Herman Cain opens up a 20 point lead over the GOP field and now leads Obama 46-44
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The more I see of Cain the more impressed I am!He is an outsider with common sense and can do some real damage.He is like Ross Perot was and things would be alot different if Perot would have won.
Perry is an idiot and Romney is a bigger flip flop then John Kerry was.Both are going down hopefully.
The more I see of Cain the more impressed I am!He is an outsider with common sense and can do some real damage.He is like Ross Perot was and things would be alot different if Perot would have won.
Perry is an idiot and Romney is a bigger flip flop then John Kerry was.Both are going down hopefully.
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Re: Herman Cain opens up a 20 point lead over the GOP field and now leads Obama 46-44
So Is Herman Cain now Joe the Contrarian's new Republican idol?He who owned a few Burger King's in Philly,and ran the Godfather's pizza chain naively? believes he can apply the principles he used in those circumstances,and scale them to the multi-trillion dollar American economy.
Herman Cain on the Repub ticket isn't implausible,because for those who are engineering the 2012 election,and really want an Obama victory,having HC as an opponent benefits Obama in the end.
Obama has performed admirably for the ruling elite,and in their eyes,and with the assistance of the resources[media,campaign money]available to them he's almost certain to be reelected in 2012,the whole presidential campaign is one huge performance to gull the mostly benighted masses to particiapte in their own subjection.
So Is Herman Cain now Joe the Contrarian's new Republican idol?He who owned a few Burger King's in Philly,and ran the Godfather's pizza chain naively? believes he can apply the principles he used in those circumstances,and scale them to the multi-trillion dollar American economy.
Herman Cain on the Repub ticket isn't implausible,because for those who are engineering the 2012 election,and really want an Obama victory,having HC as an opponent benefits Obama in the end.
Obama has performed admirably for the ruling elite,and in their eyes,and with the assistance of the resources[media,campaign money]available to them he's almost certain to be reelected in 2012,the whole presidential campaign is one huge performance to gull the mostly benighted masses to particiapte in their own subjection.
Re: Herman Cain opens up a 20 point lead over the GOP field and now leads Obama 46-44
Lawrence O'Donnell Vs. Herman Cain - Part 1
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Lawrence O'Donnell Vs. Herman Cain - Part 1
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Lawrence O'Donnell Vs. Herman Cain - Part 2
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Lawrence O'Donnell Vs. Herman Cain - Part 2
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Re: Herman Cain opens up a 20 point lead over the GOP field and now leads Obama 46-44
As the 2012 presidential campaign unfolds in late 2011,there's much jockeying for positon at the front of the Republican pack and the leadership continually shifts,Bachmann to Romney to Perry to Romney to Cain,with diversions to Christie and Palin.
All the maneuvering results in the $1 billion dollar fundraising incumbent man Obammy being reelected at the finish.This is a "professional wrestling" pre-ordained outcome,there's a convincing illusion of competition,with the voting public believing they influenced the outcome by their participatiion.
If the "Occupy" movement were authentically independent,leaders would emerge,and a challenge would be mounted against the 2 party system.
As the 2012 presidential campaign unfolds in late 2011,there's much jockeying for positon at the front of the Republican pack and the leadership continually shifts,Bachmann to Romney to Perry to Romney to Cain,with diversions to Christie and Palin.
All the maneuvering results in the $1 billion dollar fundraising incumbent man Obammy being reelected at the finish.This is a "professional wrestling" pre-ordained outcome,there's a convincing illusion of competition,with the voting public believing they influenced the outcome by their participatiion.
If the "Occupy" movement were authentically independent,leaders would emerge,and a challenge would be mounted against the 2 party system.
Re: Herman Cain opens up a 20 point lead over the GOP field and now leads Obama 46-44
Scrimmage, Scrimmage, Scrimmage...
From the very beginning, I said there were four conservative candidates (in alphabetical order): Bachmann, Cain, Palin, Perry
Michelle Bachmann looked good early, but later fizzled. She doesn't connect and should go back to the House.
Herman Cain is kickin' it into another gear.
Sarah Palin isn't running.
Rick Perry is looking like the Tony Romo of politics -- he shits the bed at the most critical point.
I would also add Newt Gingrich to that list because of his new "Contract of America" and the fact he's the most knowledgeable and best debater on stage, hands down. Newt is Captain Republican.
Choosing a nominee for president is like drafting players in sports -- no matter how great the attributes may look on paper, in the end, they still have to perform. Some do, some don't. That's just how it is.
