FairWarning
Bells Beer Connoisseur
BGB - Nine losses when leading in the 4Q under Flus. Another lost year, it’s all about the qb not getting hurt now.
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Want to see BGB defined? How about find yourself down big, a complete awful 1st half, but somehow you claw your way back. 46 seconds left, down 23-20, 1st and 10 from the Detroit 25. Only a momumental f-up keeps the game from going to OT. But not with the Bears. Once again, they flew too close to the sun, and crashed and burned. BGB,
Viejo Dinosaur
EOG Master
Bears coach should be fired by the morning….no excuse what happened with over 30 seconds left in the final quarter
Murphy’s Best
EOG Dedicated
Coach is a buffoon but you mean to tell me Caleb or anyone else did not realize the situation & would not call a timeout?!?!? I know middle school kids with more sense than these guys!
railbird
EOG Master
what abt libtard qb with the fingernail polish taking his dear time
Caleb says not his decision on when to call timeout... throwing the coach under bus.
Fair enough...the coach should tell him there is no excuse for getting sacked on the previous play....he has to get rid of the ball.
kane
EOG master
Eberflus committed coaching malpractice by not calling for time, there would have been 32 seconds on the clock, they only needed 5-8 yards to attempt a kick, they could have even run the ball and had plenty of time to get the FG unit on the field, after the game he gave some convoluted reason as to why he didn't call the TO, the guy has no business being a head coach, he needs to go
Shades of the Green Bay game when the idiot decided to let over 30 seconds of clock wind down to settle for a 47 yard FG when he could've run 2-3 more plays. You gain an extra 8-10 yards and Santos doesn't have a lower trajectory kick, which was ultimately blocked. Once again, after the game, he was convinced he was right.
kane
EOG master
That's the other thing that was bad, instead of just admitting he made an error in judgement, he instead doubles down and insists he did the right thing. After the game Keenan Allen was asked about the end game and he said something like "I feel as players we did enough to win", while he didn't exactly throw his coach under the bus, you could tell in the interview he wanted to
texaswizzard
EOG Dedicated
The Bears at 4-8 are one of the most talented last place teams in recent memory. If Jim Harbaugh was coaching this team is there any doubt they would be 8-4 or 9-3?
Patrick McIrish
OCCams raZOR
Bear fans don't want to hear it but BIG BIG difference in Mahomes and Caleb.
The former figures out new ways to win, Caleb seems to find a way to lose.
No question the coaching staff is part of it, no doubt, but in this game you just have to know not to take a sack there.
GET RID OF THE FOOTBALL.
Unless kicker misses you are all but guaranteed at least OT, with a freeroll to win.
Yet they don't even get a kick off and lose outright.
IMO coach carries the majority of blame for time management but they should have never been in that situation.
The on field execution by the players was poor as well.
The former figures out new ways to win, Caleb seems to find a way to lose.
No question the coaching staff is part of it, no doubt, but in this game you just have to know not to take a sack there.
GET RID OF THE FOOTBALL.
Unless kicker misses you are all but guaranteed at least OT, with a freeroll to win.
Yet they don't even get a kick off and lose outright.
IMO coach carries the majority of blame for time management but they should have never been in that situation.
The on field execution by the players was poor as well.
Good points but a blocked FG lost a Bears game and won a game for KC. Another thing is the difference between the coaches is much bigger than the difference in QBs. Can Mahomes get comeback player of the year if his second half is better than the first half of the season?
I'll put 5-10% of it on Williams. The rest of it is on Uberflawed. His priors come into play. He's ALWAYS making the wrong decision, then he arrogantly doubles down on his stupidity. He's a decent DC. That's his ceiling. He's not head coaching material.
Patrick McIrish
OCCams raZOR
I disagree on the 5-10%, I believe that should be much higher.
The rest of it is spot on, for sure that guy needed to be gone......
Reminds me of Staley last year, dumb decision after dumb decision then doubles down on his stupidity when questioned.
The rest of it is spot on, for sure that guy needed to be gone......
Reminds me of Staley last year, dumb decision after dumb decision then doubles down on his stupidity when questioned.
Patrick McIrish
OCCams raZOR
If I had to characterize the teams this season I would say KC has been very lucky, the Bears very unlucky.
However the fact Javy thinks Caleb is a better QB because his stats are better is mind-boggling to me.
You and I have agreed on certain things about Mahomes, for example no question they are more reliant on their defense now.
Where we disagree is that somehow that's a point against Mahomes. To me that's a feather in his cap.....
He won when they ran up and down the field outscoring everyone. Now they play close ball games and rely on the defense yet he still wins.
To me that's the epitome of a great QB - adjust and win. That's his job, figure out how to win, not please all the fantasy geeks.
