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Raid that got bin Laden was culmination of years of work, sr. admin officials say | Philip Klein | Beltway Confidential | Washington Examiner

Raid that got bin Laden was culmination of years of work, sr. admin officials say

Sunday afternoon’s raid by U.S. forces that killed Osama bin Laden was the “culmination of years of careful and highly advanced intelligence work,” senior administration officials said in a conference call, describing the genesis of an operation that sounded like it was right out of a “Mission Impossible” movie.

Some time after Sept. 11, detainees held by the U.S. told interrogators about a man believed to work as a courier for bin Laden, senior administration officials said. The man was described by detainees as a prot?g? of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, and “one of the few Al Qaeda couriers trusted by bin laden.”

Initially, intelligence officials only had the man’s nickname, but they discovered his real name four years ago.

Two years ago, intelligence officials began to identify areas of Pakistan where the courier and his brother operated, and the great security precautions the two men took aroused U.S. suspicions.

Last August, intelligence officials tracked the men to their residence in Abbottabad, Pakistan, a relatively wealthy town 35 miles north of Islamabad where many retired military officers live.

“When we saw the compound where the brothers lived, we were shocked by what we saw,” a senior administration official said.

The compound was eight times larger than any other home in the area. It was surrounded by walls measuring 12 feet to 18 feet that were topped with barbed wire. There were additional inner walls that sectioned off parts of the compound and entry was restricted by two security gates.

And the residents burned their trash instead of leaving it outside for pickup. There was a three-story house on the site, with a 7-foot privacy wall on the top floor.

While the two brothers, the couriers, had no known source of income, the compound was built in 2005 and valued at $1 million. That led intelligence officials to conclude that it must have been built to hold a high-value member of Al Qaeda.

Further intelligence gathering found that there was another family who lived on the compound which had a size and makeup that matched the bin Laden members who would have most likely been with Osama.

After exploring every angle for months, they concluded that all signs pointed to this being bin Laden’s residence.

President Obama was made aware of the compound when it was discovered last year. By mid-February, the intelligence was solid and since mid-March, Obama led five meetings with the National Security Council regarding the issue.

Intelligence officials worked with the U.S. military to plan the operation and a small team accepted the risk and began to train for it.

On April 29, this past Friday, Obama gave the final go ahead.

The U.S. team conducted a helicopter raid of the compound Sunday afternoon. It was described as a “surgical raid” that took less than 40 minutes, during which time the team did not encounter any local authorities.

In addition to bin Laden, the team killed three men, believed to be the two couriers as well as Osama’s adult male son. :thumbsup One woman was killed when she was used as a shield by one of the male combatants. All other non-combatants were removed safely.

One of the helicopters was lost in the raid due to mechanical failure, but the team escaped in the other helicopter.

No other country, not even Pakistan, was informed of any of this intelligence until after the raid to protect operational security.
 
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The real story that will eventually emerge from this is that these fucking Pakis had been harboring this piece of shit in this "terrorist condo" for years and kept it secret. How could the Pakistan military and their intelligence agencies not know about this?

:soapbox:
 
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Yep, of course they knew.

This "terrorist condo" was smack-dab in the middle of a military community:

"A medium-sized city, Abbottabad is home to a large Pakistani military base, a military academy of the Pakistani army, and a major hospital and other facilities that would could have served as support for Osama bin Laden. A senior Indonesian militant, Umar Patek, was arrested in Abbottabad earlier this year. Mr. Patek was protected by a Qaeda operative, a postal clerk who worked under cover at the main post office, a signal that Al Qaeda may have had other operatives in the area."
:+big-8+
 
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Did Waterboarding Just Get Vindicated?

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The view from (some) on the right in regard to the Bin Laden news is: waterboarding is vindicated.

One GOP Congressman tweeted: Wonder what President Obama thinks of water boarding now?

The reason is that there's a direct line to be traced from the big news to data collected at GITMO -- data that was almost certainly collected under duress.

Here's the key interrogation note regarding a courier going to Abottabad:



Image: DocumentCloud

Here's the argument elucidates by John Hinderaker at the conservative Power Line blog:

KSM and Libi are two of the three al Qaeda leaders who were waterboarded. Published accounts indicate that waterboarding was key to getting valuable information from them. Our intelligence on al Qaeda and other terrorists groups is of course much better than it was in 2001, but it is still possible that in the future we may capture a terrorist who has information that we have an imminent need to extract. Should that happen, it is unfortunate that waterboarding and other enhanced interrogation techniques, which can best be viewed as humane alternatives to torture, have been taken off the table.