Thus far, Herman has raised the game while the others have not. That's why Herman is surging in the polls and leading the pack. Now with Sarah officially out, I would expect the Cain Train to pick up even more steam as conservatives coalesce around him. At least, I hope that's what happens because Mitt Romney is NOT a conservative and COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE!
Scrimmage, Scrimmage, Scrimmage...
From the very beginning, I said there were four conservative candidates (in alphabetical order): Bachmann, Cain, Palin, Perry
Michelle Bachmann looked good early, but later fizzled. She doesn't connect and should go back to the House.
Herman Cain is kickin' it into another gear.
Sarah Palin isn't running.
Rick Perry is looking like the Tony Romo of politics -- he shits the bed at the most critical point.
I would also add Newt Gingrich to that list because of his new "Contract of America" and the fact he's the most knowledgeable and best debater on stage, hands down. Newt is Captain Republican.
Choosing a nominee for president is like drafting players in sports -- no matter how great the attributes may look on paper, in the end, they still have to perform. Some do, some don't. That's just how it is.
Thus far, Herman has raised the game while the others have not. That's why Herman is surging in the polls and leading the pack. Now with Sarah officially out, I would expect the Cain Train to pick up even more steam as conservatives coalesce around him. At least, I hope that's what happens because Mitt Romney is NOT a conservative and COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE!
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Herman Cain brings the house down at Values Voter Summit
"It was hard to keep track of how many times Herman Cain brought the crowd at the Values Voters Summit to their feet during his speech Friday afternoon. You really have to watch Cain’s speech … to appreciate his success. With a good sense of humor, the cadence and inspirational tone of a preacher, and a rich and booming baritone voice, Cain’s charisma is what truly separates him from the rest of the Republican field…"
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Herman Cain brings the house down at Values Voter Summit
"It was hard to keep track of how many times Herman Cain brought the crowd at the Values Voters Summit to their feet during his speech Friday afternoon. You really have to watch Cain’s speech … to appreciate his success. With a good sense of humor, the cadence and inspirational tone of a preacher, and a rich and booming baritone voice, Cain’s charisma is what truly separates him from the rest of the Republican field…"
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Re: Herman Cain opens up a 20 point lead over the GOP field and now leads Obama 46-44
word for word originally came from:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/values-voters-go-wild-herman-cain_595176.html
Joe The Contrarian neglected to mention the source of what he posted in "quotes",which
word for word originally came from:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/values-voters-go-wild-herman-cain_595176.html
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This article suggests that if elected, Herman Cain would be a front for elite corporate interests, including anti-labor groups. Cain seems to have close ties to the Koch brothers and their corporate agenda.
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/10/07/335968/herman-cain-koch-brothers/
This article suggests that if elected, Herman Cain would be a front for elite corporate interests, including anti-labor groups. Cain seems to have close ties to the Koch brothers and their corporate agenda.
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/10/07/335968/herman-cain-koch-brothers/
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Re: Herman Cain opens up a 20 point lead over the GOP field and now leads Obama 46-44
2 Comments below from:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/majority-oppose-obama-second-term-latest-investors-business-daily-poll#comments
Mon, 10/10/2011 - 13:49 | Careless Whisper
he's got a 9-9-9 plan; 9 inch pizza, 9 toppings, for $9
the sheeple will go for that
Mon, 10/10/2011 - 14:14 | whstlblwr
You want Cain, if you want more bailouts! Reward corruption.
He rob employees but give the bonus to his big corporate boss!!
"Cain served on the board of directors throughout Aquila's ill-fated trading misadventure and the subsequent collapse of the company's retirement fund. In fact, he chaired the board's compensation committee, which, according to the lawsuit, had direct oversight of the push to get employees to invest more and more in Aquila stock?.Aquila and other companies would buy energy from California at a lower capped price, move that energy out of the state, then re-sell it back to California at a higher price for a tidy profit.
Richard Itteilag, a plaintiff in the Aquila class action, lost 87 percent of his savings. Robert Goodson, a 20-year Aquila employee, lost 75 percent. Michael Reinhardt lost a staggering 94 percent. All told, thousands of employees saw their retirement funds eviscerated thanks to Aquila's Enron-esque activities.
Cain also saw fit to dole out $30 million in bonuses, not including stock options, to the top five execs at Aquila in 2002, with the company's stock plummeting. A month after the Kansas City Star reported on the hefty bonuses in July 2002, the company laid off 500 employees, and the losses to employees holding company stock had reached hundreds of millions of dollars.
The suits alleged that Cain and top company officials violated a 37-year-old federal law requiring that employers manage employees retirement programs responsibly. (Cain's presidential exploratory committee did not respond to a request for comment.)
