Larry Bird On Lebron
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TrailerParkBoys
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"All in all it's just a....another brick in the wall"
"All in all it's just a....another brick in the wall"
Viejo Dinosaur
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MVP awards are nothing like a ring....ask any NBA player what they would rather have....
MVP awards are nothing like a ring....ask any NBA player what they would rather have....
steak tartar
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true but its not a gauge of who is better..............marino has no rings difler one...marino is 1000 times the qb dilfer was
and when comparing guys from different eras we have to adjust for their time when they played.....or how can we compare unitas to favre or cobb to musial or bird to lebron
you compare them against thier competition when they played and make adjustments...of course unitas would be a bench warmer today but that doesnt mean he wasnt better than favre or elway....you have to adjust for the era
its all subjective but rings would be a 10% er for me when finding a guys overall quality
true but its not a gauge of who is better..............marino has no rings difler one...marino is 1000 times the qb dilfer was
and when comparing guys from different eras we have to adjust for their time when they played.....or how can we compare unitas to favre or cobb to musial or bird to lebron
you compare them against thier competition when they played and make adjustments...of course unitas would be a bench warmer today but that doesnt mean he wasnt better than favre or elway....you have to adjust for the era
its all subjective but rings would be a 10% er for me when finding a guys overall quality
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joeybagadonuts
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Easily most sensible thing said in this thread.
And trust me, the nose knows.
:btj:
Easily most sensible thing said in this thread.
And trust me, the nose knows.
:btj:
Viejo Dinosaur
EOG Master
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Dilfer was a lottery ring....but I know what you are saying...
Dilfer was a lottery ring....but I know what you are saying...
LQQKer
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http://community.advancednflstats.com/2012/02/display-noneh4-margin-top-1em-margin.html
Here's a metric using Superbowl rings: "Ring Probability Added"
Number geeks (like me) love this stuff.
http://community.advancednflstats.com/2012/02/display-noneh4-margin-top-1em-margin.html
Here's a metric using Superbowl rings: "Ring Probability Added"
Number geeks (like me) love this stuff.
steak tartar
EOG Dedicated
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..ya i now....rings are what they are a small gauge.............gale sayers was as good as anyone jim brown barry sanders included.....he had a short career and no where near a winner.........but he was without a doubt a top 5RB ever
Re: Larry Bird On Lebron
This proves my point exactly. Kills the reg season vs the eastern conference who 75% of the teams play at a high school level.
Hits the playoffs vs the men and vanishes every single season. Dude has zero heart, hes a clown.
This proves my point exactly. Kills the reg season vs the eastern conference who 75% of the teams play at a high school level.
Hits the playoffs vs the men and vanishes every single season. Dude has zero heart, hes a clown.
IrishTim
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Short term memory. Before the last two seasons, Lebron was as dominant in the postseason as you could be with the quality of his teammates.
Short term memory. Before the last two seasons, Lebron was as dominant in the postseason as you could be with the quality of his teammates.
Mjh702
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:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO from your mouth to all these Gaybron fans ears. Gaybron just isn't a winner. Doesn't have that killer instinct it takes to win at the highest level. Is he athletic? Of course. Does he have top two or three skills in the league? Yes. The guy just falls apart when it counts. Come playoff time he disappears.
This is what Bird is saying. Gaybron may be this super athlete, Kobe wins. People remember winners and fans like their teams to win.
Kobe would give back his only MVP ring, and any other awards for another championship ring, even though he already has five. That's a winner. Pay attention Gaybron, your window of opportunity is shrinking by the game.
:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO from your mouth to all these Gaybron fans ears. Gaybron just isn't a winner. Doesn't have that killer instinct it takes to win at the highest level. Is he athletic? Of course. Does he have top two or three skills in the league? Yes. The guy just falls apart when it counts. Come playoff time he disappears.
This is what Bird is saying. Gaybron may be this super athlete, Kobe wins. People remember winners and fans like their teams to win.
Kobe would give back his only MVP ring, and any other awards for another championship ring, even though he already has five. That's a winner. Pay attention Gaybron, your window of opportunity is shrinking by the game.
Viejo Dinosaur
EOG Master
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Lebron is no Jeremy Lin.....:lol:cheers
What a great story....just goes to show what happens if you get a chance....
