Re: Clemens will never make the Hall of Fame now, agree with me? Who else never gets in?
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Roger Clemens amazing season continues, 7 more road shutout innings!
<HR style="COLOR: #fdde82" SIZE=1><!-- / icon and title --><!-- message -->The Rocket went into sundays contest vs the Giants having allowed 3 earned runs on the road for the entire season....
IP-7
H-6
ER-0
K-4
BB-2
Lowering his 0.41 ERA
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<HR style="COLOR: #fdde82" SIZE=1><!-- / icon and title --><!-- message -->I agree he could push 400 wins...3 earned runs in 73 road innings this year...
43 yr old Clemens is 79-26 since turning 38.
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<HR style="COLOR: #fdde82" SIZE=1><!-- / icon and title --><!-- message -->1968 Gibson 22-9, ERA 1.12, 13 shutouts,IP 304, ER 38 HR-11, BB 62, K's 268
2005 Clemens 11-4 ERA 1.38 0 shutouts IP 156, ER 24 HR-6, BB 44 K's 139
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<HR style="COLOR: #fdde82" SIZE=1><!-- / icon and title --><!-- message -->Why is it though, Maddux gets so much less recognition?
Maddux has actually been more dominant and more consistent for longer than Roger Clemens...
I am guessing its the perception that Maddux has, compaired with Clemens...one looks like mild mannered
Clark Kent, the other nicknamed The Rocket will shave off a two day old beard with high cheese if your not careful, and if you really tick him off, he may just take a broken bat and wing it at you ,lol...
All kidding aside Greg Maddux has been every bit as good as Roger Clemens...
Maddux playing for a team with not a great home field atmosphere in red hot Atlanta ,I would think he pitched in less favorable conditions than Clemens, even though Turner Field is a pitchers park...while Clemens played in the intense Al East pitching in frenzied stadiums with much more electricity...who couldn't get fired up pitching in NYC and Boston, even Skydome was sold out nightly back then...
Two very different pitchers who should both be mentioned as equals...
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