Moqed also was seen in two stores in Maryland's Washington suburbs looking over adult videos and books, although employees say he made no purchases." -MSNBC
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3) Nawaf Alhazmi - Possible Saudi national
-Possible resident of Fort Lee, New Jersey; Wayne, New Jersey; San Diego, California
-Alias: Nawaf Al-Hazmi; Nawaf Al Hazmi; Nawaf M.S. Al Hazmi
"PE00102 - Partial ID card reading ALHAZMI from the Pentagon crash site" - uscourts.gov
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4) Salem Alhazmi - Possible Saudi national
-Possible resident of Fort Lee, New Jersey; Wayne, New Jersey
Reported alive - "FBI Director Robert Mueller acknowledged Thursday that investigators may not know the true identities of some of the 19 suspected airplane hijackers from last week's suicide attacks.
* Salem Alhamzi, a name used by one of the suspected hijackers on American Airlines Flight 77, the plane that crashed into the Pentagon.
A man with the same name works for the Saudi Royal Commission in the Saudi city of Yanbu." -LA Times (09/21/01)
"The FBI acknowledged yesterday that some of the terrorists involved in the attacks last week were using false identities, as it emerged that at least two men had been wrongly implicated.
After analysis of the passenger lists of the four hijacked flights and other immigration documents, investigators identified Salem Al-Hazmi and Abdulaziz Al-Omari as two of the terrorists.
The real Salem Al-Hazmi, however, is alive and indignant in Saudi Arabia, and not one of the people who perished in the American Airlines flight that crashed on the Pentagon. He works at a government-owned petroleum and chemical plant in the city of Yanbu.
He said yesterday he had not left Saudi Arabia for two years, but that his passport had been stolen by a pickpocket in Cairo three years ago.
Both men have offered to fly to the US to prove their innocence.
"The Salem Al-Hamzi we have is 26 years old and has never been to the United States," Gaafar Allagany told the Washington Post. "He has said he is willing to come to the United States if anyone wants to see him." -Guardian (09/21/01)
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See also "Tracking the 19 Hijackers" for more info about the 9/11 hijackers.
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FBI information sent to German police officials - obtained by the German magazine Der Spiegel and provided to The New York Times - revealed details about the hijackers.
Khalid Al-Midhar booked a reservation on the American Airlines Web site, using his frequent-flier number, which he established the day before, according to FBI documents. He paid cash for the ticket on Sept. 5 at BWI, the Times reported.
Majed Moqed ordered his ticket through the same frequent-flier number, also paying cash for his ticket at BWI, the newspaper said."
-Prince George's Journal (9/18/02)
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"Nawaf Alhazmi, believed to be from Saudi Arabia, is the other hijacker on the terrorist watch list before the attacks. A car registered to Alhazmi was found at Dulles International Airport the day after the attacks. It contained a cashier's check made out to a flight school in Phoenix; four drawings of the cockpit of a 757 jet; a box-cutter-type knife; and maps of Washington and New York. One map had a telephone number that led police to Mohamed Abdi, who is being held without bond in Alexandria, Virginia, as a material witness." -BBC (9/28/01)
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A more leisurely review of the tape released by the government last week came up with "a whole bunch of names," translator George Michael said Thursday in an interview with The Associated Press. He would identify only three: Nawaq Alhamzi, Salem Alhamzi and Wail Alshehri.
Alshehri was on American Airlines flight 11, one of the planes that hit the Twin Towers at the World Trade Center in New York; Alhamzi and Alhamzi were on American Airlines flight 77, which hit the Pentagon." -CBS (12/20/01)
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</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-width: 1px;" colspan="2" bgcolor="#ffcc00" height="24" width="100%">"For the two would-be suicide hijackers, the flying lessons didn't get off to a great start.
With their limited English, they seemed unable to follow instructions. Their knowledge of aviation was so sketchy that when asked to draw a plane, one man got the wings backward. And when one student attempted a landing in a single-engine Cessna, the other became frightened and began loudly praying to Allah.
Their instructor at a San Diego flight school flunked them, and later described the men as "Dumb and Dumber."
Then again, Khalid Almihdhar and Nawaf Alhazmi never needed to develop any skill in landing planes. They just needed to learn how to crash them into buildings - a goal they achieved Sept. 11 when American Airlines Flight 77 plowed into the Pentagon.
In fact, the FBI was looking for Almihdhar and Nawaf Alhazmi, who appeared to have spent most of the past two years together in the United States.
Investigators aren't even entirely sure that Almihdhar and Alhazmi are the men's real names - or that several people weren't using those names as aliases. They have used several spellings for both Almihdhar and Alhazmi since the attacks, and some newspapers and television stations briefly mixed up Almihdhar with Khalid al-Mihmadi, a Saudi exchange student who lived in Daytona Beach until last May.
Occasionally their paths crossed with Hanjour, who later joined them on Flight 77.
Almihdhar and Alhazmi also paid $3,000 cash for a 1988 Toyota Corolla, registering it under a false address but scrupulously following the law on emissions testing.
A day after the Sept. 11 attacks, the FBI towed a car matching the same description from Dulles International Airport in Washington. The car, registered to Nawaf Alhazmi, contained a list of instructions for the hijackers, telling them to "strike as the heroes would strike ... and then you will know all the heavens are decorated in the best way to meet you."
In Washington: The five Flight 77 suspects bought weeklong gym memberships in the Beltway area in August - much like their compatriots in south Palm Beach County. They got driver's licenses in Virginia using fake addresses, taking advantage of that state's lax laws on what proof of identity is required.
On Sept. 11, either Almihdhar or Hanjour may have piloted the hijacked jetliner into the Pentagon, according to investigators quoted in conflicting news accounts. Some accounts say Almihdhar was the one who gave the passengers a chilling message around 9:30 a.m.: Phone home, because you are all about to die.
The FBI has given no age for Almihdhar and Alhazmi but says they may be Saudi nationals. Alhazmi may have trained at camps Afghan camps tied to al-Qaeda, according to investigators quoted in news reports. The reports don't say when the training occurred.
The FBI began looking for both Almihdhar and Alhazmi Aug. 23. But the FBI office in San Diego, where the two had spent so much time the year before, didn't get the word until two days after the bombing.
Investigators say Almihdhar and Alhazmi first entered the United States through Los Angeles International Airport in late 1999 or early 2000. On immigration papers, they listed their intended address as a Sheraton hotel in LA.
Shaikh said he and the pair prayed together five times a day, but they shared little conversation because of the men's difficulties with English. They paid rent, although he offered to let them stay for free, and didn't express any hatred of the United States.
"They were nice, but not what you call extroverted people," Shaikh told the San Diego Union-Tribune.
The pair took a half-dozen flight classes at Sorbi's Flying Club nearby, but chief flight instructor Rick Garza has said their poor English skills disqualified them. Garza said Almihdhar and Alhazmi started out wanting to fly Boeing jet aircraft, but he steered them to Cessnas instead.
"I told the FBI they seemed like 'Dumb and Dumber,' " Garza told the Union-Tribune.
In August, the pair got state identification cards from the Virginia Department of Motor Vehicles in Springfield, southwest of Washington, D.C. So did the rest of the Flight 77 suspects, along with Abdulaziz Alomari and Ahmed Alghamdi, who rode separate planes that struck the World Trade Center, as well as Ziad Jarrah, whose hijacked flight crashed in Pennsylvania.
Federal investigators say Almihdhar and another Flight 77 suspect, Hanjour, drove to a northern Virginia convenience store and paid $100 to Luis Martinez-Flores, an illegal alien from El Salvador, to sign a document falsely certifying the men's address. They in turn signed documents allowing some of the other terrorists to get their licenses.
On Sept. 5, Almihdhar and Moqed bought their airline tickets with cash at Baltimore-Washington International Airport. They had booked the tickets on the American Airlines web site. Almihdhar used a Daytona Beach address and a frequent-flier number he had established the day before. Almihdhar had seat 12 B, Moqed the window seat beside him.
Despite their presence on the terrorist watch list, Almihdhar and Alhazmi raised no alarms when they arrived at Dulles before the scheduled 8:10 a.m. departure Sept. 11. They and their three cohorts entered through Gate D26.
Eight days after the planes went down, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. distributed a "special alert" to its member banks asking for information about 21 "alleged suspects" in the attacks. The list said "Al-Midhar, Khalid Alive," raising the possibility that the real Almihdhar never died on the plane. But one Justice Department official called the listing a "typo." -Cox News (10/21/01) [Reprinted at: Bill St. Clair's Home Page]
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</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-width: 1px;" colspan="2" bgcolor="#ffcc00" height="24" width="100%">"The terrorist believed to have flown a hijacked airliner into the Pentagon on Sept. 11, 2001, obtained a California driver's license without providing the required Social Security number for identification, officials are acknowledging for the first time.
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In this image from a surveillance video from Washington's Dulles Airport the morning of September 11, 2001, and obtained by the Associated Press, one hijacker out of the five hijackers that boarded American Airlines Flight 77 is being pulled aside to undergo additional scrutiny after setting off metal detectors but then permitted to board the fateful flight that later crashed into the Pentagon. Four out of the five hijackers who boarded Flight 77 were pulled aside to undergo additional scrutiny. (AP Photo/APTN)
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A photograph of a televised image shows a frame of a newly released surveillance video reportedly taken at Dulles International Airport showing two of the September 11 hijackers passing through a security checkpoint at the airport September 11, 2001 in Washington, DC. The video reportedly shows several of the reported hijackers setting off alarms at the metal detectors but being quickly cleared to board Los Angeles-bound American Airlines Flight 77.(AFP/Getty Images)
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This image made from surveillance video from Washington's Dulles Airport, obtained by the Associated Press, shows two of the five hijackers on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, man in blue shirt, left, and white shirt, right, leaving a security checkpoint before boarding American Airlines flight 77 that later crashed into the Pentagon. (AP Photo/APTN)
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Hijackers Nawaf al-Hazmi, wearing a blue shirt, and his brother, Salem al-Hazmi, in the white shirt, wait at the security checkpoint at Dulles International Airport in Chantilly, Va. on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, as a screener checks Nawaf's carry-on bag for explosives. This image was taken from surveillance video obtained by The Associated Press. Nawaf set off two metal detectors before another screener checked him manually with a handheld device. Both were permitted to board the plane, which hours later crashed into the Pentagon. (AP Photo/APTN)
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Hijacker Khalid al-Mihdhar, wearing the yellow shirt, foreground, is seen passing through the security checkpoint at Dulles International Airport in Chantilly, Va. Sept. 11, 2001, just hours before American Airlines Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon in this image taken from a surveillance video and obtained by the Associated Press. (AP Photo/APTN)
The surveillance video, obtained by The Associated Press, shows an airport screener hand-checking the carryon baggage of one hijacker, Nawaf al-Hazmi, for traces of explosives before letting him continue onto American Airlines Flight 77 with his brother, Salem, a fellow hijacker.
Details in the grainy video are difficult to distinguish. But an earlier report by the commission is consistent with the men's procession through airport security as shown on the video obtained by the AP.
No knives or other sharp objects are visible on the surveillance video. But investigators on the commission have said the hijackers at Dulles were believed to be carrying utility knives either personally or in their luggage, which at the time could legally be carried aboard planes.
The video shows hijackers Khalid al-Mihdhar and Majed Moqed, each dressed conservatively in slacks and collared shirts, setting off metal-detectors as they pass through security. Moqed set off a second alarm, and a screener manually checked him with a handheld metal detector.
The pair were known to travel together previously and had paid cash to purchase their tickets aboard Flight 77 on Sept. 5, 2001, at the American Airlines counter at Baltimore's airport.
Only Hani Hanjour, believed to have been the hijacker who piloted Flight 77, did not set off a metal detector as he passed through Dulles security that morning, according to the video.
The AP obtained the video from the Motley Rice law firm, which is representing some survivors' families who are suing the airlines and security industry over their actions in the Sept. 11 attacks." -ABC (07/21/04)
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</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-width: 1px;" colspan="2" bgcolor="#ffcc00" height="24" width="100%"> Why does the media identify two different people as Hani Hanjour in the Dulles security video?
Obviously the stocky man on the left dressed in all black is not Hanjour. The man in the right photo from an MSNBC clip looks more like the real Hanjour with his thin build and receding hairline although it has not been confirmed that this person is him. Oddly enough in the MSNBC article, notice they identify Hanjour with wearing the clothes that that gentleman in the left photo is wearing (short-sleeved shirt). Also, who is the gentleman in the left photo and why hasn't he complained to the media that they misidentified him as one of the alleged 9/11 hijackers? Finally, notice that these clips were taken from two different surveillance cameras and neither of them have timestamps.
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Hijacker Hani Hanjour, center foreground, believed to have piloted American Airlines Flight 77 when it crashed into the Pentagon on Sept. 11, 2001, is shown on surveillance video passing through the security checkpoint at Dulles International Airport Sept. 11, 2001 in this image taken from a surveillance video and obtained by the Associated Press. Hanjour sent two carry-on bags through the X-ray machine and passed through a metal detector without alarm. (AP Photo/APTN)
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Sept. 11 panel criticizes Dulles security screeners
"Only Hani Hanjour, believed to have been the hijacker who piloted Flight 77, passed through Dulles security that morning without being subjected to a secondary security check, according to the video.
Moments after Hanjour passed alone through the security checkpoint, wearing dark slacks and a short-sleeved shirt, the final two hijackers, the al-Hazmi brothers, both wearing slacks and Oxford shirts, walked through the checkpoint." - MSNBC (07/22/04) (Click photo for hi-res. Video clip taken from here.)
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</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-width: 1px;" colspan="2" bgcolor="#ffcc00" height="46" width="100%"> Notice the Government's preliminary estimate of the number of alleged hijackers on Flight 77 was only four, not five, and only four alleged hijackers are shown on the Dulles security video above...
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QUESTION: About the hijackers, were they ticketed passengers? If not, do you know how they got on the planes?
FBI DIRECTOR ROBERT MUELLER: Yes, they were ticketed passengers.
QUESTION: How many...are you looking at? How many hijackers and associates do you have?
ASHCROFT: Well, obviously, I've just announced that there are 18 hijackers
MUELLER: On the American Airlines, number 11, flight out of Boston, going to LA, there were five, we believe. Our preliminary investigation indicates that five of the passengers were involved in the hijacking on that plane. United Airlines 175, also out of Boston to LA, our preliminary investigation indicates that there were five hijackers on that plane.
On United Airlines 93, Newark to San Francisco, four hijackers. And American Airlines 77, Dulles to Los Angeles, four hijackers. That is our preliminary. The results of our preliminary investigation, the investigation is continuing. That is our best view at this time as to the numbers and the planes they were on.
QUESTION: Could you clarify for us, please, on what you've been able to verify and document concerning the flight path of the 77 into the Pentagon? Did it go over Washington, D.C., first?
MUELLER: I really can't comment on what we have with regard to that particular flight." -Global Security (9/14/01)
<hr> "The other two planes ? United Flight 93 from Newark, N.J., and American Airlines Flight 77 from Dulles International Airport, which hit the Pentagon ? were hijacked by four terrorists each, Mueller said.
Justice officials have said at least one hijacker on each plane received flight training in the United States." -Washington Post (09/14/01)
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</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-width: 1px;" colspan="2" bgcolor="#ffcc00" height="46" width="100%"> Notice the Government's preliminary estimate of the number of alleged hijackers on Flight 77 was only four, not five, and only four alleged hijackers are shown on the Dulles security video above...
</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-width: 1px;" colspan="2" height="19" width="100%"> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-width: 1px;" colspan="2" bgcolor="#ccffcc" height="72" width="100%"> "American Airlines has released the names of some of the people who died on its flights in the terror attacks on New York and Washington.
The airline has honoured the requests of those families who have asked that their loved ones' names not be included.
Additional names will be released as passengers' relatives are notified.
Flight 77, a Boeing 757 aircraft, was en route to Los Angeles from Washington Dulles.
Passengers on Flight 77 were: Paul Ambrose, Yemen Betru, M J Booth, Bernard Brown, Suzanne Calley, William Caswell, Sarah Clark, Asia Cotton, James Debeuneure, Rodney Dickens, Eddie Dillard, Charles Droz, Barbara Edwards, Charles Falkenberg, Zoe Falkenberg, Dana Falkenberg, James Ferguson, Budd Flagg, Dee Flagg, Richard Gabriel, Ian Gray, Stanley Hall, Bryan Jack, Steve Jacoby, Ann Judge, Chandler Keller, Yvonne Kennedy, Norma Khan, Karen Kincaid, Norma Langsteuerle, Dong Lee, Dora Menchaca, Chris Newton, Barbara Olson, Ruben Ornedo, Lisa Raines, Todd Reuben, John Sammartino, Diane Simmons, George Simmons, Mari Rae Sopper, Robert Speisman, Leonard Taylor, Sandra Teague, Leslie Whittington, John Yamnick, Vicki Yancey, Shuyin Yang, Yuguag Zheng.
Flight Crew for Flight 77 were: Captain Charles Burlingame, First Officer David Charlebois; Flight Attendants Michele Heidenberger, Jennifer Lewis, Kenneth Lewis, Renee May." - TCM Breaking News (9/12/01)
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A list of names on a piece of paper is not evidence, but an autopsy by a pathologist, is. I undertook by FOIA request, to obtain that autopsy list and you are invited to view it below. Guess what? Still no Arabs on the list. It is my opinion that the monsters who planned this crime made a mistake by not including Arabic names on the original list to make the ruse seem more believable." -Sierra Times (07/06/03)
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And yet it contains the largest mass of secrets in the world.
It is home to the National Security Agency (NSA), the least visible but most powerful spy agency in America's armoury.
The NSA's job is to eavesdrop on the world's phone calls and emails, but do not try to phone them.
The NSA website does not list a phone number. You do not contact them. They listen to you.
Though invisible on the map, 38,000 people work at the agency every day, more than the CIA and FBI put together - every one of them sworn to a lifetime of secrecy.
When Osama bin Laden first moved to Afghanistan, the NSA listened in to every phone call he made on his satellite phone.
