Is Jeremy Lin untradeable?

#81
Re: Is Jeremy Lin untradeable?

In his career he shoots 46%. I like to use those numbers, but you can use his injury laden season as his skill level.

As for Jordan rarely shooting 50%, maybe look things up before you say them at times Heim. Kobe you are right about, but Jordan is a career 50% shooter and that includes those 2 years with the Wizards. He's above 50 in his Bulls career.
 

Heim

EOG Master
#82
Re: Is Jeremy Lin untradeable?

In his career he shoots 46%. I like to use those numbers, but you can use his injury laden season as his skill level.

As for Jordan rarely shooting 50%, maybe look things up before you say them at times Heim. Kobe you are right about, but Jordan is a career 50% shooter and that includes those 2 years with the Wizards. He's above 50 in his Bulls career.

I don't have to look up his 'Airness'. I won a quick 'C' note at a sports bar a few years
back with a guy who was insistent that Jordan was >50%. He shot .497 and worse
in the playoffs. However I agree...seldom might have been a bad choice of words
re MJ.
 

pbovi

EOG Dedicated
#83
Re: Is Jeremy Lin untradeable?

Bovi says:

"This guy is a 39% shooter this year or are you watching? Nobody cares. He has 4 games this year where he has exceeded 50% from the field"



It's silly to make a statement like the above, setting the bar at 50% for a scorer like Melo. Kobe and Jordan seldom shoot/shot 50% in a game. Their respective game is not predicated on high percentage shots. I put Melo in that class.
Heim, you are a bright guy but these statements undermine your reputation. When a guy is shooting 39%, he is hurting the team, unless of course a sizable percentage of those shots are from beyond the arc, and especially if it is coming at the expense of others who are more accurate. 20% of Anthony's shots are from beyond which would increase his shooting productivity by a minimal amount. Kobe at 43% is not great, but 43>39. MJ's worst full season from a percentage standpoint during his days as a Bull was .465 and that was his last year. You should have never thrown MJ into your argument as you are obviously not familiar with his stats; 5 straight years well above 50%. Putting Melo into Jordan's stratosphere is like comparing Chuck Steak to Filet Mignon.
 

pbovi

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#84
Re: Is Jeremy Lin untradeable?

wouldn't call this his first bad game either. He was pretty atrocious vs Minnesota, but somehow got labeled a hero because he split a pair of FT's with 4 seconds left to win the game.

He wasn't just sub par last night bovi, he was the worst player out there. Is he all of a sudden terrible because he isn't ready for a team like the Heat? No, but it proves he is not what people are making him out to be. Melo is still by far the #1 on this team. Amare is the #2.

Lin is a nice player that went on a great run vs some poor competition to start off his Knick career. To make him out to be an All star at this point is laughable, let alone a MVP candidate (BTW Lebron is a crazy -180 to win MVP at the All star break. Durant and Paul only other names that should be talked about imo).
Wow...I guess because he shot 8 of 24 and had 6 turnovers you would call that 'atrocious'. He did have 6 boards 3 steals and 8 assists to go along with that. I am glad you were not my kindergarten teacher or I would have been scarred for life.
 
#85
Re: Is Jeremy Lin untradeable?

You can't just go off stats alone bovi (although those stats are very bad). Lin was 8 of 24 and with the game close in the 2h he was 1-11 with about 5 turnovers in the 2h. His teammates stepped up to save the game, but Lin did his absolute best to give that game to Minnesota. Most of the missed shots were a an inch off or anything like that, they were nowhere near going in. He must have had 4 shots blocked in that second half
 
#86
Re: Is Jeremy Lin untradeable?

Wow...I guess because he shot 8 of 24 and had 6 turnovers you would call that 'atrocious'. He did have 6 boards 3 steals and 8 assists to go along with that. I am glad you were not my kindergarten teacher or I would have been scarred for life.
A missed shot is almost as good as a turnover. Unless you have guys there cleaning up your trash.

Stats are a bad way to go with the NBA, theyre meaningless. Kevin Love is a stat machine yet he doesnt make them matter as that team is barely 500 and isnt playing a really tough schedule thus far. Reggie Evans a guy no one even knows goes in gets 6-9 rebounds in 12 minutes and 0 points and makes a huge difference in the flow of a game.

