And some think the Poor pay Taxes...It is right here in Black and White

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The Times is still wrong on taxation



Oct 11, 2005
by Bruce Bartlett ( bio | archive | contact )

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<!-- /spotlight -->In its corporate wisdom, the New York Times recently decided to hide its most influential columnists behind a subscription wall. Now, those who have been accustomed to reading the likes of Paul Krugman and Maureen Dowd for free on the Internet will have to pay $50 per year for the privilege.

To make this proposition more attractive, the Times promised that it would provide a little something extra for subscribers. Apparently, this involves publishing articles by its editorial writers that are not good enough to appear in the print edition of the paper.

The first of these deals with taxation and appeared on Oct. 4. It was written by Times editorial board member Teresa Tritch, who writes most of its economic editorials. She lists her qualifications as having degrees in German and journalism, as well as years writing about personal finance for Money magazine?explaining why people should shop around for the lowest price before buying soap and things of that sort.

What really qualifies Ms. Tritch to lecture the rest of us about tax policy is an absolute conviction that our tax system is tilted too much toward the rich. To read her diatribe, one would think that the wealthy pay no taxes at all and that the tax burden falls almost entirely on the poor and middle class. One would also come away thinking that taxes do not affect economic growth in any way.

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According to Ms. Tritch, our tax system should serve one purpose and one purpose only?to soak the rich. Any reduction in tax rates, especially on saving and investment, has nothing to do with raising growth, but is nothing but a give-away to the ultra-wealthy. One can see now why she was hired by the Times despite a paucity of knowledge or experience in the field of economics.

The reality is that the wealthy pay almost all of the federal income tax and there is clear and compelling evidence that our tax system?especially its misguided redistributive elements?impose a heavy cost in terms of growth that is ultimately paid by the non-wealthy in the form of lower productivity and, hence, lower wages and incomes.

Interestingly, the latest Internal Revenue Service data on distribution of the tax burden were released the same day Ms. Tritch?s tirade appeared. They show that the top one percent of taxpayers paid 34.3 percent of all federal income taxes in 2003, although they earned just 16.8 percent of the adjusted gross income. The top five percent of taxpayers paid more than half of all federal income taxes, the top 10 percent paid two-thirds, and the top half of taxpayers paid 96.5 percent, meaning that the bottom half paid just 3.5 percent.

Another IRS report decomposed the top one percent and found that the top ten percent of the top one percent (the top 0.1 percent) increased their share of all federal income taxes from seven percent in 1980 to 15.3 percent in 2003. These 129,000 tax filers earned 7.6 percent of the income and paid an average tax rate of 23.6 percent. This came to $114.6 billion?four times more than all the taxes paid by the 64 million taxpayers in the bottom 50 percent?who paid an average tax rate of 2.9 percent.

I would be curious to know just how much more Ms. Tritch thinks the wealthy ought to be paying? Back in the good old days (from her point of view) when Jimmy Carter was president and the top statutory tax rate was 70 percent (versus 35 percent today), the top one percent of taxpayers paid only 19.7 percent of all federal income taxes. In other words, although their marginal tax rate has fallen by 50 percent, their tax share has almost doubled.

I assume that Ms. Tritch would be happier with the British tax system, where the top income tax rate is 40 percent. But according to British tax data, the top one percent of taxpayers there pay just 21 percent of income taxes. The top five percent pay 40 percent and the top 10 percent pay 52 percent. The bottom 50 percent pay 11 percent of all income taxes. In other words, wealthy British pay higher rates?as Ms. Tritch would have here?but pay less of the overall tax burden.

According to a new report from the U.S. Government Accountability Office, we pay a very heavy price for the heavy taxation of saving, investment, corporations and estates that Ms. Tritch strongly favors. It found that the efficiency cost of the tax system?the output that is lost over and above the tax itself?is between two percent and five percent of the gross domestic product. In short, we lose between $240 billion and $600 billion every year just because of the way we raise taxes.

<!--#include virtual="/includes/ads/ad-detail.inc" -->Bruce Bartlett is a senior fellow at the National Center for Policy Analysis, a Townhall.com partner organization.
 