In fact, one of the most bizarre ironies of all this is that five of the hijackers lived in a motel right outside the gates of the NSA.
Early on the morning of 11 September, when Hani Hanjour and his four accomplices left the Valencia Motel on US route 1 on their way to Washington's Dulles airport, they joined the stream of NSA employees heading to work.
Three hours later, they had turned flight 77 around and slammed it into the Pentagon." -BBC (6/08/02)
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"Nine of the hijackers who commandeered jetliners on Sept. 11 were selected for special security screenings that morning, including two who were singled out because of irregularities in their identification documents, U.S. officials said this week.
Six were chosen for extra scrutiny by a computerized screening system, prompting a sweep of their checked baggage for explosives or unauthorized weapons, authorities said. The ninth was listed on ticket documents as traveling with one of the hijackers with questionable identification.
Law enforcement and aviation officials declined to provide further details about the security screenings, including which of the hijackers were chosen and what flights they were on.
Authorities also said they could not say if any of the nine were interrogated in any way before being allowed to board their flights, or if screeners noticed the box-cutting knives used in the attacks. Such knives were allowed on airplanes before Sept. 11." -Washington Post (3/02/02)
<hr> FAA: Nine hijackers singled out for screenings
"Transportation authorities singled out nine of the 19 hijackers in the September 11 attacks for special security screenings before they boarded their flights that morning, a Federal Aviation Administration spokesman said Saturday.
Under the enhanced precautions, airport security screened the hijackers' checked bags for weapons and explosives -- a measure that was not mandated for most passengers last fall.
At the time of the attacks, the box-cutting knives the hijackers used to take control of the planes would have been allowed to be taken onto the aircraft.
According to the Washington Post, which first reported the story Saturday, a computerized screening system chose six of the hijackers for the tightened security measures.
Two others were selected because of irregularities in their identification documents, U.S. officials told the Post.
The ninth hijacker was listed in travel documents as traveling with one of the men singled out because of his identification, the Post reported.
Law enforcement and aviation officials refused to discuss other aspects of the screening, including which hijackers were selected, whether they were interrogated or whether the knives were discovered at security checkpoints, according to the Post." -CNN (3/02/02)
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</td> <td style="border-style: solid; border-width: 1px;" bgcolor="#ccffff" width="50%"> "His name [Hani Hanjour] was not on the American Airlines manifest for the flight because he may not have had a ticket." -Washington Post ("Four Planes, Four Coordinated Teams")
<hr> "American Airlines flight number 77. Cammid Al-Madar, and Mosear Caned (ph), Majar Mokhed (ph), Nawar Al Hazni (ph) and Salem Al Hazni (ph)." -CNN (09/14/01)
Aboard American Airlines Flight 77, which took off from Washington Dulles Airport for Los Angeles and crashed into the Pentagon.
Alhamzi, Nawaq ? Passenger No. 12
Almidhar, Khalid ? Passenger No. 20, Seat 12B
Alhamzi, Salem ? Passenger No. 13, Seat 5F
Moqed, Majed ? Passenger No. 19, Seat 12A
Hanjour, Hani
Aboard United Airlines Flight 93, which departed Newark, N.J., for San Francisco and crashed outside of Shanksville, Pa.:
Alghamdi, Saeed ? Passenger No. 2
Alhaznawi, Ahmed ? Passenger No. 3
Alnami, Ahmed ? Passenger No. 4
Jarrahi, Ziad ? Passenger No. 26
Aboard American Airlines Flight 11, which crashed into the North Tower of the World Trade Center after taking off from Boston's Logan International Airport en route for Los Angeles:
Alshehri, Wail ? Passenger No. 1, Seat 2A
Alshehri, Waleed ? Passenger No. 2, Seat 2B
Alomari, Abdulaziz ? Passenger No. 14, Seat 8G
Al Suqami, Satam ? Passenger No. 20, Seat 10B
Atta, Mohamed ? Seat 8D
Aboard United Airlines Flight 175, which left Boston for Los Angeles but crashed into the South Tower of the Word Trade Center:
Alghamdi, Ahmed ? Passenger No. 2
Alghamdi, Hamza ? Passenger No. 3
Al-Shehhi, Marwan ? Passenger No. 4
Alshehri, Mohald ? Passenger No. 5
Ahmed, Fayez ? Passenger No. 6
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Investigators have identified remains of 184 people who were aboard American Airlines Flight 77 or inside the Pentagon, including those of the five hijackers, but they say it is impossible to match what is left with the five missing people.
A team of more than 100 workers at a military morgue at Dover Air Force Base in Delaware used several methods to identify remains but primarily relied on DNA testing and dental records. They formally ended their effort Friday after concluding that some remains were too badly burned to identify.
The fifth unidentified victim was a passenger on the hijacked plane. A spokesman for the FBI declined to disclose the name of the victim.
All 64 people aboard the hijacked plane, including six crew members and the five hijackers, were also killed.
Military officials said they had been preparing families for some time for the possibility that there might not be any remains of some victims.
The remains of the five hijackers have been identified through a process of exclusion, as they did not match DNA samples contributed by family members of all 183 victims who died at the site.
The hijackers' remains will be turned over to the FBI and held as evidence, FBI spokesman Chris Murray said. After the investigation is concluded, the State Department will decide what is to be done with the remains." -Washington Post (11/21/01); -Arlington National Cemetary (11/21/01)
<hr> ► "Dover Air Force Base morticians have isolated the remains they think are the five hijackers in the Pentagon attack and will keep them as evidence for the FBI, a base spokesman said Friday.
Genetic information from the five does not match any DNA samples on file at the Pentagon or obtained from family members of the crash victims, he said.
Unlike those victims, the institute has no DNA samples from the hijackers' relatives to compare with DNA drawn from the remains. This has prohibited them from putting names to the remains.
The remains were flown to Dover from the crash scene in the days following the attack.
Maj. Jon Anderson said the hijackers' remains were identified through a process of elimination." -News Journal (12/15/2001)
<hr> ► "What some experts have called "the most comprehensive forensic investigation in U.S. history" ended Nov. 16 with the identification of 184 of the 189 who died in the terrorist attack on the Pentagon.
Many of the casualties were badly burned and difficult to identify, an official said. Of the 189 killed, 125 worked at the Pentagon and 64 were passengers on American Airlines Flight 77. Only one of those who died made it to the hospital. The rest were killed on site, and for some, only pieces of tissue could be found.
A board-certified epidemiologist managed the tracking system for data collected during the autopsy process, and tissue samples were collected for DNA identification and further toxicology studies.
Teams of forensic scientists, under the direction of Demris Lee, technical leader of the Nuclear DNA Section, took over the difficult chore of generating a DNA profile of the victims. Their work included not only the Pentagon crash victims, but the victims of the Somerset County crash as well." -DC Military (11/30/01)
<hr> ► "Unidentifiable remains of victims of the September 11, 2001, attack on the Pentagon will be buried in Arlington National Cemetery, the military said Friday.
The September 12, 2002, ceremony will hold special significance for families of five people whose remains have never been identified, said Colonel Jody Draves, a spokeswoman for the Military District of Washington, which oversees the cemetery.
The Pentagon attack killed 189 people: 125 in the Pentagon and 64 aboard American Airlines Flight 77. Remains of the five hijackers on the flight have been separated from those of the victims.
The five victims whose remains have not been identified include: Retired Army Colonel Ronald Golinski, a civilian Pentagon worker; Navy ET1 Ronald Henanway; Rhonda Rasmussen, a civilian worker for the Army; Jack T. Lynch, a civilian worker for the Navy; Dana Falkenberg, a passenger on Flight 77" -Arlington National Cemetery (08/16/02)
<hr> ► "Among the human remains painstakingly sorted from the Pentagon and Pennsylvania crash sites of Sept. 11 are those of nine of the hijackers.
The FBI has held them for months, and no one seems to know what should be done with them. It's a politically and emotionally charged question for the government, which eventually must decide how to dispose of some of the most despised men in American history.
In contrast, the remains of all 40 victims in the Pennsylvania crash and all but five of the 184 victims at the Pentagon site were identified months ago.
Little attention has been paid to the terrorists' remains found mingled with those of the Pennsylvania and Pentagon victims.
Four sets of remains in Pennsylvania and five at the Pentagon were grouped together as the hijackers - but not identified by name - through a process of elimination.
Families of the airplanes' passengers and crews and those who died within the Pentagon provided DNA samples, typically on toothbrushes or hairbrushes, to aid with identification. The remains that didn't match any of the samples were ruled to be the terrorists, said Chris Kelly, spokesman for the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, which did the DNA work. The nine sets of remains matched the number of hijackers believed to be on the two planes.
Without reference samples from the hijackers' personal effects or from their immediate families to compare with the recovered DNA, the remains could not be matched to individuals.
With the one-year anniversary approaching, State Department officials say they have received no requests for the remains. The department would be responsible for handling such a request from any government seeking the return of a citizen's body.
Officials have said that all but one of the nine hijackers recovered had connections to Saudi Arabia. The other was Lebanese.
Officials at the Saudi Embassy in Washington did not respond to requests for comment.
In more typical cases, foreign families also could contact local authorities. But the hijackers' remains are under the control of the FBI.
?To the best of my knowledge, there haven't been any friends or family members to try to claim the remains of these people,? said Jeff Killeen, spokesman for the FBI field office in Pittsburgh. ?They are in the custody of the FBI in Washington. They have not been released.? -CBS/AP (08/17/02)
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</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-width: 1px;" colspan="2" bgcolor="#ffcc00" height="68" width="100%"> Is it just a coincidence that the same medical examiners that identified the passenger's remains from Flight 77 were the same that helped identified the remains of the passengers of Flight 93, the other plane that left no trace of itself where it was said to have crashed?
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Personnel from the AFME [Armed Forces Medical Examiner] supported, including acting as team leader, the identification of remains from United Airlines Flight 93 that crashed in Somerset, PA. All but one of the passengers and crew were identified. Armed Forces DNA Identification Laboratory personnel were crucial in identifying victims." - Soldiers to the Rescue/Armed Forces Medical Examiner
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A Trainee Noted for Incompetence
"Although the authorities say none of the 19 hijackers on Sept. 11 were tied to an F.B.I. intelligence alert issued by an agent in Arizona two months earlier, one hijacker, Hani Hanjour, had come to the Federal Aviation Administration's attention earlier last year, when he trained in Phoenix.
Mr. Hanjour, who investigators contend piloted the airliner that crashed into the Pentagon, was reported to the aviation agency in February 2001 after instructors at his flight school in Phoenix had found his piloting skills so shoddy and his grasp of English so inadequate that they questioned whether his pilot's license was genuine.
Records show a Hani Hanjour obtained a license in 1999 in Scottsdale, Ariz. Previous and sometimes contradictory reports said he failed in 1996 and 1997 to obtain a license at other schools.
"The staff thought he was a very nice guy, but they didn't think his English was up to level," said Marilyn Ladner, a vice president at the Pan Am International Flight Academy, which operated the center in Phoenix. Ms. Ladner said that the F.A.A. examined Mr. Hanjour's credentials and found them legitimate and that an inspector, by coincidence, attended a class with Mr. Hanjour. The inspector also offered to find an interpreter to help Mr. Hanjour, she said.
"He ended up observing Hani in class," Ms. Ladner added, "though that was not his original reason for being there."
Company officials briefed members of Congress about the case, including Representative James L. Oberstar, Democrat of Minnesota, who made public some of its general details in December.
The aviation agency did not return a call for comment.
Pan Am International, one of the largest pilot schools in the nation, also operated the flight school in Eagan, Minn., near Minneapolis, where the instructors' suspicions led to the arrest of Zacarias Moussaoui, the man whom the authorities have said was intended to be the 20th hijacker.
Ms. Ladner said the Phoenix staff never suspected that Mr. Hanjour was a hijacker but feared that his skills were so weak that he could pose a safety hazard if he flew a commercial airliner.
"There was no suspicion as far as evildoing," Ms. Ladner said. "It was more of a very typical instructional concern that 'you really shouldn't be in the air.' "
A former employee of the school said that the staff initially made good-faith efforts to help Mr. Hanjour and that he received individual instruction for a few days. But he was a poor student. On one written problem that usually takes 20 minutes to complete, Mr. Hanjour took three hours, the former employee said, and he answered incorrectly.
Ultimately, administrators at the school told Mr. Hanjour that he would not qualify for the advanced certificate. But the ex-employee said Mr. Hanjour continued to pay to train on a simulator for Boeing 737 jets. "He didn't care about the fact that he couldn't get through the course," the ex-employee said.
Staff members characterized Mr. Hanjour as polite, meek and very quiet. But most of all, the former employee said, they considered him a very bad pilot.
"I'm still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon," the former employee said. "He could not fly at all." - NY Times (05/04/02)
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► FAA Was Alerted To Sept. 11 Hijacker
"Months before Hani Hanjour is believed to have flown an American Airlines jet into the Pentagon, managers at an Arizona flight school reported him at least five times to the FAA, reports CBS News Correspondent Vince Gonzales.
They reported him not because they feared he was a terrorist, but because his English and flying skills were so bad, they told the Associated Press, they didn't think he should keep his pilot's license.
"I couldn't believe he had a commercial license of any kind with the skills that he had," said Peggy Chevrette, the manager for the now-defunct JetTech flight school in Phoenix.
Reacting to the alert in January 2001, an FAA inspector checked to ensure Hanjour's 1999 license was legitimate and even sat next to him in one of the Arizona classes.
But he didn't tell the FBI or take action to rescind Hanjour's license, FAA officials said.
"There was nothing about the pilot's actions to signal criminal intent at the time or that would have caused us to alert law enforcement," FAA spokeswoman Laura Brown said.
But one official said the inspector, John Anthony, did not suggest a translator and "did not observe any serious issue" with Hanjour's English, even though University of Arizona records show he failed his English classes with a 0.26 grade point average. Other Arizona flight schools he attended also questioned his abilities.
"He didn't do his homework, didn't attend on time and he would sort of come and go," said Duncan Hastie of Cockpit Resource Management.
Marilyn Ladner, the vice president of Pan Am Flight Academy in Miami ? the company that owned JetTech before it closed in the aftermath of Sept. 11 ? told CBS News, "We did everything we were supposed to do," in reporting Hanjour.
Hanjour attended flight schools with two other Pentagon hijackers. And in July last year, an Arizona FBI agent alerted Washington that a large number of Middle Eastern men were taking flying lessons, but he was ignored.
Attorney General John Ashcroft said Friday he didn't know there had been a red flag raised about Hanjour. "I'd be pleased to include information like this in our investigation, but it's not something with which I'm familiar."
Chevrette said Hanjour's English was so poor that it took him five hours to complete a section of a mock pilot's oral exam that is supposed to last just a couple of hours.
Chevrette said she contacted Anthony again when Hanjour began ground training for Boeing 737 jetliners and it became clear he didn't have the skills for the commercial pilot's license.
"I don't truly believe he should have had it and I questioned that," she said.
FBI agents have questioned and administered a lie detector test to one of Hanjour's instructors in Arizona who was an Arab American and had signed off on Hanjour's flight instruction credentials before he got his pilot's license.
That instructor said he told agents that Hanjour was "a very average pilot, maybe struggling a little bit." The instructor added, "Maybe his English wasn't very good." -CBS News (5/10/02)
<hr> "Marcel Bernard, the chief flight instructor at the airport, said a man named Hani Hanjour went into the air in a Cessna 172 with instructors from the airport three times beginning the second week of August and had hoped to rent a plane from the airport.
According to published reports, law enforcement sources say Hanjour, in his mid-twenties, is suspected of crashing American Airlines Flight 77 into the Pentagon.
Hanjour had his pilot's license, said Bernard, but needed what is called a ``check-out" done by the airport to gauge a pilot's skills before he or she is able to rent a plane at Freeway Airport, which runs parallel with Route 50.
Instructors at the school told Bernard that after three times in the air, they still felt he was unable to fly solo and that Hanjour seemed disappointed.
Published reports said Hanjour obtained his pilot's license in April 1999, but it expired six months later because he did not complete a required medical exam. He also was trained for a few months at a private school in Scottsdale, Ariz., in 1996, but did not finish the course because instructors felt he was not capable.
Hanjour had 600 hours listed in his log book, Bernard said, and instructors were surprised he was not able to fly better with the amount of experience he had." -Prince George's Journal (9/18/01)
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Hanjour an unlikely terrorist
"Of the four men believed to have been the pilots in the hijacking conspiracy that claimed nearly 5,000 lives, Hani Hanjour stands out as the most unlikely - certainly, the most enigmatic - terrorist. Even as he pursued the flight training he would need for his final act, instructors found him withdrawn, slow to pick up a feel for the cockpit.
Even today, his family cannot fathom his alleged role in the plot. "We are in shock," his eldest brother, Abulrahman Hanjour, said. "We thought that he liked the USA. ... I would think he would give his life to save lives, not to do this."
Barely over 5 feet tall, skinny and boyish, Hanjour displayed a temperament and actions that were out of sync with those of his fellow pilots in several ways. He was the only alleged pilot who does not appear to have been part of an al-Qaida cell in Europe.
Over five years, Hanjour hopscotched among flight schools and airplane rental companies, but his instructors regarded him as a poor student, even in the weeks before the attacks.
Federal Aviation Administration records show he obtained a commercial pilot's license in April 1999, but how and where he did so remains a lingering question that FAA officials refuse to discuss. His limited flying abilities do afford an insight into one feature of the attacks: The conspiracy apparently did not include a surplus of skilled pilots.
"He had only the barest understanding what the instruments were there to do."
Hanjour's precise path from family farm to terrorist plot remains obscured.
Susan Khalil remembers him as socially inept, with poor English and "really bad hygiene. I had to have my husband get after him about bathing and changing his clothes." Khalil noticed a greenish film on Hanjour's teeth after a few weeks; he had been too timid to ask for a toothbrush.
During three months of instruction in late 1996, Duncan K.M. Hastie, CRM's owner, found Hanjour a "weak student" who "was wasting our resources."
"The impression I got is he came and, like a lot of guys, got overwhelmed with the instruments." He used the simulator perhaps three or four more times, Fults said, then "disappeared like a fog."
