Every craps bet carries a negative expectation.
Steer clear of the craps table.
Money behind the pass or don’t pass is true odds. Playing behind it is one the best bets on the floor.
Understood.
Too bad there's an initial bet required.
Some aggressive Las Vegas casinos like the Horseshoe and a few establishments on Boulder Highway offered 100x odds back in the day.
I believe the Cromwell offers 100x odds on their craps tables right now.
bet the dont for the minimum, and bang the thundersticks when you win.
BTW wasn't there a big wager on dice control in the past? Was it Wong against Fezzik?
Seems like there was a very public battle about this and the side representing dice control came out on top.
Yep. Wong offered up to $100k that he and Little Joe could throw significantly fewer 7s than expected in 500 rolls. Fezzik took the other side of the bet for a smaller amount.
There is a one of six chance of rolling a 7 so an average of 83.3 sevens were expected in 500 rolls. They agreed to the OVER/UNDER # at 79.5. Wong and Joe shot 74 thus winning the bet.
More info can be found at :
A Look at Wong on Dice - Gambling With An Edge (lasvegasadvisor.com)
and
Gambling With an Edge guest Stanford Wong on dice control - YouTube
Bob, do you accept 500 rolls as proof of dice control?
Furthermore, you must assume the story is legit and not fabricated to sell books or videos.
John Ferguson apparently created an Asian-sounding pseudonym like Stanford Wong to improve book sales.
Ferguson assumed the market perceives the exotic-sounding Stanford Wong as smarter than a common fellow named John Ferguson.
Possible evidence that his dice control story could be fictitious as well?
Yep. Wong offered up to $100k that he and Little Joe could throw significantly fewer 7s than expected in 500 rolls. Fezzik took the other side of the bet for a smaller amount.
There is a one of six chance of rolling a 7 so an average of 83.3 sevens were expected in 500 rolls. They agreed to the OVER/UNDER # at 79.5. Wong and Joe shot 74 thus winning the bet.
More info can be found at :
A Look at Wong on Dice - Gambling With An Edge (lasvegasadvisor.com)
and
Gambling With an Edge guest Stanford Wong on dice control - YouTube
I saw a live game demonstration of dice control and walked away a believer. Just like the bet mentioned here, it wasn't on the idea that you could make the dice roll a certain number, but that you could slightly change the odds into the shooters favor. In this case it was intended to eliminate a bad number. Like if you had a point of 9, getting a "1" on one of the dies would make it impossible to win on that roll. I was told who the shooter would be because he always shot from the same position and then what to look for. I was also asked to just bet modestly on the game and not make it obvious what was expected. I was told what precisely to look for and the shooter was quite successful at it. It was a real skill that surely was practiced for a long time, I don't see why dice control couldn't be a real thing.
Was probably just 50-60 rolls, but there were a few distinct things about it. Stuff you'd never think about unless told to. Maybe the really experienced craps pit people might sense something after watching someone, but I suspect they don't hit the same casinos and shifts too often.How many rolls did it take for you to become a believer?