Sources:
http://atlantapost.com/2011/05/25/a-real-reason-to-be-mad-at-herman-cain/
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/05/herman-cain-aquila-lawsuit-2012
2 Comments below from:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/majority-oppose-obama-second-term-latest-investors-business-daily-poll#comments
Mon, 10/10/2011 - 13:49 | Careless Whisper
he's got a 9-9-9 plan; 9 inch pizza, 9 toppings, for $9
the sheeple will go for that
Mon, 10/10/2011 - 14:14 | whstlblwr
You want Cain, if you want more bailouts! Reward corruption.
He rob employees but give the bonus to his big corporate boss!!
"Cain served on the board of directors throughout Aquila's ill-fated trading misadventure and the subsequent collapse of the company's retirement fund. In fact, he chaired the board's compensation committee, which, according to the lawsuit, had direct oversight of the push to get employees to invest more and more in Aquila stock?.Aquila and other companies would buy energy from California at a lower capped price, move that energy out of the state, then re-sell it back to California at a higher price for a tidy profit.
Richard Itteilag, a plaintiff in the Aquila class action, lost 87 percent of his savings. Robert Goodson, a 20-year Aquila employee, lost 75 percent. Michael Reinhardt lost a staggering 94 percent. All told, thousands of employees saw their retirement funds eviscerated thanks to Aquila's Enron-esque activities.
Cain also saw fit to dole out $30 million in bonuses, not including stock options, to the top five execs at Aquila in 2002, with the company's stock plummeting. A month after the Kansas City Star reported on the hefty bonuses in July 2002, the company laid off 500 employees, and the losses to employees holding company stock had reached hundreds of millions of dollars.
The suits alleged that Cain and top company officials violated a 37-year-old federal law requiring that employers manage employees retirement programs responsibly. (Cain's presidential exploratory committee did not respond to a request for comment.)
Sources:
http://atlantapost.com/2011/05/25/a-real-reason-to-be-mad-at-herman-cain/
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/05/herman-cain-aquila-lawsuit-2012
Re: Herman Cain opens up a 20 point lead over the GOP field and now leads Obama 46-44
As soon as the people vote for it, which they won't. The 9-9-9 plan makes the entire tax code transparent and simple to understand.
As soon as the people vote for it, which they won't. The 9-9-9 plan makes the entire tax code transparent and simple to understand.
Re: Herman Cain opens up a 20 point lead over the GOP field and now leads Obama 46-44
Btw, the 9-9-9 plan includes a provision requiring a 2/3 vote in congress to raise taxes.
It's a winner, brucefan. You can't fix this mess without completely throwing it out and starting from scratch.
Btw, the 9-9-9 plan includes a provision requiring a 2/3 vote in congress to raise taxes.
It's a winner, brucefan. You can't fix this mess without completely throwing it out and starting from scratch.
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Re: Herman Cain opens up a 20 point lead over the GOP field and now leads Obama 46-44
Does that mean you support Cain? I never thought you would support a black candidate with all of your derogatory comments about Obama on the basis of his Kenyan background.
Re: Herman Cain opens up a 20 point lead over the GOP field and now leads Obama 46-44
:flatten
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Re: Herman Cain opens up a 20 point lead over the GOP field and now leads Obama 46-44
His favorite FED chairman was Greenspan???2348ji23e
Paul gave the right answer as usual, Paul Volker
I cant take it, I get Romney telling me how the bailouts saved us, and Cain is clueless about how Greenspan created the cheap money that fueled the chaos
Joe, help me here!!! :shoot:
His favorite FED chairman was Greenspan???2348ji23e
Paul gave the right answer as usual, Paul Volker
I cant take it, I get Romney telling me how the bailouts saved us, and Cain is clueless about how Greenspan created the cheap money that fueled the chaos
Joe, help me here!!! :shoot:
Re: Herman Cain opens up a 20 point lead over the GOP field and now leads Obama 46-44
Brucefan, I agree with you -- Greenspan was a terrible answer.
Looks like its down to Romney vs Cain.
Pick one.
Brucefan, I agree with you -- Greenspan was a terrible answer.
Looks like its down to Romney vs Cain.
Pick one.
Re: Herman Cain opens up a 20 point lead over the GOP field and now leads Obama 46-44
JOE HAS JUMPED ON MORE BANDWAGGONS THAN MADONNA! JOE, YOU'RE NOT STICKING WITH ALL-AMERICAN SICK PERRY? AND IF CAIN DOES BECOME THE NOMINEE, WILL YOU BE A BIRTHER AGAINST HIM? HMMMMMM?