Caleb is young and for sure has talent but he's not even in the same universe as Mahomes at this point, I don't care what the "stats" say.
That's just ridiculous to really believe that.
It was worse than first thought. Caleb audibled out of the last play, took all that time, then threw a long pass.
texaswizzard
EOG Dedicated
If I had to say there are two front runners to be the next Head Coach they would be:
1. Ben Johnson - Detroit Lions OC
2. Brian Flores - Minnesota Vikings DC
3. Bill Belichick - Former NE Patriots HC
I personally think they go with Ben Johnson if he will accept the job as they need an offensive mind. Their defense is fine. Their offense is a mess. The only problem is Ben Johnson who will for sure be a Head Coach next year may not want to compete against his old team the Lions twice a year in by far the toughest division in the NFL.
1. Ben Johnson - Detroit Lions OC
2. Brian Flores - Minnesota Vikings DC
3. Bill Belichick - Former NE Patriots HC
I personally think they go with Ben Johnson if he will accept the job as they need an offensive mind. Their defense is fine. Their offense is a mess. The only problem is Ben Johnson who will for sure be a Head Coach next year may not want to compete against his old team the Lions twice a year in by far the toughest division in the NFL.
kane
EOG master
Pat, sometimes we agree, sometimes we don't, but I have to say I 100% agree with everything in this post, and I mean absolutely everything.
The Chiefs have seemingly gotten every break this year, every bounce has gone their way, they could easily have 3 or 4 losses, the Bears have been unlucky.
Javy thinking Williams is better than Mahomes is laugh out loud funny, but he's the ultimate homer, he sees everything through Chicago colored glasses, remember he's the guy who thought Jay Cutler was one of the best QB's when he was playing.
You make a great point about Mahomes, the early part of his career he was putting up big numbers and the offense was among the league's best, the Chiefs defense was average so he needed to outscore teams to win, the past couple of years their defense has been greatly improved, so he's become more of a game manager, but that's by design, game managers are guys who are limited physically, guys that don't have a strong arm and aren't as athletic, so they get the most out of their ability and aren't asked to win the game, just don't lose it, if the time comes when he plays in a shootout, Mahomes is more than capable of doing that, the fact that he's been able to adapt his game to fit the style of the team is a credit to him, after they traded Tyreek Hill, Raiders said he'll never win another SB, well he's won 2 more, and might again this year.
I also agree about Caleb Williams being very talented, but he's also a rookie who was playing for a coach that was clueless, he needs a young offensive mind to coach him, go look at Tua's numbers before Mike McDaniel and since McDaniel's been there, the difference is night and day, and while he makes some plays during a game that are Mahomesish, comparing him to a guy who's a 3 time SB champion, 3 time SB MVP, 2 time league MVP, and the holder of numerous passing records is ludicrous.
You won’t see Belichek because he’d cost too much money. You won’t see Flores because he’s a defensive guy. Logically you’d bring in an offensive guy like Johnson, but it’s the Bears and the McCaskeys can make dumb decisions.
My fear? The team rallies around Brown and team takes away the interim tag. It would be the worst thing to do (ask Las Vegas about that) but the team could do it at a cheap cost.
My fear? The team rallies around Brown and team takes away the interim tag. It would be the worst thing to do (ask Las Vegas about that) but the team could do it at a cheap cost.
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Stop fluffing Mahomes. He's only one pick behind the leader. He hasn't been good. I've been a huge supporter of Caleb Williams but he has some Justin Fields in him. The OL is awful but a QB still needs to get rid of the ball instead of taking bad sacks. The audible taking all that time was brutal. The HC still is the one to blame that last play but Caleb didn't help his cause.
kane
EOG master
Maybe with some practice he can one day be as good as Alex Smith
kane
EOG master
Bears players were reportedly 'furious' at Matt Eberflus inside an 'ugly' locker room following disastrous loss to Lions
A season full of frustration came to a head with the Bears head coach the target of the players' anger.
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It's cumulative which is helping to explode the criticism.
Patrick McIrish
OCCams raZOR
Thanks Kane, solid post. Being kind of a backwards poster (human) I think Mahomes won me over the same way. It wasn't when he was lighting up the scoreboard with stats, it was when the dynamics of the team shifted and he shifted right along with it. No big ego, no trying to force stats, no crying about a reduced role. Defense is dominant, sure I can take a step back. I don't need all the points, I don't need all the stats, if we can win I am more than happy to do what is needed. When the winning came and it was based in an entirely different way I don't see a QB who's stats went down, I see a QB that understands what football is about and more importantly what the role of a QB is.
