Early NFL Coaching Hot Seat...
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Murphy’s Best
EOG Dedicated
I think he is canned this week!
jimmythegreek
The opening odds start here
I loved how he bitched and bickered how this losing run had nothing to do with last year's postseason game against Jacksonville. Not doing yourself any favors there.
Viejo Dinosaur
EOG Master
Bengals, Vikings, Chargers, Patriots are all 0-2…Steelers could join them tomorrow…
FairWarning
Bells Beer Connoisseur
Bengals have to be concerning, Burrow reinjured his calf (?) on the last play of the game. Very iffy to play week 3.
FairWarning
Bells Beer Connoisseur
They barely played together in preseason, so there is no continuity. The biggest issue is they never really addressed the run D.
The players they've signed on defense haven't had much impact. 1 QB sack, 10 sacks allowed. Fields 3 rush yards yesterday. He isn't a dropback QB. There has to be the threat of him running to be effective at all passing. Tampa 437 yards yesterday. It's amazing it was 20-17 late in the game.
IWishIWasAPro
EOG Master
Imagine trying to turn somebody into something he's just not. I don't think it works like this. Just because he's in year 3 doesn't automatically mean shit.
Sportsrmylife
EOG Master
Staley has to be on the top of this list. Defensive minded coach that can't stop anyone
By all accounts, self motivation is not a strong point for Chase Claypool. How does a GM not know that when making a trade? How could you not do full due diligence? Wouldn't one be suspicious that an organization like the Steelers was willing to move on from Claypool, still with a year and a half left on his rookie contract? Poles has dug himself into a hole.
Sportsrmylife
EOG Master
This is the same organization that keeps picking qbs that can't throw and believe they can make them into throwers.
Mitch
Fields
But they will not get Caleb Williams if they get the #1 picks as he will elect to go back to college
Welcome Drake maye who is this years will levis
Mitch
Fields
But they will not get Caleb Williams if they get the #1 picks as he will elect to go back to college
Welcome Drake maye who is this years will levis
Generally, I think it's a mistake when NFL teams don't play their 1's in the preseason to at least the point where they're "lathered up," playing as a unit, and getting into the weekly game rhythm of preparing for and playing NFL games. Especially the offenses, and especially when the QB is in their 30's.
I get the avoiding injury with multi-million dollar investments in meaningless games. But you can't prepare to play NFL football wrapped in bubble wrap. And you can get injured four plays into the season, so you've got to start preparing sometime. I would rather not be working on, e.g., the QB-Center exchange still in Week 2 of the real season. The games that do mean something can put you in an 0-2 hole or worse awful fast while you're instead doing what preseason was intended for (over and above making money for the owners).
These guys excelled to get to where they are by preparing. Yes, they've got talent, but you still have to prepare to play at a high level against people who also have talent, which they've done all their career prior to this point.
So, basically, many of them now are multi-millionaires or at the very least making more a year than many of us make. And after living the multi-millionaire country club life for eight months, they're expected these days to just step into real game action at real speed in Week 1 without doing the full preparation that they've otherwise done all their life.
It makes for bad football, and contributes to bad starts.
In particular, putting a 30 year-old-plus QB out into that mix straight from the country club veranda cafe with no real prep leads to, e.g. experienced QBs getting picked by young, hungry DBs who have been playing full out for a roster spot in the preseason. Those DBs are just processing faster than the QB, who is "hot" only off the links.
I get the injury risk, but they need to get ready to play football, and those mid-week team-on-team scrimmages don't seem to do the trick adequately separate and apart from "actual" preseason action in a more uncontrolled, unscripted environment.
But, of course, any team that played its 1s, even only to get lathered up, in preseason games would get roasted in the sports press if and when a key player went down in the "meaningless" game with an injury. Four plays into Week 1 is OK, but . . . . .
The bigger the NFL multi-billion dollar business becomes, the worse the on-the-field product becomes, especially after the last CBA further limited practice time.
Given that the CBA does curtail practice time so much, I would use those preseason games -- which are permitted under the CBA -- to get enough reps in those games for the 1s to get them at least into rhythm for Week 1. You have to be mindful of the injury risk, and they also need to evaluate new talent in the preseason games. But every year we're reminded that these elite players still need prep time and reps to in fact play at an elite level.
