Why no word on the BetEmpire stiff job and Superiorbook "bailout" ?

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Inside Guy

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Re: Why no word on the BetEmpire stiff job and Superiorbook "bailout" ?

JC said:
Bottom line is Empire went broke while under the same management as Superior.

Under the argument something is better than nothing, the players are expected to accept this deal.

It didn't have to be a bank in my example, it would have been any company where customer assets are held in trust for the customer.

What did Superior get from Empire? How much debt did Superior forgive? What were the total balances of the Empire customers?

At the end of the day it seems rather petty. Empire's aggregate customer balances couldn't have been that big and all of this bad press is probably not worth the assets they are acquiring.
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What seems really petty is that you are beating a dead horse when their is no need to JC.

Empire defaulted on players balances.

Empire defaulted on debts to Superior.

Superior offers players 15x roll over on funds.

Superior and Empire were owned by different groups.

Owners of Superior have established track record in the industry. Maybe that is why they have been able to loan money to Empire.

Empire owner in my opinion was not as savvy in marketing as Superior's owners. You want to blame someone, blame the owner of Empire. Not the people trying to turn a negative into a positive.
 
JC

JC

EOG Veteran
Re: Why no word on the BetEmpire stiff job and Superiorbook "bailout" ?

THE SHRINK said:
JC,

There is an old saying that goes something like this:

"Birds of a feather flock together"

THE SHRINK
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Well based on that gauge, Superior is definitely not to be trusted since they clearly flocked together with Empire, an undisputed stiff book. It seems like they were very close, they even shared a manager.
 
SBR_John

SBR_John

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Re: Why no word on the BetEmpire stiff job and Superiorbook "bailout" ?

Who was the one who determined in "cram down" style that a massive 15x rollover is fair???

Were any other books asked if they would make a better offer? Were any attempts made to contact the Shrink, SBR or theRx to see if there might be a better offer available for the unfortunate marks at BetEmpire?

Of course those are rethorical questions. We all know this was a slippery deal at the very best. Typical 3rd world Costa Rican robbery by guys not smart enough to cover their tracks. An all too common replay.

Admit this shakedown is a not so clever haircut and lets all move on. Thats not asking too much. Its insulting and humiliating for the players to scam them and then the same exact scammers claim to be the white knight.

If its not a scam then start listing the books and people who were contacted for a chance to bailout BetEmpire players....
 
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ASKMEA?

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Re: Why no word on the BetEmpire stiff job and Superiorbook "bailout" ?

Typical 3rd world Costa Rican robbery by guys not smart enough to cover their tracks. An all too common replay.
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That where SBR is located no?
 
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ASKMEA?

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Re: Why no word on the BetEmpire stiff job and Superiorbook "bailout" ?

SBR_John said:
Who was the one who determined in "cram down" style that a massive 15x rollover is fair???

Were any other books asked if they would make a better offer? Were any attempts made to contact the Shrink, SBR or theRx to see if there might be a better offer available for the unfortunate marks at BetEmpire?

Of course those are rethorical questions. We all know this was a slippery deal at the very best. Typical 3rd world Costa Rican robbery by guys not smart enough to cover their tracks. An all too common replay.

Admit this shakedown is a not so clever haircut and lets all move on. Thats not asking too much. Its insulting and humiliating for the players to scam them and then the same exact scammers claim to be the white knight.

If its not a scam then start listing the books and people who were contacted for a chance to bailout BetEmpire players....
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How does that differ from the pigs these site as your have led to slaughter?
 
SBR_John

SBR_John

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Re: Why no word on the BetEmpire stiff job and Superiorbook "bailout" ?

You take up for your buddies even though you know very well this is a scam. Its the good ole boy way. Do you attack this scam?? Nope. Instead you play a little diversion game.

This is another Pro5/Action Sports/Luckys or Scores, take your pick. Then the good ole boys come in and put a spin in for their buddies while the buddies pray the thread can make page 2.

Keep up the good work. Leading pigs to slaughter??..LOL..whatever.. low IQ stuff but what else is new? You sure wouldnt want to focus on this scam or stay on the thread topic eh?....would you? Nah, par for the good ole boy course. Give the boys a slap on the back until you guys can spin off the next scam. Shouldnt have to wait too long.
 
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ASKMEA?

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Re: Why no word on the BetEmpire stiff job and Superiorbook "bailout" ?

No dif than the scam you yourself are guilty of. I mean really didnt you send the unsuspecting to Goldenbets years ago? That was a book opened by techs, with no backing at all.

Now how in the world did a book like that make it on your site? Oh, lets here it the typical I know the main guy and his pockets are deep.

LMAO.
 
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ASKMEA?

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Re: Why no word on the BetEmpire stiff job and Superiorbook "bailout" ?

