Betjamaica Dispute

Re: Betjamaica Dispute

I think anyone that has dealt with Scotty at BetJM would initially side with him -- there's a lot of scum in this industry but Scotty almost always stays above the pack.

When you have a guy that is told over and over again (by a message that pops up in his account) that he has nickel limits, then I really don't see where the complaint is. A giant pop-up message that you HAVE to click on that says "Don't go over nickel limits". To me, I would assume that if I DID go over nickel limits that I'd be setting myself up for something bad.

It's like a book telling you not to take your bonus money and split it up on opposite sides of one game to hit your rollover -- the software might very well let you do it, but they have specifically told you NOT to, so you are doing so at the risk of losing the bonus.

The fact that Pinnacle apparently has come along and closed out this guy's account as well should speak volumes. How many legitimate players does Pinnacle cut-off?

On one side you now have Pinnacle and BetJamaica -- it's not hard for me to choose sides...


But oscark, if you are telling the whole story and have nothing to hide then I'd say contact The Shrink. I've done some work with him over the years and watched him handle plenty of disputes. Say what you want about his past, but he is willing to get the necessary people on the phone and get to the bottom of the story -- and if you want your money then I'd say there's no downside to it.

What you usually find out is in complaints against reputable books like this is the players very rarely want the whole story to get aired. Looking at the circumstances around this story and those involved, I'd be very surprised if oscark actually gets on the phone with Shrink/Scotty/etc... and allows the whole story to come out.
 

Almost Allright

GO Bucks!!!
Re: Betjamaica Dispute

Something smells fishy and often is when a player refuses an offer for help...

THE SHRINK


But he has not refused help...just yours. Did he not contact SBR? Therefore how can you make THAT statement? Ken is it fair to say your a bit biased because he did not take your offer. or am i missing something?
 
Re: Betjamaica Dispute

AA,

I am not biased at all.

But, this is the kind of stuff we do here all the time for free..

As of late last night Oscar stated he hadn't heard back from SBR and so I offered assistance...

Also, Scotty called me and I called SBR to initiate a conference call...

Therefore, I had already gotten involved before any dialogue took place between the player and I...

That's about it in a nutshell...

I will back off now since the player doesn't want my help...

THE SHRINK
 
Re: Betjamaica Dispute

AA,

I am not biased at all.

As of late last night he stated he hadn't heard back from SBR and so I offered assistance...

Also, Scotty called me and I called SBR to initiate a conference call...

Therefore, I had already gotten involved before any dialogue took place between the player and I...

That's about it in a nutshell...

I will back off now since the player doesn't want my help...

THE SHRINK

Shrink, don't bust your ass for some ungrateful jerkoff. Let him sort it out.
 

pioneer

EOG Dedicated
Re: Betjamaica Dispute

pioneer,

Resorting to ad hominem attacks is weak, even for you...

I am grateful I no longer go through life with your attitude...

Happy Holidays,

THE SHRINK

Attack? Where's the attack, ad hominem or otherwise? And no, you don't go through life with my attitude, ie. I search for the truth. The truth is that you suffer from "megalomania"...but maybe I gave you too much credit for knowing what that is....

megalo?ma?nia (mānē ə, mānyə)
noun
  1. a mental disorder characterized by delusions of grandeur, power, etc.
  2. a passion for, or for doing, big things
  3. a tendency to exaggerate
...ironically, the very next poster, absolutevodka, noticed the same inflated ego that I referred to. In the Christmas spirit, get help soon, Shrink.
 

Almost Allright

GO Bucks!!!
Re: Betjamaica Dispute

AA,

I am not biased at all.

But, this is the kind of stuff we do here all the time for free..

As of late last night Oscar stated he hadn't heard back from SBR and so I offered assistance...

Also, Scotty called me and I called SBR to initiate a conference call...

Therefore, I had already gotten involved before any dialogue took place between the player and I...

That's about it in a nutshell...

I will back off now since the player doesn't want my help...

THE SHRINK


cool. these types of situations are learning experiences for a small player as myself. but someday i hope to have that kind of cheese offshore and I am just taking notes.
 
Re: Betjamaica Dispute

One of the most common non-rational appeals is an argumentum ad hominem--or, as the Latin phrase suggests, an "argument against the person" (and not against the ideas he or she is presenting).

Our decisions should be based on a rational evaluation of the arguments with which we are presented, not on an emotional reaction to the person or persons making that argument. But because we often react more strongly to personalities than to the sometimes abstract and complex arguments they are making, we attack the person and not their position by calling them names such as "megalomania" as is the case here..