JOE HAS JUMPED ON MORE BANDWAGGONS THAN MADONNA! JOE, YOU'RE NOT STICKING WITH ALL-AMERICAN SICK PERRY? AND IF CAIN DOES BECOME THE NOMINEE, WILL YOU BE A BIRTHER AGAINST HIM? HMMMMMM?
Re: Herman Cain opens up a 20 point lead over the GOP field and now leads Obama 46-44
markinsac, hard to "stick with someone" who suicide bombs his own campaign.
Are you going to create a "Joe refuses to comment" thread for Herman Cain? I love reading those! :btj:
markinsac, hard to "stick with someone" who suicide bombs his own campaign.
Are you going to create a "Joe refuses to comment" thread for Herman Cain? I love reading those! :btj:
Re: Herman Cain opens up a 20 point lead over the GOP field and now leads Obama 46-44
Full Interview: Herman Cain on Meet the Press
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Full Interview: Herman Cain on Meet the Press
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Full Speech: Herman Cain at the Faith & Freedom Rally - Oct 13th 2011
Full Speech: Herman Cain at the Faith & Freedom Rally - Oct 13th 2011
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Re: Herman Cain opens up a 20 point lead over the GOP field and now leads Obama 46-44
What are the odds Joe Contrarian,or any one else, watched all 30 minutes 13 seconds of the You Tube video,on Herman Cain's speech at the "Faith and Freedom rally" ?
Herman Cain's a media hype novelty for the moment,once he faces greater scrutiny the curiousity about him will bring about disclosures,and his admirers fascination will diminish as quickly as it came.
Presidential campaign's are just political theater,a year + out from the 2012 election the show's still in developement.Anyway what's going on behind the scene's where the real action lies.
What are the odds Joe Contrarian,or any one else, watched all 30 minutes 13 seconds of the You Tube video,on Herman Cain's speech at the "Faith and Freedom rally" ?
Herman Cain's a media hype novelty for the moment,once he faces greater scrutiny the curiousity about him will bring about disclosures,and his admirers fascination will diminish as quickly as it came.
Presidential campaign's are just political theater,a year + out from the 2012 election the show's still in developement.Anyway what's going on behind the scene's where the real action lies.
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2012 Presidential Matchups
Cain 43%, Obama 41%
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/2012_presidential_matchups
2012 Presidential Matchups
Cain 43%, Obama 41%
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/2012_presidential_matchups
Re: Herman Cain opens up a 20 point lead over the GOP field and now leads Obama 46-44
Scrimmage is deeply depressed -- there are no "peak oil" candidates in this campaign cycle.
After the wise experienced grandfather takes the arrogant, infantile little Marxist behind the woodshed in a debate: Cain 55%, Obama 35%. :thumbsup
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Scrimmage is deeply depressed -- there are no "peak oil" candidates in this campaign cycle.
After the wise experienced grandfather takes the arrogant, infantile little Marxist behind the woodshed in a debate: Cain 55%, Obama 35%. :thumbsup
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Full Interview: Herman Cain on Piers Morgan Tonight
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Full Interview: Herman Cain on Piers Morgan Tonight
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Cain Adds to ?9-9-9? Plan, Angering Unions
By James Rosen
Published October 20, 2011
| FoxNews.com
Cain hinted at the move during Tuesday night?s GOP debate in Las Vegas. He and his aides hope the details they provide about their plans to encourage growth in impoverished areas will deflect the surge of recent criticism branding ?9-9-9? as unfair to the poor.But details about the opportunity zone proposal, as obtained in advance by Fox News, will likely make ?9-9-9? more, not less, controversial, particularly with organized labor.
To qualify for zone status under Cain?s plan, a given jurisdiction will have to enact policies the unions consider anathema ? such as the elimination of the minimum wage, the provision of school vouchers, or the declaration of a zone as a ?right-to-work? area.
Leading figures in organized labor swiftly attacked the Cain proposal.
Teamsters General President Jim Hoffa told Fox News in an emailed statement: ?Herman Cain?s ?Opportunity Zones? appear to be an opportunity for corporate America to exploit workers and turn the United States into a third-world country.?:handjob:
"It's tough to take anything like that seriously,? snapped AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka, who spoke to Fox News on the sidelines of a union event in Washington. ?Look, workers are working hard and their wages have stagnated. To have Herman Cain, a serious contender on the Republican side, make a statement like that ? that he wants to further lower wages, he wants to do away with the minimum wage ? it's almost laughable."