SBR, Costa Rica & Scam Sportsbooks
In 2000 SBR worked the industry’s first bailout for 216 victims of Costa Rica-based GoldenBets. In 2001 SBR issued a blanket warning, advising players to avoid sportsbooks located in Costa Rica. SBR went on to identify multiple scambooks and their business partners. Many of these rogue operators were forced to close. SBR continues to expose scambooks and irresponsible operators, limiting their ability to profit from unsuspecting bettors. In 2002 SBR developed the first Sportsbook Rating Guide giving all sportsbooks an individual evaluation. SBR Ratings quickly became the standard for how sportsbooks are compared. 2002 also marked the year the first Costa Rica-based sportsbook joined the SBR Recommended List. Today, SportsbookReview maintains an office in San Jose, Costa Rica.

You failed to mention that you recieved a % of the players sent to that book, from alink on your site.


 
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ASKMEA?

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Re: Why no word on the BetEmpire stiff job and Superiorbook "bailout" ?

If ya like I'll call Juan Carlos and get the numbers? Enough with your almighty attitude. You may have some fooled, but not all.
 
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ASKMEA?

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Re: Why no word on the BetEmpire stiff job and Superiorbook "bailout" ?

2002 also marked the year the first Costa Rica-based sportsbook joined the SBR Recommended List. Today, SportsbookReview maintains an office in San Jose, Costa Rica.

So back when you touted Goldenbets they were not a recommended book? How the fuck can that be....

LMAO
 
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ASKMEA?

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Re: Why no word on the BetEmpire stiff job and Superiorbook "bailout" ?

You guys are all the same. Remember you live in a glass house, do not throw stones....

LMAO
 
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ASKMEA?

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Re: Why no word on the BetEmpire stiff job and Superiorbook "bailout" ?

In 2000 SBR worked the industry’s first bailout for 216 victims of Costa Rica-based GoldenBets.


2002 also marked the year the first Costa Rica-based sportsbook joined the SBR Recommended List.


LMAO
 
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ASKMEA?

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Re: Why no word on the BetEmpire stiff job and Superiorbook "bailout" ?

I just shit myself, laughing so hard over that. And its straight form your site.
 
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ASKMEA?

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Re: Why no word on the BetEmpire stiff job and Superiorbook "bailout" ?

This is another Pro5/Action Sports/Luckys or Scores, take your pick. Then the good ole boys come in and put a spin in for their buddies while the buddies pray the thread can make page 2.
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Who is spinning the shit now?
 
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ASKMEA?

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Re: Why no word on the BetEmpire stiff job and Superiorbook "bailout" ?

Admit this shakedown is a not so clever haircut and lets all move on.
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No more than the clever haircut of being part of the Goldenbets bailout, but forgeting to mention you sent them there in the 1st place.

LMAO
 
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ASKMEA?

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Re: Why no word on the BetEmpire stiff job and Superiorbook "bailout" ?

low IQ stuff but what else is new? You sure wouldnt want to focus on this scam or stay on the thread topic eh?....would you? Nah, par for the good ole boy course. Give the boys a slap on the back until you guys can spin off the next scam. Shouldnt have to wait too long.
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Enough of an IQ to see right through your BULLSHIT

LMAO
 
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ASKMEA?

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Re: Why no word on the BetEmpire stiff job and Superiorbook "bailout" ?

Who qualifies for consideration on the Recommended List?
  • Only honest, safe and legally operating sportsbooks
  • Verified, financially stable sportsbooks
  • Sportsbooks with the best specials and bonuses for new and existing players
  • Reputable owners and knowledgeable management
  • Sportsbooks with NO payout issues or misleading bonuses & promotions
  • Located and licensed in a gambling friendly country
WHY NOT JUST SAY, hey if the book kicks me a % of losses well they gotta be stand up guys.

LMAO
 
Cobbler

Cobbler

EOG Addicted
Re: Why no word on the BetEmpire stiff job and Superiorbook "bailout" ?

Askme, a 15x rollover without any attempt for a better deal is pathetic and borderline scam. You agree?
 
Doug

Doug

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Re: Why no word on the BetEmpire stiff job and Superiorbook "bailout" ?

A 15X rollover with no matching deposit is a great deal for a true bailout ( different companies).

I got something like that from Royal on a bailout of Blue Marlin.

You won't do better than this very often !

Problem is I consider Empire/Superior to be the same company. I realised Empire was no good first week I was there, and exited... took awhile even last year.
 
SBR_John

SBR_John

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Re: Why no word on the BetEmpire stiff job and Superiorbook "bailout" ?

You are making my point.

You and Insideguy will help cover the tracks of any scam like you are both doing here.