Instructors once again questioned his competence. After three sessions in a single-engine plane, the school decided Hanjour was not ready to rent a plane by himself." - Cape Cod Times (10/12/02)
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Hanjour a Study in Paradox
Suspect's Brother: 'We Thought He Liked the USA'
"Of the four men believed to have been the pilots in the hijacking conspiracy that claimed nearly 5,000 lives, Hani Hanjour stands out as the most unlikely -- certainly, the most enigmatic -- terrorist.
He was so unambitious that, as a teenager in Saudi Arabia, he thought of dropping out of high school to become a flight attendant. Short and slight, he was so shy that, as a houseguest of family friends in Florida, he would not confess that he had forgotten a toothbrush. Even as he pursued the flight training he would need for his final act, instructors found him withdrawn, slow to pick up a feel for the cockpit.
Hanjour, 29, shared the piety of Islamic extremists. The most religious among seven children, he prayed and attended mosque regularly at home and in the United States. But his seemed an inward devotion, not an overtly political zeal.
Even today, his family cannot fathom his alleged role in the plot. They recognized his photograph as the person who investigators say crashed American Airlines Flight 77 into the Pentagon on Sept. 11.
"We are in shock," his eldest brother, Abulrahman Hanjour, said in a recent telephone interview from Saudi Arabia. "We thought that he liked the USA. . . . I would think he would give his life to save lives, not to do this."
A month after the attacks, only one of the 19 suspected hijackers has come into focus. Mohamed Atta, most likely the leader of the plot, is clearly etched in the public mind as an intense, arrogant man who became an Islamic radical while a university student in Germany.
Now, an image of Hani Hanjour is emerging as well, from public records and interviews with his brother and people who encountered him in the United States over more than a decade.
Hanjour's meek, introverted manner fits a recurrent pattern in the al Qaeda network of unsophisticated young men being recruited as helpers in terrorist attacks. FBI agents have told people they have interviewed about Hanjour that he "fit the personality to be manipulated and brainwashed."
Yet on the morning of Sept. 11, investigators have said, Hanjour was not one of the foot soldiers brought into the conspiracy merely to cow passengers in the cabin of the Boeing 757 as it streaked from Dulles International Airport toward Washington and the Pentagon.
He was in the cockpit.
Barely over 5 feet tall, skinny and boyish, Hanjour displayed a temperament and actions that were out of sync with those of his fellow pilots in several ways. Hanjour first arrived in the United States years before the others, and was one of just two suspected hijackers who held a student visa. He was the only alleged pilot who does not appear to have been part of an al Qaeda cell in Europe.
And while the three other suspected pilots -- Atta, Marwan Al-Shehhi and Ziad Jarrah -- had lived together in Hamburg, Germany, it remains unclear when and where Hanjour was folded into the plot.
In comparison to the more brazen Atta, who appears ubiquitous in the conspiracy, Hanjour casts a pale figure. For about a year in the late 1990s, Jose Salazar lived next door to the house Hanjour rented with a few other Middle Eastern men in Scottsdale, Ariz. Salazar remembers his neighbor as utterly unfriendly. One day, Salazar tossed a ball with his brother-in-law that rolled straight into Hanjour's path as he walked into his house. Hanjour did not even look up.
Over five years, Hanjour hopscotched among flight schools and airplane rental companies, but his instructors regarded him as a poor student, even in the weeks before the attacks.
Federal Aviation Administration records show he obtained a commercial pilot's license in April 1999, but how and where he did so remains a lingering question that FAA officials refuse to discuss. His limited flying abilities do afford an insight into one feature of the attacks: The conspiracy apparently did not include a surplus of skilled pilots.
Wes Fults, the former manager of the flight simulator at Sawyer School of Aviation in Phoenix, gave Hanjour a one-hour orientation lesson when he arrived as a new member of the school's "sim club" in 1998. "Mr. Hanjour was, if not dour, to some degree furtive. He never looked happy," Fults recalled. "He had only the barest understanding what the instruments were there to do."
Hanjour grew up in Taif, a popular resort city of 400,000 in a mountainous Saudi region. His father worked in a food-supply business. The middle child of seven, Hanjour was quiet, an average student with modest goals.
In an interview from Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, Abulrahman Hanjour recalled worrying about his brother's desire to become a flight attendant without a high school degree. He persuaded him to aim higher.
More religious than anyone else in the family, Hani Hanjour regularly visited the mosque near his family's home. But if he was involved in radical groups -- at home, in the United States or anywhere else -- no one in the family knew of it, his brother said.
It was Abulrahman Hanjour, 11 years older and far more worldly, who in 1990 gave Hanjour his first experience of America. Traveling frequently to the United States as part of his business exporting used American cars to Saudi Arabia, Abulrahman had stayed a few years earlier in Tucson, where some of his Saudi friends were University of Arizona students.
He signed up his younger brother for an eight-week English course at the university, and rented him a room nearby, taking care to choose a place near a mosque.
Hanjour's first stay in the United States was brief. After three months in Arizona, his brother said, he went home. For the next five years, he managed his family's lemon and date farm near Taif. He sometimes did common labor, at times filling water into irrigation tanks.
He did not, his brother believes, travel abroad during that period. He worked on what had been his grandfather's farm during the day and slept at his parents' house at night.
Hanjour's precise path from family farm to terrorist plot remains obscured. But by early 1996, he somehow had developed a desire to learn to fly in the United States.
It was a period when other members of the al Qaeda network were becoming pilots. Two years earlier, the Armed Islamic Group, which would fuse with al Qaeda, hijacked an Air France plane in Algeria with the intention of crashing it into the Eiffel Tower. They were stopped by French special forces at the Marseilles airport.
For his second trip to the United States, Hanjour's path was, once again, prepared by his brother. Abulrahman Hanjour placed a call from Saudi Arabia to Miramar, Fla., to ask a couple he had known from Tucson whether they would be willing to put him up.
Hani Hanjour stayed with Susan and Adnan Khalil for about a month during the spring of 1996 before beginning a series of unsuccessful stints at flight schools out west. Susan Khalil remembers him as socially inept, with poor English and "really bad hygiene. I had to have my husband get after him about bathing and changing his clothes." Khalil noticed a greenish film on Hanjour's teeth after a few weeks; he had been too timid to ask for a toothbrush.
He prayed frequently, at their home and at a nearby mosque. Susan Khalil was struck by how different he was from his older brother, who liked parties and drinking.
Hanjour moved from Florida to northern California, where he lived from late April to early September, said Andrew Black, a spokesman for the FBI's San Francisco office. For most of that time, he studied in an intensive English program at the ELS Language Centers on the campus of Holy Names College in Oakland, said Mike Palm, a spokesman for the school.
The school arranged for Hanjour to live with a host family. FBI officials who have interviewed that family and others who knew Hanjour in Oakland say he is remembered as a "quiet, introverted individual."
While in Oakland, he enrolled at the Sierra Academy of Aeronautics. He attended a 30-minute class on Sept. 8 and never came back. Dan Shaffer, the academy's vice president for flight operations, speculated that Hanjour was intimidated by the school's two-year training regimen and $35,000 price tag.
The next month, he turned up in Arizona, a magnet for aspiring pilots because of its clear weather and relatively affordable flight schools. Hanjour paid $3,800 by check and $1,000 in cash for lessons at CRM Flight Cockpit Resource Management in Scottsdale.
During three months of instruction in late 1996, Duncan K. M. Hastie, CRM's owner, found Hanjour a "weak student" who "was wasting our resources." Hanjour left, then returned in December 1997 -- a year later -- and stayed only a few weeks.
Over the next three years, Hanjour called Hastie about twice a year, asking to come back for more instruction.
"I would recognize his voice," Hastie said. "He was always talking about wanting more training. Yes, he wanted to be an airline pilot. That was his stated goal. That's why I didn't allow him to come back. I thought, 'You're never going to make it.' "
The last time Hanjour called, sometime last year, he was asking to train on a Boeing 757, the kind of aircraft he is believed to have crashed into the Pentagon.
Rebuffed by Hastie, Hanjour went elsewhere. In 1998, he joined the simulator club at Sawyer, a small Phoenix school known locally as a flight school of last resort. "It was a commonly held truth that, if you failed anywhere else, go to Sawyer Aviation. They had good instructors," said Fults, the former simulator manager there.
Sawyer's simulator is in a closet-sized room that students and pilots alike use to practice the basics of instrument flight. Fults remembers Hanjour as "a neophyte. . . . The impression I got is he came and, like a lot of guys, got overwhelmed with the instruments." He used the simulator perhaps three or four more times, Fults said, then "disappeared like a fog."
As he had been at CRM, Hanjour was alone as he trained that year at Sawyer. But in a sequence of events that is intriguing in retrospect, Hanjour missed by less than a month another Middle Eastern man who joined Sawyer's simulator club. Lotfi Raissi never mentioned Hanjour, Fults said. Raissi often came in with three or four Arabic men, who crammed into the simulator and seemed to be his prot?g?s. Fults, who left Sawyer early last year, is unsure who the men were, but says Hanjour was not one of them.
Today, Raissi is being held in London on a U.S. extradition warrant, accused of training Hanjour and three other hijackers. British prosecutors have said that Raissi and Hanjour attended the same flight schools and that a computer seized in Raissi's apartment in England contained a video clip of the two men. During the past two summers, they were together at the Sawyer simulator, according to various employees who worked there after Fults had left.
Hanjour's training at CRM also overlapped with that of another man who investigators are looking at closely: Faisal M. Al Salmi. A federal indictment unsealed Friday in Arizona alleges that Al Salmi spoke with Hanjour several times and subsequently lied to investigators. But the indictment does not accuse Al Salmi of a role in the plot.
That plot was in high gear by the second week of August, when Hanjour arrived in the Washington area for what appears to have been his final preparation -- this time, at Freeway Airport in Bowie. Instructors once again questioned his competence. After three sessions in a single-engine plane, the school decided Hanjour was not ready to rent a plane by himself.
Exactly how much time Hanjour spent in the United States between 1996 and this year remains hazy.
Unlike Atta, who is remembered vividly by many who encountered him for his boorishness -- his haggling over prices, his sullen attitude toward women -- Hanjour left a faint impression.
His known activity was mundane: He rented several cars in New Jersey starting last July, visited Las Vegas at least once over the summer while other conspirators may have been there and bought a week's gym membership in Greenbelt with the four other suspected terrorists who would board the Dulles flight less than two weeks later.
For at least part of last year, Hanjour appears to have been in Saudi Arabia, because it was there that he obtained a student visa to take another English course. He applied in September 2000 for another four-week course at the same Oakland language school he attended four years earlier.
He did not show up, and the school contacted its representative in Saudi Arabia who had handled his application, according to Palm, the school spokesman. Palm said the Saudi person did not know Hanjour's intention, and the school decided he was among the 10 percent of its students who fail to appear.
INS documents say that Hanjour entered the United States last December, a month after the class began.
According to his brother, Hanjour was last in touch with his family early last spring. He told his mother he was calling from a pay phone in the United Arab Emirates, where his family believed he had gone in 1999 to find a pilot's job.
That phone call appears to have been placed about the same time that Hanjour was in Paterson, N.J., shopping for an apartment with a younger man who would, months later, allegedly board the plane with Hanjour and force it into the Pentagon.
During that final conversation, Hanjour told his family he would telephone again when he had his own phone number. He might, he said, come home for a visit in about a month. But the man who so often seemed to fade in and out once again didn't appear." -Washington Post (10/15/01)
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Did Flight 77 really crash into the Pentagon?
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intro ? official claim ? timeline ? undamaged lawn ? generator oddity ? building damage ? inside damage ? suspicious debris ? crash videos
alleged hijackers ? unusual passengers ? pentagon fatalities ? conflicting witnesses ? debunking sites ? theories ? performance report ? links
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The alleged hijackers...
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Could Hani Hanjour really have flown a Boeing 757 and was he even on the plane?
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Fighter pilot ace...
"The unidentified pilot executed a pivot so tight that it reminded observers of a fighter jet maneuver." -Washington Post "The hijacker-pilots were then forced to execute a difficult high-speed descending turn. Radar shows Flight 77 did a down-ward spiral, turning almost a complete circle and dropping the last 7,000 feet in two-and-a-half minutes." -CBS
"...all of us experienced air traffic controllers, that that was a military plane...You don't fly a 757 in that manner. It's unsafe...This must be a fighter." -ABC
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...or clueless pilot?
"...his flying skills were so bad...they didn't think he should keep his pilot's license. 'I couldn't believe he had a commercial license of any kind with the skills that he had.'" -CBS News
"...during the second week of August, they found he had trouble controlling and landingthe single-engine Cessna 172. Even though Hanjour showed a federal pilot's license ... chief flight instructor...declined to rent him a plane..." -Newsday
"I'm still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon...He could not fly at all." -New York Times
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"His name was not on the American Airlines manifest for the flight because he may not have had a ticket."
"Hanjour, the only suspect on Flight 77 the FBI listed as a pilot." -NewsDay (09/23/01)
Two alleged Flight 77 hijackers reported alive!
</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-width: 1px;" colspan="2" bgcolor="#ccffcc" height="19" width="100%"> ► "Barely over 5 feet tall, skinny and boyish, Hanjour displayed a temperament and actions that were out of sync with those of his fellow pilots in several ways. He was the only alleged pilot who does not appear to have been part of an al-Qaida cell in Europe." -Cape Cod Times (10/21/01)<hr> ► Hani Hanjour, pilot and group leader
Age: 29.
Nationality: Saudi.
"Hanjour led the terrorist group based in San Diego. His only Florida contact came in 1996 when he stayed with friends of his brother in Miramar. In the weeks before Sept. 11, he met twice with Mohamed Atta in Las Vegas. The FBI now believes those sessions at a discount motel were crucial in planning the attacks. Hanjour took flying lessons in Scottsdale, Ariz., where his instructors said his skills were poor. Investigators say that could be the reason Flight 77, with Hanjour at the controls, began to jerk." - St. Petersburg Times ('02)
<hr> ► "School officials confirmed that Hanjour received three months of instruction during 1996 and 1997 and had put down a deposit for additional training in 1997, but did not attend those classes."
"The Federal Aviation Administration's directory shows that Hanjour was licensed as a commercial pilot for single-engine aircraft in Taife, Saudi Arabia. CRM provides instruction in larger commercial jets, training that could have been used by a terrorist to guide a Boeing 757 on a kamikaze attack."
"The bureau identified Hanjour as the only pilot among the five suspects aboard American Airlines Flight 77..."
"Although Hanjour left a paper trail from Phoenix to Tucson to Florida to the Middle East, his life seems to have been ghostly. No close friends or acquaintances have surfaced, and Valley Muslim leaders said they have never heard of him." -The Arizona Republic
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Aukai Collins, the informant, said he worked for the FBI for four years in Phoenix, monitoring the Arab and Islamic communities there. Hani Hanjour was the hijacker Collins claimed to have told the FBI about while Hanjour was in flight training in Phoenix.
Twenty hours after ABCNEWS first requested a response, the FBI issued an "emphatic denial" that Collins had told the agency anything about Hanjour, though FBI sources acknowledged that Collins had worked for them.
Collins said the FBI knew Hanjour lived in Phoenix, knew his exact address, his phone number and even what car he drove. "They knew everything about the guy," said Collins.
Once in Phoenix, in 1996, the FBI asked Collins to focus on a group of young Arab men, many of whom were taking flying lessons, including Hanjour, Collins said.
"They drank alcohol, messed around with girls and stuff like that," Collins told ABCNEWS. "They all lived in an apartment together, Hani and the others."
The FBI in Phoenix either failed to monitor Hanjour's communications or Hanjour himself practiced extraordinary skill in hiding his intentions ? because the FBI never regarded him as a threat.
"I can't figure it out either," said Collins, "how they went from their back yard to flying airplanes into buildings."
Congress cannot figure it out either, as it continues to demand answers from the FBI." -ABC (5/24/02)
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► "QUESTION: What can you tell us about flight training that any of the hijackers had received? Did they receive any training here in the United States?
ASHCROFT: It is our belief and the evidence indicates that flight training was received in the United States and that their capacity to operate the aircraft was substantial.
It's very clear that these orchestrated coordinated assaults on our country were well-conducted and conducted in a technically proficient way. It is not that easy to land these kinds of aircraft at very specific locations with accuracy or to direct them with the kind of accuracy, which was deadly in this case." - Global Security (9/14/01)
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"My first reaction was horrible, how the terrorists can do that, they could not do it alone; a jumbo jet cannot be handled by a lonely suicide bomber-like kamikaze." - Soldiers to the Rescue/Responding in the Pentagon [HTML]
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How experts and officials described the way Flight 77 was flown into the Pentagon...
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► On Flight 77: 'Our Plane Is Being Hijacked'"But just as the plane seemed to be on a suicide mission into the White House, the unidentified pilot executed a pivot so tight that it reminded observers of a fighter jet maneuver."
"Aviation sources said the plane was flown with extraordinary skill, making it highly likely that a trained pilot was at the helm, possibly one of the hijackers." -Washington Post (9/12/01)
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► ?Get These Planes on the Ground?, Air Traffic Controllers Recall Sept. 11
"The speed, the maneuverability, the way that he turned, we all thought in the radar room, all of us experienced air traffic controllers, that that was a military plane," says O'Brien. "You don't fly a 757 in that manner. It's unsafe."
"And it went six, five, four. And I had it in my mouth to say, three, and all of a sudden the plane turned away. In the room, it was almost a sense of relief. This must be a fighter. This must be one of our guys sent in, scrambled to patrol our capital, and to protect our president, and we sat back in our chairs and breathed for just a second," says O'Brien.
But the plane continued to turn right until it had made a 360-degree maneuver." - ABC (10/24/01) [Wayback Machine]
(Photo source: Venik's Aviation)
<hr> ► "Q: How could terrorists fly these? Were they trained?