A five-page internal campaign document entitled ?Opportunity Zones ? Revitalizing America,? obtained by Fox News, says the ?9-9-9? plan ?will turn the whole country into one giant Opportunity Zone.?
The document envisions Stakeholder Leadership Teams, comprised of entrepreneurs, trade groups, community leaders and church elders, forming in a ?respectable number? of zones across America, each responsible for submitting detailed plans to ?the highest levels? of the Commerce Department and the White House on how they would reduce ?barriers? to economic growth.
At times, the document appears to stray from conventional conservative rhetoric.
?Opportunity Zones must reverse counter-productive incentives and bureaucratic micromanagement created by Democrats and Republicans alike,? the document states.
?Access to contracts and capital is skewed towards big business?.All building codes, regulations, restrictions, and requirements should be reviewed from the standpoint of whether they impede economic growth.?
A blunt-talking, self-made millionaire and former executive in the fast-food industry, Cain vaulted to the front of the Republican presidential primary ranks in recent weeks on the strength of two factors: his strong performance in televised debates and the alluring simplicity of his ?9-9-9? economic plan.
In its first phase, the plan would effectively scrap America?s Byzantine tax code and replace it with three across-the-board-tax rates of 9 percent -- imposed equally, and neutrally, on all individuals, corporations and national sales.
Seldom noted is the plan?s second phase. After an unspecified duration of Phase One ? ?as long as it takes,? from two years to a decade, a Cain adviser told Fox News ? the 9 percent individual and corporate taxes would be eliminated entirely, leaving the nation with only the national sales tax.
Such a tax is widely characterized, including by the Cain campaign on its website, as ?the fair tax.? When Phase One ends and Phase Two begins, this national sales tax, in becoming a fair tax, jumps considerably from its original 9 percent rate. As explained on the website fairtax.org, longtime proponents of the fair tax estimate it could reach 30 percent; Cain?s advisers put the figure at 23 or 28 percent, depending on how one runs the numbers.
Yet while borrowing liberally from the fair tax proposal that has circulated for years, Cain
deviates from its orthodoxy by eschewing a key component of it: namely, a ?prebate? check that the federal government would issue to the poorest Americans, to help them cope with tax rates they had never before had to pay.
When asked about Phase Two of ?9-9-9,? Cain aides were adamant in telling Fox News that the candidate would never support direct payments by the government to the poor, whether in subsidies or any other form.
Still, the campaign has been stung by recent criticism suggesting that ?9-9-9? would cause most Americans to pay more taxes, and disproportionately shift the tax burden to the poor.
An analysis by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center found 84 percent of U.S. households would see their tax payments rise under Cain?s plan, with those earning less than $30,000 likely to see income diminish, after taxes have been deducted, by up to 20 percent.
So, in lieu of ?prebates,? the Cain campaign favors the creation of ?opportunity zones? ? and Friday?s appearance in Detroit will mark the first time the candidate has fleshed out this heretofore hidden aspect of ?9-9-9.? The absence of any details about the zone idea thus far has served to hinder a thorough analysis of Cain?s economic proposals.
The Tax Policy Center, for example, noted that Cain?s campaign literature has included ?some discussion of deductions for empowerment zones that might relieve some of the tax burden on low wage workers,? but added that the center has ?not received any details? about the idea.
?[The zones] could relieve some of the burden at the low end of the income distribution,? the center concluded, but cautioned that they would also ?reduce the net revenue raised.?
At Tuesday?s GOP primary debate in Las Vegas, former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum denounced ?9-9-9.?
?It?s not good for families, it?s not good for low-income [Americans],? Santorum said.
?That simply is not true,? Cain shot back. ?I invite people to look at our analysis, which we make available?And we do provide a provision, if you read the analysis, something we call opportunity zones that will, in fact, address the issue of those making the least.?
As late as Thursday afternoon, Cain?s campaign website made only a few broad references to ?empowerment zones,? with specificity lacking. One late change the campaign made ? with Cain?s expressed approval ? was to switch from the term ?empowerment zones? to ?opportunity zones.? The Cain team decided the word ?empowerment? is too closely associated with liberal politics.
The five-page document obtained by Fox News states that employers in the designated zones ?will deduct for staff employed, subject to income limits within the zone. This will help new businesses which generally don?t generate profits in early years.?
Deductions will not be limited to new businesses or new jobs created, but ?are designed to benefit all within the Zone,? the document continues. ?Those living and working in the Zone will get a deduction.?
