the start of something good for us poker players

redstripe

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A Brooklyn judge dealt a winning hand to card players across the nation Tuesday, ruling that poker is mostly a game of skill, not luck, and is therefore legal under federal law.
The 120-page decision by Federal Judge Jack Weinstein folded the conviction of Lawrence Dicristina, of Staten Island, who admitted to running Texas Hold?em contests.
It marked the first time a court ruled poker cannot be considered illegal gambling and could bolster the case to legalize Internet poker.
?While players? actions are influenced by chance events, their decisions are based on skill,? the judge wrote. ?By bluffing, for example, players can overcome the power of chance and win a hand despite holding inferior cards.?
But under the judge?s ruling, poker dens would still be considered gambling under New York law, which defines the activity as any game that has some dependence on luck, while the federal statute says gambling is mostly dependent on luck.
Still, poker enthusiasts went all-in when celebrating the game-changing decision.
John Pappas, director of the Poker Players Alliance, which helped in Dicristina?s defense, called the ruling ?a major victory for the game of poker and the millions of Americans who enjoy playing it.?
He added: "Poker is an American pastime that is deeply embedded in the history and fabric of our nation and his decision sets aside the notion that the vague laws render the game criminal."
The case was a rare example of a prosecution of a poker room that didn't involve any other illegalities, providing a good test-case, insiders said.
A defense expert provided powerful evidence that skillful players consistently win over time, while poor ones consistently lose. Evidence included additional research that also supported that finding.
With the deck stacked against them, prosecutors provided an expert who failed to contradict those conclusions.
The judge also rejected the government's argument that other illegal gambling games - like sports betting or blackjack - involve an element of skill. He found that poker is the only example where the role of expertise is higher than 50%.:cheers
 

Bagiant

EOG Dedicated
Re: the start of something good for us poker players

The only way poker is a game of skill, is if you're playing draw poker. That's why Gardena, Ca had poker before anyone else.
 

eberetta1

EOG Addicted
Re: the start of something good for us poker players

So it is all dependent on wording. 'considered gambling because it has some dependence on luck' vs. 'gambling is mostly dependent on luck'. Sounds like more and more, the Federal laws differ from state laws.
 

KKoz9

EOG Senior Member
Re: the start of something good for us poker players

I think the distinction is that "gambling" is based on purely chance while you can still win in poker even if you don't have the best cards
 

Betmonkey

EOG Veteran
Re: the start of something good for us poker players

you can now play Madden football game online for money through ES Sports so what is the difference?? Legalize poker, get your share American Gov., and let's move on
 

LCD

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Re: the start of something good for us poker players

The only way poker is a game of skill, is if you're playing draw poker. That's why Gardena, Ca had poker before anyone else.

I just saw this, and it's pretty delusional. Next time don't decide to wager a $1500 entry in the LVH SuperContest on 10,6 unsuited in first position with three guys waiting for big hands to take your chips. It only seems unskillful if you're not aware of what's going on.
 

Dwight

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Re: the start of something good for us poker players

of course its a game of skill, there is lots of luck involved but its not like flipping a coin
 

Bagiant

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Re: the start of something good for us poker players

Draw poker is a game of skill and that's why it was allowed in Calif. Hold em and stud is a game of luck. In draw poker, you see what you have when the cards are dealt and your hand can't worsen. It can only improve after the draw. In hold em and stud, you are always on the "come" and don't know whether your hand will improve or not! That's the difference between draw and hold em/stud!
 

renaldoj

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Re: the start of something good for us poker players

i think that the poker is about 70% lucky and the other 30% its exp
 
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