A: Whoever flew at least three of the death planes seemed very skilled. Investigators are impressed that they were schooled enough to turn off flight transponders -- which provide tower control with flight ID, altitude and location. Investigators are particularly impressed with the pilot who slammed into the Pentagon and, just before impact, performed a tightly banked 270-degree turn at low altitude with almost military precision." -Detroit News (9/13/01)
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► Primary Target"New radar evidence obtained by CBS News strongly suggests that the hijacked jetliner which crashed into the Pentagon hit its intended target."
"But the jet, flying at more than 400 mph, was too fast and too high when it neared the Pentagon at 9:35. The hijacker-pilots were then forced to execute a difficult high-speed descending turn."
"Radar shows Flight 77 did a downward spiral, turning almost a complete circle and dropping the last 7,000 feet in two-and-a-half minutes."
"The steep turn was so smooth, the sources say, it's clear there was no fight for control going on. And the complex maneuver suggests the hijackers had better flying skills than many investigators first believed." -CBS (9/21/01)
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► Three-star general may be among Pentagon dead
"There wasn't anything in the air, except for one airplane, and it looked like it was loitering over Georgetown, in a high, left-hand bank," he said. "That may have been the plane. I have never seen one on that (flight) pattern." -CNN (9/13/01)
(AA 77 flight path. Click map for hi-res. Source: gwu.edu)
<hr> ► Hijackers 'knew what they were doing'
"To pull off the coordinated aerial attack on the World Trade Center and Pentagon on Tuesday, the hijackers must have been extremely knowledgeable and capable aviators, a flight expert said.
By seizing four planes, diverting them from scheduled flight paths and managing to crash two into the twin towers of the World Trade Center and a third into the Pentagon, they must have had plenty of skill and training.
It was not known how the hijackers slipped through airport security checkpoints with their weapons.
There are no indications that any of the airline crews activated a four-digit code alerting ground controllers that a hijacking was in progress." -CNN (9/12/01)
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► "I was convinced it was a missile. It came in so fast it sounded nothing like an airplane," said Lou Rains -Space News► "It just was amazingly precise," Daryl Donley, another commuter, said of the plane's impact. "It completely disappeared into the Pentagon." -News Journal (9/12/01)
► ''The plane came in at an incredibly steep angle with incredibly high speed,'' said Rick Renzi. -Pittsburg 11 News (Photo source: The Boeing Company)
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How Hani Hanjour's flight instructors described his piloting abilities...
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Ms. Ladner said the Phoenix staff never suspected that Mr. Hanjour was a hijacker but feared that his skills were so weak that he could pose a safety hazard if he flew a commercial airliner.
Staff members characterized Mr. Hanjour as polite, meek and very quiet. But most of all, the former employee said, they considered him a very bad pilot.
"I'm still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon," the former employee said. "He could not fly at all." -New York Times (5/04/02)
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► FAA Was Alerted To Sept. 11 Hijacker
"Months before Hani Hanjour is believed to have flown an American Airlines jet into the Pentagon, managers at an Arizona flight school reported him at least five times to the FAA.
They reported him not because they feared he was a terrorist, but because his English and flying skills were so bad...they didn't think he should keep his pilot's license.
"I couldn't believe he had a commercial license of any kind with the skills that he had." Peggy Chevrette, Arizona flight school manager." -CBS News (5/10/02)
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► Tracing Trail Of Hijackers
"The hijacker believed to have steered American Airlines Flight 77 on its fatal path toward the Pentagon recently honed his rusty flying skills at a small Maryland airport, and more than a year ago sought training at a flight school in Arizona.
At Freeway Airport in Bowie, Md., 20 miles west of Washington, flight instructor Sheri Baxter instantly recognized the name of alleged hijacker Hani Hanjour when the FBI released a list of 19 suspects in the four hijackings. Hanjour, the only suspect on Flight 77 the FBI listed as a pilot, had come to the airport one month earlier seeking to rent a small plane.
However, when Baxter and fellow instructor Ben Conner took the slender, soft-spoken Hanjour on three test runs during the second week of August, they found he had trouble controlling and landing the single-engine Cessna 172. Even though Hanjour showed a federal pilot's license and a log book cataloging 600 hours of flying experience, chief flight instructor Marcel Bernard declined to rent him a plane without more lessons.
In the spring of 2000, Hanjour had asked to enroll in the CRM Airline Training Center in Scottsdale, Ariz., for advanced training, said the center's attorney, Gerald Chilton Jr. Hanjour had attended the school for three months in late 1996 and again in December 1997 but never finished coursework for a license to fly a single-engine aircraft, Chilton said.
When Hanjour reapplied to the center last year, "We declined to provide training to him because we didn't think he was a good enough student when he was there in 1996 and 1997," Chilton said." - Newsday (09/23/01)
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► Hanjour an unlikely terrorist"Even as he pursued the flight training he would need for his final act, instructors found him withdrawn, slow to pick up a feel for the cockpit.
Over five years, Hanjour hopscotched among flight schools and airplane rental companies, but his instructors regarded him as a poor student, even in the weeks before the attacks.
Federal Aviation Administration records show he obtained a commercial pilot's license in April 1999, but how and where he did so remains a lingering question that FAA officials refuse to discuss. His limited flying abilities do afford an insight into one feature of the attacks: The conspiracy apparently did not include a surplus of skilled pilots.
"He had only the barest understanding what the instruments were there to do."
During three months of instruction in late 1996, Duncan K.M. Hastie, CRM's owner, found Hanjour a "weak student" who "was wasting our resources."
"The impression I got is he came and, like a lot of guys, got overwhelmed with the instruments." He used the simulator perhaps three or four more times, Fults said, then "disappeared like a fog."
Instructors once again questioned his competence. After three sessions in a single-engine plane, the school decided Hanjour was not ready to rent a plane by himself." - Cape Cod Times (10/12/02)
(Photo source: Airliners.net | Airplanes - Aviation - Aircraft - Aircraft Photos & News)
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► Terror warnings: Who knew what when?
"Instructors at a flying school in Phoenix, Arizona express concern to Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) officials about the poor English and limited flying skills of one of their students, Hani Hanjour.
They believe his pilot's license may be fraudulent.
The FAA finds it is genuine - but school administrators tell Mr. Hanjour he will not qualify for an advanced certificate." -BBC (5/17/02)
<hr> ► "Instructors at the school told Bernard that after three times in the air, they still felt he was unable to fly solo and that Hanjour seemed disappointed.
Published reports said Hanjour obtained his pilot's license in April 1999, but it expired six months later because he did not complete a required medical exam. He also was trained for a few months at a private school in Scottsdale, Ariz., in 1996, but did not finish the course because instructors felt he was not capable.
Hanjour had 600 hours listed in his log book, Bernard said, and instructors were surprised he was not able to fly better with the amount of experience he had." -Prince George's Journal (9/18/01)
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► Hijackers used brains, muscle and practice
"That plane, apparently piloted by Hanjour, began to jerk wildly in the air. There was perhaps a struggle with the pilots, but investigators believe it was more likely a result of Hanjour's poor skills -- his flying school teachers would later say he had been a sorry student." -St. Petersburg Times (11/01/02)
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"Before they were hijackers, they were suburbanites.
They roomed together in a motel, worked out together at a gym, and one even visited an adult bookstore in the Washington suburbs in the weeks before smashing a plane into the Pentagon on Sept. 11. The hijacker believed to have steered American Airlines Flight 77 on its fatal path toward the Pentagon recently honed his rusty flying skills at a small Maryland airport, and more than a year ago sought training at a flight school in Arizona.
At Freeway Airport in Bowie, Md., 20 miles west of Washington, flight instructor Sheri Baxter instantly recognized the name of alleged hijacker Hani Hanjour when the FBI released a list of 19 suspects in the four hijackings. Hanjour, the only suspect on Flight 77 the FBI listed as a pilot, had come to the airport one month earlier seeking to rent a small plane.However, when Baxter and fellow instructor Ben Conner took the slender, soft-spoken Hanjour on three test runs during the second week of August, they found he had trouble controlling and landing the single-engine Cessna 172. Even though Hanjour showed a federal pilot's license and a log book cataloging 600 hours of flying experience, chief flight instructor Marcel Bernard declined to rent him a plane without more lessons.
In the spring of 2000, Hanjour had asked to enroll in the CRM Airline Training Center in Scottsdale, Ariz., for advanced training, said the center's attorney, Gerald Chilton Jr. Hanjour had attended the school for three months in late 1996 and again in December 1997 but never finished coursework for a license to fly a single-engine aircraft, Chilton said.
When Hanjour reapplied to the center last year, "We declined to provide training to him because we didn't think he was a good enough student when he was there in 1996 and 1997," Chilton said.
The only thing that seemed odd about Hanjour, who paid the $400 flying bill in cash, was his address: a motel in Laurel.
At the Valencia Motel on a hardscrabble stretch of Route 1 in Laurel, long-term residents say they know each other well. The five men who stayed in Room 343, a two-room suite, in early September, were an exception, they said. The men drove an old four-door Toyota with California license plates and said nothing.
"They kept way to themselves," said Charmain Mungo, who lives in Room 342 and said she identified Hanjour and Majed Moqed, another suspected Flight 77 hijacker, from an FBI photo.
Moqed apparently visited a nearby adult video store three times between late-July and mid-August, said the store manager, who would not give his name but said he picked Moqed out "immediately" when the FBI showed him the surveillance photo among seven or eight other photos.
"He was extremely uncomfortable," said the manager, who recalled paying attention to Moqed because he wondered whether the man was studying the store for a possible robbery. Moqed visited three times, always between 10:30 p.m. and 1:30 a.m., the manager said, adding that he looked at magazines and movies but didn't buy anything." - Newsday (09/23/01)
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The alleged hijackers of Flight 77...
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American Airlines Flight 77?Pentagon
</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" bgcolor="#ccffff" width="50%"> Hani Hanjour</td> <td align="center" bgcolor="#ccffff" width="50%"> Hijacker (Pilot)</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" bgcolor="#ccffff" width="50%"> Khalid al Mihdhar</td> <td align="center" bgcolor="#ccffff" width="50%"> Hijacker</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" bgcolor="#ccffff" width="50%"> Majed Moqed </td> <td align="center" bgcolor="#ccffff" width="50%"> Hijacker</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" bgcolor="#ccffff" width="50%"> Nawaf al Hazmi </td> <td align="center" bgcolor="#ccffff" width="50%"> Hijacker</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" bgcolor="#ccffff" width="50%"> Salem al Hazmi</td> <td align="center" bgcolor="#ccffff" width="50%"> Hijacker</td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" align="center" bgcolor="#ccffff" width="100%"> Monograph on 9/11 and Terrorist Travel, Chp 2 (PDF)- 9/11 Commission</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </center>5) Hani Hanjour - [nationality unknown]-Possible resident of Phoenix, Arizona, and San Diego, California
-Alias: Hani Saleh Hanjour; Hani Saleh; Hani Hanjour, Hani Saleh H. Hanjour
He was on American Airlines Flight 77, which left Washington, D.C., at 8:10 a.m. and crashed into the Pentagon at 9:39 a.m. Hanjour may have lived in Phoenix, Ariz., and San Diego, Calif. Federal Aviation Administration records show a Hani Hanjour as receiving a commercial pilot's license in 1999 and listing a post office box in Saudi Arabia as his address.
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1) Khalid al Mihdhar* - Possible Saudi national*These two people have been used for Khalid Almihdhar.
-Possible resident of San Diego, California, and New York
-Alias: Sannan Al-Makki; Khalid Bin Muhammad; 'Addallah Al-Mihdhar; Khalid Mohammad Al-Saqaf
Al-Midhar may have lived in Los Angeles and New York. He had a B-1 Visa that covered business-related travel and was good for up to a year, and an expired B-2 Visa, a travel visa, good for up to a year.
Reported alive - "And there are suggestions that another suspect, Khalid Al Midhar, may also be alive." -BBC (09/23/01)
"But Saudis are closing ranks against the evidence in the U.S. attack, and their growing sense of denial has only been fueled by the early misidentification of several suspects.
While the FBI's confusion over Arabic names and identities was largely ignored in the American press, each blunder has made huge news in Saudi Arabia, casting doubt on U.S. intentions and convincing many Saudis that their country has been slandered.
"I want to think all this is a mistake," said a bewildered Khalid al-Mihammadi, 24, a computer programmer from Mecca who was named wrongfully in an early list of hijackers released by the U.S. Justice Department. "We are America's friends, and they do this to us. It isn't fair."
Al-Mihammadi, who spent nine months studying English in the U.S., said he was watching television at home when shaken friends saw his photograph on the news and began to call to see if he was still alive." -Chicago Tribune (10/04/01)
"The FBI said it was reviewing the information about those on board the flights and that "the possibility that some of the identities are in question is being actively pursued".
The confusion has added to the problems of investigators. They have discovered that one of the men arrested, Badr Mohammed Hamzi, a radiologist from San Antonio, Texas, regularly used the name Khalid Al-Midhar, who has been named as another of the hijackers." -Guardian (09/21/01)
"It's no secret the FBI let at least two 9-11 hijackers?Hazmi and Mihdhar?slip through its fingers when they landed in California in 2000 and proceeded to live openly under their own names in San Diego before moving into position for the attack. What makes the situation especially ludicrous is that one of these hijackers rented a room from a San Diego landlord who was an FBI informant on the Muslim community.
That's bad enough. But after 9-11, when the Joint Congressional Intelligence Committee found out what had been going on, the FBI refused to allow the informant to be interviewed by the committee staff or to testify." -Village Voice (06/14/05)
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2) Majed Moqed - Possible Saudi national-Alias: Majed M.GH Moqed; Majed Moqed, Majed Mashaan Moqed
"Sept. 13, 2001. A ?Kingdom of Saudi Arabia Student Identity Card? was found in the rubble at the Pentagon with Moqed?s name on it. Forensic examination indicated that it may have been fraudulent." - Monograph on 9/11 and Terrorist Travel, Chp 2 - 9/11 Commission
"Authorities have alleged in court documents that he was one of a number of suspects who obtained a phony identity card in Virginia on Aug. 2 by falsely claiming to be a resident. Witnesses placed Moqed and other suspected hijackers in Maryland between Sept. 2 and 6, where they were seen working out at a gym in Greenbelt. Moqed also was seen in two stores in Maryland's Washington suburbs looking over adult videos and books, although employees say he made no purchases." -MSNBC
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3) Nawaf Alhazmi - Possible Saudi national-Possible resident of Fort Lee, New Jersey; Wayne, New Jersey; San Diego, California
-Alias: Nawaf Al-Hazmi; Nawaf Al Hazmi; Nawaf M.S. Al Hazmi
"PE00102 - Partial ID card reading ALHAZMI from the Pentagon crash site" - uscourts.gov
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4) Salem Alhazmi - Possible Saudi national-Possible resident of Fort Lee, New Jersey; Wayne, New Jersey
Reported alive - "FBI Director Robert Mueller acknowledged Thursday that investigators may not know the true identities of some of the 19 suspected airplane hijackers from last week's suicide attacks.
* Salem Alhamzi, a name used by one of the suspected hijackers on American Airlines Flight 77, the plane that crashed into the Pentagon.
A man with the same name works for the Saudi Royal Commission in the Saudi city of Yanbu." -LA Times (09/21/01)
"The FBI acknowledged yesterday that some of the terrorists involved in the attacks last week were using false identities, as it emerged that at least two men had been wrongly implicated.
After analysis of the passenger lists of the four hijacked flights and other immigration documents, investigators identified Salem Al-Hazmi and Abdulaziz Al-Omari as two of the terrorists.
The real Salem Al-Hazmi, however, is alive and indignant in Saudi Arabia, and not one of the people who perished in the American Airlines flight that crashed on the Pentagon. He works at a government-owned petroleum and chemical plant in the city of Yanbu.
He said yesterday he had not left Saudi Arabia for two years, but that his passport had been stolen by a pickpocket in Cairo three years ago.
Both men have offered to fly to the US to prove their innocence.
"The Salem Al-Hamzi we have is 26 years old and has never been to the United States," Gaafar Allagany told the Washington Post. "He has said he is willing to come to the United States if anyone wants to see him." -Guardian (09/21/01)
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See also "Tracking the 19 Hijackers" for more info about the 9/11 hijackers.
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(*Remember, if one of these alleged hijackers is flying the plane, that means only four of them would be holding off the 59 passengers.)
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</td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="18" width="100%"> "A former high-level intelligence official told me, 'Whatever trail was left was left deliberately?for the F.B.I. to chase.'"
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Khalid Al-Midhar booked a reservation on the American Airlines Web site, using his frequent-flier number, which he established the day before, according to FBI documents. He paid cash for the ticket on Sept. 5 at BWI, the Times reported.
Majed Moqed ordered his ticket through the same frequent-flier number, also paying cash for his ticket at BWI, the newspaper said."
-Prince George's Journal (9/18/02)
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"Nawaf Alhazmi, believed to be from Saudi Arabia, is the other hijacker on the terrorist watch list before the attacks. A car registered to Alhazmi was found at Dulles International Airport the day after the attacks. It contained a cashier's check made out to a flight school in Phoenix; four drawings of the cockpit of a 757 jet; a box-cutter-type knife; and maps of Washington and New York. One map had a telephone number that led police to Mohamed Abdi, who is being held without bond in Alexandria, Virginia, as a material witness." -BBC (9/28/01)
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"Hani Hanjour, left, and Majed Moqued, pictured in a surveillance camera image, are two of six hijackers who spent time in Maryland prior to the suicide attack on the Pentagon." -Washington Post (09/17/01)
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Alshehri was on American Airlines flight 11, one of the planes that hit the Twin Towers at the World Trade Center in New York; Alhamzi and Alhamzi were on American Airlines flight 77, which hit the Pentagon." -CBS (12/20/01)
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Did Khalid Almihdhar fly Flight 77?
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Their instructor at a San Diego flight school flunked them, and later described the men as "Dumb and Dumber."
Then again, Khalid Almihdhar and Nawaf Alhazmi never needed to develop any skill in landing planes. They just needed to learn how to crash them into buildings - a goal they achieved Sept. 11 when American Airlines Flight 77 plowed into the Pentagon.