What does suggesting I suffer from megalomania have anything to do with whether or not BetJamaica should pay out this gambler on his horce racing bets? :rolleyes:

THE SHRINK
 

pioneer

EOG Dedicated
Re: Betjamaica Dispute

One of the most common non-rational appeals is an argumentum ad hominem--or, as the Latin phrase suggests, an "argument against the person" (and not against the ideas he or she is presenting).

Our decisions should be based on a rational evaluation of the arguments with which we are presented, not on an emotional reaction to the person or persons making that argument. But because we often react more strongly to personalities than to the sometimes abstract and complex arguments they are making, we attack the person and not their position by calling them names such as "megalomania" as is the case here..

What does suggesting I suffer from megalomania have anything to do with whether or not BetJamaica should pay out this gambler on his horce racing bets? :rolleyes:

THE SHRINK

Nothing, absolutely nothing. But that doesn't mean you aren't a megalomaniac either.

The better question is why do you insist on being part of the settlement of this dispute? I mean it's nice that you offerred your help...once, twice, maybe even thrice. But for you to go on and on about you being the only one who can help this guy and to accuse him of being dishonest because he doesn't want your help, is proof that you megalomaniacal!

That is not an attack, ad hominem or otherwise, Shrink....it is a service which you should accept and seek help!
 

RealSlimShady

EOG Dedicated
Re: Betjamaica Dispute

HALIFAX, I BELIEVE THAT IS NOT TRUE ABOUT THE $500X2.......I HAVE BEEN TOLD BY PEOPLE THAT BET AT BETJAM THAT YOU CAN BET $1000 ON A HORSE AT ONCE (NO NEED TO BET 500 TWICE) AT THE TRACKS WHERE THERE IS A $1000 LIMIT.................




At TheGreek, they allow you to bet on propositions more than once at their stated limits if the line has moved after your initial bet.
 
Re: Betjamaica Dispute

SBR RULES IN FAVOR OF BETJAMAICA...

From Bill Dozer/SBR....

I was initially unclear about how your new limits translated to horse bets. I have been informed that you were capped at $500 per bet on horses. It should have been clear that the restrictions on your account were global and that ?no dupes? applied to these nickel bets. I would be happy to discuss this further but with the facts at hand, you were adequately informed of the wagering restrictions.
 
Re: Betjamaica Dispute

I'm late to this party.

As I understand it, a poster had a dispute with an offshore book. Imagine that.

The complaint was posted at another site. Let the great LVAsshole1 handle the problem.

But the problem migrates to EOG, because everyone knows that LVA has been pretty much rendered impotent and unwilling to help anyone once the advertising stopped.

The most striking feature of EOG is that Ken and the moderators will try to help you with resolution of these goofy offshore disputes. They don't care how clueless you are. They will try to help.

So, after multiple pages of angst that really belonged on another site, we have Pioneer.

Pioneer has no dog in this hunt at all. Next time you have an Internet gambling problem are you going to call Pioneer?

What is the URL for Pioneer's website? It's absurd.

But all of a sudden, he shows up attacking Weitzner for trying to help.

Yeah, let's trust the wisdom of Pioneer.

You can't make it up.
 

rainbow

EOG Master
Re: Betjamaica Dispute

I'm late to this party.

As I understand it, a poster had a dispute with an offshore book. Imagine that.

The complaint was posted at another site. Let the great LVAsshole1 handle the problem.

But the problem migrates to EOG, because everyone knows that LVA has been pretty much rendered impotent and unwilling to help anyone once the advertising stopped.

The most striking feature of EOG is that Ken and the moderators will try to help you with resolution of these goofy offshore disputes. They don't care how clueless you are. They will try to help.

So, after multiple pages of angst that really belonged on another site, we have Pioneer.

Pioneer has no dog in this hunt at all. Next time you have an Internet gambling problem are you going to call Pioneer?

What is the URL for Pioneer's website? It's absurd.

But all of a sudden, he shows up attacking Weitzner for trying to help.

Yeah, let's trust the wisdom of Pioneer.

You can't make it up.
JEFF, ITS ALOT OF THINGS I DISSAGREED WITH YOU IN THE PAST ON, BUT THIS ONE YOU ARE 100% CORRECT ABOUT PIONEER. FIRST OFF HE KNOW'S ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT THIS INDUSTRY, THAT'S ALL HE KNOW'S IS HOW TO PILE ON A THREAD WHICH HE HAS NO CLUE WHAT SO EVER ABOUT. HE IS ALL 100% SPECULATING ON JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT COMES OUT OF HIS MOUTH. THAT WOULD BE REAL GOOD FOR THE INDUSTRY FOR EVERYONE TO TAKE THEIR DECREPECYS TO PIONEER, FOR SURE NO ONE WOULD EVER GET PAID. PIONEER NEEDS TO THANK THE GENERAL AND THE SHRINK FOR ALL THE DECREPECYS THEY SOLVE. I JUST HOPE PIONEER LEARNED SOMETHING ON THIS THREAD...
 