Has either one you jerk offs asked ANY tough questions or any questions at all about this BetEmpire scam in this thread???? Wonder why :+clueless :+clueless :+clueless :+clueless :+clueless :+clueless :+clueless :+clueless

You guys are too stupid to know that everyone who reads this can tell you are pulling another stick togrther good ole boys and delects the subject of SCAM.
 
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ersamuels2007

EOG Member
Re: Why no word on the BetEmpire stiff job and Superiorbook "bailout" ?

SBR is the ONLY gambling portal that rates sportsbooks who takes back a sheet, or percentage of losses, from the players that it sends to those sportsbooks. John has a problem in confusing the terms "advertisers" and sheets. He uses the word advertisers so often that he is beginning to believe it himself. He is a genuine shakedown artist that should be ignored entirely by the industry. And don't even try to pretend like your an abused persecuted soul or else I'll post documented proof of what I said above for all to review. The only reason I don't do so now is to save embarrassment for others involved, or approached by your scheme.
 
Cobbler

Cobbler

EOG Addicted
Re: Why no word on the BetEmpire stiff job and Superiorbook "bailout" ?

Ladies, what does SBR's questionable funding tactics have to do with the screw-job these two books are pulling on its customers?

Seriously, if you guys have anything to do with Superior/Empire, you really need to shut up. You aren't helping your side out one bit with this embarrassing attempt to change the subject.
 
SBR_John

SBR_John

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Re: Why no word on the BetEmpire stiff job and Superiorbook "bailout" ?

Post away good ole boy. Oh you joined today? LOL

And yet another good-ole-boy enters this thread with ZERO questions on this scam!!! Can you believe it?

This is how Costa Rican scams work boys.
 
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ersamuels2007

EOG Member
Re: Why no word on the BetEmpire stiff job and Superiorbook "bailout" ?

hey what is it to you when I joined you little scrunt. I'm telling you that you don't belong here because you are a f'king scam yourself and everyone around town knows it. You were 10 years old when I started out. It's time to uncover the old SBR bullshit, but not here....this deserves a thread in itself.
 
Doug

Doug

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Re: Why no word on the BetEmpire stiff job and Superiorbook "bailout" ?

I don't agree with every SBR rating, but it is the best overview around, IMO !

There is a conflict of interest at any gaming site that has ad banners, no way around that issue.

EOG has questionable sponsors, RX does too, Roberto had failures, SBR overates Bodog ( IMO).

Other sites do even worse. The system has flaws, listen to posters not the guys collecting ad monies from sponsors.

SBR seems to be a great starting point to me.
 
THE SHRINK

THE SHRINK

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Re: Why no word on the BetEmpire stiff job and Superiorbook "bailout" ?

Doug said:
I don't agree with every SBR rating, but it is the best overview around, IMO !

There is a conflict of interest at any gaming site that has ad banners, no way around that issue.

EOG has questionable sponsors, RX does too, Roberto had failures, SBR overates Bodog ( IMO).

Other sites do even worse. The system has flaws, listen to posters not the guys collecting ad monies from sponsors.

SBR seems to be a great starting point to me.
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I agree with the above post...

Unlike some other forums, we allow posters freedom of speech regardless of who advertises here...

As for SBR, they are the industry's best that we have to offer when it comes to rating sports books...

Are they perfect?

NO...

But I can't name another venue that puts in as much time and effort as SBR....:cheers

P.S.

For the record, and barring EOG, I have more RESPECT for John's site (SBR) than any other gambling portal...
 
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ersamuels2007

EOG Member
Re: Why no word on the BetEmpire stiff job and Superiorbook "bailout" ?

hey i agree with you doug. and i am not saying that he doesn't have some good books up on site, and that he doesn't try to send players to decent books. But it is a conflict in interest to send or recommend a book to someone and then take back a percentage of that players losses. unconsciously you have to be playing up the sportbooks that give him back gravy and at the same time you play down, or lower a rating of the first sportsbook that is slow in paying a player. ya think one of his top books never had a problem paying his players in times like this? how come he never lowered their rating.....because ole john could compromise his profits long term, that's why. nobody can trust a portal that is influenced by money period. the guy will probably wind up in jail one day anyways, so why bother even talking asbout it. and i'll tell you something else, he's always on the phone first asking why one of "his" players isn't getting paid...you think that's fair for portal?
 