Of course, the defense of waterboarding comes down to cherrypicking the good, easy to see results (capturing top officials) and ignores the unseen results (all the ex-GITMO detainees who come back as more hardened terrorists).

Read more: Did Waterboarding Just Get Vindicated?
 
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The picture in post #13 is fake? It's disgusting that people have nothing better to do than come up with something like that.
 
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Did Waterboarding Just Get Vindicated?

Doesn't seem like it. Everything I've watched and read the last 24 hours has said the exact opposite.

The main info was not obtained via this method.
 
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i find the timing of your coment curious!
That's because you're a Kool Aid drinkin' drone.

Less than 24 hours before Navy Seals were scheduled to raid Usama's compound (it was delayed a day because of weather) the Kenyan dumped what is clearly a forged birth certificate.

Now he's delaying the release of photographs dragging the story out a few days more. Are they going to have printed t-shirts when Obama visits Ground Zero the way they did at the AZ shooting memorial? :doh1



My guess is the Kenyan will probably release the full-action video in or around May 17th -- the day Corsi's book comes out!

How conveeeeeenient. 2938u4ji23
 
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The Interrogator by Glenn Carle July 2011.

Lawrence Wilkerson, former chief of staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell
"In The Interrogator, Glenn Carle has done more than simply lift a part of the curtain behind which are lurking despicable men such as John Yoo and Douglas Feith, he has turned the stage lights on those who stand out front and continue to receive rave reviews from the rabid right wing, men such as Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld. But most of all, Carle's moving and emotional story-in spite of CIA redactions to the text-has exposed us all, from the CIA officers who turned a blind eye, to the cabinet members who should have known better, to the American people themselves because they allowed such people to corrupt our nation. I know; I was one of them."

The Interrogator is the story of Carle?s most serious assignment, when he was ?surged? to become an interrogator in the U.S. Global War on Terror to interrogate a top level detainee at one of the CIA?s notorious black sites overseas. It tells of his encounter with one of the most senior al-Qa?ida detainees the U.S. captured after 9/11, a ?ghost detainee? who, the CIA believed, might hold the key to finding Osama bin Ladin.

Glenn l. Carle was a member of the CIA?s Clandestine Service for twenty-three years and retired in March 2007 as deputy national intelligence officer for transnational threats. He lives in Washington, DC.
 
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The book has not been released yet. Carle is a retired CIA officer. It should be an interesting read to say the least.

People who have read it have said it will "blow the roof" off GOP Foreign policy.
 
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Keep drinking the Obama Kool Aid, CC...

They identified him as one of Bin Laden's couriers, an aide the terror chief trusted with his life. But details were scant and agents quickly found the trail went cold.
It was not until 2004, when Al Qaeda operative Hassan Ghul was captured in Iraq, that the CIA began to make progress.
Ghul told the intelligence service that al-Kuwaiti was a courier and that he was close to Faraj al-Libi, Al Qaeda's operational commander, who replaced Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.The pace of the pursuit then picked when U.S. soldiers captured al-Libi.

Under CIA interrogation, al-Libi admitted that when he was promoted to succeed Mohammed, he received the word through a courier.

The killing of bin Laden literally knocks out every single argument of the far left against the Bush administration. These new revelations show the value of the Iraq War, Gitmo, secret CIA interrogation sites, enhanced interrogation efforts, and George W. Bush's general "War On Terror."

Now the ring leader of these circus clowns who got elected largely because of his opposition to these policies, is trying to take ALL the credit.

Absolutely priceless.
 
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In Muslim world, many doubters say bin Laden still lives
Updated: Tuesday, 03 May 2011, 5:28 PM EDT
Published : Tuesday, 03 May 2011, 3:53 PM EDT

(NewsCore) - Across the Muslim world, the killing of Usama bin Laden has unleashed a swirl of conspiracy theories, with many Pakistanis, Afghans and Arabs refusing to believe US assurances that al Qaeda's founder is actually dead, The Wall Street Journal reported Tuesday.

Read more: ]In Muslim world, many doubters say bin Laden still lives
When Saddam's sons Uday and Qusay were killed in Iraq, the proof was released immediately (gruesome as the photos were). When Saddam was captured, the proof was released immediately. And so on.

By concealing (and clearly playing politics with) the evidence of bin Laden's killing, the administration is unleashing a rash of conspiracy theories and eroding whatever goodwill and credibility he stood to gain from an event which should be a bi-partisan slam dunk.

Seriously, is there anything this administration hasn't completely screwed up? :doh1

RELEASE THE @%#&ING PHOTOS!!!
 

tank

EOG Dedicated
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Keep drinking the Obama Kool Aid, CC...


The killing of bin Laden literally knocks out every single argument of the far left against the Bush administration. These new revelations show the value of the Iraq War, Gitmo, secret CIA interrogation sites, enhanced interrogation efforts, and George W. Bush's general "War On Terror."

Now the ring leader of these circus clowns who got elected largely because of his opposition to these policies, is trying to take ALL the credit.

Absolutely priceless.
Sorry Joe their is no value in the Iraq war.
Obama is the one that said he would go into Pakistan and kill Bin Laden while McCain said he would not.
2008 flashback: Obama promised to get bin Laden. McCain disagreed. Obama won. And bin Laden is dead


2008 flashback: Obama promised to get bin Laden. McCain disagreed. Obama won. And bin Laden is dead. - Daily Kos TV (beta)

BTW I do kinda feel sleazy going to that site to get that video.
 
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Editorial: ?Dumb? War In Iraq Led Obama To Bin Laden

Editorial:

Posted 06:49 PM ET

Leadership: If President Bush had not invaded Iraq, President Obama likely would not have found Osama bin Laden. The al-Qaida operative who fingered bin Laden's courier was caught in Iraq helping terrorists in 2004.

It was a line Obama never got tired of. Most infamously, he used it during an anti-war rally at Chicago's Federal Plaza in October 2002: "I don't oppose all wars," the state senator said as President Bush was preparing to attack Saddam Hussein. "What I am opposed to is a dumb war."

Obama accused "political hacks like Karl Rove" of launching the Iraq War for the purpose of distracting Americans from their economic hardships.

A decade later we know Obama was dead wrong. The successful manhunt that delivered justice from the barrel of a gun to the elusive head of al-Qaida wouldn't have happened without an indispensable piece of the puzzle that the U.S. got because of its presence in Iraq.

In January 2004, Kurdish forces near the Iranian border apprehended Hassan Ghul, a top al-Qaida lieutenant once under the direct command of 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Muhammad. After quickly being handed over to U.S. forces, Ghul was sent to one of the CIA's foreign "black site" prisons. It wasn't long before this particular terrorist canary started singing.

Ghul told the CIA that "Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti" ? determined years later to be Sheikh Abu Ahmed ? was a high-value courier for al-Qaida and key associate of KSM successor Faraj al-Libi. When al-Libi was captured and interrogated the next year, U.S. intelligence began putting together the pieces, finally concluding that al-Kuwaiti was a courier to bin Laden himself.

This early key puzzle piece, without which other pieces might not have been found, came from an al-Qaida operative whose sole purpose for being in Iraq was to organize armed opposition to the U.S. presence there.

Iraq had indeed, as Bush frequently said, become "the central front in the global war on terror," and the Iraq War success of capturing Ghul led to the success of killing the central personage of global terror, at least symbolically, Osama bin Laden.

Had America not invaded, al-Kuwaiti and the valuable information inside his head would have been someplace else, probably where it was a lot easier to remain on the loose. He might never have been caught.

So we have another reason it was wise to go into Iraq. Not only did the Iraq invasion topple Saddam, who used chemical weapons to commit genocide against his own people, and sought nuclear weapons to slaughter others; not only did it give the Iraqi people their first opportunity for freedom and prosperity, providing a model of liberty for other Mideast Islamic nations. On top of all that, it led to the death of bin Laden.

As a bonus, Ghul's role in the elimination of bin Laden is another validation of the wisdom of Bush's authorization for the CIA's black sites, where harsh interrogation methods against terrorists could be practiced.

Iraq a dumb war? That falsity is another thing for which President Obama owes President Bush an apology ? and a thank you on behalf of the American people.
 
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So rather than drop a 2000 bomb on bin Laden's compound which would have likely wiped out all forensic evidence, Obama insisted on sending in a team of elite Navy Seals to kill him. Full marks to Obama for that gutsy call. Had the mission gone south, the Commander in Chief would be the one taking the heat, so it's only fair to give credit where its due. This is good.

On the other hand I've been told that Obama did not want to sign a non-disclosure agreement for the "assassination squads" (what the left called these brave warriors during the Bush presidency), but he relented because General David Patraeus insisted on it. This is bad.

Here's why:

While virtually every American -- indeed, most civilized people around the world -- celebrate the death of the world's most wanted terrorist, the International Progressive Establishment (NWO types -- think George Soros) sees it differently.

Not surprisingly, they are already questioning the legality of the mission:


UN rights chief seeks details on Bin Laden killing

UN rights chief seeks details on Bin Laden killing - Yahoo! News

UN human rights boss questions U.S. on legality of bin Laden killing

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/human+rights+boss+questions+legality+Laden+killing/4721045/story.html
Similar editorials have been springing up across Europe and around the world.

If you find this anti-American pissing and moaning repulsive, imagine the uproar had bin Laden been killed under Bush's watch.

And if you're one of those NWO George Soros types hooked on the Kool-Aid believing the denigration of US sovereignty is a good thing, chew on this:

If these vile unelected Global Progressives had their way, your heroic Navy Seals could easily be charged with war crimes.

Believe it.


 

tank

EOG Dedicated
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So rather than drop a 2000 bomb on bin Laden's compound which would have likely wiped out all forensic evidence, Obama insisted on sending in a team of elite Navy Seals to kill him. Full marks to Obama for that gutsy call. Had the mission gone south, the Commander in Chief would be the one taking the heat, so it's only fair to give credit where its due. This is good.

On the other hand I've been told that Obama did not want to sign a non-disclosure agreement for the "assassination squads" (what the left called these brave warriors during the Bush presidency), but he relented because General David Patraeus insisted on it. This is bad.

Here's why:

While virtually every American -- indeed, most civilized people around the world -- celebrate the death of the world's most wanted terrorist, the International Progressive Establishment (NWO types -- think George Soros) sees it differently.

Not surprisingly, they are already questioning the legality of the mission:

Similar editorials have been springing up across Europe and around the world.

If you find this anti-American pissing and moaning repulsive, imagine the uproar had bin Laden been killed under Bush's watch.

And if you're one of those NWO George Soros types hooked on the Kool-Aid believing the denigration of US sovereignty is a good thing, chew on this:

If these vile unelected Global Progressives had their way, your heroic Navy Seals could easily be charged with war crimes.

Believe it.


This whole thing is turning into a joke.Who cares who get's the credit, what the UN thinks ....that piece of shit is dead and the UN can chase the climate crap instead of worrying about important stuff like this.Quit sending them and Pakistan any more money.
 
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SEALs are standing taller after secret raid

By Rowan Scarborough
-The Washington Times
9:00 p.m.,
Monday, May 2, 2011

After the U.S. responded to the Sept. 11 attacks by investing billions of dollars to revive neglected special operations forces, it was only fitting that Navy SEALs earned the glory of killing the most wanted terrorist in history.

It was not an airstrike from 15,000 feet, or a foreign military, or someone in the inner circle who got to Osama bin Laden.

It was a team of well-trained American warriors whose command made manhunting a top priority over the past decade.

"Amen. We're standing 6 inches taller," said retired Rear Adm. George R. Worthington, who, as the top SEAL, headed the Naval Special Warfare Command in Coronado, Calif., in the early 1990s. "Interesting that 'scuba divers' took out Osama bin Laden."

The nearly flawless helicopter assault on bin Laden's walled hide-out in Abbottabad, Pakistan, showed that the huge U.S. investment in special operations forces - or SOF, as they are known - paid off spectacularly. There was no repeat of Desert One, the botched 1980 raid to free U.S. hostages in Iran, or Black Hawk Down, the disastrous 1993 mission in Somalia to capture a warlord.

The Somalia mission involved the secretive Joint Special Operations Command - the same unit that led Sunday's killing of bin Laden. What happened in the interim began with Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld's post-Sept. 11 orders to rebuild Special Operations Command into a combatant division on par with Central Command and other prestigious war-planning and war-fighting headquarters.

For the Joint Special Operations Command, a mix of Army Delta Force soldiers and the Navy's SEAL Team 6, it meant more manpower and its own intelligence asset, known as Task Force Orange.

In Iraq and Afghanistan, the Joint Special Operations Command has teamed with aviation units, CIA officers and agents of the eavesdropping National Security Agency to form potent manhunting groups.

This fusion first gained wide public notice in 2006, when the command, then led by Army Lt. Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, hunted down Abu Musab Zarqawi, a particularly deadly al Qaeda terrorist in Iraq.

Sunday's raid was highly demanding. Army Black Hawk helicopters with 24 SEALs flew at low level more than 100 miles inside Pakistan's airspace, undetected. 91023i2ndw;l

The team landed before bin Laden could escape, then found, identified and killed the al Qaeda leader. Proficient in night operations, the SEALs did it all in 40 minutes and were airborne again - carrying the body of the most-wanted with them.

It is likely the raid was launched from northeastern Afghanistan, the area assigned to Navy counterterrorism SEALs. Army's Delta Force works other parts of the country.

Joint Special Operations Command divided Iraq in much the same way, with SEALs stationed in Anbar Province, while Delta Force performed missions around Baghdad.

President George W. Bush's war on terrorism translated into robust spending on what are affectionately called "snake eaters."
Special Operations Command's budget grew from $2.3 billion in 2001 to nearly $10 billion today. Manpower expanded from 45,500 to 61,500.

"It's an order of magnitude better," said Adm. Worthington. "The training these guys are getting, it's 10 times what we were getting when I went through. They're getting training right now that makes them the best in the world."


At the time of the Sept. 11 attacks, special operations - Navy SEALs, Army Green Berets and Delta Force, and Air Force AC-130 gunships - were generally neglected. The previous Clinton administration had not called on them to go after bin Laden or his network.

All that changed under Mr. Bush and Mr. Rumsfeld: Green Berets led the initial invasion of Afghanistan. Joint Special Operations Command enlarged and expanded its manhunting skills worldwide. The Marine Corps created its first special forces command.

"We increased the size of special operations forces," said former Rep. Duncan Hunter, California Republican and former chairman of the House Armed Services Committee. "We obviously increased their funding for new technical capabilities."


One key move was to make Special Operations Command a "supported" command, not just one that did the bidding of other commands, but could plan and execute battles.

"Rumsfeld elevated special operations to where they had field command empowerment, which is something they never had before," Mr. Hunter said. "We increased generally across the board the size and the capability of special operation commands. ... We made them more robust than they were."

An Obama White House official told reporters that killing bin Laden was the result of years of work.

"This remarkable achievement could not have happened without persistent effort and careful planning over many years," the official said.

"Our national security professionals did a superb job."

SEAL commanders are urging their men to remain humble.

"Today, we should all be proud," said a message to sailors Sunday night from Rear Adm. Edward G. Winters III, the Navy's top SEAL. "That handful of courageous men, of strong will and character, have changed the course of history.

"Stand tall - more importantly, be humble, be the quiet professional. This is what makes our organization special. Be extremely careful about operational security. The fight is not over."

? Copyright 2011 The Washington Times, LLC. Click here for reprint permission.
 
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Wow CC, that Bush foreign policy sure is in shambles.

Truthfully, the only "roofs getting blown off" right now are the compounds of the world's most wanted terrorists -- Call of Duty style.

Huffington Compost hack. 2938u4ji23
 
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Ridiculous they dont show the photo's, they show saddams sons, hussein himself, zawqauri, but they hesitate with a scumbag like bin laden, as if the fuckin muslims wouldnt hate us if we "wash" his body and kiss his ass after killing bin laden and throwing him overboard.
 
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Joe Biden opens his mouth about US Navy SEALs

By Toby Harnden World Last updated: May 4th, 2011
Joe Biden speaks with John Kerry at a White House supper on Monday (Photo:AFP)

Since President Barack Obama announced that “a small team of Americans” had killed Osama bin Laden, US government officials have carefully stuck to the line that they will not talk about which units were involved.

Obama did not say it was the SEALs. In numerous television appearances, Obama’s counter-terrorism chief John Brennan didn’t and his deputy national security adviser Denis McDonough didn’t. Despite the numerous news reports that named the SEALs, none of the anonymous briefers from the CIA and Pentagon would confirm it.

Here’s a typical response to a question about the SEALs from a senior defence official in a Pentagon briefing on Monday:
QUESTION: Can I ask you, can you confirm that it was a (Navy) SEAL team? And was this a specially designated team that had been practising or reviewing intelligence for a while and they were the unit of choice?

SENIOR DEFENCE OFFICIAL: Not going to comment on units or numbers.
But here’s what the legendarily verbose and loose-lipped Vice President Joe Biden said at a dinner at Washington’s Ritz Carlton Hotel last night to mark the 50th anniversary of the Atlantic Council:
Let me briefly acknowledge tonight’s distinguished honorees. Admiral James Stavridis is a, is the real deal. He can tell you more about and understands the incredible, the phenomenal, the just almost unbelievable capacity of his Navy SEALs and what they did last Sunday.
And:
Folks, I’d be remiss also if I didn’t say an extra word about the incredible events, extraordinary events of this past Sunday. As Vice President of the United States, as an American, I was in absolute awe of the capacity and dedication of the entire team, both the intelligence community, the CIA, the SEALs. It just was extraordinary.

 
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