Lin is a feel good story nothing more. I am sure for awhile he was like an upper for that team, guys bought in they played harder and THAT more than him made a difference. he isnt a total stiff by any means but he isnt nearly as good as the hype he receives either. Mo Williams came off the bench for the Clippers at the beginning of the season and had about 6 unreal games, basically all star quality types. Not a peep about him. He got a small injury issue and he petered off. But still plays high quality but just not as spectacular as those first few games. Obviously Williams was a former all star and a starter on a lot of teams, so that story isnt as interesting as the Asian kid from Harvard who plays in new York.

But even without a single inch of tape on this guy he was still turning the ball over. You think it is a coincidence that the more he plays the more turnovers he has? It should be the other way around right? As in the more time he gets the better he gets? Not if teams start figuring him out. he cant go left, he cant play through a screen, he cant handle the ball in certain situations and turns it over. Three very big negatives against him right there. Which teams have exploited time and time again.

He was a product of being unknown as well as playing a bunch of really bad teams. They won 7 in a row against the shittiest teams in the league. They also, after people saw film on the guy, lost a couple games to bad teams.

To think Lin is going to carry this team the way an MVP type guy is supposed to is a frigging joke.

I will say what I said before, next year at this time Knicks and everyone else will be wondering why they didnt trade this kid when they had the chance to. because I think going forward he is more of a liability than a commodity. best thing he is good for now is a quick cash grab as everyone cashes in on the sexiness of the whole thing. But that is running to an end as well. So his over all 'value' at this point is at best flat lined and more than likely will free fall as he continues to struggle going forward.
 

pbovi

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#87
Re: Is Jeremy Lin untradeable?

A missed shot is almost as good as a turnover. Unless you have guys there cleaning up your trash.

Stats are a bad way to go with the NBA, theyre meaningless. Kevin Love is a stat machine yet he doesnt make them matter as that team is barely 500 and isnt playing a really tough schedule thus far. Reggie Evans a guy no one even knows goes in gets 6-9 rebounds in 12 minutes and 0 points and makes a huge difference in the flow of a game.

Lin is a feel good story nothing more. I am sure for awhile he was like an upper for that team, guys bought in they played harder and THAT more than him made a difference. he isnt a total stiff by any means but he isnt nearly as good as the hype he receives either. Mo Williams came off the bench for the Clippers at the beginning of the season and had about 6 unreal games, basically all star quality types. Not a peep about him. He got a small injury issue and he petered off. But still plays high quality but just not as spectacular as those first few games. Obviously Williams was a former all star and a starter on a lot of teams, so that story isnt as interesting as the Asian kid from Harvard who plays in new York.

But even without a single inch of tape on this guy he was still turning the ball over. You think it is a coincidence that the more he plays the more turnovers he has? It should be the other way around right? As in the more time he gets the better he gets? Not if teams start figuring him out. he cant go left, he cant play through a screen, he cant handle the ball in certain situations and turns it over. Three very big negatives against him right there. Which teams have exploited time and time again.

He was a product of being unknown as well as playing a bunch of really bad teams. They won 7 in a row against the shittiest teams in the league. They also, after people saw film on the guy, lost a couple games to bad teams.

To think Lin is going to carry this team the way an MVP type guy is supposed to is a frigging joke.

I will say what I said before, next year at this time Knicks and everyone else will be wondering why they didnt trade this kid when they had the chance to. because I think going forward he is more of a liability than a commodity. best thing he is good for now is a quick cash grab as everyone cashes in on the sexiness of the whole thing. But that is running to an end as well. So his over all 'value' at this point is at best flat lined and more than likely will free fall as he continues to struggle going forward.
It will never be a straight line up in the first year, particularly considering his limited background...As far as losing to bad teams, they lost to New Orleans in a flat spot with Carmelo back in the lineup. It will play out the way it plays out. Overall to this point the guy has been a huge success and has far exceeded all expectations. Take out the Heat game and if the best you got is Minnesota, that ain't much cause the numbers were by no means terrible.
 