In fact, the FBI was looking for Almihdhar and Nawaf Alhazmi, who appeared to have spent most of the past two years together in the United States.
Investigators aren't even entirely sure that Almihdhar and Alhazmi are the men's real names - or that several people weren't using those names as aliases. They have used several spellings for both Almihdhar and Alhazmi since the attacks, and some newspapers and television stations briefly mixed up Almihdhar with Khalid al-Mihmadi, a Saudi exchange student who lived in Daytona Beach until last May.
Occasionally their paths crossed with Hanjour, who later joined them on Flight 77.
Almihdhar and Alhazmi also paid $3,000 cash for a 1988 Toyota Corolla, registering it under a false address but scrupulously following the law on emissions testing.
A day after the Sept. 11 attacks, the FBI towed a car matching the same description from Dulles International Airport in Washington. The car, registered to Nawaf Alhazmi, contained a list of instructions for the hijackers, telling them to "strike as the heroes would strike ... and then you will know all the heavens are decorated in the best way to meet you."
In Washington: The five Flight 77 suspects bought weeklong gym memberships in the Beltway area in August - much like their compatriots in south Palm Beach County. They got driver's licenses in Virginia using fake addresses, taking advantage of that state's lax laws on what proof of identity is required.
On Sept. 11, either Almihdhar or Hanjour may have piloted the hijacked jetliner into the Pentagon, according to investigators quoted in conflicting news accounts. Some accounts say Almihdhar was the one who gave the passengers a chilling message around 9:30 a.m.: Phone home, because you are all about to die.
The FBI has given no age for Almihdhar and Alhazmi but says they may be Saudi nationals. Alhazmi may have trained at camps Afghan camps tied to al-Qaeda, according to investigators quoted in news reports. The reports don't say when the training occurred.
The FBI began looking for both Almihdhar and Alhazmi Aug. 23. But the FBI office in San Diego, where the two had spent so much time the year before, didn't get the word until two days after the bombing.
Investigators say Almihdhar and Alhazmi first entered the United States through Los Angeles International Airport in late 1999 or early 2000. On immigration papers, they listed their intended address as a Sheraton hotel in LA.
Shaikh said he and the pair prayed together five times a day, but they shared little conversation because of the men's difficulties with English. They paid rent, although he offered to let them stay for free, and didn't express any hatred of the United States.
"They were nice, but not what you call extroverted people," Shaikh told the San Diego Union-Tribune.
The pair took a half-dozen flight classes at Sorbi's Flying Club nearby, but chief flight instructor Rick Garza has said their poor English skills disqualified them. Garza said Almihdhar and Alhazmi started out wanting to fly Boeing jet aircraft, but he steered them to Cessnas instead.
"I told the FBI they seemed like 'Dumb and Dumber,' " Garza told the Union-Tribune.
In August, the pair got state identification cards from the Virginia Department of Motor Vehicles in Springfield, southwest of Washington, D.C. So did the rest of the Flight 77 suspects, along with Abdulaziz Alomari and Ahmed Alghamdi, who rode separate planes that struck the World Trade Center, as well as Ziad Jarrah, whose hijacked flight crashed in Pennsylvania.
Federal investigators say Almihdhar and another Flight 77 suspect, Hanjour, drove to a northern Virginia convenience store and paid $100 to Luis Martinez-Flores, an illegal alien from El Salvador, to sign a document falsely certifying the men's address. They in turn signed documents allowing some of the other terrorists to get their licenses.
On Sept. 5, Almihdhar and Moqed bought their airline tickets with cash at Baltimore-Washington International Airport. They had booked the tickets on the American Airlines web site. Almihdhar used a Daytona Beach address and a frequent-flier number he had established the day before. Almihdhar had seat 12 B, Moqed the window seat beside him.
Despite their presence on the terrorist watch list, Almihdhar and Alhazmi raised no alarms when they arrived at Dulles before the scheduled 8:10 a.m. departure Sept. 11. They and their three cohorts entered through Gate D26.
Eight days after the planes went down, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. distributed a "special alert" to its member banks asking for information about 21 "alleged suspects" in the attacks. The list said "Al-Midhar, Khalid Alive," raising the possibility that the real Almihdhar never died on the plane. But one Justice Department official called the listing a "typo." -Cox News (10/21/01) [Reprinted at: Bill St. Clair's Home Page]
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Did Nawaf Alhazmi fly Flight 77?
</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-width: 1px;" colspan="2" height="19" width="100%"> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-width: 1px; line-height: 1.25em; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 79%;" colspan="2" bgcolor="#ccffcc" height="152" width="100%"> "The terrorist believed to have flown a hijacked airliner into the Pentagon on Sept. 11, 2001, obtained a California driver's license without providing the required Social Security number for identification, officials are acknowledging for the first time.Nawaf M.S. Alhazmi then used that license when he registered for the flight training that enabled him to pilot the doomed airliner." -San Luis Obispo Tribune/AP (02/06/05)</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-top-style: solid; border-top-width: 1px;" colspan="2" height="19" width="100%"> </td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="19" width="100%">
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(All photos and excerpts were taken from Yahoo! News. Alt: Chicago Tribune.)
</td> <td bgcolor="#ffcccc" valign="top" width="50%"> "Surveillance video from Washington's Dulles Airport the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, shows four of the five hijackers being pulled aside to undergo additional scrutiny after setting off metal detectors but then permitted to board the fateful flight that later crashed into the Pentagon. The surveillance video, obtained by The Associated Press, shows an airport screener hand-checking the carryon baggage of one hijacker, Nawaf al-Hazmi, for traces of explosives before letting him continue onto American Airlines Flight 77 with his brother, Salem, a fellow hijacker.
Details in the grainy video are difficult to distinguish. But an earlier report by the commission is consistent with the men's procession through airport security as shown on the video obtained by the AP.
No knives or other sharp objects are visible on the surveillance video. But investigators on the commission have said the hijackers at Dulles were believed to be carrying utility knives either personally or in their luggage, which at the time could legally be carried aboard planes.
The video shows hijackers Khalid al-Mihdhar and Majed Moqed, each dressed conservatively in slacks and collared shirts, setting off metal-detectors as they pass through security. Moqed set off a second alarm, and a screener manually checked him with a handheld metal detector.
The pair were known to travel together previously and had paid cash to purchase their tickets aboard Flight 77 on Sept. 5, 2001, at the American Airlines counter at Baltimore's airport.
Only Hani Hanjour, believed to have been the hijacker who piloted Flight 77, did not set off a metal detector as he passed through Dulles security that morning, according to the video.
The AP obtained the video from the Motley Rice law firm, which is representing some survivors' families who are suing the airlines and security industry over their actions in the Sept. 11 attacks." -ABC (07/21/04)
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CBS Video Link (Look in Video section)
</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: none; border-width: medium;" colspan="2" height="19" width="100%"> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-top-style: none; border-top-width: medium;" colspan="2" height="16" width="100%">See also: Joe Vialls' - Dulles 'Hijacker' Video NOT Filmed on 9-11</td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="19" width="100%"> </td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="19" width="100%"> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-width: 1px;" colspan="2" bgcolor="#ffcc00" height="24" width="100%"> Why does the media identify two different people as Hani Hanjour in the Dulles security video?
Obviously the stocky man on the left dressed in all black is not Hanjour. The man in the right photo from an MSNBC clip looks more like the real Hanjour with his thin build and receding hairline although it has not been confirmed that this person is him. Oddly enough in the MSNBC article, notice they identify Hanjour with wearing the clothes that that gentleman in the left photo is wearing (short-sleeved shirt). Also, who is the gentleman in the left photo and why hasn't he complained to the media that they misidentified him as one of the alleged 9/11 hijackers? Finally, notice that these clips were taken from two different surveillance cameras and neither of them have timestamps.
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"Only Hani Hanjour, believed to have been the hijacker who piloted Flight 77, passed through Dulles security that morning without being subjected to a secondary security check, according to the video.
Moments after Hanjour passed alone through the security checkpoint, wearing dark slacks and a short-sleeved shirt, the final two hijackers, the al-Hazmi brothers, both wearing slacks and Oxford shirts, walked through the checkpoint." - MSNBC (07/22/04) (Click photo for hi-res. Video clip taken from here.)
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An ATM surveillance photo shows suspected hijackers Hani Hanjour, left, and Majed Moqed. The timestamp reads: 09-05-01.
(Photo source: Los Angeles Times - News from Los Angeles, California and the World, 09/27/01)
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</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-width: 1px;" colspan="2" bgcolor="#ffcc00" height="46" width="100%"> Notice the Government's preliminary estimate of the number of alleged hijackers on Flight 77 was only four, not five, and only four alleged hijackers are shown on the Dulles security video above...
</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-width: 1px;" colspan="2" height="19" width="100%"> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-width: 1px; line-height: 1.25em; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 79%;" colspan="2" bgcolor="#ffccff" height="159" width="100%"> "ASHCROFT: Last but not least, the total number of hijackers, to our best estimate and our best knowledge given the information at this time, on the four planes that crashed was at least 18. Unless contradicted by evidence, which we wouldn't anticipate, two planes had five hijackers and two other planes had four hijackers each.
QUESTION: About the hijackers, were they ticketed passengers? If not, do you know how they got on the planes?
FBI DIRECTOR ROBERT MUELLER: Yes, they were ticketed passengers.
QUESTION: How many...are you looking at? How many hijackers and associates do you have?
ASHCROFT: Well, obviously, I've just announced that there are 18 hijackers
MUELLER: On the American Airlines, number 11, flight out of Boston, going to LA, there were five, we believe. Our preliminary investigation indicates that five of the passengers were involved in the hijacking on that plane. United Airlines 175, also out of Boston to LA, our preliminary investigation indicates that there were five hijackers on that plane.
On United Airlines 93, Newark to San Francisco, four hijackers. And American Airlines 77, Dulles to Los Angeles, four hijackers. That is our preliminary. The results of our preliminary investigation, the investigation is continuing. That is our best view at this time as to the numbers and the planes they were on.
QUESTION: Could you clarify for us, please, on what you've been able to verify and document concerning the flight path of the 77 into the Pentagon? Did it go over Washington, D.C., first?
MUELLER: I really can't comment on what we have with regard to that particular flight." -Global Security (9/14/01)
<hr> "The other two planes ? United Flight 93 from Newark, N.J., and American Airlines Flight 77 from Dulles International Airport, which hit the Pentagon ? were hijacked by four terrorists each, Mueller said.
Justice officials have said at least one hijacker on each plane received flight training in the United States." -Washington Post (09/14/01)
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</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-width: 1px;" colspan="2" bgcolor="#ffcc00" height="46" width="100%"> Notice the Government's preliminary estimate of the number of alleged hijackers on Flight 77 was only four, not five, and only four alleged hijackers are shown on the Dulles security video above...
</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-width: 1px;" colspan="2" height="19" width="100%"> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-width: 1px;" colspan="2" bgcolor="#ccffcc" height="72" width="100%"> "American Airlines has released the names of some of the people who died on its flights in the terror attacks on New York and Washington.
The airline has honoured the requests of those families who have asked that their loved ones' names not be included.
Additional names will be released as passengers' relatives are notified.
Flight 77, a Boeing 757 aircraft, was en route to Los Angeles from Washington Dulles.
Passengers on Flight 77 were: Paul Ambrose, Yemen Betru, M J Booth, Bernard Brown, Suzanne Calley, William Caswell, Sarah Clark, Asia Cotton, James Debeuneure, Rodney Dickens, Eddie Dillard, Charles Droz, Barbara Edwards, Charles Falkenberg, Zoe Falkenberg, Dana Falkenberg, James Ferguson, Budd Flagg, Dee Flagg, Richard Gabriel, Ian Gray, Stanley Hall, Bryan Jack, Steve Jacoby, Ann Judge, Chandler Keller, Yvonne Kennedy, Norma Khan, Karen Kincaid, Norma Langsteuerle, Dong Lee, Dora Menchaca, Chris Newton, Barbara Olson, Ruben Ornedo, Lisa Raines, Todd Reuben, John Sammartino, Diane Simmons, George Simmons, Mari Rae Sopper, Robert Speisman, Leonard Taylor, Sandra Teague, Leslie Whittington, John Yamnick, Vicki Yancey, Shuyin Yang, Yuguag Zheng.
Flight Crew for Flight 77 were: Captain Charles Burlingame, First Officer David Charlebois; Flight Attendants Michele Heidenberger, Jennifer Lewis, Kenneth Lewis, Renee May." - TCM Breaking News (9/12/01)
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Autopsy: No Arabs on Flight 77, By Thomas R. Olmsted, M.D
"I am an ex Naval line officer and a psychiatrist in private practice in New Orleans, a Christian and homeschool dad. It troubled me a great deal that we rushed off to war on the flimsiest of evidence. I considered various ways to provide a smoking gun of who and why Sept 11th happened. Astute observers noticed right away that there were no Arabic sounding names on any of the flight manifests of the planes that ?crashed? on that day. A list of names on a piece of paper is not evidence, but an autopsy by a pathologist, is. I undertook by FOIA request, to obtain that autopsy list and you are invited to view it below. Guess what? Still no Arabs on the list. It is my opinion that the monsters who planned this crime made a mistake by not including Arabic names on the original list to make the ruse seem more believable." -Sierra Times (07/06/03)
(See also: No Arabs on Flight 77: Part II -The Passengers, By Thomas R Olmsted, M.D.)
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Isn't it a little too bizarre that the five alleged Flight 77 hijackers lived right next door to the NSA?
</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-width: 1px;" colspan="2" height="19" width="100%"> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-width: 1px;" colspan="2" bgcolor="#ffcccc" height="86" width="100%"> "A few miles out of Washington, on Route 1 to Baltimore, lies an inconspicuous military installation called Fort Meade. And yet it contains the largest mass of secrets in the world.
It is home to the National Security Agency (NSA), the least visible but most powerful spy agency in America's armoury.
The NSA's job is to eavesdrop on the world's phone calls and emails, but do not try to phone them.
The NSA website does not list a phone number. You do not contact them. They listen to you.
Though invisible on the map, 38,000 people work at the agency every day, more than the CIA and FBI put together - every one of them sworn to a lifetime of secrecy.
When Osama bin Laden first moved to Afghanistan, the NSA listened in to every phone call he made on his satellite phone.
In fact, one of the most bizarre ironies of all this is that five of the hijackers lived in a motel right outside the gates of the NSA.
Early on the morning of 11 September, when Hani Hanjour and his four accomplices left the Valencia Motel on US route 1 on their way to Washington's Dulles airport, they joined the stream of NSA employees heading to work.
Three hours later, they had turned flight 77 around and slammed it into the Pentagon." -BBC (6/08/02)
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How did they all pass airport security and get on the plane with knifes and box cutters?
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Six were chosen for extra scrutiny by a computerized screening system, prompting a sweep of their checked baggage for explosives or unauthorized weapons, authorities said. The ninth was listed on ticket documents as traveling with one of the hijackers with questionable identification.
Law enforcement and aviation officials declined to provide further details about the security screenings, including which of the hijackers were chosen and what flights they were on.
Authorities also said they could not say if any of the nine were interrogated in any way before being allowed to board their flights, or if screeners noticed the box-cutting knives used in the attacks. Such knives were allowed on airplanes before Sept. 11." -Washington Post (3/02/02)
<hr> FAA: Nine hijackers singled out for screenings
"Transportation authorities singled out nine of the 19 hijackers in the September 11 attacks for special security screenings before they boarded their flights that morning, a Federal Aviation Administration spokesman said Saturday.
Under the enhanced precautions, airport security screened the hijackers' checked bags for weapons and explosives -- a measure that was not mandated for most passengers last fall.
At the time of the attacks, the box-cutting knives the hijackers used to take control of the planes would have been allowed to be taken onto the aircraft.
According to the Washington Post, which first reported the story Saturday, a computerized screening system chose six of the hijackers for the tightened security measures.
Two others were selected because of irregularities in their identification documents, U.S. officials told the Post.
The ninth hijacker was listed in travel documents as traveling with one of the men singled out because of his identification, the Post reported.
Law enforcement and aviation officials refused to discuss other aspects of the screening, including which hijackers were selected, whether they were interrogated or whether the knives were discovered at security checkpoints, according to the Post." -CNN (3/02/02)
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<hr> "American Airlines flight number 77. Cammid Al-Madar, and Mosear Caned (ph), Majar Mokhed (ph), Nawar Al Hazni (ph) and Salem Al Hazni (ph)." -CNN (09/14/01)
(Graphic source: bbc)
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Alhamzi, Nawaq ? Passenger No. 12
Almidhar, Khalid ? Passenger No. 20, Seat 12B
Alhamzi, Salem ? Passenger No. 13, Seat 5F
Moqed, Majed ? Passenger No. 19, Seat 12A
Hanjour, Hani
Aboard United Airlines Flight 93, which departed Newark, N.J., for San Francisco and crashed outside of Shanksville, Pa.:
Alghamdi, Saeed ? Passenger No. 2
Alhaznawi, Ahmed ? Passenger No. 3
Alnami, Ahmed ? Passenger No. 4
Jarrahi, Ziad ? Passenger No. 26
Aboard American Airlines Flight 11, which crashed into the North Tower of the World Trade Center after taking off from Boston's Logan International Airport en route for Los Angeles:
Alshehri, Wail ? Passenger No. 1, Seat 2A
Alshehri, Waleed ? Passenger No. 2, Seat 2B
Alomari, Abdulaziz ? Passenger No. 14, Seat 8G
Al Suqami, Satam ? Passenger No. 20, Seat 10B
Atta, Mohamed ? Seat 8D
Aboard United Airlines Flight 175, which left Boston for Los Angeles but crashed into the South Tower of the Word Trade Center:
Alghamdi, Ahmed ? Passenger No. 2
Alghamdi, Hamza ? Passenger No. 3
Al-Shehhi, Marwan ? Passenger No. 4
Alshehri, Mohald ? Passenger No. 5
Ahmed, Fayez ? Passenger No. 6
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What physical proof is there that the five alleged Arab hijackers were on board this plane?