Re: Betjamaica Dispute

Pioneer..you learned a new word..megalomania.

You wanted to use it in every post.

We are lucky to have a poster who produces "truth for it's own sake?"

I don't know what the other gambling sites do without you to keep them on an even keel.

You are pure message board gold to me.
 

trytrytry

All I do is trytrytry
Re: Betjamaica Dispute

was it clear he was capped at $500 per bet on horses.

cripes then you have to pay him..he never had a wager over $500 per bet.


Was it clear that there were no dupes in the horse wagers?


Or was it only CLEAR that in the sportsbook there was a $500 limit and not dupes??
 

The Devil

EOG Master
Re: Betjamaica Dispute

TTT, NEVER BET A HORSE THERE, BUT THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD.......I SHOULD HAVE DONE SOME RESEARCH BEFORE SPEAKING........AND WILL DO SOME IN THE COMING HOURS........

MAYBE MY CONTACT (A BIG HORSE PLAYER) HAD SOME OF HIS OUTS CONFUSED...............
 
Re: Betjamaica Dispute

Pioneer needs to take care of Internet Problem Resolution. Ken Weitzner has no standing.

I would love to hear this call.

Pioneer: I am here to protest a dispute.

Book: And your are sir?

Pioneer: I am well, Pioneer. Actually this dispute didn't start on my site, but I feel it is my duty to resolve it.

Book: Why?

Pioneer: Because I seek the Truth for its own sake!

Book: Are you involved in this dispute in anyway?

Pioneer: No, but have I mentioned megalomania?

Book: Excuse me?

Pioneer might be the greatest Internet airhead target yet.
 

The General

Another Day, Another Dollar
Re: Betjamaica Dispute

Don't laugh to hard Jeff. When I started getting involved in dispute resolution I was not working for any website nor gambling entity at all and I was able to assist players in that capacity. I just called up and asked for an explanation and then explained my thoughts. I was able to make a difference just being a factory worker with a desire.
 
Re: Betjamaica Dispute

Don't laugh to hard Jeff. When I started getting involved in dispute resolution I was not working for any website nor gambling entity at all and I was able to assist players in that capacity. I just called up and asked for an explanation and then explained my thoughts. I was able to make a difference just being a factory worker with a desire.

I understand General but with all due respect, I doubt you were a megalomaniac...:LMAO :LMAO :LMAO
 
Re: Betjamaica Dispute

There are times in life when we can learn from the General.

There are times in life when the General needs to shut up.

In this instance, I think Reason demands the latter.
 

pioneer

EOG Dedicated
Re: Betjamaica Dispute

Pioneer..you learned a new word..megalomania.

You wanted to use it in every post.

We are lucky to have a poster who produces "truth for it's own sake?"

I don't know what the other gambling sites do without you to keep them on an even keel.

You are pure message board gold to me.

JJ,
I would be glad to discuss anything I post with you. For instance, find one thing I posted that is not true. Yes I did post that Shrink is a megalomaniac....would you care to dispute that?
 
Re: Betjamaica Dispute

I posted this on the other thread, too..

If this dispute involved a questionable sports book, I'd have given much more weight to the player's side of the situation.

But the bottom line here is that the decision to side for the player or the operator depends on who you TRUST more...

Either the sports book is taking a shot at the player or the player is taking a shot at the operator.

We all know that Spiro is the man behind BetJamaica financially and that he also has a lot of pride in himself and his reputation...

We also also know that Spiro is as HONORABLE as they come in an industry tarnished by numerous shady and sleezy characters.

So the bottom line no matter how this gets spun is WHO do you believe?

I happen to know that 10k to Spiro is equivalent to one day of shopping for his family. He breathes away that much before he steps out of bed. The money is not the issue for him, period.

Can the same be said about this questionable female account holder from Columbia?

I bring this up because I strongly suspect this is ONE reason she refuses to pick up a phone to call ANYONE. I repeat she won't call ANYONE!!!!

Do any of you mean to tell me that if you did nothing wrong, you would ignore multiple requests to call the person who has your money as well as those who are trying to mediate to help out???

It disturbs me that he/she is hiding behind a monitor.

But the bottom line is this...

It all comes to TRUST...