Quick story, back when I played the best QB I ever played with had MIW engraved in his practice helmet. I think the coach did it but I'm not sure. It just meant "Make It Work". You got no run game? Make it work. The WR's can't catch? MIW. Poor OC? MIW. Injuries on the OL? Make it work. Sometimes it's all sunshine and lollipops, sometimes you have a lack of talent. Make it work. Of all the positions on offense the "stats" for a QB are the most insignificant to me. The QB is the one position where he needs to know how to win. Whether it's be the stud, whether it's handing off the football, whether it's relying mostly on your defense, whatever it is. The fact Mahomes played superstar QB earlier in his career and now playing a more closer to the vest role yet still winning is what really won me over.
I'm not a Mahomes fan, why would I be? But can't get away from the fact I think he's probably the smartest QB I've ever seen play the game. It's like bring me the pieces I am playing with this year and I will show you how to win all over again. His role isn't set in stone, it's very fluid. Sure he has help, IMO they have the best front office in football. They got a great coach, some great talent. But none of that detracts from Mahomes no matter what the stats say. It's an endorsement when you can and do win different ways. If you asked him "hey are you ashamed to win last year with defense" he would probably laugh in your face. His job as a QB isn't set in stone like others on the team. Whether he's got an embarrassment of riches or a shortage of talent his job is to make it work. At this point I don't think anyone's ever done it better.
Patrick McIrish
OCCams raZOR
It's probably about 50% embarrassment for their profession, the other 50% outrage at how he refuses to accept any responsibility.
That's always a bad look and it inspires more hate and anger than anything else.
You can win over some or at least a little sympathy if you man up and admit your mistakes.
I sometimes use it in my personal life, man up, even if I don't think I did anything wrong. It usually helps the cause.
FairWarning
Bells Beer Connoisseur
They have only hired one ex-HC ever (John Fox). It starts at the very top with their coaching selection, they like young , dumb, and cheap.
FairWarning
Bells Beer Connoisseur
The only Similarity to Fields is Fields was making rookie mistakes in year 3. With proper coaching, Williams should grow out of those mistakes soon. Bryce Young is starting to figure it out also. The Mahomes comparison is laughable, it’s just unrealistic for qbs to reach his level.
kane
EOG master
Of course it is, but you're dealing with a guy who thinks Alex Smith was just as good as Mahomes, which is just as laughable
You forget about Peyton Manning. By far the smartest QB to ever play the game.
kane you just make stuff up or make racist comments. Great poster. Plus you say the same thing over and over and over again.
Mahomes hasn't been good this year by any metric or eye test. Don't listen to kane with his idiotic comparisons. He just makes stuff up. Bryce Young needed the time off. It's not going to happen but giving Caleb a week or two off may work.
kane
EOG master
Really? So you didn't make these posts at Peep's? I'm just making it up, right?
Mahomes is turning in to Alex Smith.
He's become Alex Smith.
He's Alex Smith
He looks exactly the same as Alex Smith
Mahomes has been playing similar to Alex Smith
Patrick Mahomes II has slowly turned into Alex Smith
KC would have been better off with Alex Smith
Alex smith was better than Drew Brees, tom Brady and aaron rodgers. Amazing. What a QB!
your QB can play Alex Smith and not take chances. Mahomes is now playing Alex Smith.
If Mahomes doesn't throw deep, then they are better off with Smith because he's more accurate.
We've been saying since Mahomes' first full year that his stats are inflated in the same way as Alex Smith.
. Mahomes once made big time throws. Now it's dink and dunk. He's Alex Smith.
Mahomes has been a game manager. He looks exactly the same as Alex Smith
Since Alex Smith is so accomplished, would KC rather have him or Mahomes in a game to get them to the SB? They made that decision
Mahomes had a decent game. Alex Smith type of game.
KC would have been better off with Alex Smith
kane
EOG master
I think these are my favorites
KC would have been better off with Alex Smith
Since Alex Smith is so accomplished, would KC rather have him or Mahomes in a game to get them to the SB? They made that decision
KC would have been better off with Alex Smith
In retrospect, I think I agree with Raiders, the Chiefs would have been better off with Alex Smith, I mean the guy is so accomplished I would much rather have him than Mahomes in a game to get to the SB, no question about it, KC would have been better off with Alex Smith, this Raiders guy is pretty sharp
KC would have been better off with Alex Smith
Since Alex Smith is so accomplished, would KC rather have him or Mahomes in a game to get them to the SB? They made that decision
KC would have been better off with Alex Smith
In retrospect, I think I agree with Raiders, the Chiefs would have been better off with Alex Smith, I mean the guy is so accomplished I would much rather have him than Mahomes in a game to get to the SB, no question about it, KC would have been better off with Alex Smith, this Raiders guy is pretty sharp
Stop. You've been saying the same thing for 5 years now. You grab quotes out of context. I talk about a single game where Mahomes' dinked and dunked the whole game. It was a comparison for an individual game, not overall. You are the same as MSDNC.