If Lose Or If Win Bet Quick Question

BEANTOWNJIM

BEANTOWNJIM

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I NEED A BOOKMAKER TO ANSWER A QUESTION FOR ME I HAVE A FEELING MY LOCAL BOY MIGHT TRY AND PULL A FAST ONE ON ME.

TONIGHT I PLAYED AN IF LOSE BET MEANING IF I WIN MY FIRST GAME I STOP FOR THE NIGHT AND MY SECOND GAME DOESNT KICK IN.WELL TONIGHT MY GAME GAME ENDED UP A PUSH I HAD UNDER 11 IN THE RED SOX GAME.I SUPPOSE THE SAME RULES APPLY TO AN IF WIN BET IF YOU PUSH YOUR FIRST GAME IN AN IF WIN BET DOES THE 2ND GAME KICK IN OR IS IT NO ACTION.

I HAD UNDER 11 RUNS IN THE RED SOX IF LOSE OVER 10 1/2 IN TORONTO I PUSHED THE RED SOX GAME SO I WANT TO KNOW IF MY 2ND GAME COUNTS.I AM BURRYING MY LOCAL BOY SO I HAVE A GUT FEELING HE MIGHT TRY AND SAY THE 2ND GAME GOES ON A PUSH WICH DOESNT SEEM RIGHT TO ME SINCE I DIDNT LOSE MY FIRST GAME.ANY HELP FELLAS MAKE IT SNAPPY I WONT BE ABLE TO SLEEP UNTIL I KNOW
 
BEANTOWNJIM

BEANTOWNJIM

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I HOPE YOU ARE RIGHT JJ THE 2ND GAME JUST WENT UNDER.HOW CAN AN IF LOSE BET GO TO THE 2ND GAME IF THE FIRST GAME DIDNT ACTUALLY LOSE.IT MUST BE NO ACTION I WILL COLD COCK MY BOOKIE IF HE PLAYS GAMES WITH ME I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR A REASON TO DOPE SLAP THIS WHACK JOB.EVERYTIME I MEET THE F-CKING NUT HE STARTS GOING ON AND ON ABOUT THE HISTORY CHANNEL JESUS CHRIST I CANT SHUT HIM UP HE DOESNT DRINK BUT HE HAS ABOUT 10 COFFEES A DAY.THE F-CKING GUY WATCHES THE HISTORY CHANNEL 12 HOURS A DAY HE TOLD ME HE HASNT WORKED A DAY SINCE 1982 AND HE IS ONLY 64 NICE WORK IF YOU CAN GET IT.
 
ZZ CREAM

ZZ CREAM

EOG Master
I would say if book does not stipulate ,"If win or tie" , like most of our guys' if bets, then you would have no action on the second half!
 
BEANTOWNJIM

BEANTOWNJIM

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CREAM ARE IF LOSE BETS OR IF WIN BETS CONSIDERED (ACTION BETS) MEANING THEY AUTOMATICALLY GO TO THE BOTTOM NO MATTER WHAT THE FIRST GAME DOES.


I GUESS IF WIN HAS THE SAME RULES AS IF LOSE.SO WHAT IS THE RULING ON AN IF WIN BET.I KNOW A LOT OF GUYS PLAY IF WINS BUT ONLY A FEW OF US PLAY IF LOSE.

WHAT IS THE RULE ON AN IF WIN BET IF YOU PUSH THE TOP GAME DOES THE BET CONTINUE TO THE BOTTOM GAME OR JUST END AT A PUSH
 
Glaken

Glaken

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Jim,

The bet wasn't made as an if lose/push it was made as an if lose...so I would void your second bet if I were holding your paper.

Clarify before you play bro...