#88
Re: Is Jeremy Lin untradeable?

I think, and the stats show, that Lin is pretty decent especially for a rookie.

...I predict he'll get better as time goes on and will show as no fluke.
 

Heim

EOG Master
#89
Re: Is Jeremy Lin untradeable?

Probably mentioned herein but isn't a lot easier to prevail when you're an unknown
quantity versus known? Let's see how he does going forward with double teams
and help side defense when he drives. To put it into gambling terms 'under' on
the Lin props might have some value.
 
#90
Re: Is Jeremy Lin untradeable?

Probably mentioned herein but isn't a lot easier to prevail when you're an unknown
quantity versus known? Let's see how he does going forward with double teams
and help side defense when he drives. To put it into gambling terms 'under' on
the Lin props might have some value.
Yep, except he's a little smarter than some of my brothas from the hood...I think he'll figger it out, if he doesn't get injured.

...and then once that dick-wad Stern figgers the Chink Dollar is riding on this kid, he'll start getting the refs to protect him.
 

pbovi

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#91
Re: Is Jeremy Lin untradeable?

Yep, except he's a little smarter than some of my brothas from the hood...I think he'll figger it out, if he doesn't get injured.

...and then once that dick-wad Stern figgers the Chink Dollar is riding on this kid, he'll start getting the refs to protect him.
Great point on the Stern thing as he is a lawyer with dollar signs dancing through his head as is the case with most attorneys. Everything Stern does is in the name of dollars and cents. Integrity takes a back seat.
 
#92
Re: Is Jeremy Lin untradeable?

Yep, except he's a little smarter than some of my brothas from the hood...I think he'll figger it out, if he doesn't get injured.

...and then once that dick-wad Stern figgers the Chink Dollar is riding on this kid, he'll start getting the refs to protect him.
:shoot::shoot:
Yeah his intelligence will rescue him vs the athleticism of NBA players and defenses. He can't beat good double teams because his game isn't complete enough to do so. It has nothing to do with smarts... If his smarts were carrying him, every time he did something poorly and said "I'm gonna learn from this" would be the last time - yet he continues to jump in the air without an idea as to what he's gonna do.

One last time, Lin is a formidable starter but that MVP talk had me dying.
 

pbovi

EOG Dedicated
#95
Re: Is Jeremy Lin untradeable?

:shoot::shoot:
Yeah his intelligence will rescue him vs the athleticism of NBA players and defenses. He can't beat good double teams because his game isn't complete enough to do so. It has nothing to do with smarts... If his smarts were carrying him, every time he did something poorly and said "I'm gonna learn from this" would be the last time - yet he continues to jump in the air without an idea as to what he's gonna do.

One last time, Lin is a formidable starter but that MVP talk had me dying.
The MVP talk was for those 10 games which I stand by. When you finish laughing, if you can name another player over that period that elevated his team further, and in the case of the Knicks from the abyss, name him. The guy is 12 games in to his career for the most part and you are basically saying he cannot correct his deficiencies which is just plain idiotic. When Magic Johnson was drafted he could not hit anything outside of the paint. He worked his game and the shots began to fall. Chris Mullin was a boozer and became one of the top players in the history of the game. JJ Redick was drafted and looked to be another Duke disaster. He worked on his strength and his overall game and has doubled his scoring average, plays defense, and hits 44% from beyond the arc. There are numerous examples like this just as there are many that came up, coasted, and faded into oblivion. This guy is a work in progress but he has the skills, determination, and foundation to be a top notch player for a long time. He is also a cool cucumber in that he takes and makes shots under adverse, game on the line conditions, which is something that cannot be taught.
 
#97
Re: Is Jeremy Lin untradeable?

Of course, he's not tradeable.

He's the hugest draw in the biggest NBA market. Do you notice the crowd in the other NBA Eastern markets?. Plenty of empty seats for 14-yr old boys to sneak into down front.

If Lin fizzles, maybe. But he ain't going anywhere now.
 
#99
Re: Is Jeremy Lin untradeable?