In a recent interview with Fox News, a top adviser who helped shape Cain?s campaign platform cited the opportunity zones as the prime vehicle by which the Cain White House would alleviate surging new tax burdens on the poor.
In inner cities, the adviser said, current policies impose an effective marginal tax rate of more than 70 percent on the poor.
?Taxes alone will not solve the problem,? the adviser said. ?If the zones knock down barriers to growth, we will match that with incentives.?
Asked to provide examples of barriers to growth that a given jurisdiction could remove in order to qualify for ?empowerment zone? status and the accompanying tax benefits, the adviser cited three. They include the elimination of minimum wage laws, which the Cain campaign believes ?crush teen employment?; giving parents greater choice in where their children are schooled, a goal to be achieved principally, though not exclusively, through the issuance of vouchers; and the adoption of a ?right to work? policy, which frees workers from the requirement to join a union in workplaces where a union has already formed.
?These are monopoly restrictions,? the adviser said.
On its face, the empowerment zone idea appears to face some considerable hurdles. Asked how a given area ? a neighborhood, say, like Park Slope in Brooklyn ? could enact such provisions without having the authority to rewrite the laws of the city or state in which it is situated, the adviser said the area would have to seek ?waivers? from broader jurisdictions.
Does Cain envision an entire city or state qualifying as a zone? ?the bigger the zone, the better,? the adviser replied.
The selection of Detroit as the venue for Cain?s announcement is calculated. In August 2011, the federal Bureau of Labor Statistics recorded that the city and its surrounding areas posted the nation?s highest jobless rate, at 14.4 percent.
Fox News? Carl Cameron contributed to this report.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/20/cain-adds-to-plan-angering-unions/#ixzz1bPJPFyMY
Cain Adds to ?9-9-9? Plan, Angering Unions
By James Rosen
Published October 20, 2011
| FoxNews.com
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Presidential candidate Herman Cain speaks with the media after an interview in Washington, D.C., on Oct. 16.
Cain hinted at the move during Tuesday night?s GOP debate in Las Vegas. He and his aides hope the details they provide about their plans to encourage growth in impoverished areas will deflect the surge of recent criticism branding ?9-9-9? as unfair to the poor.But details about the opportunity zone proposal, as obtained in advance by Fox News, will likely make ?9-9-9? more, not less, controversial, particularly with organized labor.
To qualify for zone status under Cain?s plan, a given jurisdiction will have to enact policies the unions consider anathema ? such as the elimination of the minimum wage, the provision of school vouchers, or the declaration of a zone as a ?right-to-work? area.
Leading figures in organized labor swiftly attacked the Cain proposal.
Teamsters General President Jim Hoffa told Fox News in an emailed statement: ?Herman Cain?s ?Opportunity Zones? appear to be an opportunity for corporate America to exploit workers and turn the United States into a third-world country.?:handjob:
"It's tough to take anything like that seriously,? snapped AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka, who spoke to Fox News on the sidelines of a union event in Washington. ?Look, workers are working hard and their wages have stagnated. To have Herman Cain, a serious contender on the Republican side, make a statement like that ? that he wants to further lower wages, he wants to do away with the minimum wage ? it's almost laughable."
A five-page internal campaign document entitled ?Opportunity Zones ? Revitalizing America,? obtained by Fox News, says the ?9-9-9? plan ?will turn the whole country into one giant Opportunity Zone.?
The document envisions Stakeholder Leadership Teams, comprised of entrepreneurs, trade groups, community leaders and church elders, forming in a ?respectable number? of zones across America, each responsible for submitting detailed plans to ?the highest levels? of the Commerce Department and the White House on how they would reduce ?barriers? to economic growth.
At times, the document appears to stray from conventional conservative rhetoric.
?Opportunity Zones must reverse counter-productive incentives and bureaucratic micromanagement created by Democrats and Republicans alike,? the document states.
?Access to contracts and capital is skewed towards big business?.All building codes, regulations, restrictions, and requirements should be reviewed from the standpoint of whether they impede economic growth.?
A blunt-talking, self-made millionaire and former executive in the fast-food industry, Cain vaulted to the front of the Republican presidential primary ranks in recent weeks on the strength of two factors: his strong performance in televised debates and the alluring simplicity of his ?9-9-9? economic plan.
In its first phase, the plan would effectively scrap America?s Byzantine tax code and replace it with three across-the-board-tax rates of 9 percent -- imposed equally, and neutrally, on all individuals, corporations and national sales.
Seldom noted is the plan?s second phase. After an unspecified duration of Phase One ? ?as long as it takes,? from two years to a decade, a Cain adviser told Fox News ? the 9 percent individual and corporate taxes would be eliminated entirely, leaving the nation with only the national sales tax.