Glaken
 
BEANTOWNJIM

BEANTOWNJIM

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GLAKEN MY LOCAL BOY CANT EVEN COUNT TO 10 AND YOU EXPECT HIM TO EXPLAIN THE IF LOSE RULES.HOW DO THEY GRADE THESE BETS OFFSHORE IT MUST BE A GENERAL RULE FOR ALL IF WIN BETS.GLAKEN THE SHRINK PAYS YOU TO DO A JOB NOW GET OFF YOUR ARSE AND GET AN ANNSWER BEFORE I GO OVER YOUR HEAD AND CALL THE SHRINK MYSELF.LETS GO KID MAKE A COUPLE OF CALLS TO YOUR CONNECTIONS OFFSHORE AND GET SOME ANSWERS.


ANY SPORTSBOOKS AROUND WHO MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION
 
BEANTOWNJIM

BEANTOWNJIM

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GLAKEN I HAVE BEEN BURRYING MY LOCAL BOY SO HE WILL TRY AND PULL A FAST ONE ON ME I AM ALMOST POSITIVE I KNOW HE IS GOING TO TELL ME IT GOES TO THE BOTTOM GAME ON A PUSH.I NEED A SPORTSBOOK TO CLEAR THIS UP SO I CAN FIGHT THIS GUY ON THIS MATTER.I NEED AN EXPLANATION SOI CAN EXPLAIN IT TO THE CLOWN I AM PLAYING WITH HE WOULD LOVE THAT 2ND GAME TO KICK IN AND TAKE THE 770 DOLLAR I BET.
 
THE SHRINK

THE SHRINK

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BEANBREATH!!!

NO ACTION...

THE "IF" implies that you need to either WIN or LOSE to continue on with the second part of the wager...

Since that didn't occur, NO ACTION, baby!!!

That's how I'd explain it to him...

THE SHRINK
 
BEANTOWNJIM

BEANTOWNJIM

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SHRINK IF I HAVE TO FIGHT THE GUY WILL YOU COVER MY BACK I KNOW THE GUY IS 64 YEARS OLD BUT HE TALKS A GOOD GAME HE IS ALWAYS TELLING ME ABOUT THE DUMB IRISH GUY HE USED TO BEAT UP.I PLAY DUMB I TOLD HIM I WAS CANADIEN IMAGINE THIS F-CKING GUY TELLING ME HOW HE USED TO KNOCK OUT IRISHMEN MAN THESE GARLIC SNAPPERS HAVE A LOT OF BALLS.IF HE TELLS ME I HAD ACTION LAST NIGHT I WILL CONFESS I AM IRISH AND NOW ITS TIME FOR ME TO KNOCK OUT AN ITALIAN.I HOPE YOU ARE RIGHT SHRINK BUT YOU KNOW HOW THESE LOCAL GUYS CAN BE THEY CHANGE THERE RULES AS FAST AS CASCADE SPORTSBOOK DOES.I AM GOING TO STICK TO MY GUNS TOMORROW WHEN I TALK TO HIM I JUST HAVE A BAD FEELING HE WILL PULL A FAST ONE.
 
ZZ CREAM

ZZ CREAM

EOG Master
Sorry Bean, I don't know any specific rule to help you. I would always stipulate to one or the other! For example, you would have to clarify with me that you do not want an 'if lose or push', that the push part is not working so to speak. Your guy sounds like quite a few guys I know, except for the non-drinking part! I still believe you have 'no action' on the second half but do not know where some books have this in their rules. ( But as you have seen, sometimes even written rules do not get followed). Good luck!
 
Glaken

Glaken

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Ok Beaner, I actually did my job .... here ya go...from Pinny

Ok Beaner, I actually did my job .... here ya go...from Pinny

If ?bets" are used by many players as a method of money management. The advantage of playing an if bet is that it reduces your exposure to losses. Like a parlay, an if bet links together 2 or more individual plays and circled games may not be added to the if bet. Unlike a parlay, an if bet is not an all-or-nothing wager: the individual plays remain individual wagers and pay at the listed money line if they win. If bets can be a combination of 2-6 Teams. All selections are made active if the first team wins, ties or cancels, you would then have a straight wager(s) on the remaining teams. Players have an option of choosing the conditions of an if bet: (Win, Win/Tie, Lose, Lose/Tie).