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A team of more than 100 workers at a military morgue at Dover Air Force Base in Delaware used several methods to identify remains but primarily relied on DNA testing and dental records. They formally ended their effort Friday after concluding that some remains were too badly burned to identify.
The fifth unidentified victim was a passenger on the hijacked plane. A spokesman for the FBI declined to disclose the name of the victim.
All 64 people aboard the hijacked plane, including six crew members and the five hijackers, were also killed.
Military officials said they had been preparing families for some time for the possibility that there might not be any remains of some victims.
The remains of the five hijackers have been identified through a process of exclusion, as they did not match DNA samples contributed by family members of all 183 victims who died at the site.
The hijackers' remains will be turned over to the FBI and held as evidence, FBI spokesman Chris Murray said. After the investigation is concluded, the State Department will decide what is to be done with the remains." -Washington Post (11/21/01); -Arlington National Cemetary (11/21/01)
<hr> ► "Dover Air Force Base morticians have isolated the remains they think are the five hijackers in the Pentagon attack and will keep them as evidence for the FBI, a base spokesman said Friday.
Genetic information from the five does not match any DNA samples on file at the Pentagon or obtained from family members of the crash victims, he said.
Unlike those victims, the institute has no DNA samples from the hijackers' relatives to compare with DNA drawn from the remains. This has prohibited them from putting names to the remains.
The remains were flown to Dover from the crash scene in the days following the attack.
Maj. Jon Anderson said the hijackers' remains were identified through a process of elimination." -News Journal (12/15/2001)
<hr> ► "What some experts have called "the most comprehensive forensic investigation in U.S. history" ended Nov. 16 with the identification of 184 of the 189 who died in the terrorist attack on the Pentagon.
Many of the casualties were badly burned and difficult to identify, an official said. Of the 189 killed, 125 worked at the Pentagon and 64 were passengers on American Airlines Flight 77. Only one of those who died made it to the hospital. The rest were killed on site, and for some, only pieces of tissue could be found.
A board-certified epidemiologist managed the tracking system for data collected during the autopsy process, and tissue samples were collected for DNA identification and further toxicology studies.
Teams of forensic scientists, under the direction of Demris Lee, technical leader of the Nuclear DNA Section, took over the difficult chore of generating a DNA profile of the victims. Their work included not only the Pentagon crash victims, but the victims of the Somerset County crash as well." -DC Military (11/30/01)
<hr> ► "Unidentifiable remains of victims of the September 11, 2001, attack on the Pentagon will be buried in Arlington National Cemetery, the military said Friday.
The September 12, 2002, ceremony will hold special significance for families of five people whose remains have never been identified, said Colonel Jody Draves, a spokeswoman for the Military District of Washington, which oversees the cemetery.
The Pentagon attack killed 189 people: 125 in the Pentagon and 64 aboard American Airlines Flight 77. Remains of the five hijackers on the flight have been separated from those of the victims.
The five victims whose remains have not been identified include: Retired Army Colonel Ronald Golinski, a civilian Pentagon worker; Navy ET1 Ronald Henanway; Rhonda Rasmussen, a civilian worker for the Army; Jack T. Lynch, a civilian worker for the Navy; Dana Falkenberg, a passenger on Flight 77" -Arlington National Cemetery (08/16/02)
<hr> ► "Among the human remains painstakingly sorted from the Pentagon and Pennsylvania crash sites of Sept. 11 are those of nine of the hijackers.
The FBI has held them for months, and no one seems to know what should be done with them. It's a politically and emotionally charged question for the government, which eventually must decide how to dispose of some of the most despised men in American history.
In contrast, the remains of all 40 victims in the Pennsylvania crash and all but five of the 184 victims at the Pentagon site were identified months ago.
Little attention has been paid to the terrorists' remains found mingled with those of the Pennsylvania and Pentagon victims.
Four sets of remains in Pennsylvania and five at the Pentagon were grouped together as the hijackers - but not identified by name - through a process of elimination.
Families of the airplanes' passengers and crews and those who died within the Pentagon provided DNA samples, typically on toothbrushes or hairbrushes, to aid with identification. The remains that didn't match any of the samples were ruled to be the terrorists, said Chris Kelly, spokesman for the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, which did the DNA work. The nine sets of remains matched the number of hijackers believed to be on the two planes.
Without reference samples from the hijackers' personal effects or from their immediate families to compare with the recovered DNA, the remains could not be matched to individuals.
With the one-year anniversary approaching, State Department officials say they have received no requests for the remains. The department would be responsible for handling such a request from any government seeking the return of a citizen's body.
Officials have said that all but one of the nine hijackers recovered had connections to Saudi Arabia. The other was Lebanese.
Officials at the Saudi Embassy in Washington did not respond to requests for comment.
In more typical cases, foreign families also could contact local authorities. But the hijackers' remains are under the control of the FBI.
?To the best of my knowledge, there haven't been any friends or family members to try to claim the remains of these people,? said Jeff Killeen, spokesman for the FBI field office in Pittsburgh. ?They are in the custody of the FBI in Washington. They have not been released.? -CBS/AP (08/17/02)
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</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-width: 1px;" colspan="2" bgcolor="#ffcc00" height="68" width="100%"> Is it just a coincidence that the same medical examiners that identified the passenger's remains from Flight 77 were the same that helped identified the remains of the passengers of Flight 93, the other plane that left no trace of itself where it was said to have crashed?
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Personnel from the AFME [Armed Forces Medical Examiner] supported, including acting as team leader, the identification of remains from United Airlines Flight 93 that crashed in Somerset, PA. All but one of the passengers and crew were identified. Armed Forces DNA Identification Laboratory personnel were crucial in identifying victims." - Soldiers to the Rescue/Armed Forces Medical Examiner
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More in depth info about Hani Hanjour...
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"Although the authorities say none of the 19 hijackers on Sept. 11 were tied to an F.B.I. intelligence alert issued by an agent in Arizona two months earlier, one hijacker, Hani Hanjour, had come to the Federal Aviation Administration's attention earlier last year, when he trained in Phoenix.
Mr. Hanjour, who investigators contend piloted the airliner that crashed into the Pentagon, was reported to the aviation agency in February 2001 after instructors at his flight school in Phoenix had found his piloting skills so shoddy and his grasp of English so inadequate that they questioned whether his pilot's license was genuine.
Records show a Hani Hanjour obtained a license in 1999 in Scottsdale, Ariz. Previous and sometimes contradictory reports said he failed in 1996 and 1997 to obtain a license at other schools.
"The staff thought he was a very nice guy, but they didn't think his English was up to level," said Marilyn Ladner, a vice president at the Pan Am International Flight Academy, which operated the center in Phoenix. Ms. Ladner said that the F.A.A. examined Mr. Hanjour's credentials and found them legitimate and that an inspector, by coincidence, attended a class with Mr. Hanjour. The inspector also offered to find an interpreter to help Mr. Hanjour, she said.
"He ended up observing Hani in class," Ms. Ladner added, "though that was not his original reason for being there."
Company officials briefed members of Congress about the case, including Representative James L. Oberstar, Democrat of Minnesota, who made public some of its general details in December.
The aviation agency did not return a call for comment.
Pan Am International, one of the largest pilot schools in the nation, also operated the flight school in Eagan, Minn., near Minneapolis, where the instructors' suspicions led to the arrest of Zacarias Moussaoui, the man whom the authorities have said was intended to be the 20th hijacker.
Ms. Ladner said the Phoenix staff never suspected that Mr. Hanjour was a hijacker but feared that his skills were so weak that he could pose a safety hazard if he flew a commercial airliner.
"There was no suspicion as far as evildoing," Ms. Ladner said. "It was more of a very typical instructional concern that 'you really shouldn't be in the air.' "
A former employee of the school said that the staff initially made good-faith efforts to help Mr. Hanjour and that he received individual instruction for a few days. But he was a poor student. On one written problem that usually takes 20 minutes to complete, Mr. Hanjour took three hours, the former employee said, and he answered incorrectly.
Ultimately, administrators at the school told Mr. Hanjour that he would not qualify for the advanced certificate. But the ex-employee said Mr. Hanjour continued to pay to train on a simulator for Boeing 737 jets. "He didn't care about the fact that he couldn't get through the course," the ex-employee said.
Staff members characterized Mr. Hanjour as polite, meek and very quiet. But most of all, the former employee said, they considered him a very bad pilot.
"I'm still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon," the former employee said. "He could not fly at all." - NY Times (05/04/02)
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► FAA Was Alerted To Sept. 11 Hijacker
"Months before Hani Hanjour is believed to have flown an American Airlines jet into the Pentagon, managers at an Arizona flight school reported him at least five times to the FAA, reports CBS News Correspondent Vince Gonzales.
They reported him not because they feared he was a terrorist, but because his English and flying skills were so bad, they told the Associated Press, they didn't think he should keep his pilot's license.
"I couldn't believe he had a commercial license of any kind with the skills that he had," said Peggy Chevrette, the manager for the now-defunct JetTech flight school in Phoenix.
Reacting to the alert in January 2001, an FAA inspector checked to ensure Hanjour's 1999 license was legitimate and even sat next to him in one of the Arizona classes.
But he didn't tell the FBI or take action to rescind Hanjour's license, FAA officials said.
"There was nothing about the pilot's actions to signal criminal intent at the time or that would have caused us to alert law enforcement," FAA spokeswoman Laura Brown said.
But one official said the inspector, John Anthony, did not suggest a translator and "did not observe any serious issue" with Hanjour's English, even though University of Arizona records show he failed his English classes with a 0.26 grade point average. Other Arizona flight schools he attended also questioned his abilities.
"He didn't do his homework, didn't attend on time and he would sort of come and go," said Duncan Hastie of Cockpit Resource Management.
Marilyn Ladner, the vice president of Pan Am Flight Academy in Miami ? the company that owned JetTech before it closed in the aftermath of Sept. 11 ? told CBS News, "We did everything we were supposed to do," in reporting Hanjour.
Hanjour attended flight schools with two other Pentagon hijackers. And in July last year, an Arizona FBI agent alerted Washington that a large number of Middle Eastern men were taking flying lessons, but he was ignored.
Attorney General John Ashcroft said Friday he didn't know there had been a red flag raised about Hanjour. "I'd be pleased to include information like this in our investigation, but it's not something with which I'm familiar."
Chevrette said Hanjour's English was so poor that it took him five hours to complete a section of a mock pilot's oral exam that is supposed to last just a couple of hours.
Chevrette said she contacted Anthony again when Hanjour began ground training for Boeing 737 jetliners and it became clear he didn't have the skills for the commercial pilot's license.
"I don't truly believe he should have had it and I questioned that," she said.
FBI agents have questioned and administered a lie detector test to one of Hanjour's instructors in Arizona who was an Arab American and had signed off on Hanjour's flight instruction credentials before he got his pilot's license.
That instructor said he told agents that Hanjour was "a very average pilot, maybe struggling a little bit." The instructor added, "Maybe his English wasn't very good." -CBS News (5/10/02)
<hr> "Marcel Bernard, the chief flight instructor at the airport, said a man named Hani Hanjour went into the air in a Cessna 172 with instructors from the airport three times beginning the second week of August and had hoped to rent a plane from the airport.
According to published reports, law enforcement sources say Hanjour, in his mid-twenties, is suspected of crashing American Airlines Flight 77 into the Pentagon.
Hanjour had his pilot's license, said Bernard, but needed what is called a ``check-out" done by the airport to gauge a pilot's skills before he or she is able to rent a plane at Freeway Airport, which runs parallel with Route 50.
Instructors at the school told Bernard that after three times in the air, they still felt he was unable to fly solo and that Hanjour seemed disappointed.
Published reports said Hanjour obtained his pilot's license in April 1999, but it expired six months later because he did not complete a required medical exam. He also was trained for a few months at a private school in Scottsdale, Ariz., in 1996, but did not finish the course because instructors felt he was not capable.
Hanjour had 600 hours listed in his log book, Bernard said, and instructors were surprised he was not able to fly better with the amount of experience he had." -Prince George's Journal (9/18/01)
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Hanjour an unlikely terrorist
"Of the four men believed to have been the pilots in the hijacking conspiracy that claimed nearly 5,000 lives, Hani Hanjour stands out as the most unlikely - certainly, the most enigmatic - terrorist. Even as he pursued the flight training he would need for his final act, instructors found him withdrawn, slow to pick up a feel for the cockpit.
Even today, his family cannot fathom his alleged role in the plot. "We are in shock," his eldest brother, Abulrahman Hanjour, said. "We thought that he liked the USA. ... I would think he would give his life to save lives, not to do this."
Barely over 5 feet tall, skinny and boyish, Hanjour displayed a temperament and actions that were out of sync with those of his fellow pilots in several ways. He was the only alleged pilot who does not appear to have been part of an al-Qaida cell in Europe.
Over five years, Hanjour hopscotched among flight schools and airplane rental companies, but his instructors regarded him as a poor student, even in the weeks before the attacks.
Federal Aviation Administration records show he obtained a commercial pilot's license in April 1999, but how and where he did so remains a lingering question that FAA officials refuse to discuss. His limited flying abilities do afford an insight into one feature of the attacks: The conspiracy apparently did not include a surplus of skilled pilots.
"He had only the barest understanding what the instruments were there to do."
Hanjour's precise path from family farm to terrorist plot remains obscured.
Susan Khalil remembers him as socially inept, with poor English and "really bad hygiene. I had to have my husband get after him about bathing and changing his clothes." Khalil noticed a greenish film on Hanjour's teeth after a few weeks; he had been too timid to ask for a toothbrush.
During three months of instruction in late 1996, Duncan K.M. Hastie, CRM's owner, found Hanjour a "weak student" who "was wasting our resources."
"The impression I got is he came and, like a lot of guys, got overwhelmed with the instruments." He used the simulator perhaps three or four more times, Fults said, then "disappeared like a fog."
Instructors once again questioned his competence. After three sessions in a single-engine plane, the school decided Hanjour was not ready to rent a plane by himself." - Cape Cod Times (10/12/02)
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Hanjour a Study in Paradox
Suspect's Brother: 'We Thought He Liked the USA'
"Of the four men believed to have been the pilots in the hijacking conspiracy that claimed nearly 5,000 lives, Hani Hanjour stands out as the most unlikely -- certainly, the most enigmatic -- terrorist.
He was so unambitious that, as a teenager in Saudi Arabia, he thought of dropping out of high school to become a flight attendant. Short and slight, he was so shy that, as a houseguest of family friends in Florida, he would not confess that he had forgotten a toothbrush. Even as he pursued the flight training he would need for his final act, instructors found him withdrawn, slow to pick up a feel for the cockpit.
Hanjour, 29, shared the piety of Islamic extremists. The most religious among seven children, he prayed and attended mosque regularly at home and in the United States. But his seemed an inward devotion, not an overtly political zeal.
Even today, his family cannot fathom his alleged role in the plot. They recognized his photograph as the person who investigators say crashed American Airlines Flight 77 into the Pentagon on Sept. 11.
"We are in shock," his eldest brother, Abulrahman Hanjour, said in a recent telephone interview from Saudi Arabia. "We thought that he liked the USA. . . . I would think he would give his life to save lives, not to do this."
A month after the attacks, only one of the 19 suspected hijackers has come into focus. Mohamed Atta, most likely the leader of the plot, is clearly etched in the public mind as an intense, arrogant man who became an Islamic radical while a university student in Germany.
Now, an image of Hani Hanjour is emerging as well, from public records and interviews with his brother and people who encountered him in the United States over more than a decade.
Hanjour's meek, introverted manner fits a recurrent pattern in the al Qaeda network of unsophisticated young men being recruited as helpers in terrorist attacks. FBI agents have told people they have interviewed about Hanjour that he "fit the personality to be manipulated and brainwashed."
Yet on the morning of Sept. 11, investigators have said, Hanjour was not one of the foot soldiers brought into the conspiracy merely to cow passengers in the cabin of the Boeing 757 as it streaked from Dulles International Airport toward Washington and the Pentagon.
He was in the cockpit.
Barely over 5 feet tall, skinny and boyish, Hanjour displayed a temperament and actions that were out of sync with those of his fellow pilots in several ways. Hanjour first arrived in the United States years before the others, and was one of just two suspected hijackers who held a student visa. He was the only alleged pilot who does not appear to have been part of an al Qaeda cell in Europe.
And while the three other suspected pilots -- Atta, Marwan Al-Shehhi and Ziad Jarrah -- had lived together in Hamburg, Germany, it remains unclear when and where Hanjour was folded into the plot.
In comparison to the more brazen Atta, who appears ubiquitous in the conspiracy, Hanjour casts a pale figure. For about a year in the late 1990s, Jose Salazar lived next door to the house Hanjour rented with a few other Middle Eastern men in Scottsdale, Ariz. Salazar remembers his neighbor as utterly unfriendly. One day, Salazar tossed a ball with his brother-in-law that rolled straight into Hanjour's path as he walked into his house. Hanjour did not even look up.
Over five years, Hanjour hopscotched among flight schools and airplane rental companies, but his instructors regarded him as a poor student, even in the weeks before the attacks.
Federal Aviation Administration records show he obtained a commercial pilot's license in April 1999, but how and where he did so remains a lingering question that FAA officials refuse to discuss. His limited flying abilities do afford an insight into one feature of the attacks: The conspiracy apparently did not include a surplus of skilled pilots.
Wes Fults, the former manager of the flight simulator at Sawyer School of Aviation in Phoenix, gave Hanjour a one-hour orientation lesson when he arrived as a new member of the school's "sim club" in 1998. "Mr. Hanjour was, if not dour, to some degree furtive. He never looked happy," Fults recalled. "He had only the barest understanding what the instruments were there to do."
Hanjour grew up in Taif, a popular resort city of 400,000 in a mountainous Saudi region. His father worked in a food-supply business. The middle child of seven, Hanjour was quiet, an average student with modest goals.
In an interview from Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, Abulrahman Hanjour recalled worrying about his brother's desire to become a flight attendant without a high school degree. He persuaded him to aim higher.
More religious than anyone else in the family, Hani Hanjour regularly visited the mosque near his family's home. But if he was involved in radical groups -- at home, in the United States or anywhere else -- no one in the family knew of it, his brother said.