Such a tax is widely characterized, including by the Cain campaign on its website, as ?the fair tax.? When Phase One ends and Phase Two begins, this national sales tax, in becoming a fair tax, jumps considerably from its original 9 percent rate. As explained on the website fairtax.org, longtime proponents of the fair tax estimate it could reach 30 percent; Cain?s advisers put the figure at 23 or 28 percent, depending on how one runs the numbers.
Yet while borrowing liberally from the fair tax proposal that has circulated for years, Cain
deviates from its orthodoxy by eschewing a key component of it: namely, a ?prebate? check that the federal government would issue to the poorest Americans, to help them cope with tax rates they had never before had to pay.
When asked about Phase Two of ?9-9-9,? Cain aides were adamant in telling Fox News that the candidate would never support direct payments by the government to the poor, whether in subsidies or any other form.
Still, the campaign has been stung by recent criticism suggesting that ?9-9-9? would cause most Americans to pay more taxes, and disproportionately shift the tax burden to the poor.
An analysis by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center found 84 percent of U.S. households would see their tax payments rise under Cain?s plan, with those earning less than $30,000 likely to see income diminish, after taxes have been deducted, by up to 20 percent.
So, in lieu of ?prebates,? the Cain campaign favors the creation of ?opportunity zones? ? and Friday?s appearance in Detroit will mark the first time the candidate has fleshed out this heretofore hidden aspect of ?9-9-9.? The absence of any details about the zone idea thus far has served to hinder a thorough analysis of Cain?s economic proposals.
The Tax Policy Center, for example, noted that Cain?s campaign literature has included ?some discussion of deductions for empowerment zones that might relieve some of the tax burden on low wage workers,? but added that the center has ?not received any details? about the idea.
?[The zones] could relieve some of the burden at the low end of the income distribution,? the center concluded, but cautioned that they would also ?reduce the net revenue raised.?
At Tuesday?s GOP primary debate in Las Vegas, former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum denounced ?9-9-9.?
?It?s not good for families, it?s not good for low-income [Americans],? Santorum said.
?That simply is not true,? Cain shot back. ?I invite people to look at our analysis, which we make available?And we do provide a provision, if you read the analysis, something we call opportunity zones that will, in fact, address the issue of those making the least.?
As late as Thursday afternoon, Cain?s campaign website made only a few broad references to ?empowerment zones,? with specificity lacking. One late change the campaign made ? with Cain?s expressed approval ? was to switch from the term ?empowerment zones? to ?opportunity zones.? The Cain team decided the word ?empowerment? is too closely associated with liberal politics.
The five-page document obtained by Fox News states that employers in the designated zones ?will deduct for staff employed, subject to income limits within the zone. This will help new businesses which generally don?t generate profits in early years.?
Deductions will not be limited to new businesses or new jobs created, but ?are designed to benefit all within the Zone,? the document continues. ?Those living and working in the Zone will get a deduction.?
In a recent interview with Fox News, a top adviser who helped shape Cain?s campaign platform cited the opportunity zones as the prime vehicle by which the Cain White House would alleviate surging new tax burdens on the poor.
In inner cities, the adviser said, current policies impose an effective marginal tax rate of more than 70 percent on the poor.
?Taxes alone will not solve the problem,? the adviser said. ?If the zones knock down barriers to growth, we will match that with incentives.?
Asked to provide examples of barriers to growth that a given jurisdiction could remove in order to qualify for ?empowerment zone? status and the accompanying tax benefits, the adviser cited three. They include the elimination of minimum wage laws, which the Cain campaign believes ?crush teen employment?; giving parents greater choice in where their children are schooled, a goal to be achieved principally, though not exclusively, through the issuance of vouchers; and the adoption of a ?right to work? policy, which frees workers from the requirement to join a union in workplaces where a union has already formed.
?These are monopoly restrictions,? the adviser said.
On its face, the empowerment zone idea appears to face some considerable hurdles. Asked how a given area ? a neighborhood, say, like Park Slope in Brooklyn ? could enact such provisions without having the authority to rewrite the laws of the city or state in which it is situated, the adviser said the area would have to seek ?waivers? from broader jurisdictions.
Does Cain envision an entire city or state qualifying as a zone? ?the bigger the zone, the better,? the adviser replied.
The selection of Detroit as the venue for Cain?s announcement is calculated. In August 2011, the federal Bureau of Labor Statistics recorded that the city and its surrounding areas posted the nation?s highest jobless rate, at 14.4 percent.