Example:
Raiders -7 wager $110 for $100
If win, tie or cancel
Oilers +6 wager $220 for $200
And
Vikings -6 wager $55 for $50

The initial cost of the wager will be determined by the highest amount the play can lose. In this example the initial cost would be $275 because in the event the first team ties or cancels you would need enough funds to cover the next two wagers.

Let's look at an if bet that contains just two plays. You bet on an initial team or total, if that wager wins then the second wager that you chose will automatically be placed. You should therefore always list the bet you are most confident about first. If your initial bet loses, then the second wager is not placed. The status of the linked bets has nothing to do with the games? starting times or what order they are played, it is strictly a logical relation. Even if the first game in your if bet is played hours after the second one, the status of the second bet must wait for the first game?s results.

The amount of the total wager is collected at the time you place the entire bet sequence.
The amount of all individual wagers that comprise the if bet could be different, they must just be changed once in the final stages of confirming the bet on the bet amount section.
 
BEANTOWNJIM

BEANTOWNJIM

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SHRINK YOU MUST KNOW THE RULE ON AN IF WIN BET IF YOU PUSH ON THE TOP HALF OF AN IF WIN BET DOES IT GO TO THE 2ND GAME OR DOES IT END AT A PUSH.DOES ACTION MEAN WIN, LOSE OR PUSH YOU HAVE ACTION.I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I A KNOW WHAT I AM ARGUING ABOUT TOMORROW WHEN I TALK TO HIM.THIS SHOULD BE AN EASY QUESTION WHEN YOU PLAY AN IF WIN OFFSHORE AND YOUR TOP GAME PUSHES DOES THE BET END OR GO TO THE 2ND GAME I AM SURE ALL OFFSHORE SPORTSBOOKS HAVE THE SAME RULING ON THIS BET
 
THE SHRINK

THE SHRINK

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JIMBO,

I am not a bookie, nor have I ever made an "IF" LOSE bet or an "IF" WIN bet...

Judging from what Pinnacle's rule says, it sounds like IF your first wager WINS or PUSHES, then you do indeed have ACTION on the second bet...

THE SHRINK
 
BEANTOWNJIM

BEANTOWNJIM

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WE WERE BOTH TYPING AT THE SAME TIME.THANKS FOR NOTHING SHRINK JESUS CHRIST YOU WANT TO SIT ON A DISPUTE PANEL AND YOU DONT EVEN KNOW THE RULES OF BETS.THANKS FOR THE HELP SHRINK YOU ACTUALLY GAVE ME HOPE NOW I KNOW I AM F-CKED
 
THE SHRINK

THE SHRINK

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Beanbreath,

No, I actually don't know every rule involved with sports betting. But, I do know that some books have DIFFERENT rules than others and it's important to do your own homework on this BEFORE HAND...

Locals have their own set of rules too that are not always consistent with Vegas or Offshore..

I'd still try presenting some of the arguments you have heard here from other posters and myself who are trying to HELP you dingbat!

THE SHRINK
 
BEANTOWNJIM

BEANTOWNJIM

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HEY SHRINK WHAT ARE YOU A COMEDIEN I CALLED THAT NUMBER YOU E-MAILED ME AND I GOT GAMBLERS ANONYMOUS NEXT TIME YOU PULL A STUNT LIKE THIS I AM PERSONALLY GOING TO FLY TO YOUR HOUSE AND KICK YOUR ARSE.