Lebron is no Jeremy Lin.....:lol:cheers
What a great story....just goes to show what happens if you get a chance....
op:
LQQKer
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Some stats for the haters:
http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Efficiency.jsp
Some stats for the haters:
http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Efficiency.jsp
Re: Larry Bird On Lebron
Did you see the defense they played in that youtube video? Watch it again. They actually ran out of LeBrons way when he would drive. In the 70s and 80s, you got knocked on your ass.
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and the most surrounding him and he pulled off one of the biggest choke jobs in NBA history.
LQQKer
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Right, game 4 easily could have gone either way, thus 7 games. It was a close, coin-flip series. Heat lost, and then the haters come out and fly the "Immaturity, false sense of entitlement, and no heart" flags.
Get this shit out of your systems, and you'll be better handicappers, folks.
Right, game 4 easily could have gone either way, thus 7 games. It was a close, coin-flip series. Heat lost, and then the haters come out and fly the "Immaturity, false sense of entitlement, and no heart" flags.
Get this shit out of your systems, and you'll be better handicappers, folks.
kid44
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Hypothetically if there was one on one competitions Lebron would most likely win. However, last time i looked you are rated by your teams accomplishments. Lebron has shown me that he cannot win when it counts. That alone makes me think he is not the best. Give me 5 guys with less talent that have drive, smarts, determination and know the game inside and out, would win over a Lebron lead team imo. Hopefully as time goes on, he becomes a better teammate and improves in the team aspect of the game.
Hypothetically if there was one on one competitions Lebron would most likely win. However, last time i looked you are rated by your teams accomplishments. Lebron has shown me that he cannot win when it counts. That alone makes me think he is not the best. Give me 5 guys with less talent that have drive, smarts, determination and know the game inside and out, would win over a Lebron lead team imo. Hopefully as time goes on, he becomes a better teammate and improves in the team aspect of the game.
Viejo Dinosaur
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I think the NBA places a much more value on championship rings or titles more than any other sport....just seems that way for me....baseball the least.....
I think the NBA places a much more value on championship rings or titles more than any other sport....just seems that way for me....baseball the least.....
NoCap
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lebron is the definition of "NO I IN TEAM"
kobe isnt getting enough credit anymore. kobe can win with ANYONE. lebron will never be the player kobe is/was , the stats might say different but having that extra something that wins titles is something that wont show up on paper.
lebron is the definition of "NO I IN TEAM"
kobe isnt getting enough credit anymore. kobe can win with ANYONE. lebron will never be the player kobe is/was , the stats might say different but having that extra something that wins titles is something that wont show up on paper.
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Getting a ring may be overrated but LebRon single-handidly lost a NBA championship. That can't by overlooked.
Getting a ring may be overrated but LebRon single-handidly lost a NBA championship. That can't by overlooked.
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LeBron
LeBron
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Today's players don't have the heart and work ethic that the greats of the past had.
Today's players don't have the heart and work ethic that the greats of the past had.
LQQKer
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Michael Jordan, Walter Payton, Jerry Rice. Who works harder today?
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joeybagadonuts
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Tim Lincecum stopped eating McDonalds after his bong hits and has lost 20+ lbs of fat this off-season.
Now THAT is some hard work!
Tim Lincecum stopped eating McDonalds after his bong hits and has lost 20+ lbs of fat this off-season.
Now THAT is some hard work!
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Great quote from Lebron. Loved that. Love when athletes shut up haters by reminding them who lives the better life.
Next time people start asking stupid questions to Lebron he should just bring his MVP trophys, pictures of his ridiculous house, and a print out of his bank account and let those speak for themselves. :btj:
Great quote from Lebron. Loved that. Love when athletes shut up haters by reminding them who lives the better life.
Next time people start asking stupid questions to Lebron he should just bring his MVP trophys, pictures of his ridiculous house, and a print out of his bank account and let those speak for themselves. :btj:
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did i really just read that?
kobe has won titles with a top 10 all time player (shaq) in his prime, and then with gasol/bynum/odom, three all star caliber players.
kobe does not have 1 title when he wasnt on the BY FAR the most talented team in the nba. In fact for three of his titles he was not even the best player on his team (arguably).