It was Abulrahman Hanjour, 11 years older and far more worldly, who in 1990 gave Hanjour his first experience of America. Traveling frequently to the United States as part of his business exporting used American cars to Saudi Arabia, Abulrahman had stayed a few years earlier in Tucson, where some of his Saudi friends were University of Arizona students.
He signed up his younger brother for an eight-week English course at the university, and rented him a room nearby, taking care to choose a place near a mosque.
Hanjour's first stay in the United States was brief. After three months in Arizona, his brother said, he went home. For the next five years, he managed his family's lemon and date farm near Taif. He sometimes did common labor, at times filling water into irrigation tanks.
He did not, his brother believes, travel abroad during that period. He worked on what had been his grandfather's farm during the day and slept at his parents' house at night.
Hanjour's precise path from family farm to terrorist plot remains obscured. But by early 1996, he somehow had developed a desire to learn to fly in the United States.
It was a period when other members of the al Qaeda network were becoming pilots. Two years earlier, the Armed Islamic Group, which would fuse with al Qaeda, hijacked an Air France plane in Algeria with the intention of crashing it into the Eiffel Tower. They were stopped by French special forces at the Marseilles airport.
For his second trip to the United States, Hanjour's path was, once again, prepared by his brother. Abulrahman Hanjour placed a call from Saudi Arabia to Miramar, Fla., to ask a couple he had known from Tucson whether they would be willing to put him up.
Hani Hanjour stayed with Susan and Adnan Khalil for about a month during the spring of 1996 before beginning a series of unsuccessful stints at flight schools out west. Susan Khalil remembers him as socially inept, with poor English and "really bad hygiene. I had to have my husband get after him about bathing and changing his clothes." Khalil noticed a greenish film on Hanjour's teeth after a few weeks; he had been too timid to ask for a toothbrush.
He prayed frequently, at their home and at a nearby mosque. Susan Khalil was struck by how different he was from his older brother, who liked parties and drinking.
Hanjour moved from Florida to northern California, where he lived from late April to early September, said Andrew Black, a spokesman for the FBI's San Francisco office. For most of that time, he studied in an intensive English program at the ELS Language Centers on the campus of Holy Names College in Oakland, said Mike Palm, a spokesman for the school.
The school arranged for Hanjour to live with a host family. FBI officials who have interviewed that family and others who knew Hanjour in Oakland say he is remembered as a "quiet, introverted individual."
While in Oakland, he enrolled at the Sierra Academy of Aeronautics. He attended a 30-minute class on Sept. 8 and never came back. Dan Shaffer, the academy's vice president for flight operations, speculated that Hanjour was intimidated by the school's two-year training regimen and $35,000 price tag.
The next month, he turned up in Arizona, a magnet for aspiring pilots because of its clear weather and relatively affordable flight schools. Hanjour paid $3,800 by check and $1,000 in cash for lessons at CRM Flight Cockpit Resource Management in Scottsdale.
During three months of instruction in late 1996, Duncan K. M. Hastie, CRM's owner, found Hanjour a "weak student" who "was wasting our resources." Hanjour left, then returned in December 1997 -- a year later -- and stayed only a few weeks.
Over the next three years, Hanjour called Hastie about twice a year, asking to come back for more instruction.
"I would recognize his voice," Hastie said. "He was always talking about wanting more training. Yes, he wanted to be an airline pilot. That was his stated goal. That's why I didn't allow him to come back. I thought, 'You're never going to make it.' "
The last time Hanjour called, sometime last year, he was asking to train on a Boeing 757, the kind of aircraft he is believed to have crashed into the Pentagon.
Rebuffed by Hastie, Hanjour went elsewhere. In 1998, he joined the simulator club at Sawyer, a small Phoenix school known locally as a flight school of last resort. "It was a commonly held truth that, if you failed anywhere else, go to Sawyer Aviation. They had good instructors," said Fults, the former simulator manager there.
Sawyer's simulator is in a closet-sized room that students and pilots alike use to practice the basics of instrument flight. Fults remembers Hanjour as "a neophyte. . . . The impression I got is he came and, like a lot of guys, got overwhelmed with the instruments." He used the simulator perhaps three or four more times, Fults said, then "disappeared like a fog."
As he had been at CRM, Hanjour was alone as he trained that year at Sawyer. But in a sequence of events that is intriguing in retrospect, Hanjour missed by less than a month another Middle Eastern man who joined Sawyer's simulator club. Lotfi Raissi never mentioned Hanjour, Fults said. Raissi often came in with three or four Arabic men, who crammed into the simulator and seemed to be his prot?g?s. Fults, who left Sawyer early last year, is unsure who the men were, but says Hanjour was not one of them.
Today, Raissi is being held in London on a U.S. extradition warrant, accused of training Hanjour and three other hijackers. British prosecutors have said that Raissi and Hanjour attended the same flight schools and that a computer seized in Raissi's apartment in England contained a video clip of the two men. During the past two summers, they were together at the Sawyer simulator, according to various employees who worked there after Fults had left.
Hanjour's training at CRM also overlapped with that of another man who investigators are looking at closely: Faisal M. Al Salmi. A federal indictment unsealed Friday in Arizona alleges that Al Salmi spoke with Hanjour several times and subsequently lied to investigators. But the indictment does not accuse Al Salmi of a role in the plot.
That plot was in high gear by the second week of August, when Hanjour arrived in the Washington area for what appears to have been his final preparation -- this time, at Freeway Airport in Bowie. Instructors once again questioned his competence. After three sessions in a single-engine plane, the school decided Hanjour was not ready to rent a plane by himself.
Exactly how much time Hanjour spent in the United States between 1996 and this year remains hazy.
Unlike Atta, who is remembered vividly by many who encountered him for his boorishness -- his haggling over prices, his sullen attitude toward women -- Hanjour left a faint impression.
His known activity was mundane: He rented several cars in New Jersey starting last July, visited Las Vegas at least once over the summer while other conspirators may have been there and bought a week's gym membership in Greenbelt with the four other suspected terrorists who would board the Dulles flight less than two weeks later.
For at least part of last year, Hanjour appears to have been in Saudi Arabia, because it was there that he obtained a student visa to take another English course. He applied in September 2000 for another four-week course at the same Oakland language school he attended four years earlier.
He did not show up, and the school contacted its representative in Saudi Arabia who had handled his application, according to Palm, the school spokesman. Palm said the Saudi person did not know Hanjour's intention, and the school decided he was among the 10 percent of its students who fail to appear.
INS documents say that Hanjour entered the United States last December, a month after the class began.
According to his brother, Hanjour was last in touch with his family early last spring. He told his mother he was calling from a pay phone in the United Arab Emirates, where his family believed he had gone in 1999 to find a pilot's job.
That phone call appears to have been placed about the same time that Hanjour was in Paterson, N.J., shopping for an apartment with a younger man who would, months later, allegedly board the plane with Hanjour and force it into the Pentagon.
During that final conversation, Hanjour told his family he would telephone again when he had his own phone number. He might, he said, come home for a visit in about a month. But the man who so often seemed to fade in and out once again didn't appear." -Washington Post (10/15/01)
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Re: pandora's black box flight 77 -- pilots show the truth
"I am an ex Naval line officer and a psychiatrist in private practice in New Orleans, a Christian and homeschool dad. It troubled me a great deal that we rushed off to war on the flimsiest of evidence. I considered various ways to provide a smoking gun of who and why Sept 11th happened. Astute observers noticed right away that there were no Arabic sounding names on any of the flight manifests of the planes that ?crashed? on that day.
A list of names on a piece of paper is not evidence, but an autopsy by a pathologist, is. I undertook by FOIA request, to obtain that autopsy list and you are invited to view it below. Guess what? Still no Arabs on the list. It is my opinion that the monsters who planned this crime made a mistake by not including Arabic names on the original list to make the ruse seem more believable." -Sierra Times (07/06/03)
"I am an ex Naval line officer and a psychiatrist in private practice in New Orleans, a Christian and homeschool dad. It troubled me a great deal that we rushed off to war on the flimsiest of evidence. I considered various ways to provide a smoking gun of who and why Sept 11th happened. Astute observers noticed right away that there were no Arabic sounding names on any of the flight manifests of the planes that ?crashed? on that day.
A list of names on a piece of paper is not evidence, but an autopsy by a pathologist, is. I undertook by FOIA request, to obtain that autopsy list and you are invited to view it below. Guess what? Still no Arabs on the list. It is my opinion that the monsters who planned this crime made a mistake by not including Arabic names on the original list to make the ruse seem more believable." -Sierra Times (07/06/03)
Doc Mercer
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Re: pandora's black box flight 77 -- pilots show the truth
Here is the official info about these "hijackers". Many of the real identities are still alive. The FBI ignored these facts during 2001-2002 and never updated their suspect list.
"Official Pilots":
1) Waleed Alshehri, AA11, North Tower WTC. Name not on passenger list. Believed to be a pilot, though first reports said, his brother might have been a pilot, too. CNN reported (-> Hijackers, alive) on him: Possible confused identity with the son of a Saudi Arabian diplomat
Father Mohammad Alsheri said in a "20-20"- interview, Waleed had no flying experience. Then he left for the first time in his live his town for a trip to Medina. His father said, he had a strong sense of humour, was live loving, in contact with his father and called him in January 2001, 8 months before 911, he would be "on his way home". He never called back. His father never got an official visit by the FBI and learned from his son's death from the news and local newspapers. Saudi Authrities told him, that they had no hard evidence, that his son was involved in the hijack.
2) Mohammad Atta, AA 11, North Tower WTC Name not on passenger list. Believed to be the pilot of that plane. Instead of thinking about committing suicide only, he officially applied for a student visa, together with Marwan Al-Shehhi. These visas arrived after a "bureaucratic backlog" in March 2001 at Al-Shehhis flight school Huffmann Aviation by Rudi Dekkers. Author Daniel Hopsinker linked Huffmann Aviation to the CIA connected company For odd reasons an AP story said, "On the form, filled out by a Huffman assistant, Atta's name is spelled "Mohomed." Due to local reports Dekkers assistant who filled these visas out, Nicole Antini, was just then being sexually harassed by Rudi Dekkers, her beefy middle-aged boss, according to a lawsuit for sexual harassment which Dekker's was forced to settle recently for an undisclosed sum. In 2001, the Mossad observed various muslim students, who trained at military flight schools, including Mohammad Atta and warned the CIA twice of a possible terrorist attack. Leaked to the european press in late 2002, early 2003, it came out, that Mohammad Atta was even observed since 1998 by german intelligence, regarding his contacts (See Mamoun Darkanzali). This fits with other articles on Darkanzali, who was in contact with some spanish suspects, which telephone had been tapped. In another article it was reported, that the CIA tried to hire Darkanzali as an informant.
3) Hani Hanjour, AA77, Pentagon Name not on passenger list. Believed to be the pilot of that plane. It was said, he held a commercial pilot's license that expired in October, 1999. It was stated, that Lotfi Raissi was his flying teacher. But Raissi,who was arrested in September 2001 in United Kingdom, was plead unguilty in February 2002 and is free again. 4) Marwan Al-Shehhi, UA 175, South Tower WTC. Name not on passenger list. Believed to be the pilot of that plane. Instead of thinking about committing suicide only, he officially applied for a student visa. These visas arrived after a "bureaucratic backlog" in March 2001 at Al-Shehhis flight school Huffmann Aviation. Author Daniel Hopsicker linked Huffmann Aviation (->) to a CIA connected company
The accomplices:
5) Saeed Alghamdi, UA93, Pennsylvannia Name not on passenger list. CNN reported (-> Hijackers, alive) on him: "Identity is disputed" The real Saeed Alghamdi said to newspaper Asharq Al Awsat, he is still alive and pilot for Saudi Airlines. Saudi Airlines said once it was considering legal action against the FBI for seriously damaging its reputation and that of its pilots.
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6) Ahmad Ibrahim A. Al Haznawi, UA93, Pennsylvannia Name not on passenger list.
7) Ahmed Alnami UA93, Pennsylvannia Name not on passenger list. Father Abdullah Alnami said to "20/20" (Barbara Walters) his son left home for the first time in his life -- six months before the attacks, and believes, he is innocent. Another Abdullah Alnami said (before the photos had been released!), he is administrative supervisor with Saudi Arabian Airlines and was in Riyadh when the terrorists struck.
8) Ziad Samir Jarrah, UA93, Pennsylvannia Name not on passenger list. Believed to be the pilot of that plane.
9) Fayez Rashid Ahmed Hassan Al Qadi Banihammad, UA 175, South Tower WTC. Name not on passenger list.
10) Wail M. Alshehri, , AA11, North Tower WTC. Name not on passenger list. CNN reported (-> Hijackers, alive) on him: Possible confused identity with the son of a Saudi Arabian diplomat Father thinks, he and his brother are innocent.
11) Satam M.A. Al Suqami, AA11, North Tower WTC Name not on passenger list.
12) Abdulaziz Alomari, AA11, North Tower WTC Name not on passenger list. CNN reported (-> Hijackers, alive) on Alomari: "Identity is in dispute" The real Abdulaziz Alomari is alive and an engineer with Saudi Telecoms and claims, his passport was once stolen in Denver. Another Abdulaziz Al Omari is pilot for Saudi Arabian Airlines.
13) Khalid Almihdhar, AA77, Pentagon Name not on passenger list. CNN reported (-> Hijackers, alive) on him: "May be an assumed name; there are reports he is still alive" The real Khalid Al Midhar in fact said, he is alive.
14) Majed Moqed, AA77, Pentagon Name not on passenger list.
15) Nawaf Alhazmi,AA77, Pentagon Name not on passenger list.
16) Salem Alhazmi, AA77, Pentagon Name not on passenger list. CNN reported (-> Hijackers, alive) on him: "May be a a stolen identity"
The real Al-Hamzi is 26. In September 2001 he had just returned to work at a petrochemical complex in the industrial eastern city of Yanbou.
17) Ahmed Alghamdi, UA 175, South Tower WTC. Name not on passenger list. CNN reported (-> Hijackers, alive) on him: "Lost his driver's license in 1995 for failing to pay a traffic fine, ...Bought plane ticket on August 29 through the Internet using a Mailboxes Etc. address"
18) Hamza Alghamdi, UA 175, South Tower WTC. Name not on passenger list.
19) Mohand Alshehri, UA 175, South Tower WTC. Name not on passenger list. CNN reported (-> Hijackers, alive) on Alsheri: "Saudi Embassy has named Alshehri as a victim of mistaken identity" It is claimed, that he communicated with other hijack plotters. He once asked to use the Internet at a public library in Delray Beach, Florida.
Sources: Revealed: the men with stolen identities - Telegraph
ABC, 20/20 allafrica.com/stories/200109210084.html
BBC NEWS | World | Middle East | Hijack 'suspects' alive and well
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Now Updated: No Arabs on Flight 77: Part II -The Passengers
I am an ex Naval line officer and a psychiatrist in private practice in New Orleans, a Christian and homeschool dad. It troubled me a great deal that we rushed off to war on the flimsiest of evidence. I considered various ways to provide a smoking gun of who and why Sept 11th happened. Astute observers noticed right away that there were no Arabic sounding names on any of the flight manifests of the planes that �crashed� on that day.[/SIZE][/FONT] <table align="right" border="5" width="20%"> <tbody> <tr> <td height="15">
When airline disasters occur, airlines will routinely provide a manifest list for anxious families. You may have noticed that even before September 11th, that airlines are pretty meticulous about getting an accurate headcount before takeoff. It seems very unlikely to me, that five Arabs sneaked onto a flight with weapons.
This is the list provided by American of the 56 passengers:
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On September 27th, the FBI published photos of the �hijackers� of Flight 77:
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology (AFIP), does a miraculous job and identified nearly all the bodies on November 16th 2001.
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Now, being the trusting sort, I figured that the government would want to quickly dispel any rumors so we could get on with the chore of kicking Osama/Sadaam�s butt (weren�t these originally two different people?). It seemed simple to me. . .produce the names of all the bodies identified by the AFIP and compare it with the publicized list of passengers. So, I sent a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request to the AFIP and asked for an expedited response, because we were getting ready to send our boys to war on the pretext that Osama/Sadaam had done the deed. Fourteen months later, a few US soldiers dead, many Iraqi civilians pushing up daisies, and I finally get the list. Believe me that they weren�t a bit happy to give it up, and I really have no idea why they choose now to release it.
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Here is the official info about these "hijackers". Many of the real identities are still alive. The FBI ignored these facts during 2001-2002 and never updated their suspect list.
"Official Pilots":
1) Waleed Alshehri, AA11, North Tower WTC. Name not on passenger list. Believed to be a pilot, though first reports said, his brother might have been a pilot, too. CNN reported (-> Hijackers, alive) on him: Possible confused identity with the son of a Saudi Arabian diplomat
Father Mohammad Alsheri said in a "20-20"- interview, Waleed had no flying experience. Then he left for the first time in his live his town for a trip to Medina. His father said, he had a strong sense of humour, was live loving, in contact with his father and called him in January 2001, 8 months before 911, he would be "on his way home". He never called back. His father never got an official visit by the FBI and learned from his son's death from the news and local newspapers. Saudi Authrities told him, that they had no hard evidence, that his son was involved in the hijack.
2) Mohammad Atta, AA 11, North Tower WTC Name not on passenger list. Believed to be the pilot of that plane. Instead of thinking about committing suicide only, he officially applied for a student visa, together with Marwan Al-Shehhi. These visas arrived after a "bureaucratic backlog" in March 2001 at Al-Shehhis flight school Huffmann Aviation by Rudi Dekkers. Author Daniel Hopsinker linked Huffmann Aviation to the CIA connected company For odd reasons an AP story said, "On the form, filled out by a Huffman assistant, Atta's name is spelled "Mohomed." Due to local reports Dekkers assistant who filled these visas out, Nicole Antini, was just then being sexually harassed by Rudi Dekkers, her beefy middle-aged boss, according to a lawsuit for sexual harassment which Dekker's was forced to settle recently for an undisclosed sum. In 2001, the Mossad observed various muslim students, who trained at military flight schools, including Mohammad Atta and warned the CIA twice of a possible terrorist attack. Leaked to the european press in late 2002, early 2003, it came out, that Mohammad Atta was even observed since 1998 by german intelligence, regarding his contacts (See Mamoun Darkanzali). This fits with other articles on Darkanzali, who was in contact with some spanish suspects, which telephone had been tapped. In another article it was reported, that the CIA tried to hire Darkanzali as an informant.
