Is LBJ the best defensive player in the NBA?

GameBred

I Trade Therefore I Am
Yeah, the things LeBron is doing on the court this year has nothing to do with whether or not his team reaches the finals or wins a championship. If his team wins the title, the haters will give all the credit to AD, and if they don't win the title, the haters will place all the blame on LeBron, but winning a title or not doesn't change the fact that the guy is doing things this late in his career that are amazing. The other star in LA is 28 and in his 8th season, and he decides to sit out every other game, LeBron is 35 in his 17th season, and he's out there every fucking night, I don't think there will ever be another like him, who knows maybe I'm wrong, but I can't imagine a basketball player replicating his career and doing it an elite level this deep into a career
If that's what it takes to get a Chip, then let em hate :)
 
How did everything go today topper?

threw up on 2nd bottle...up all night ... took uber there... a new group took over the doctor. So the doctor wanted someone to drive me home not uber to limit liability could not do it....wasted day 250 fine probably from doctor group...plus uber fees. :mad: need to bet more today.:unsure:..I saw your post glad yours went well :)
 

kane

EOG master
If that's what it takes to get a Chip, then let em hate :)
So let's say the Lakers win it all, then the haters go from 6-3 to 6-4, it makes no difference to them, and if the Lakers win three in a row and it's 6-6, then the haters will say Jordan was 6-0, it makes literally no difference how the rest of LeBron's career plays out, the haters will always hate, LeBron James is the best all around player the game has ever seen, and winning three more titles or not winning anymore doesn't change that fact
 

kane

EOG master
threw up on 2nd bottle...up all night ... took uber there... a new group took over the doctor. So the doctor wanted someone to drive me home not uber to limit liability could not do it....wasted day 250 fine probably from doctor group...plus uber fees. :mad: need to bet more today.:unsure:..I saw your post glad yours went well :)
Does this mean you didn't have the colonoscopy?
 

GameBred

I Trade Therefore I Am
So let's say the Lakers win it all, then the haters go from 6-3 to 6-4, it makes no difference to them, and if the Lakers win three in a row and it's 6-6, then the haters will say Jordan was 6-0, it makes literally no difference how the rest of LeBron's career plays out, the haters will always hate, LeBron James is the best all around player the game has ever seen, and winning three more titles or not winning anymore doesn't change that fact
We knew that when he led his team to a title while leading both teams in Pts, Rbs, Asts, blocks and steals while up against the best regualar season team ever led by the first ever unanimous MVP.... who was a PG, you can't get more assists than the guy? More steals? More pts?
 

kane

EOG master
correct... it is a push.. do it with someone picking me up or not do it at all..
Holy shit that sucks, you just should have told them you had a ride home, then after the procedure you could have figured things out from there, but at least you would have gotten it done, now you have to go through the prep day all over again
 

GameBred

I Trade Therefore I Am
So let's say the Lakers win it all, then the haters go from 6-3 to 6-4, it makes no difference to them, and if the Lakers win three in a row and it's 6-6, then the haters will say Jordan was 6-0, it makes literally no difference how the rest of LeBron's career plays out, the haters will always hate, LeBron James is the best all around player the game has ever seen, and winning three more titles or not winning anymore doesn't change that fact
One of the best debiasing exercises you can do is to write a short thesis on your position; basically make an argument for the other side. I don't know what I would say as an MJ guy that holds any water. I guess the 6-0 angle is the play; it's played out but what else is there?
 
Holy shit that sucks, you just should have told them you had a ride home, then after the procedure you could have figured things out from there, but at least you would have gotten it done, now you have to go through the prep day all over again

you are right.. but I did not think ahead.. but i did vomit in the doctor's waiting room.
 

kane

EOG master
One of the best debiasing exercises you can do is to write a short thesis on your position; basically make an argument for the other side. I don't know what I would say as an MJ guy that holds any water. I guess the 6-0 angle is the play; it's played out but what else is there?[/QUOTE]

There is nothing else, which is why that's their go to move, I really need some sleep I cannbarley keep my eyes open, talk to you guys in a couple hours
 

FairWarning

Bells Beer Connoisseur
One of the best debiasing exercises you can do is to write a short thesis on your position; basically make an argument for the other side. I don't know what I would say as an MJ guy that holds any water. I guess the 6-0 angle is the play; it's played out but what else is there?
Lol
 

FairWarning

Bells Beer Connoisseur
Okay, but that has nothing to do with what we've been talking about, nothing can take away from LeBron's greatness, it makes no difference if he wins another title or not, nothing can take away from his greatness on the basketball court
Shouldn’t LBJ be graded on a little different scale if he is a top player? Wouldn’t a big difference between LBJ and Oscar Robertson or Elgin Baylor be titles? Obviously titles isn’t the most important thing, but it’s a thing.
 
