Are we really doing the right thing regarding Covid?

IWishIWasAPro

EOG Master
I know Merlin's thoughts on this subject already but should sports continue? Are we really playing this like its some game?

Lazio in serie a had to quarantine its entire team off some positive tests. NYC police busted a Halloween party yesterday inaide a warehouse with 400 people.

What are we doing here? Honest question. Just go on with life like this is the new norm ???
 

IWishIWasAPro

EOG Master
Can we quit the bullshit already? Everything needs to be shut down except essentials like doctors, hospitals, gas stations, grocery stores. There should be no kids in school. There should be no colleges open. AND definitely no sports right now...
 

E$

EOG Dedicated
It is a virus, no worse than the flu. Most people don’t even know they have it.

We are making way too big of a deal as is. It’s like we turned into a bunch of vaginas over night.

People that want to hide in their basement should be free to do so just as they have always been.

But forcing people to do so is ridiculous. I don’t even recognize this country anymore.

I never thought I’d say it, but I am embarrassed to be an American
 
It is a virus, no worse than the flu.


"By the way, the facts about COVID-19 vs Flue in the US - the lies Trump, Pense (saying flu kills 100k a year) and his uneducated masses is promoting:
Flu Deaths by season:
2015-2016 23,000
2016-2017 38.000
2017-2018 61,000
2018-2019 34,000
2019-2020 22,000
vs.
COVID-19 deaths year-to-date 2020 210,000 and rapidly rising.

Source: CDC and John Hopkins University
The fact-based world not the Trump alternative facts fantasyland.


https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/thi...aced-the-fire-hose.725831/page-2#post-6828507

"...the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention puts the [covid] mortality rate at 0.65 percent."

The United States already has the highest number of cases in the world and the most recorded deaths of any country. Though its 330 million people represent roughly 4.25 percent of the world’s population, the country has recorded just over 20 percent of deaths from covid-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus.

According to a Johns Hopkins University analysis, which is updated daily, the case fatality rate in the United States was 2.8 percent as of Thursday. That compares with the CDC’s 0.65 percent estimated infection fatality rate — which includes confirmed cases plus an estimate of those who may not even know they have been exposed. The case fatality rate in the United States is much higher than in South Korea, Taiwan and Iceland, where it has been below 2 percent, but lower than in some other hard-hit countries, such as Iran and Brazil.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/10/09/covid-mortality-rate-down/

"One important thing to get straight here is exactly how dangerous seasonal influenza is. The fatality rate that has been cited most often (including by me) is 0.1%, which happens to be about what you get if you divide the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s estimates of U.S. influenza deaths over the past nine years by its estimates of symptomatic cases. But just as with the coronavirus, testing has shown that many people infected with influenza viruses develop no flu symptoms. In a Twitter thread from February that a reader pointed out to me this week, University of Oxford infectious disease epidemiologist Christophe Fraser estimated that the actual infection fatality rate (which I will refer to from now on as IFR) of seasonal influenza is 0.04%.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/a...rse-than-the-flu-blood-studies-say-yes-by-far
 

jimmythegreek

The opening odds start here
Considering the fatality rate is only 2.8%, that's pretty impressive considering the recent uptick combined with the fact that more Americans are now being tested, and the rate in its infancy was higher. Of course it's never a good thing when somebody succumbs, but if taken seriously enough with caution, and preventive measures, it's a whole lot better than total ignorance.

Follow safety protocol. Wash your hands, wear the mask, and social distance. Use caution but don't let this virus control your life. Not worth shutting down entertainment, schools, the economy, etc like what we went through in the first few months.
 

IWishIWasAPro

EOG Master
The biggest difference with the flu is you know when you have it. Nobody is staying home from work from small coughs or hardly any symptoms. Asymptomatic is one of the biggest issues we need to address.
 

E$

EOG Dedicated
Laughable to me that we are calling it a "pandemic" as if it is Polio or something really bad
 

cheapseats

EOG Master
The biggest difference with the flu is you know when you have it. Nobody is staying home from work from small coughs or hardly any symptoms. Asymptomatic is one of the biggest issues we need to address.