3) Hani Hanjour, AA77, Pentagon Name not on passenger list. Believed to be the pilot of that plane. It was said, he held a commercial pilot's license that expired in October, 1999. It was stated, that Lotfi Raissi was his flying teacher. But Raissi,who was arrested in September 2001 in United Kingdom, was plead unguilty in February 2002 and is free again. 4) Marwan Al-Shehhi, UA 175, South Tower WTC. Name not on passenger list. Believed to be the pilot of that plane. Instead of thinking about committing suicide only, he officially applied for a student visa. These visas arrived after a "bureaucratic backlog" in March 2001 at Al-Shehhis flight school Huffmann Aviation. Author Daniel Hopsicker linked Huffmann Aviation (->) to a CIA connected company
The accomplices:
5) Saeed Alghamdi, UA93, Pennsylvannia Name not on passenger list. CNN reported (-> Hijackers, alive) on him: "Identity is disputed" The real Saeed Alghamdi said to newspaper Asharq Al Awsat, he is still alive and pilot for Saudi Airlines. Saudi Airlines said once it was considering legal action against the FBI for seriously damaging its reputation and that of its pilots.
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6) Ahmad Ibrahim A. Al Haznawi, UA93, Pennsylvannia Name not on passenger list.
7) Ahmed Alnami UA93, Pennsylvannia Name not on passenger list. Father Abdullah Alnami said to "20/20" (Barbara Walters) his son left home for the first time in his life -- six months before the attacks, and believes, he is innocent. Another Abdullah Alnami said (before the photos had been released!), he is administrative supervisor with Saudi Arabian Airlines and was in Riyadh when the terrorists struck.
8) Ziad Samir Jarrah, UA93, Pennsylvannia Name not on passenger list. Believed to be the pilot of that plane.
9) Fayez Rashid Ahmed Hassan Al Qadi Banihammad, UA 175, South Tower WTC. Name not on passenger list.
10) Wail M. Alshehri, , AA11, North Tower WTC. Name not on passenger list. CNN reported (-> Hijackers, alive) on him: Possible confused identity with the son of a Saudi Arabian diplomat Father thinks, he and his brother are innocent.
11) Satam M.A. Al Suqami, AA11, North Tower WTC Name not on passenger list.
12) Abdulaziz Alomari, AA11, North Tower WTC Name not on passenger list. CNN reported (-> Hijackers, alive) on Alomari: "Identity is in dispute" The real Abdulaziz Alomari is alive and an engineer with Saudi Telecoms and claims, his passport was once stolen in Denver. Another Abdulaziz Al Omari is pilot for Saudi Arabian Airlines.
13) Khalid Almihdhar, AA77, Pentagon Name not on passenger list. CNN reported (-> Hijackers, alive) on him: "May be an assumed name; there are reports he is still alive" The real Khalid Al Midhar in fact said, he is alive.
14) Majed Moqed, AA77, Pentagon Name not on passenger list.
15) Nawaf Alhazmi,AA77, Pentagon Name not on passenger list.
16) Salem Alhazmi, AA77, Pentagon Name not on passenger list. CNN reported (-> Hijackers, alive) on him: "May be a a stolen identity"
The real Al-Hamzi is 26. In September 2001 he had just returned to work at a petrochemical complex in the industrial eastern city of Yanbou.
17) Ahmed Alghamdi, UA 175, South Tower WTC. Name not on passenger list. CNN reported (-> Hijackers, alive) on him: "Lost his driver's license in 1995 for failing to pay a traffic fine, ...Bought plane ticket on August 29 through the Internet using a Mailboxes Etc. address"
18) Hamza Alghamdi, UA 175, South Tower WTC. Name not on passenger list.
19) Mohand Alshehri, UA 175, South Tower WTC. Name not on passenger list. CNN reported (-> Hijackers, alive) on Alsheri: "Saudi Embassy has named Alshehri as a victim of mistaken identity" It is claimed, that he communicated with other hijack plotters. He once asked to use the Internet at a public library in Delray Beach, Florida.
Sources: Revealed: the men with stolen identities - Telegraph
ABC, 20/20 allafrica.com/stories/200109210084.html
BBC NEWS | World | Middle East | Hijack 'suspects' alive and well
www.sueddeutsche.de/index.php?url=/ausland/weltspiegel/25472/index.php
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<hr> Lists of victims
In the aftermath of the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center in New York, the Pentagon near Washington, D.C., and the crash of United Airlines flight 93, officials across the country are working to piece together lists of victims.
While the official number of those missing and dead will inevitably rise over the next few weeks, authorities from American Airlines, United Airlines, the Department of Defense, the New York City Medical Examiners Office and the New York City Fire Department, have released partial lists. They are linked below.
AMERICAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 11 |
AMERICAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 77 |
UNITED AIRLINES FLIGHT 175 |
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Now Updated: No Arabs on Flight 77: Part II -The Passengers
I am an ex Naval line officer and a psychiatrist in private practice in New Orleans, a Christian and homeschool dad. It troubled me a great deal that we rushed off to war on the flimsiest of evidence. I considered various ways to provide a smoking gun of who and why Sept 11th happened. Astute observers noticed right away that there were no Arabic sounding names on any of the flight manifests of the planes that �crashed� on that day.[/SIZE][/FONT] <table align="right" border="5" width="20%"> <tbody> <tr> <td height="15">
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</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]A list of names on a piece of paper is not evidence, but an autopsy by a pathologist, is. I undertook by FOIA request, to obtain that autopsy list and you are invited to view it below. Guess what? Still no Arabs on the list. It is my opinion that the monsters who planned this crime made a mistake by not including Arabic names on the original list to make the ruse seem more believable.<table style="font-weight: bold;" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody> <tr> <td> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-2]Click on Image for Full Size Graphic[/SIZE][/FONT]
When airline disasters occur, airlines will routinely provide a manifest list for anxious families. You may have noticed that even before September 11th, that airlines are pretty meticulous about getting an accurate headcount before takeoff. It seems very unlikely to me, that five Arabs sneaked onto a flight with weapons.
This is the list provided by American of the 56 passengers:
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On September 27th, the FBI published photos of the �hijackers� of Flight 77:
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology (AFIP), does a miraculous job and identified nearly all the bodies on November 16th 2001.
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</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> The AFIP suggest these numbers; 189 killed, 125 worked at the Pentagon and 64 were �passengers� on the plane. The AA list only had 56 and the list just obtained has 58. They did not explain how they were able to tell �victims� bodies from �hijacker� bodies. In fact, from the beginning NO explanation has been given for the extra five suggested in news reports except that the FBI showed us the pictures to make up the difference, and that makes it so.<table style="font-weight: bold;" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody> <tr> <td> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <script type="text/javascript" src="http://3.adbrite.com/mb/text_group.php?sid=32798&col=3&br=1&dk=737079776172655f365f325f776562"> </script><table id="mbtb" class="adbrite_table" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td id="mbtd" valign="top" width="33%">AceTicket.com
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Now, being the trusting sort, I figured that the government would want to quickly dispel any rumors so we could get on with the chore of kicking Osama/Sadaam�s butt (weren�t these originally two different people?). It seemed simple to me. . .produce the names of all the bodies identified by the AFIP and compare it with the publicized list of passengers. So, I sent a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request to the AFIP and asked for an expedited response, because we were getting ready to send our boys to war on the pretext that Osama/Sadaam had done the deed. Fourteen months later, a few US soldiers dead, many Iraqi civilians pushing up daisies, and I finally get the list. Believe me that they weren�t a bit happy to give it up, and I really have no idea why they choose now to release it.
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</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> No Arabs wound up on the morgue slab; however, three ADDITIONAL people not listed by American Airline sneaked in. I have seen no explanation for these extras. I did give American the opportunity to �revise� their original list, but they have not responded. The new names are: Robert Ploger, Zandra Ploger, and Sandra Teague. The AFIP claims that the only �passenger� body that they were not able to identify is the toddler, Dana Falkenberg, whose parents and young sister are on the list of those identified. The satanic masterminds behind this caper may be feeling pretty smug about the perfect crime, but they have left a raft of clues tying these unfortunates together. Stay tuned for part two to take a much closer look of the cast of characters on this ill-fated flight.<table style="font-weight: bold;" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody> <tr> <td> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-2]Click on Image for Full Size Graphic[/SIZE][/FONT]
Doc Mercer
EOG Master
Re: pandora's black box flight 77 -- pilots show the truth
Just "amazing" .... simply "amazing"
Just "amazing" .... simply "amazing"
Doc Mercer
EOG Master
Re: pandora's black box flight 77 -- pilots show the truth
Times like this one "almost" misses BatemanPatrick jumping in with "fantastic" feedback that "educates" one and all who has an "open" mind ...
I swear he has to be a very close relative of Nicolas
Times like this one "almost" misses BatemanPatrick jumping in with "fantastic" feedback that "educates" one and all who has an "open" mind ...
I swear he has to be a very close relative of Nicolas
DimeDR
Banned
Re: pandora's black box flight 77 -- pilots show the truth
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DimeDR
Banned
Re: pandora's black box flight 77 -- pilots show the truth
maxi, you need to check this out, this is info released by your precious neocon gov. from the FOIA that reveals the flight path they preported came from flight 77, and shows beyond doubt that flight 77 never hit the pentagon ... are you afraid of pursuing the truth?? or do you just like seeing your icons laugh??? ...
these are the cold hard facts you clamor for ... take a gander and get back to us truthers who actually research and dont get our info from fox and cnn
have a great day, maxi
maxi, you need to check this out, this is info released by your precious neocon gov. from the FOIA that reveals the flight path they preported came from flight 77, and shows beyond doubt that flight 77 never hit the pentagon ... are you afraid of pursuing the truth?? or do you just like seeing your icons laugh??? ...
these are the cold hard facts you clamor for ... take a gander and get back to us truthers who actually research and dont get our info from fox and cnn
have a great day, maxi
DimeDR
Banned
Re: pandora's black box flight 77 -- pilots show the truth
no maxi, you are now embarrassing yourself, you wanted to bring it on, now you retreat with no marbles, real or imagined.. i have remained civil and you only curse me, but its all forgiven 12io4j2w90 ...
so give the pilots for the truth a little respect.... see, they know how to fly planes, unlike your phantoms, hani hanjour and mo atta, who learned their craft at dekkers flying circus ... http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/031403_dekkers.html
this is real, hard evidence, the strain you have screamed for ... roscoe and his cronies wont touch this, and you being so much wiser should be able to poke holes all thru this, right?
so please give it your full attention then get back to us truthers ...
no hard feelings here pal, we are only trying to help you see the light ...
so lighten up, kick up your feet, this has pictures, tho no laughing icons :+textinb3
but kidding aside, you have been a real swell foil and i wish you the best, but really maxi, give this a shot and get back to the gang with your interpretation bc we know you have it all figured out: 19 boxcutters w/o tix board planes they cannot fly etc etc ... but hold on, big guy, with this evidence right here at your fingertips, you wont be able to say that anymore, bc flight 77 misses the pentagon by 400'!!! and thats according to your gov. released info ... but dont believe me, just watch and learn what really happened that day, ok, pal? :houra
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6456867285177039347 true story of the venice flying circus and dekkers and atta
no maxi, you are now embarrassing yourself, you wanted to bring it on, now you retreat with no marbles, real or imagined.. i have remained civil and you only curse me, but its all forgiven 12io4j2w90 ...
so give the pilots for the truth a little respect.... see, they know how to fly planes, unlike your phantoms, hani hanjour and mo atta, who learned their craft at dekkers flying circus ... http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/031403_dekkers.html
this is real, hard evidence, the strain you have screamed for ... roscoe and his cronies wont touch this, and you being so much wiser should be able to poke holes all thru this, right?
so please give it your full attention then get back to us truthers ...
no hard feelings here pal, we are only trying to help you see the light ...
so lighten up, kick up your feet, this has pictures, tho no laughing icons :+textinb3
but kidding aside, you have been a real swell foil and i wish you the best, but really maxi, give this a shot and get back to the gang with your interpretation bc we know you have it all figured out: 19 boxcutters w/o tix board planes they cannot fly etc etc ... but hold on, big guy, with this evidence right here at your fingertips, you wont be able to say that anymore, bc flight 77 misses the pentagon by 400'!!! and thats according to your gov. released info ... but dont believe me, just watch and learn what really happened that day, ok, pal? :houra
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6456867285177039347 true story of the venice flying circus and dekkers and atta
MAXIM
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Re: pandora's black box flight 77 -- pilots show the truth
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...67285177039347
For a guy that praises himself on being so knowledgeable, you sure screw up a lot.
Thats all this conspiracy film proves, is that terrorists did in fact take
flying lessons there. Everybody in the world already knew that, big deal.
The people in this film also say that they did fly those planes into the WTC.
So let me think, you say they didn't fly those planes into WTC, they say they did.
You show us a this film that only proves YOU or THEM to be full of shit. Hmmm...
Looks to me like another case of [clumsy foot in mouth] by you once again.
Nice try though, gotta give you credit for trying to cover your ass somehow.
:LMAO
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...67285177039347
For a guy that praises himself on being so knowledgeable, you sure screw up a lot.
Thats all this conspiracy film proves, is that terrorists did in fact take
flying lessons there. Everybody in the world already knew that, big deal.
The people in this film also say that they did fly those planes into the WTC.
So let me think, you say they didn't fly those planes into WTC, they say they did.
You show us a this film that only proves YOU or THEM to be full of shit. Hmmm...
Looks to me like another case of [clumsy foot in mouth] by you once again.
Nice try though, gotta give you credit for trying to cover your ass somehow.
:LMAO
DimeDR
Banned
Re: pandora's black box flight 77 -- pilots show the truth
umm, as usual you duck the issue by lamely dragging a branch in the snow ... of course they admit to atta taking lessons, its their backstory, big guy, even you must comprehend what that means
and once again you sidestep pandoras blackbox, which is THE ISSUE here ... nice try but you failed to stay on topic and exposed yourself for what seems to challenge dimaggio's 56 ...
so lets get this straight for the record ...
maxi is afraid to address:
1. lloyd england
2. larry's PULL IT
3. pandoras black box (of course not one of you official story sheep have touched this HARD, IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE) :+textinb3
PS this list could stretch to buzz lightyear's INFINITY AND BEYOND!!
umm, as usual you duck the issue by lamely dragging a branch in the snow ... of course they admit to atta taking lessons, its their backstory, big guy, even you must comprehend what that means
and once again you sidestep pandoras blackbox, which is THE ISSUE here ... nice try but you failed to stay on topic and exposed yourself for what seems to challenge dimaggio's 56 ...
so lets get this straight for the record ...
maxi is afraid to address:
1. lloyd england
2. larry's PULL IT
3. pandoras black box (of course not one of you official story sheep have touched this HARD, IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE) :+textinb3
PS this list could stretch to buzz lightyear's INFINITY AND BEYOND!!
MAXIM
1
Re: pandora's black box flight 77 -- pilots show the truth
I told you a half a dozen times, i'm not here to answer your nonsense questions.
You seem to say "umm" a lot, isn't that what little kids say when their
caught with poo poo in their pants? :LMAO :LMAO :LMAO :LMAO :LMAO
You were just clearly caught AGAIN posting info that disputes YOUR OWN statements,
then of course [like you always do] you dodge those FACTS and ask another question.
Your a fraud plain and simple, you have nothing more than a bunch of conspiracy nonsense.
Everybody has already heard and seen all of that crap, none of it proves a thing.
Is that your big plan, just keep spitting out the nonsense, hopefully someone will bite?
~ STOP EMBARRASSING YOURSELF ~
I told you a half a dozen times, i'm not here to answer your nonsense questions.
You seem to say "umm" a lot, isn't that what little kids say when their
caught with poo poo in their pants? :LMAO :LMAO :LMAO :LMAO :LMAO
You were just clearly caught AGAIN posting info that disputes YOUR OWN statements,
then of course [like you always do] you dodge those FACTS and ask another question.
Your a fraud plain and simple, you have nothing more than a bunch of conspiracy nonsense.
Everybody has already heard and seen all of that crap, none of it proves a thing.
Is that your big plan, just keep spitting out the nonsense, hopefully someone will bite?
~ STOP EMBARRASSING YOURSELF ~
DimeDR
Banned
Re: pandora's black box flight 77 -- pilots show the truth
"poo in my pants," i knew you were polymorphous perverse, but thats kinda a stretch even for you ...
but i digress ... no maxi, you arent here to answer anything, thats the problem, you keep saying you are done, and i take that to mean, you have run out of ideas, bc all you do is insult ... so agreeing to that, which you have no alternative bc thats your consistent M.O., then you should either live up to your threat to slink away defeated, admitting you have no counters to the truth, or answer those three questions ...
please watch the title film to this thread and dispute it ... we truthers would just love to get your version... but once again you wont, you are defenseless and left with only ad hominems and clicking laughing icons ...
MAXI(mum) as usual to facing reality
"poo in my pants," i knew you were polymorphous perverse, but thats kinda a stretch even for you ...
but i digress ... no maxi, you arent here to answer anything, thats the problem, you keep saying you are done, and i take that to mean, you have run out of ideas, bc all you do is insult ... so agreeing to that, which you have no alternative bc thats your consistent M.O., then you should either live up to your threat to slink away defeated, admitting you have no counters to the truth, or answer those three questions ...
please watch the title film to this thread and dispute it ... we truthers would just love to get your version... but once again you wont, you are defenseless and left with only ad hominems and clicking laughing icons ...
MAXI(mum) as usual to facing reality
MAXIM
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Re: pandora's black box flight 77 -- pilots show the truth
uking:
Actually it comes out of your mouth daily, but that's close enough.
uking: