Gabe, you DO realize that Fezzik hasn’t won in literally 15 years, right?
His record since he went tout is absolutely atrocious.
Just looked through this thread. So bettoriq is poster WAZ correct?
I made a long post about him a while back i believe. He mentioned how he had one of the sharpest numbers in cbb. He said how he would bet anything that was off 1 point.
And then mentioned that his bet size was 500 dollars.
He had mentioned he was up like 50k or more in cbb season... but i think he said 100k for that season.
I recall someone said he was legit. I thought... there is no way anyone is up that 50k for cbb season if every bet size is 500 dollars. So from looking at this thread, this Waz is a fraud huh?
Now,n’t know for sure. I can only rely on I could tell this guy was a fraud. Seemed to talk slick and arrogant. I mean.. it was either him or someone else mentioned that he was one of the sharpest cbb bettors out there.
Well... the sharpest one out there bets only 500 dollars a game?
Who here honestly believes waz bet 500 a game in cbb and flat bet and made 50000 in cbb season... yes thats 100 units for the season. Even he said 50 units, that would be borderline fraud. I think he even mentioned he had an expected amount of units he want to make a year... he said like 3 percent roi or something...
I think he is the driving force behind it.
It seems like he is sailing really close to the wind w/ that parameter but no idea about betting CBB so can’t comment too much.
Are you sure he wasn’t talking about his average bet size or something? I would be very surprised if he didn’t vary size based upon his perceived edge.
That’s a good season… if true.
Not necessarily. While I think he upsells himself, I also think he’s a smart and competent bettor; it’s just that there are levels to this and he is at a level where he needs to sell.
If he said it, didn’t I mention something about upselling
If one of his Tipster Chic Groupies said it, who gives a fuck, they don’t know anything or else they wouldn’t be groupies.
Zero correlation between bet size and sharpness. I wouldn’t judge people by their bet size.
He could make 50K in a CBB season if he turned over ~1.6 Million+ through the markets and got a 3% yield. If he is truly betting $500 a game, that would mean ~3,200 bets in a CBB season.
However, if he is truly yielding 3%, then:
1. He shouldn’t be selling shit and risk compromising his edge because he can get independently wealthy off it.
2. This clown bragging about betting his own picks means they should theortically shorten by a factor of 1.03. So what he bets @ 2.00 (Even Money) shortens to ~1.94, meaning his subscribors get short-changed ~6% on their returns. This is mainly for illustrative purposes as his clients aren’t going to get worse pricing on every bet and will sometimes get the same or even better pricing but the fact remains, no Pro should be selling shit if they are betting it; front-running paying clients is not the right thing to do.
He said he bet $500 in cbb. So whether its flat betting or average bet... that would be same thing.
Look at some of the touts out there.
If someone is up like 30 units in a season, they are one of the best. He said he was up 50k in cbb season... basically implying 100 units. He made some statement where he said his roi goal was 2 or 3 percent... i dont recall exactly which. However, that would imply his goal for the cbb season is like 80 units or something like that. Or say 50 units at the absolute minimum. Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? So he implied he was making 50 units every cbb season at the worst? Where 100 units is the best?
And all this betting 1 unit a game?
Well if he was the sharpest person in cbb... don't you think he would have other ppl bet his stuff for a lot more than 500 a game? Imagine those syndicates who know about him and this guy is supposedly the best cbb capper out there. Im sure they would pay him lot of money for his plays so they could bet a huge amount on it right? However, the thing is he said he is volume player... he basically implied that he bets like 3000 bets a cbb season or something like that. I knew from the way he spoke he was a fraud.
Imagine you were very sharp.
Don't you think that already would have happened with waz since he is friends with lot of sharps?
They would probably put a lot of money into his plays easily. I think he is a fraud. I seen him post few times. Seem to talk like he is some sharp bettor. Also the fact that someone said he erased picks... that sure shows his credibility. Why don't you guys ask him if its true he averages 80 units each cbb season?
Anyone even remotely competent could tell he is making things up.
No it wouldn’t, you’re thinking about it wrong.
If he makes three $500 bets @ 2.00 and goes 2-1, he’s up $500.
If he makes three bets that average $500 (250,500,750) @ 2.00 and goes 2-1 (losing the last game) he broke even.
Winning $500 or winning $0, are not the same thing,
Averages mask volatility.
Please don’t make me do that.
No, actually I don’t.
If he turned over ~1.6M+ during the CBB season and was working a 3% edge, he most certainly could have made 50K.
$1,600,000 (Turnover) * .03 (Yield) = 48K (Profit)
Or
$50,000 (Profit) / .03 (Yield) = $1,666,660 (Turnover)
That math looks outrageous to you?
I’m not saying he did or he didn’t but it’s certainly plausible.
Stop acting like the accomplishment is like turning water into wine. It’s very impressive but it falls short of a miracle.
I don’t think he is doing that.
Congrats.
He’s a fraud because he is perpetrating one as a Tipster, not because he doesn’t know how to gamble; he does know.
I can’t even imagine, can you tell me what it’s like?
That’s a matter of opinion.
Have you seen him around here?
I don’t know if he is or he isn’t.
You seriously think he turned 1.6 million dollar in wagers during the cbb season while betting 500/game every single game?
He basically implied thats what he did... he bet like 3000 plus games for the entire cbb season. Thus he would have days where he bet 30 plays a day at 500/game. I mean... the least amount of games he had a day to wager was what... 10 games? Who in the world has 3000 plays in one cbb season? I know there are lot of teams and games etc but thats ridiculous.
Have him post his win/loss and units won every year and see how it looks. You honestly think this guys worst season was +30 units or something?
He implied that with his 2 or 3 percent roi... he averages to make about 80-100 units a year in cbb season. Do you know how ridiculous that is? Even RAS is up like 30 units a season at the very best. You really think this guy is up 30 units in cbb season in his worst year? And on average he makes 80-100 units a cbb season?
If he's averaging 80-100 units a season betting 3000 plays a game, don't you think he would have contacted ppl with huge bankrolls on this and have them get into it? Thus imagine someone who bets 3k or 5k a game and could bet his plays... so that player if he on average wins 80 units a cbb season would be up 240k to 400k a cbb season. Why dont you think Waz has done that yet?
Surely Waz gets a percentage of the winnings or something like that, he would no doubt do it. If anyone with big bankroll saw a so called sharp betting 3000 plays a cbb season, thats basically someone throwing darts. Who in the world would have 3000 plus plays a cbb season? He mentioned he bet anything that is 1 point off or something ridiculous like that.
Also have him mention what his record is every single cbb season... and you guys could take a guess if you believe him or not. I seen him post... he talks like a big know it all who doesn't want to share any secret. The truth is his system or whatever he uses to cap the games is a fraud.
If he was so good, any one with big pockets would pay a lot for his plays. Then they find out... oh this guy just bets 30 games every single day. You going to follow someone who bets 3000 games a cbb season? No one would.
A Professional bettor could easily churn 1.6M through the markets during a CBB Season. I'm not privy to Waz’s staking system but I don’t think it’s exclusively a level staking one (500/game).
You’re asking me questions I don’t know that answer to. I don’t personally know anyone that does that but that doesn’t mean no one does it.
I’m skeptical he’s working a 3% edge off that volume but I have no idea what earning oppurtunities are available in CBB. I know virtually nothing about that sport or market.
I don’t know what to think. I don’t know him but what I know of him, I wouldn’t trust him as far as I could throw a Brinks Truck.
I never said I believe that. What I said is that he could have made 50K in a CBB Season; that’s it.
Did he? I have no idea but it’s certainly plausible.
I’m not saying the dude isn’t a BS Artist. He can be that and a decent gambler; the two aren’t mutually exclusive.
How do you know it’s ridiculous if you don’t know what the point(s) are worth?
He’s a Modeler.
He’s not giving out 3,000 plays to clients, come on.
If he said he made 50k in cbb season, well that statement could be true or false.
He said he was up 50k in cbb season... basically implying 100 units.
But if he said his average unit or bet size was 2500 or 5000... that would believable because thats 10 or 20 units. He mentioned his bet size was 500 dollars... i believe he said he bet flat 500 dollars a game. Now let say he didn't bet flat 500 a game and average bet was 500 a game. You actually think he made 50k in cbb season betting 500 dollars flat betting or average bet size? No one would believe that.
He has no edge.
What kind of person removes a record and is a tout?
A fraud that is what he is. Then how many plays is he giving out to clients then? Would you pay any money for Waz's picks?
you think anyone would believe he is averaging 80-100 units in cbb per cbb season?
I decided to go back a month and tally Waz's picks from 9/21/18.
The tale of two touts is rather starkly different.
With RECAP W/L/P records:
Drink (Eddie Walls, complete RECAP): 40-26-4, +13.18u. (This is a "virtual" subset of picks emailed to me early in each week, only 2 added).
Waz (I missed first 3 weeks): 29-47-1, -27.41u.
Now is the time to jump on in! Mathematically impossible for me to get any worse!! $99 for the next 30 days!!
- Waz
DRINK.........great job on the podcasts...........keep em coming..........good luck...........bish
agree they should have ytd recordsI took a look at that bettoriq website. So you mentioned how much units he is down in every single sport. Well how did you find his ytd records for waz? When i clicked on recap, i only check the previous days and it would show his plays and those other touts plays. Then i noticed when he went like 3-1 in a day, there was a heading in the bottom that said Waz is like 9-2 in his last 11 nhl plays. So basically he was horrible before that. What kind of character is that? That's a fraud.
I checked his site. He seem to think there is an edge in every single sport. Why don't he just make golf or tennis plays next time? He seems to use language like complex models etc. How do you even know he isn't making things up? I don't think he is but look at the way he touts himself and speaks about himself.
You think he wins on average 80 units each cbb season? That is the big question here. Yes it could happen in one season if you run very hot as well. But there is no way this guy has been up 80 units for more than 2 season at the max. I don't think he ever was up 80 units in one season. Do you know how ridiculous to do something like that? It's all a lie. If he removed picks, how you know if he is telling the truth or not?
So this guy charges close to 1k for his cbb plays. And around 800 for his nhl plays. How do you know if he was even profitable before this?
I seen his posts and his site. He's a damn fraud. Have him post all his cbb plays after he bets them. Or have him post his plays on a site where someone monitors his plays. Isn't there a website that does this or something? Im sure Waz would not agree to it because it would expose him for the fraud that he is? Really... averaging 80 units per cbb season every season? If you said 50 units, that would seem already BS. There is no way he done that in multiple seasons. That's why he has a website to sell picks because he can't win.
So they don't have ytd records then? Why they say waz is 9-2 in his last nhl plays then if his 11 plays were like 2-9 then? Anyone find that pretty scummy of him?