Doug

Doug

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Re: Why no word on the BetEmpire stiff job and Superiorbook "bailout" ?

ersamuels2007 said:
hey i agree with you doug. and i am not saying that he doesn't have some good books up on site, and that he doesn't try to send players to decent books. But it is a conflict in interest to send or recommend a book to someone and then take back a percentage of that players losses. unconsciously you have to be playing up the sportbooks that give him back gravy and at the same time you play down, or lower a rating of the first sportsbook that is slow in paying a player. ya think one of his top books never had a problem paying his players in times like this? how come he never lowered their rating.....because ole john could compromise his profits long term, that's why. nobody can trust a portal that is influenced by money period. the guy will probably wind up in jail one day anyways, so why bother even talking asbout it. and i'll tell you something else, he's always on the phone first asking why one of "his" players isn't getting paid...you think that's fair for portal?
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Use SBR as the resource it is. It gives good info. They blow it at times, I got sucked into Panam partly because John's crew rated them too high, after too short a time in business. SHIT happens ! I realise the shortcomings in all such endeavors.

They couldn't drop Cascade fast enough to get people paid, went thru that with Panam already, so I learned.

Forum owner guys like Shrink,Marty,John,Roberto,etc. aren't the most upstanding citizens of the world.

SBR John may be the best of the bunch ? Who knows ? They all have to make monies somehow.

Posters are the real source of info, when posters on forums get censored when discussing books, there is an even worse problem.

SBR is good about not censoring posts.
 
SBR_John

SBR_John

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Re: Why no word on the BetEmpire stiff job and Superiorbook "bailout" ?

Thanks Ken. I know I get you caught in the middle too often. Players deserve this thread to see how this game is played. I appreciate your tolerance.

ersamuels, Askmea, InsideGuy(CR's finest),
Its your turn to get to the bottom of this scam. Can you? Will you? Or can you only attack those trying to educate those that this is a scam?

Now I yield for what I'm sure will be a scathing attack questioning by the good-ole-boy buddies ersam, askmea, insideguy. I'm sure the good ole boy group will DEMAND to know what other potential buyers were contacted! Right? Who determined the 15x rollover was fair? Was it the GM of both books? LOL
 
Doug

Doug

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Re: Why no word on the BetEmpire stiff job and Superiorbook "bailout" ?

Somehow I figure Empire could have just as easily been "bailing out" Superior, if a few bets went the other way.
 
dirty

dirty

EOG Master
Re: Why no word on the BetEmpire stiff job and Superiorbook "bailout" ?

John ... Thanks for voicing your opinion and stating your side here.... I am sure EOG and Ken will do what is Necessary to do what is needed...



You guys always know that EOG will allow you to state your sides with no Edits whatsoever....
 
I

Inside Guy

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Re: Why no word on the BetEmpire stiff job and Superiorbook "bailout" ?

SBR_John said:
You are making my point.

You and Insideguy will help cover the tracks of any scam like you are both doing here.

Has either one you jerk offs asked ANY tough questions or any questions at all about this BetEmpire scam in this thread???? Wonder why :+clueless :+clueless :+clueless :+clueless :+clueless :+clueless :+clueless :+clueless

You guys are too stupid to know that everyone who reads this can tell you are pulling another stick togrther good ole boys and delects the subject of SCAM.
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Actually, I tend to do research before running my mouth. Unlike you John.

Instead of running your mouth, go try to find someone that will take over the balances for the players at Bet Empire.

Oh wait, I forgot you don't really care about the players. :doh1
 
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Inside Guy

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Re: Why no word on the BetEmpire stiff job and Superiorbook "bailout" ?

SBR_John said:
Now I yield for what I'm sure will be a scathing attack questioning by the good-ole-boy buddies ersam, askmea, insideguy. I'm sure the good ole boy group will DEMAND to know what other potential buyers were contacted! Right? Who determined the 15x rollover was fair? Was it the GM of both books? LOL
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Actually, I don't profess to be a wolf in sheeps clothing, oops I mean a watchdog. I also don't throw stones when I live in a glass house.

Empire and Superior had two seperate ownership groups. I know this for a fact John, because unlike you I have real connections in this industry.

If you don't like CR so much, why did you set up shop there? :finger004
 
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Inside Guy

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Re: Why no word on the BetEmpire stiff job and Superiorbook "bailout" ?

Doug said:
Problem is I consider Empire/Superior to be the same company. I realised Empire was no good first week I was there, and exited... took awhile even last year.
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The problem is Doug, they were not the same.
 
Doug

Doug

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Re: Why no word on the BetEmpire stiff job and Superiorbook "bailout" ?

Too closely related, anyway.
 
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Inside Guy

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Re: Why no word on the BetEmpire stiff job and Superiorbook "bailout" ?

On the outside looking in you make a good point Doug, but I can say with 100% certainty, they were seperate organizations sharing same infrastructure. This is not a bet4aces situation at all! People behind Superior have good reputuation and solid profitable track record in the industry for years.
 
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sean1

EOG Dedicated
Re: Why no word on the BetEmpire stiff job and Superiorbook "bailout" ?

When two companies issue checks and neteller withdrawals from one account, they are the same.

Sean
 
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