Fox News? Carl Cameron contributed to this report.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/20/cain-adds-to-plan-angering-unions/#ixzz1bPJPFyMY
Re: Herman Cain opens up a 20 point lead over the GOP field and now leads Obama 46-44
Obviously progressives, unions, and their allies will attack and demagogue Herman with everything they got and that's fine. They're entitled to their (misguided) opinions and free speech like everyone else.
But when the smoke clears and you strip away all the socialist rhetoric, it becomes clear they have nothing to offer, except this:
The fact is, laissez faire capitalism built America and the middle class, NOT progressive socialism...and only laissez faire capitalism can restore them.
Go Herman! Allow free market to "spread the wealth around" to those who desperately need it!
Obviously progressives, unions, and their allies will attack and demagogue Herman with everything they got and that's fine. They're entitled to their (misguided) opinions and free speech like everyone else.
But when the smoke clears and you strip away all the socialist rhetoric, it becomes clear they have nothing to offer, except this:
The fact is, laissez faire capitalism built America and the middle class, NOT progressive socialism...and only laissez faire capitalism can restore them.
Go Herman! Allow free market to "spread the wealth around" to those who desperately need it!
Re: Herman Cain opens up a 20 point lead over the GOP field and now leads Obama 46-44
[h=1]Herman Cain: "Stupid People Are Ruining America"[/h]
[video=youtube;-N3-j3HM7-A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N3-j3HM7-A[/video]
[h=1]Herman Cain: "Stupid People Are Ruining America"[/h]
[video=youtube;-N3-j3HM7-A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N3-j3HM7-A[/video]
scrimmage
What you contemplate you imitate
Re: Herman Cain opens up a 20 point lead over the GOP field and now leads Obama 46-44
No candidate of either party will address "peak oil"head on as they don't want to wake the American people from their dream of almost unlimited consumption possibilities.
At least you followed up the time consuming 40:07 Herman Cain/Piers Morgan vid[honestly did you view the whole thing?] with the more watchable 1:52 CPAC edit.
No matter,Herman C. uses sweeping generalizations vs. a "liberal" strawman so he doesn't have to tell us what his vision is beyond "9-9-9."Another simple acronym "SIN" substitutes for any substantial policy.
Herman Cain is Obama's stalking horse in the 2012 election campaign,just as "Occupy Wall Street" gathers together and neutralizes opposition[the participants are being observed and information gathered on them for future control purposes.].
A free market advocate would do best to participate in the system as little as possible,and not worry so much about petty bourgeoisie politics anyway,create your own reality removed from the nonsense.Herman Cain's not gonna get anyone there either...
Joe C.Scrimmage is deeply depressed -- there are no "peak oil" candidates in this campaign cycle.
After the wise experienced grandfather takes the arrogant, infantile little Marxist behind the woodshed in a debate: Cain 55%, Obama 35%. :thumbsup
No candidate of either party will address "peak oil"head on as they don't want to wake the American people from their dream of almost unlimited consumption possibilities.
At least you followed up the time consuming 40:07 Herman Cain/Piers Morgan vid[honestly did you view the whole thing?] with the more watchable 1:52 CPAC edit.
No matter,Herman C. uses sweeping generalizations vs. a "liberal" strawman so he doesn't have to tell us what his vision is beyond "9-9-9."Another simple acronym "SIN" substitutes for any substantial policy.
Herman Cain is Obama's stalking horse in the 2012 election campaign,just as "Occupy Wall Street" gathers together and neutralizes opposition[the participants are being observed and information gathered on them for future control purposes.].
A free market advocate would do best to participate in the system as little as possible,and not worry so much about petty bourgeoisie politics anyway,create your own reality removed from the nonsense.Herman Cain's not gonna get anyone there either...
Re: Herman Cain opens up a 20 point lead over the GOP field and now leads Obama 46-44
hehehehehe....Barely six weeks later and Herman can barely attract 10% within the Republican vote base, which translates into about 5% of the national electorate. The poor fucker is down in Sarah Palin/Fred Thompson territory now
hehehehehe....Barely six weeks later and Herman can barely attract 10% within the Republican vote base, which translates into about 5% of the national electorate. The poor fucker is down in Sarah Palin/Fred Thompson territory now
scinlincoln
EOG Addicted
Re: Herman Cain opens up a 20 point lead over the GOP field and now leads Obama 46-44
Herman Cain: "Stupid People Are Ruining America"
I think his point has been proven!!!!!
Herman Cain: "Stupid People Are Ruining America"
I think his point has been proven!!!!!