Why, if you get it and have symptoms there are ever increasingly better drugs. And, let me ask you this, what percent of people with no symptom get tested. its minimal. They are measuring the data based completely on those that show up for test and not the total population. It's like asking a guy at the grocery store, did you come here to buy something, of course most are that is why they are there. Look at LA, 1,300 cases a day put against the city population is, well less than 1%. It's all bullshit.
 

E$

EOG Dedicated
the 210000 people that died, 205000 would have died if covid didnt exist

Exactly right. The people dying "from" covid were dying anyway and covid just happened to be the final straw. Same thing would have happened had they caught the flu or a cold
 

Valuist

EOG Master
The biggest difference with the flu is you know when you have it. Nobody is staying home from work from small coughs or hardly any symptoms. Asymptomatic is one of the biggest issues we need to address.

That's not true. If you go in, get temp checked right away. Any fever above 99.5, which isn't much, have to get tested. Many are working from home anyways.
 
Why, if you get it and have symptoms there are ever increasingly better drugs. And, let me ask you this, what percent of people with no symptom get tested. its minimal. They are measuring the data based completely on those that show up for test and not the total population. It's like asking a guy at the grocery store, did you come here to buy something, of course most are that is why they are there. Look at LA, 1,300 cases a day put against the city population is, well less than 1%. It's all bullshit.

Yup. What the lock everything down crowd never has an answer for is when to we open it back up? If the virus cases surge again after locking it down, do we do it again? and again? and again? It's not going to magically go away if one country locks all of the people inside. Protect the vulnerable and 65+ crowd, let the rest of us get on with our lives.
 

Patrick McIrish

OCCams raZOR
You do know the Covid "crisis" will end on Wednesday. No need to post anymore non sense regarding this flu.


Exactly.

For everyone hiding under the bed feel better that information will suddenly start being more and more optimistic starting after the election.

One side trying to win an election over the China virus using a biased media and fearful, uneducated citizens in the process.

Just hearing some of these pussies shut up will almost be worth a Biden win.
 

FairWarning

Bells Beer Connoisseur
Yup. What the lock everything down crowd never has an answer for is when to we open it back up? If the virus cases surge again after locking it down, do we do it again? and again? and again? It's not going to magically go away if one country locks all of the people inside. Protect the vulnerable and 65+ crowd, let the rest of us get on with our lives.

It was easier for the countries that dealt with SARS to beat this. They already had a plan. Yes Trump didn;t follow the plan, but there are many countries with better leaders who are struggling also with it. Even if we didn't have it, it would still crush many business sectors, like travel.
 

Viejo Dinosaur

EOG Master
It was easier for the countries that dealt with SARS to beat this. They already had a plan. Yes Trump didn;t follow the plan, but there are many countries with better leaders who are struggling also with it. Even if we didn't have it, it would still crush many business sectors, like travel.

Thailand with only 59 deaths and over 5700 cases....they had a plan and stuck with it....but at what cost? For a country that depends on tourism, shutting down the borders was questionable....many businesses had to shut down and many lost their livelihood....for those who left the country in March, they are still struggling to get back....but to the country’s credit, the people here always help the less fortunate...the businesses that stayed open made sure the less fortunate had food and some kind of shelter....
 
Considering the fatality rate is only 2.8%, that's pretty impressive considering the recent uptick combined with the fact that more Americans are now being tested, and the rate in its infancy was higher. Of course it's never a good thing when somebody succumbs, but if taken seriously enough with caution, and preventive measures, it's a whole lot better than total ignorance.

Follow safety protocol. Wash your hands, wear the mask, and social distance. Use caution but don't let this virus control your life. Not worth shutting down entertainment, schools, the economy, etc like what we went through in the first few months.


What is obviously clear is due to lockdowns:

1) serious vehicular accidents & deaths are way way down
2) flu deaths & serious complications have decreased tremendously
3) C-19 ill health & deaths are far less due to the lockdowns
4) likewise probably other communicable diseases (e.g. tuberculosis, HIV) have been greatly reduced by the extreme safety measures in place
5) street crimes have probably been highly reduced.
6) families have been able to spend more time together enjoying each others company while free from the slavery of that 4 letter word "work" that the vast majority hate. Giving more time for quality of life activities like sex & various entertainments.
7) abortions (child murder) are probably down.

http://www.therxforum.com/showthread...1#post13211637
 
the 210000 people that died, 205000 would have died if covid didnt exist

Baloney. I'll call your bluff on that.