Either you trust Betjamaica/TheGreek to continue doing the right thing or you trust a registered female account holder from Columbia who still refuses to speak with anybody, period.

In these tough industry times, you need to make up your own decision on who you can trust in today's climate.

I trust Scotty & Spiro- for trust takes time and they have earned it, imho...

On the other hand, I don't even know anything about this other entity...

THE SHRINK
 

kidslick

EOG Dedicated
Re: Betjamaica Dispute

FIX THE GOD-DAMM SOFTWARE

for someone who

I happen to know that 10k to Spiro is equivalent to one day of shopping for his family. He breathes away that much before he steps out of bed. The money is not the issue for him, period.

:+excited-:+excited-:+excited-
 

Bagiant

EOG Dedicated
Re: Betjamaica Dispute

I know that WSEX would have paid this thing off before this thread reached two pages.
 

PSUONE

EOG Veteran
Re: Betjamaica Dispute

I could care less about history, reputation, location, or gender. Facts are the only thing I have to go by and I am backing the player on this one.


-Betjam booked $1k losing bets and 1k winner. They only refused wager when they player won a longshot.

-Betjam set $500 limits but never specifically mentioned racebook.

Sweat the Game, Not the payout :LMAO :LMAO


*You guys were also the ones talking about Lenny and his reputation.
 

dirty

EOG Master
Re: Betjamaica Dispute

I could care less about history, reputation, location, or gender. Facts are the only thing I have to go by and I am backing the player on this one.


-Betjam booked $1k losing bets and 1k winner. They only refused wager when they player won a longshot.

-Betjam set $500 limits but never specifically mentioned racebook.

Sweat the Game, Not the payout :LMAO :LMAO


*You guys were also the ones talking about Lenny and his reputation.



If you don't care about History, reputation, gender and location then why do you Bump the Betus and SBG Global threads :+clueless :+clueless :+clueless


AHHHH I get it.... Selective history that fits agenda's....That's the ticket :cheers :cheers :cheers
 

PSUONE

EOG Veteran
Re: Betjamaica Dispute

I guess I should clarify....I dont base my decisions about a "past reputation". Everyone has a perfect reputation until their actions make otherwise. I bump those threads due to the Company's history (which is based on scumbag actions).

You can spin all you want and think I have an agenda. I can see both sides but think the player needs to be paid. You can review all my posts-I am a bigger supporter of Betjam then most and will go back to them if they ever make this right.
 

dirty

EOG Master
Re: Betjamaica Dispute

I am not spinning anything.... I was just making a point....



With your Business PSU would you allow a client to take a shot at you and not make a stand? I highly doubt it... and don't try to say it is different...People trust you to provide a service and if they try to Manipulate that what would you do? if you let then run over you, then you will not be in business long... I think you know that :cool:
 

PSUONE

EOG Veteran
Re: Betjamaica Dispute

I am not spinning anything.... I was just making a point....



With your Business PSU would you allow a client to take a shot at you and not make a stand? I highly doubt it... and don't try to say it is different...People trust you to provide a service and if they try to Manipulate that what would you do? if you let then run over you, then you will not be in business long... I think you know that :cool:

I know this is a tough one and there is one piece of information I hope comes out and proven either way so it can be settled.

Player said he bet $500 at WSEX on same race. He said he is usually a $1500 win player and could have put more down if he didnt get down at Betjam. This shouldnt be too hard to prove either way. If this is the case, there is no way he was taking a shot at Betjam. Not a bad line, this is a damn horse race.
 

kidslick

EOG Dedicated
Re: Betjamaica Dispute

Originally Posted by Inside The Pylons
Just to clarify what I posted earlier in this thread..........

The racebook limits on my account are well below the posted limits so they obviously can change limits on an individual account basis with their software.


:hungbook the bet, pay him
 

scottyj

EOG Member
Re: Betjamaica Dispute

PSUONE,

She bet two Nickel Limits bets, Her Bet Jamaica limits were one Nickel Limit bet/No dupes. We will honor the limit she was allowed as stated.

If you think we are taking a shot at her then you are very mistaken. She was the one obviously taking the shot and it didn't work. We didn't even realize this until a large winning ticket surfaced to be time checked. At that time it was revealed what she/he is doing and all wagers were corrected accordingly.

I think it would be extremely enlightening for yourself or any individual who thinks we are the ones taking shots to simple spend two minutes to give me a call personally. I think you owe it to yourself and the other posters.

Have a good evening.

Scottyj

800 329 2640
 

pioneer

EOG Dedicated
Re: Betjamaica Dispute

PSUONE,

She bet two Nickel Limits bets, Her Bet Jamaica limits were one Nickel Limit bet/No dupes. We will honor the limit she was allowed as stated.