I wonder if Jordan ever led the league is assists, hold on while I check
I wonder if Brick will win more than one scoring title.

There's talk that Brick may not be the best player on his team, yet alone the league. It's happened many years where it was questioned if Brick was the best. When Jordan played with the Bulls, the whole world knew Jordan was the best in the game.
 

kane

EOG master
Shouldn’t LBJ be graded on a little different scale if he is a top player? Wouldn’t a big difference between LBJ and Oscar Robertson or Elgin Baylor be titles? Obviously titles isn’t the most important thing, but it’s a thing.
he has the same number of titles as Larry Bird, is there anyone who doubts Bird is a top 5 player of all time, and like I said before, championships aren't how I judge a players greatness. Brees and Rodgers are two of the all time greats, they have one championship each, Bonds and Griffey have none
 

kane

EOG master
and how many times did he lead the league in scoring? Jordan led 10 years in a row, including the last year with the Bulls when he was 35.
By the time he retires he'll likely be the league's all time leading scorer, he doesn't have to lead the league in any one year, he'll just end up with more points than anyone whoever played the game
 

kane

EOG master
And if the GOAT has only won one scoring title, it will make it even more impressive when he eventually passes Kareem as the league's all time leading scorer
 
And if the GOAT has only won one scoring title, it will make it even more impressive when he eventually passes Kareem as the league's all time leading scorer

NBA totals have gone up 30-50 pts a game since LeBron started playing. Everyone is scoring more on average
 
NBA MVP ODDS REPORT (FEB. 13)
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Giannis Antetokounmpo (-390): The Bucks are on pace for an historic point differential and are top four in both offensive and defensive rating as we head into the ASB. Giannis has obviously been at the center of their dominance with the top PER (32.2) and top defensive rating (96.5) in the NBA this season. It’s almost impossible to argue with those numbers from an efficiency standpoint, and the bulk averages (30 PPG, 13.5 RPG, 5.8 APG, 2.2 STL/BLK per game) seal the argument that Giannis is clearly the best player on the best team in the NBA. It would likely take an injury or a precipitous collapse for another candidate to pass him.

Antetokounmpo’s odds sat around +120 on DraftKings Sportsbook over the first two months and moved to around -139 when the Bucks became a serious threat to vie for 70-plus wins this season. Now that Luka Doncic and James Harden have lost momentum as MVP candidates, Giannis is the prohibitive favorite at -400 odds on DK.

LeBron James (+700): The perennial MVP candidate is gaining some momentum after another transcendent performance (33 points, 12 rebounds, 14 assists) in a 120-116 OT win at Denver before the break. The Lakers have won 17 straight road games against WCF foes (only loss in their opener at Clippers) and LeBron is unquestionably the reason for that feat of mental toughness. He leads the league in APG (10.8) and is buying on the defensive end. However, fans of advanced metrics will note that LeBron ranks fifth or lower in Win Shares, Box Plus/Minus, and Value Over Replacement. Plus, he has another MVP candidate and the frontrunner for Defensive Player of the Year on his team in Anthony Davis.

Luka Doncic (+700): Oddsmakers at DK Sportsbook are still giving Doncic a legitimate shot with +500 odds. It’s worth noting that he’s the second favorite (+175 odds) to win Most Improved Player of the Year behind Brandon Ingram (+150). That award could serve as a consolation prize for a fantastic 20-year-old, who is likely a couple years away from dominating throughout a full season. Doncic has missed 11 games this season with ankle injuries, which hurts his case.
https://www.thelines.com/odds/nba-mvp/
 
Raiders still trolling? Christ, guy won’t give it up.

LBJ better in every facet than Jordan except FT%. Not even close. Look at stats, look at who LeBron has to play against. Jordan was playing against unathletic 6’3 guys.