" The chart below uses data from EuroMOMO, a network of epidemiologists who collect weekly reports on deaths from all causes in 24 European countries, covering 350m people. These figures show that, compared with a historical baseline of 2009-19, Europe has suffered some deadly flu seasons since 2016—but that the death toll this year from covid-19 is far greater. Overall, the number of excess deaths across the continent since March is about 170,000. Though most of those victims have been older than 65, the number of deaths among Europeans aged 45-64 was 40% higher than usual in early April.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/07/15/tracking-covid-19-excess-deaths-across-countries
 
Exactly right. The people dying "from" covid were dying anyway and covid just happened to be the final straw. Same thing would have happened had they caught the flu or a cold

Way more are dying from C-19 than from the flu. Because the former is far more infectious and far more deadly:

"By the way, the facts about COVID-19 vs Flue in the US - the lies Trump, Pense (saying flu kills 100k a year) and his uneducated masses is promoting:
Flu Deaths by season:
2015-2016 23,000
2016-2017 38.000
2017-2018 61,000
2018-2019 34,000
2019-2020 22,000
vs.
COVID-19 deaths year-to-date 2020 210,000 and rapidly rising.

Source: CDC and John Hopkins University
The fact-based world not the Trump alternative facts fantasyland.


https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/thi...aced-the-fire-hose.725831/page-2#post-6828507
 
Yup. What the lock everything down crowd never has an answer for is when to we open it back up? If the virus cases surge again after locking it down, do we do it again? and again? and again? It's not going to magically go away if one country locks all of the people inside. Protect the vulnerable and 65+ crowd, let the rest of us get on with our lives.

That's what they did in New Zealand. They reduced known infections & deaths to zero & returned to normal life for over 3 months while the US still had empty sports stadiums.
 
And then what. Once one person gets it again the cycle starts all over. There is no way to contain it, it's a virus.

Lockdowns work in much the same way as quarantines. After a few weeks in quarantine the virus in an infected person is dead, as opposed to that same person being a super spreader at a mass gathering.
 
It was easier for the countries that dealt with SARS to beat this. They already had a plan. Yes Trump didn;t follow the plan, but there are many countries with better leaders who are struggling also with it. Even if we didn't have it, it would still crush many business sectors, like travel.

Nonessential travel is what got us in this mess.
 

raycabino

Long Live Wilson!
I know Merlin's thoughts on this subject already but should sports continue? Are we really playing this like its some game?

Lazio in serie a had to quarantine its entire team off some positive tests. NYC police busted a Halloween party yesterday inaide a warehouse with 400 people.

What are we doing here? Honest question. Just go on with life like this is the new norm ???
Being that we have 20% of all of the cases world wide 9,480,655 out of 46,977,160 and we are roughly 4.25% of the world population 330 million of 7.8 billion, I would conclude that we are doing something wrong. Not sure what the right answers are but feels like we could be doing better.
 

IWishIWasAPro

EOG Master
It's all a joke. Ravens CB Marlon Humphrey tests positive this morning for covid. Okay Harbaugh. Nice timing.

You guys thinking this is one big joke are nuts just like them. You think everybody is really following protocol? They dont give a shit about you and your family. You know damn well JuJu Smith-Schuster has it now.

We might as well cut to the chase and force everybody to get it. We can cut a few years off this ridiculousness we call life now.
 

IWishIWasAPro

EOG Master
So stupid. All Pittsburgh Steelers tests come back negative, yeah, whatever you guys say. Like I would expect a piece of shit named Mike Tomlin to be honest anyways. Makes total sense when Humphrey was sucking the Pittsburgh WRs off less than 24 hours earlier.

A total shit show whats going on in America. We have no idea what we're doing.
 

IWishIWasAPro

EOG Master
Actually its not even worth talking about. Its just wasted energy. You're right. People are going to do whatever they want to do. You cant do anything about it.
 
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