The MVP talk was for those 10 games which I stand by. When you finish laughing, if you can name another player over that period that elevated his team further, and in the case of the Knicks from the abyss, name him. The guy is 12 games in to his career for the most part and you are basically saying he cannot correct his deficiencies which is just plain idiotic. When Magic Johnson was drafted he could not hit anything outside of the paint. He worked his game and the shots began to fall. Chris Mullin was a boozer and became one of the top players in the history of the game. JJ Redick was drafted and looked to be another Duke disaster. He worked on his strength and his overall game and has doubled his scoring average, plays defense, and hits 44% from beyond the arc. There are numerous examples like this just as there are many that came up, coasted, and faded into oblivion. This guy is a work in progress but he has the skills, determination, and foundation to be a top notch player for a long time. He is also a cool cucumber in that he takes and makes shots under adverse, game on the line conditions, which is something that cannot be taught.
Here's someone who knows a little about baskets ^^^^

Folks like Timley Zero, Heim, & 4moi need to read shit like this, because we'll serve up this plate of crow later.
 

Heim

EOG Master
Re: Is Jeremy Lin untradeable?

fyi,

Sportsbook.com reported bettors put $3K on Lin to win MVP at 100-1, $5K at 75-1, $12K at 50-1. Now at 25-1.
 
Re: Is Jeremy Lin untradeable?

he's making 188k. he's tradeable.
Though Taiwanese-American point guard Jeremy Lin has led the New York Knicks to a season-best five consecutive victories and reinvigorated the once-struggling franchise, he is only set to earn US$788,872 for the current NBA season, the league minimum for players with his level of experience.
 
Re: Is Jeremy Lin untradeable?

The fact that you don't understand the difference between Lin not being a rookie and Blake still being one last year says all I need to know. Blake was closer to being a rookie because he broke his leg and couldn't play or practice. Lin practiced and was available to play and he's not a rookie. It's simply a fact.
 
Re: Is Jeremy Lin untradeable?

The fact that you don't understand the difference between Lin not being a rookie and Blake still being one last year says all I need to know. Blake was closer to being a rookie because he broke his leg and couldn't play or practice. Lin practiced and was available to play and he's not a rookie. It's simply a fact.
yadda, yadda, yadda...

...12 games: he's a rookie. Period.
 

pbovi

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Re: Is Jeremy Lin untradeable?

The fact that you don't understand the difference between Lin not being a rookie and Blake still being one last year says all I need to know. Blake was closer to being a rookie because he broke his leg and couldn't play or practice. Lin practiced and was available to play and he's not a rookie. It's simply a fact.
I do know the rules here, but the point was that theoretically speaking both had played sparingly, the only difference was that Blake's was in the preseason while Lin's was real time. Blake did practice. In certain sports you have to log a minimum to lose rookie status (MLB 130 at bats). In the NBA you are basically disqualified if you are on a roster during the regular season. It seemed obvious you were attempting to negate what Lin accomplished in his dozen games by suggesting he had logged a whole lot of minutes. You are worthy of my first avatar:LMAO
 
Re: Is Jeremy Lin untradeable?

He's not a rookie, that's simply a fact. The fact that you two have written 2 paragraphs each trying to argue a fact is quite comical.

Both played sparingly? Huh? Jeremy Lin played 29 games last year, not 12 and Griffin played ZERO games.

The best part about this is 2 guys who had never heard of Jeremy Lin before a couple weeks ago is telling me how good he is - yet I knew and watched him at Harvard and said he was a bonafide starter after his 2nd game with the Knicks. Kill me now.
 

pbovi

EOG Dedicated
Re: Is Jeremy Lin untradeable?

He's not a rookie, that's simply a fact. The fact that you two have written 2 paragraphs each trying to argue a fact is quite comical.

Both played sparingly? Huh? Jeremy Lin played 29 games last year, not 12 and Griffin played ZERO games.

The best part about this is 2 guys who had never heard of Jeremy Lin before a couple weeks ago is telling me how good he is - yet I knew and watched him at Harvard and said he was a bonafide starter after his 2nd game with the Knicks. Kill me now.
OK...I submit that he played 290 minutes last year....my implication was that the 290 qualified as very limited. It was never supposed to be a legal definition.
 
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