If you think we are taking a shot at her then you are very mistaken. She was the one obviously taking the shot and it didn't work. We didn't even realize this until a large winning ticket surfaced to be time checked. At that time it was revealed what she/he is doing and all wagers were corrected accordingly.

I think it would be extremely enlightening for yourself or any individual who thinks we are the ones taking shots to simple spend two minutes to give me a call personally. I think you owe it to yourself and the other posters.

Have a good evening.

Scottyj

800 329 2640

someone else posted this in the other thread, so I didn't want to take all the credit for the question...

"One Question for you Scotty:

I have been told by numerous people that BJ does indeed have the ability to implement limits w/ their racebook software. If this is the case, and Oscark had a $500 limit implemented on his sportsbook section, why was the $500 limit not implemented on his racebook section? I'd like you to answer this publically."

...also why did you give out confidential information on this oscark to the Shrink who then posted that confidential information?

this has been a long two threads here so you probably missed it but do you know the meaning of the terms "pyrrhic victory" and "hubris"? You may think you have won this battle, Scotty, but you have really lost the war. It's not too late; admit that you were just stubbornly proud and pay off the winning horse bets.<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
 

rainbow

EOG Master
Re: Betjamaica Dispute

good answer Shrink....don't worry about who's right and who's wrong.
READ POST # 143 AND LET IT SOAK IN YOUR HEAD, EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO READ IT EVERYDAY FOR A YEAR TILL IT SOAKS IN YOUR BRAIN. EVERYTHING IS TRUE IN POST #143 MONEY MEANS NOTHING TO SPIRO, TRUST ME ON THIS ONE I KNOW HIM WELL. I KNOW HIM WELL ENOUGH TO GO VISIT HIM ANYTIME I WISH. PIONEER HE IS AS HONEST AS THEY COME. AND FOR SCOTTY HE SPEAKS THE TRUTH, HE DON'T LOOK FOR KNOW SHORTCUTS. SON YOU BETTER WAKE-UP BECAUSE YOU SURE CAN'T SEPERATE HONEST BOOKS FROM DISHONEST BOOKS. IF IT WAS ON THE UP AND UP IT WOULDN'T HAVE MATTERED IF THE PLAYER HAD 6 DIGITS COMING HE WOULD HAVE GOT EVERY PENNY. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A MATCH STICK TO SPIRO. HE IS NOT PAYING SIMPLY BECAUSE HE KNOWS FOR A FACT WHAT TOOK PLACE. IF YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND THAT YOU NEED TO START ALL OVER IN THE GAMBLING INDUSTRY, AND THAN MAYBE IT WILL SOAK IN YOUR THICK SKULL.....
 

pioneer

EOG Dedicated
Re: Betjamaica Dispute

HE DON'T LOOK FOR KNOW SHORTCUTS.

After reading that sentence, and due to the fact that you can't even find the capslock key, I won't waste the forum's time asking if you know the meaning of the terms "pyrrhic victory" and "hubris". You clearly don't know right from wrong!

ps. unbelievable that someone would ever say "well put" to you, Rainbow, but don't get too pleased as it is only Fletcher....that's like getting praise from the Devil, the real one, although I'm not sure that distinction is necessary.
 

rainbow

EOG Master
Re: Betjamaica Dispute

someone else posted this in the other thread, so I didn't want to take all the credit for the question...

"One Question for you Scotty:

I have been told by numerous people that BJ does indeed have the ability to implement limits w/ their racebook software. If this is the case, and Oscark had a $500 limit implemented on his sportsbook section, why was the $500 limit not implemented on his racebook section? I'd like you to answer this publically."

...also why did you give out confidential information on this oscark to the Shrink who then posted that confidential information?

this has been a long two threads here so you probably missed it but do you know the meaning of the terms "pyrrhic victory" and "hubris"? You may think you have won this battle, Scotty, but you have really lost the war. It's not too late; admit that you were just stubbornly proud and pay off the winning horse bets.<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
YOU ARE ONE SICK HUMAN BEING, SCOTTY HAS NOTHING TO HIDE FROM YOU OR ANYONE ELSE LIVING. YOU ARE THE ONE MY FRIEND THAT NEEDS TO ADMIT THAT YOU ARE CLUELESS ABOUT THIS WHOLE THREAD. AMEN, YOU REALLY ARE A TROUBLE MAKER. THE BOTTOMLINE IS I KNOW WHO SCOTTY AND SPIRO ARE, THAT'S WHY YOU ARE 10000000000000% WRONG.
 
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