"Fade Black Coaches" thread or something to that effect. Where is it?

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homie1975

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cannot be doing very well this tourney, fading this cohort.

Just sayin. you wana take your shots at them? then take your medicine, too.

i searched but could not find the thread. i wanted to bump it and see how the ATS and ML record is betting 'against them'.

i hope the faders are losing bigly. sorry. that's who i am.
 
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homie1975

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hubert davis at UNC
shaheen holloway at saint peter's
kelvin sampson at houston (missing his 2 best guards but will give the Illini hell)
juwan howard at michigan (what a huge win over Tenn esp after a tumultuous month)
ed cooley at providence

a very good run and not over yet.........
 
John Kelly

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A black coach's ability to relate to the inner city kid should serve him well.

Shaheen Holloway at Saint Peter's is a prime example.

He has a street mentality that demands/respects toughness.

Impossible to bluff today's young black basketball stars.

They know if you care about them.
 
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Moreover, the young black basketball star cannot "get over" on someone who has been in his shoes just 10-15 years ago.
 
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What's tough for young black basketball coaches is a lack of pedigree.

Doug Collins passed down his coaching genes and basketball knowledge to Chris Collins.

Dick Bennett to Tony Bennett, Rick Pitino to Richard Pitino and Ralph Willard to Kevin Willard, etc.

In football, Jim and John Harbaugh's father was the longtime football coach at Western Kentucky.

Meantime, Lovie Smith's father was a janitor and Denny Green's father was a postal worker.

Generational change takes time.
 
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If Gonzaga wins it all, the Zags will look back on that second-round game against Memphis as the battle that propelled them to the championship.
 
Crazy Pete

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John Kelly said:
What's tough for young black basketball coaches is a lack of pedigree.

Doug Collins passed down his coaching genes and basketball knowledge to Chris Collins.

Dick Bennett to Tony Bennett, Rick Pitino to Richard Pitino and Ralph Willard to Kevin Willard, etc.

In football, Jim and John Harbaugh's father was the longtime football coach at Western Kentucky.

Meantime, Lovie Smith's father was a janitor and Denny Green's father was a postal worker.

Generational change takes time.
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It’s very hard to pass down a coaching pedigree to black children when 80%+ of black fathers are not involved in their child’s lives.
 
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asportsguy

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"I disagree. I think the Hogs have the experience and the game to push the Zags and maybe even win."
Hogs have no bigs to match Go-zaga Memphis did

Stackhouse Vandy SEC tourny 3-0 ATS in NIT 2-1 ATS

Another black coach doing good ??????????????
 
O'Royken

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Players were coached most of their lives once they leave NBA and College Basketball.

Following their playing days if they didn't learn how to coach it is on them not society.
 
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ComptrBob

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raycabino said:
Black coaches have certainly crushed in the ncaa tourney this year.
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Sweet 16 coaches pretty much in line (31%) with the 24.9% overall percentage of black coaches in Div 1. Holloway of St. Peters was the real outlier getting a 15 seed into the Sweet 16 which only happened twice before in 37 years (since the tourney went to 64 teams.)
 
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Mich and nicar were preseason top 10s who nosedived, both benfitted with best possible draws, even St Peter had easy rnd 32 draw
 
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homie1975

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O'Royken said:
Players were coached most of their lives once they leave NBA and College Basketball.

Following their playing days if they didn't learn how to coach it is on them not society.
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many, perhaps most, were not given a chance to cut their teeth as coaches (Old Boy's Club).

it's about opportunity.
 
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homie1975

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ComptrBob said:
Sweet 16 coaches pretty much in line (31%) with the 24.9% overall percentage of black coaches in Div 1. Holloway of St. Peters was the real outlier getting a 15 seed into the Sweet 16 which only happened twice before in 37 years (since the tourney went to 64 teams.)
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no it's 24.5% higher (31% vs 24.9%) which I believe is a material difference ;-)
 
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homie1975 said:
no it's 24.5% higher (31% vs 24.9%) which I believe is a material difference ;-)
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No, its such a small sample, the difference is not statistically significant. They overperformed this year, but really did not "crush" it.

There were 3 black coaches out of Sweet 16 teams in 2021 (18.8% of the 16 coaches and 32.4% below the average), however I would guess you would flip-flop and argue that black coaches didn't get "crushed" but simply underperformed in 2021 and that it wasn't materially different than average.
 
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Glad we're having this open discussion about black head coaches.

Remember Super Bowl XLI in 2007 between the Colts and Bears.

The major storyline heading into the game was the coaching matchup of Tony Dungy and Lovie Smith, two black head coaches competing in the NFL's ultimate game.

If you're going to group coaches by race and highlight their successes, then it's only fair to group coaches by race and discuss their failures.

Unfortunately, there are some media outlets that only want to push their one-way narrative.

Trivia question: Name the event prior to said Super Bowl that featured two African-American head coaches squaring off in a major U.S. sport.

Answer: The 1975 NBA Finals between the Golden State Warriors (Al Attles) and Washington Bullets (K.C. Jones).
 
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homie1975

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John Kelly said:
Glad we're having this open discussion about black head coaches.

Remember Super Bowl XLI in 2007 between the Colts and Bears.

The major storyline heading into the game was the coaching matchup of Tony Dungy and Lovie Smith, two black head coaches competing in the NFL's ultimate game.

If you're going to group coaches by race and highlight their successes, then it's only fair to group coaches by race and discuss their failures.

Unfortunately, there are some media outlets that only want to push their one-way narrative.

Trivia question: Name the event prior to said Super Bowl that featured two African-American head coaches squaring off in a major U.S. sport.

Answer: The 1975 NBA Finals between the Golden State Warriors (Al Attles) and Washington Wizards (K.C. Jones).
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same thing with politics and religion but it's tribal. political parties and certain religions (probably all of them actually) have a hard time looking at themselves in the mirror and saying "well, that did not go very well".

race is no different. it is all part of human frailty and insecurity ("my side is right and yours is wrong" syndrome).
 
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homie1975

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Wade said:
black coaches are going down today guaranteed. you can parlay it for maximum profit.
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you're really going out on a limb there -- they are playing a #1 and #2 seed, respectively.

I am rooting NOVA for my bracket and HOUSTON just for you :cool:
 
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homie1975 said:
same thing with politics and religion but it's tribal. political parties and certain religions (probably all of them actually) have a hard time looking at themselves in the mirror and saying "well, that did not go very well".

race is no different. it is all part of human frailty and insecurity ("my side is right and yours is wrong" syndrome).
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And beware when a religion hijacks a political party or the other way around.
 
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homie1975

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Heim said:
Kelvin Sampson full black?

If only half, then I'm on him 1H ))
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maybe Native American ?? I found this online on a forum:

Oklahoma coach Kelvin Sampson, a native of Laurinburg, is a full-blooded Lumbee Indian, a member of the tribe of 50,000 concentrated in Robeson County. He grew up in Pembroke and played basketball for North Carolina's one-time Indian college, Pembroke State.
 
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