Jordan wouldn’t have won nearly as much without Phil or Pippen. Guy was the best of his generation, but wouldn’t be top 10 in today’s nba. He wasn’t a three point shooter and he’d get abused by the athleticism of the t10 players nowadays.

But he’d shoot better in a season than LBJ and Raiders would hold onto that. This is his worst take. If it isn’t trolling, it’s pure stupidity.

Raiders legit just typed Jokic ahead of LB. LMAO
 
Never heard of you Pal and now I know why. I didn't have Jokic ahead of Brick.

Brick's high in blocks is 1.1. Jordan had years of 1.2, 1.5 and 1.6. Brick has more turnovers. Jordan 9 years All-Defense and 1 DPOY. Jordan led the league in scoring for 10 years in a row and led the league in steals for 3 years but Brick is better in every facet of the game.
 
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GameBred

I Trade Therefore I Am
Raiders still trolling? Christ, guy won’t give it up.

LBJ better in every facet than Jordan except FT%. Not even close. Look at stats, look at who LeBron has to play against. Jordan was playing against unathletic 6’3 guys.

Jordan wouldn’t have won nearly as much without Phil or Pippen. Guy was the best of his generation, but wouldn’t be top 10 in today’s nba. He wasn’t a three point shooter and he’d get abused by the athleticism of the t10 players nowadays.

But he’d shoot better in a season than LBJ and Raiders would hold onto that. This is his worst take. If it isn’t trolling, it’s pure stupidity.

Raiders legit just typed Jokic ahead of LB. LMAO
This isn't talked about enough. LBJ never benefited from expansion and the game is much more global now. The standard deviation of skills has reduced since MJ's day, the average player is simply better now

We're agreed, there is no debate except amongst the Never-LeBroners. They can't tell you why MJ is better, but he's better :)
 
Jordan was quicker and had a higher vertical jump. Above I posted a lot of things that Jordan was better at., blocks, steals, shooting, FTs, scoring, defense. The biggest difference between the two is mental make up. Jordan has that killer instinct. Jordan always fights while Brick may flight.
 
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GameBred

I Trade Therefore I Am
Jordan was quicker and had a higher vertical jump. Above I posted a lot of things that Jordan was better at., blocks, steals, shooting, FTs, scoring, defense. The biggest difference between the two is mental make up. Jordan has that killer instinct. Jordan always fights while Brick may flight.
The only problem is you have no credibility.
 
7 examples of LeBron James not trying on defense that are way lazier than Kyle Kuzma’s shove
https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2019/3/5/18251485/lebron-james-defense-lakers-kyle-kuzma-shove-video

'SportsCenter' highlight exposes LeBron's lackadaisical defense
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/02/lebron-james-defense-lakers-grizzlies-sportscenter

NBA
Windhorst says LeBron's defense has been 'horrific'

Brian Windhorst doesn't think LeBron James should be taking shots at teammates because James is having the worst defensive season of his career.
https://www.persources.com/lebrons-defensive-effort/

Clips of LeBron James’ hideous defense show why he’s in no position to chide Lakers teammates
https://clutchpoints.com/lakers-vid...-show-why-hes-in-no-position-chide-teammates/
 

FairWarning

Bells Beer Connoisseur
This isn't talked about enough. LBJ never benefited from expansion and the game is much more global now. The standard deviation of skills has reduced since MJ's day, the average player is simply better now

We're agreed, there is no debate except amongst the Never-LeBroners. They can't tell you why MJ is better, but he's better :)
What skill is there in playing a zone D against 4 players behind the 3-point line? The shooting is obviously better now, but in terms of hoops smarts, no way. The entire first round is one and done players or some 18-YO from Europe. They just don’t have the experience like the players had 20 years ago.
 

GameBred

I Trade Therefore I Am
Jordan was quicker and had a higher vertical jump. Above I posted a lot of things that Jordan was better at., blocks, steals, shooting, FTs, scoring, defense. The biggest difference between the two is mental make up. Jordan has that killer instinct. Jordan always fights while Brick may flight.
The guy never made it to 4 Finals in a row and he had to retire 2x due to burn out.

He's more clutch than LBJ..... No, he isn't.

Look at the Warriors, they went to like 4 or 5 in a row and none of those guys can even stand up. It takes extreme mental discipline for LBJ to stay in as sick of shape as he is in.
 
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