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Who's the top QB prospect for the 2025 draft? Fields is under contract for 2024, so I'm guessing he'll sink or swim by that point. If he sinks, its a clean break and they don't re-sign him.
pro analyser
EOG Dedicated
Sportsrmylife
EOG Master
It might be Caleb Williams. His dad has made comments about if they don't like the situation with who has the #1 pick, since the NIL money is so good, that he might just go back to USC another year.
kane
EOG master
No chance he returns to school, I don't care how much NIL money he's getting, if he's the projected first pick, he's gone
kane
EOG master
Last year Sean Payton said he wanted to coach Justin Herbert, as soon as that info came out the Chargers should have immediately got in contact with his agent, instead they stuck with Staley and Payton goes to Denver
Murphy’s Best
EOG Dedicated
2024 or 2025 draft?
Sportsrmylife
EOG Master
Payton is in a win win. He wins now and he is the man. He loses and he can point to Wilson and say get him out of here as he can't execute my system.
Wilson is a disaster. I am still a believer in this working but the fact that denver has zero dudes on offense makes things much more difficult.
Sutton stinks. Jeudy has potential but disappears for weeks. Zero run game.
Woodrow Wilson
EOG Dedicated
Stefanski has to be at least warm.
Staley will be a boiling pot if they lose Sunday.
Staley will be a boiling pot if they lose Sunday.
Patrick McIrish
OCCams raZOR
BeliCheat and Saban proving again that you must always be reinventing yourself to stay atop the game.
One too many tour of telling the world how smart they are.
Reminds me a little of Bowden and Paterno near the end of their career, neither a shell of who they once were in the game.
One too many tour of telling the world how smart they are.
Reminds me a little of Bowden and Paterno near the end of their career, neither a shell of who they once were in the game.
Josh McDaniels Head coaching record (per Wikipedia)
Team Year Regular season
. . . . . . . . W L T Win % Finish
DEN 2009 8 8 0 .500 2nd in AFC West
DEN 2010 3 9 0 .250 Fired
DEN total 11 17 0 .393
LV 2022 6 11 0 .353 3rd in AFC West
LV 2023 1 2 0 .333 TBD
LV total 7 13 0 .350
Total 18 30 0 .375
What exactly is this guy's claim to fame as a head coach rather than an offensive coordinator?
Team Year Regular season
. . . . . . . . W L T Win % Finish
DEN 2009 8 8 0 .500 2nd in AFC West
DEN 2010 3 9 0 .250 Fired
DEN total 11 17 0 .393
LV 2022 6 11 0 .353 3rd in AFC West
LV 2023 1 2 0 .333 TBD
LV total 7 13 0 .350
Total 18 30 0 .375
What exactly is this guy's claim to fame as a head coach rather than an offensive coordinator?
jimmythegreek
The opening odds start here
Matt Eber (in) flux tightrope getting thinner and thinner. Some of these losing scores feeling extremely effortless and he may not last half of his second season.
Sportsrmylife
EOG Master
Bears hc has to be #1 to go.
No progress being shown week to week. He's a def coach with an awful defense
Too much locker room noise
Vs broncos
@wash
Vs minn
If they aren't competitive in the next 3 games (aka one score gms with the offense scoring points) he gone
No progress being shown week to week. He's a def coach with an awful defense
Too much locker room noise
Vs broncos
@wash
Vs minn
If they aren't competitive in the next 3 games (aka one score gms with the offense scoring points) he gone
Hiring Eberflus was a roll of the dice. Maybe a good DC, but he's never been a head coach at any level.
boston massacre
EOG Master
How Much Do Payton/ Wilson Cost Denver This Year In Salary ?
75 Million ?
75 Million ?
Sportsrmylife
EOG Master
Payton between 17-20
Plus add 4 in the Hackett buy out
Wilson a base of 8 and a signing bonus of 20
So a total of 48 between the two and another 4 for hackett
Ray Luca
EOG Master
After watching McDaniels post game conference I'm convinced he's brain dead. How did this guy start 6-0 in Denver?
Raiders have no shot with this guy. They ask him about going for a fg late down 8 and he starts talking about the team's offensive tempo.
Reporters are lame too...should have asked what the downside is going for it and not converting but leaving the Steelers inside own 8