ZZ CREAM

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Elininate earnings taxes and place a national tax on consumption -this would be fair to everyone.:+signs9-1
 

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Contact: Tom Wright or Genie Hayes, 1-800-FAIRTAX, both of FairTax.org
HOUSTON, Oct. 12 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Americans For Fair Taxation today blasted the reform panel tasked with suggesting fundamental changes to the tax system as, "Fraudulent political theater designed to protect the corrupt tax code and those who profit from its manipulation," said Leo Linbeck, chairman of the national grassroots organization. "When a Presidential panel engages in such activities it does a disservice to the American people."
Linbeck was reacting to early reports of the findings of the President's Advisory Panel on Federal Tax Reform. "They are moving around the deck chairs on a sinking ship but are trying to convince the American public that they are moving mountains," said Linbeck. The panel's report is due out on Nov. 1.
"The fact that the main proposals to emerge are limits on health insurance and mortgage interest deductions reveal the usual Washington mindset of how to more efficiently shear the taxpaying sheep," said Linbeck.
"We must have hit a nerve with our growing grassroots demand for a national retail sales tax because the panel ignored our multimillion dollar, decade-long research effort defining the proposed plan and instead invented their own phony and flawed national sales tax program and then found it wanting. The panel went to great lengths to conceal the substance of the FairTax proposal," said Linbeck. "The FairTax deserves a fair hearing. Instead, the panel was driven by the very Washington insiders and tax lobbyists who now profit so handsomely through manipulation of the code."
"While every American knows perfectly well that well-heeled lobbyists are manipulating the federal tax code for profit, this panel somehow ignored that reality and substituted cowardly politics for strong action. In the process they employed limited findings and let the American people, as well as President Bush, down," said Linbeck.
"Although the commission was charged with recommending fundamental change to an admittedly dysfunctional federal tax system, they have made it clear they will only propose tinkering around the edges of the current system to eliminate past Washington-driven "reforms" like the Alternative Minimum Tax. It is painfully obvious that Washington, D.C. insiders so closely linked with the status quo cannot be trusted to overturn the corrupt system of federal taxation. This effort will have to be driven by the American people," said Linbeck.
For more information contact:
Leo Linbeck, chairman, Americans For Fair Taxation, 713-966- 5846
Dan Mastromarco, economist, Americans For Fair Taxation, 202- 285-9097
David Burton, economist, Americans For Fair Taxation, 703-521- 3900 or 703-550-2058
Tom Wright, executive director, Americans For Fair Taxation, 727-793-9080
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You wanna know who else doesn't pay taxes? In 1998, companies such as Texaco, Enron, PepsiCo, Chevron, General Motors, Worldcom and General Electric received so much money in 'rebates' (corporate welfare) that they did not pay taxes.

It's one thing to argue against tax exemptions for the poor, quite another to NOT argue the same thing in the corporate sector, where the money really piles up.

Consider also that individual welfare as a sum is dwarfed by the amount of corporate welfare (in both of our countries, if you exclude our health care system). Consider also that the net cost of industry is never calculated in the same manner that the net cost of human activity is. Air pollution, judicial pursuit of corporate fraud, travelways maintenance, etc. are not factored into the equation.

I am all for the absolute elimination of government and corporate mutual back scratching. Then we would see what stuff REALLY costs society and corporate power in a political environment could be nulled.
 

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Corporations have never paid taxes out of thier pockets.....They passed the cost of the Taxes on to the Employees and in thier products....if it were not for the Tax Breaks these corporations get the cost of products would be Extremely High and they would quit Expanding and would have to eliminate jobs...I know when I owned my Company I put all my taxes into my final Price and the Customer paid them.....Once I deposited the check it went into my Tax account.


How many Jobs did Poor people Create in either of our Countires????? NONE



How many Jobs did The Wealthy create and still create every day????? almost All of them
 
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I have to leave now so will reply when I get back. Dirty, this one's gonna be a doozie!

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Pile on big business, go ahead... Tax breaks, polluters, corportate fraud, blah, blah blahhhhh...

The business of America IS business. How many people does General Motors employ?? Those people have families, those families have needs, needs are met at Wal-Mart (bash-a-thon for another time Xpanda), how many people does Wal-Mart employ? and the circle gets bigger and bigger.

What is good for business is good for America. Don't like Exxon and Haliburton profits? Buy Exxon and Haliburton stock.

Attention all whiners: Keep up or get left behind.
 

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Jimmy Hoffa said:
Pile on big business, go ahead... Tax breaks, polluters, corportate fraud, blah, blah blahhhhh...

The business of America IS business. How many people does General Motors employ?? Those people have families, those families have needs, needs are met at Wal-Mart (bash-a-thon for another time Xpanda), how many people does Wal-Mart employ? and the circle gets bigger and bigger.

What is good for business is good for America. Don't like Exxon and Haliburton profits? Buy Exxon and Haliburton stock.

Attention all whiners: Keep up or get left behind.
Nice talk coming from a reknowned Union Boss - Jimmy would be rolling over in his endzone!
 
ZZ CREAM said:
Nice talk coming from a reknowned Union Boss - Jimmy would be rolling over in his endzone!
Without big business there wouldn't be many union members. General Motors is still a UNION (UAW) shop ZZ.

Wal-Mart..........well that's another story.
 
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