He whined and wanted out of LA for the few short years he wasnt lucky enough to be surrounded by all stars until they got Pau gasol for free
kobe has never played with teams as bad as the cavs teams Lebron got to the top of the Eastern conf year after year and even somehow made the NBA championship game with them
:shoot:
did i really just read that?
kobe has won titles with a top 10 all time player (shaq) in his prime, and then with gasol/bynum/odom, three all star caliber players.
kobe does not have 1 title when he wasnt on the BY FAR the most talented team in the nba. In fact for three of his titles he was not even the best player on his team (arguably).
He whined and wanted out of LA for the few short years he wasnt lucky enough to be surrounded by all stars until they got Pau gasol for free
kobe has never played with teams as bad as the cavs teams Lebron got to the top of the Eastern conf year after year and even somehow made the NBA championship game with them
:shoot:
LQQKer
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..umm, two of those guys are NFL players...
...and if you don't think these guys are working hard enough for your dollar, quit watching 'em.
..umm, two of those guys are NFL players...
...and if you don't think these guys are working hard enough for your dollar, quit watching 'em.
TrailerParkBoys
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Osiris Eldridge is the hardest worker.....Timely said so.
Osiris Eldridge is the hardest worker.....Timely said so.
IrishTim
EOG Dedicated
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Weren't they not in the playoffs the year before he got there?
Arguably the dumbest thing you've ever said.
Weren't they not in the playoffs the year before he got there?
Arguably the dumbest thing you've ever said.
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How would you know? You weren't there to see it. Everything changes with time. Athletes are better physically today but don't have the same work ethic and desire today.
Timely Hero
Jacoby Blows
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This isn't football Tim. There are 5 guys on the floor at one time, not 12, and there are 11 on a roster - not 54. The NBA title is decided by one player frequently. Dirk had such an incredible playoffs last year that he won a title - no one would debate that.
Every Lebron supporter used the Cavs excuse forever. Last year he was on a roster with another top 5 player in the NBA and a top 5 PF - they lost. How can the best player in the league "easily" according to you guys not win a title when he's surrounded by one great player and another very good player? Lebron is a top 5 player in the NBA, but your just as ignorant and naive as the Lebron haters when you say he's easily the best player in the league. He's simply not. He may be the most gifted - similar to David Robinson in his day - but he's not on "another level" as you try to portray it.
Shaq was the most dominant player in the league - Champion
Kober was the best player in the league - Champion
Duncan was the best player in the league - Champion
Hakeem was the best player in the league - Champion
Jordan was the best player in the league - Champion
This isn't football Tim. There are 5 guys on the floor at one time, not 12, and there are 11 on a roster - not 54. The NBA title is decided by one player frequently. Dirk had such an incredible playoffs last year that he won a title - no one would debate that.
Every Lebron supporter used the Cavs excuse forever. Last year he was on a roster with another top 5 player in the NBA and a top 5 PF - they lost. How can the best player in the league "easily" according to you guys not win a title when he's surrounded by one great player and another very good player? Lebron is a top 5 player in the NBA, but your just as ignorant and naive as the Lebron haters when you say he's easily the best player in the league. He's simply not. He may be the most gifted - similar to David Robinson in his day - but he's not on "another level" as you try to portray it.
Shaq was the most dominant player in the league - Champion
Kober was the best player in the league - Champion
Duncan was the best player in the league - Champion
Hakeem was the best player in the league - Champion
Jordan was the best player in the league - Champion
Timely Hero
Jacoby Blows
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Truly mind boggling that someone as smart as you would compare winning a title as one man in the NBA to winning a title as one man in the NFL.
If Lebron had played with Shaq? Uh, he played with the best 2 guard in the NBA last year and didn't win a thing. He played with a Finals MVP in fact.
Tim, if it's all about efficiency ratings and numbers in basketball then Lebron must be better than Jordan, right? I can only imagine how much love Big O would have gotten from you guys. He averaged a triple double one season and wasn't anywhere near being considered the "best player in the league by far."
Truly mind boggling that someone as smart as you would compare winning a title as one man in the NBA to winning a title as one man in the NFL.
If Lebron had played with Shaq? Uh, he played with the best 2 guard in the NBA last year and didn't win a thing. He played with a Finals MVP in fact.
Tim, if it's all about efficiency ratings and numbers in basketball then Lebron must be better than Jordan, right? I can only imagine how much love Big O would have gotten from you guys. He averaged a triple double one season and wasn't anywhere near being considered the "best player in the league by far."