(GA)HELLO GAMBLERS ANONYMOUS
(BTJ) I AM LOOKING FOR THE SHRINK KEN WEITZNER
(GA) WHO YOU WANT SIR
(BTJ) KEN WEITZNER TOLD ME TO CALL THIS NUMBER HE WAS GOING TO HELP ME OUT
(GA)HEY STEVE DO YOU KNOW A KEN WETZNER KNOWN AS THE SHRINK,WE HAVE SHRINKS HERE BUT NOBODY NAMED KEN
(GA) DO YOU HAVE A GAMBLING PROBLEM BEANTOWNJIM
(BTJ) NO A FRIEND OF MINE PLAYED A PRACTICAL JOKE ON ME AND GAVE ME YOUR NUMBER BY THE WAY WHO DO THE DEADBEATS LIKE TONIGHT IN THE PATRIOTS GAME
(GA) WE DONT GAMBLE HERE WE TALK ABOUT OUR PROBLEM WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK BEANTOWNJIM
(BTJ) GET THE F-CK AWAY FROM ME YOU LOSERS I AM ON THE ROLL OF MY LIFE CLICK

SHRINK YOU PLAY ANOTHER JOKE LIKE THIS AND BELIEVE ME PAL JOHNNY KNOCKDOWN WILL BE PAYING YOU A VISIT.SHRINK WHAT IS YOUR REAL PHONE NUMBER I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT AN INCREASE IN PAY.
 
BEANTOWNJIM

BEANTOWNJIM

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SHRINK I AM GOING TO GIVE IT ANOTHER SHOT I WILL CALL YOU LATER TODAY I JUST HOPE YOU GAVE ME THE RIGHT NUMBER THIS TIME.


SHRINK TO BE HONEST WITH YOU MY WIFE SAID SHE NEVER WANTS TO CATCH ME CALLING ANY WOMEN THAT I CHAT WITH ONLINE SHE NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT MEN.WHAT THE F-CK IMAGINE IF MY WIFE FINDS OUT I AM CHATTING WITH A MAN I MET ONLINE NAMED THE SHRINK.JEEZ I JUST THOUGHT OF A SCARIER THOUGHT IMAGINE IF JOHNNY KNOCKDOWN AND THE BOYS AT THE IRISH SOCIAL CLUB FIND OUT I CALLED A MAN I MET ONLINE JESUS CHRIST I MIGHT GET THE BEATING OF MY LIFE.SHRINK MAYBE WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO E-MAIL EACH OTHER HELL I AM A HETEROSEXUEL MAN WHO DOESNT CHAT WITH MEN I MEET ONLINE.

THE LAST GUY WHO JOHNNY KNOCKDOWN AND THE BOYS FOUND OUT WAS CHATTING WITH MEN ONLINE WAS TIED UP ON THE FLAGPOLE AND HOISTED 20 FEET UPSIDE DOWN LIKE AN AMERICAN FLAG.I KNOW THIS BECAUSE I WAS ON OF THE GUYS PULLING ON THE ROPE:D
 
BEANTOWNJIM

BEANTOWNJIM

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BOYS GOOD NEWS TO REPORT I JUST GOT OFF THE PHONE WITH MY BOOKIE I OUTSMARTED THE F-CKING IDIOT.INSTEAD OF GIVING HIM THE UPPER HAND AND TELLING ME WHAT HAPPENED LAST NIGHT I MADE MY POINT FIRST.I SAID SO LARRY LOOKS LIKE I HAD A WINNER LAST NIGHT.HE SAYS JIM WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT YOUR FIRST GAME WAS A PUSH SO YOU HAD NO ACTION ON THE 2ND GAME.:D I JUST SAID TO MYSELF THANKS LARRY THATS ALL I WANTED TO HEAR.(SO BOYS AT MY LOCAL SHOP IF YOU PUSH THE FIRST GAME OF AN IF LOSE IT DOESNT GO TO THE BOTTOM GAME THANK GOD)NOW I FEEL GOOD ABOUT TONIGHT I SAVED MYSELF 770 DOLLARS
 
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Nimue77

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Wow, Beantownjim is a assh*le.

BEANTOWNJIM said:
WE WERE BOTH TYPING AT THE SAME TIME.THANKS FOR NOTHING SHRINK JESUS CHRIST YOU WANT TO SIT ON A DISPUTE PANEL AND YOU DONT EVEN KNOW THE RULES OF BETS.THANKS FOR THE HELP SHRINK YOU ACTUALLY GAVE ME HOPE NOW I KNOW I AM F-CKED
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