Jimmy Butler unstoppable in the second half

kane

EOG master
Spo hasn't lost anything, the reason they keep blowing these leads is because they only have one scorer on the team, Herro is the only player on the entire roster capable of dropping 30 in any game, that's it, just him, Bam is still solid defensively, although he lost the game last night with a bone headed foul with less than a second to play, but for as good on defense as he is, he's regressed on the offensive end, no one knows why, but he hasn't been good offensively this year, this is a flawed roster, not Spo's fault he has one guy who can score, every team in the league, even the bad ones, have at least two scorers on the their team, the Heat has Herro, that's it, on offense they have one scorer and 14 role players, Jaquez, Jovic, Rozier, Highsmith, Duncan, Ware, Larsson, Bam, Burks, and Love are all role players, not one of them is capable of taking the scoring load off of Herro. That's why they continue to lose big leads, the other team comes down the court with 3 or 4 guys who can get a bucket, the Heat have 1 guy, has nothing to do with Spo, if anything it's to his credit they have as good a record as they do considering the roster they have, you want to blame Riley for some moves he's made, that's fair, but don't hang any of this around the neck of Spo, the guy can only do so much with what he has to work with. Last night in the final minutes, the Kings double teamed Herro, which forced the ball to another player, there wasn't any other guy on the court able to hit a shot to stem the Kings momentum, that's why they keep blowing big leads, they have only one guy capable of getting a bucket, and on night when Herro is off, fucking forget about it, they can't score
 

kane

EOG master
Pistons are better than Heat.
I told you before the season started they would be fighting for the 7th or 8th seed, you said they could get the third seed, you said they could win 50 games, I've been telling you all season they're not as good as you think they are, not sure the Pistons are better, but the gap is small
 

mr merlin

EOG Master
They blew it last night, but at least the players on the court all played hard and didn't dog it
No one says Butler isn't a top player who can win games and help the team - if he gives full effort. The problem is he want's to be begged to perform, that's not the way it works.
 

jimmythegreek

The opening odds start here
And if he's lost the fun, I don't expect Miami to stay in the 7th or 8th spot long after the ASB unless he's traded, which would likely be the adequate scenario for both him and the life of Riley who obviously doesn't condone his behavior as I have been saying for quite some time.
 

kane

EOG master
PPG

Herro 24
Bam 16
Rozier 12
Duncan 11
Jaquez 9
Highsmith 7
Jovic 9
Love 6
Larsson 4
Burks 6
Ware 5

It's hard to win when you only have one legitimate scorer on the roster
 

Dell Dude

EOG Master
I don't give a fuck about Jimmy's faults. He's no angel. It didn't have to be this way. Spo knows howid to handle personalities. Pat Riley does not. His way doesn't work in 2024. Same thing happened with Jerry Sloan. If Pat Riley wasn't an asshole, we get 1 more playoffs Jimmy year. Now that is in doubt.
 

kane

EOG master
I don't give a fuck about Jimmy's faults. He's no angel. It didn't have to be this way. Spo knows howid to handle personalities. Pat Riley does not. His way doesn't work in 2024. Same thing happened with Jerry Sloan. If Pat Riley wasn't an asshole, we get 1 more playoffs Jimmy year. Now that is in doubt.
Do you think the Heat should have given him a contract extension before the season? That's the reason why Butler lost his joy, I keep telling you it has little to do with what Riley said and more to do with him not getting an extension, the reason they didn't extend him has nothing to do with his play and everything to do with him missing too many games ever year, I posted this once and I'll do it again, since he's been in Miami, he's played 313 games of a possible 444, that equates to 70% of total games played, which means he's missed 3 out of every 10 games since he's been here, sorry Dell but that's just not good enough, you can't have your best player missing 30% of the season every year, before giving him 50M per year, the Heat wanted Butler to prove he can stay healthy, again, it had nothing to do with performance, they were happy with his on court play, they just wanted him to play more games than he's had, for whatever reason Butler was upset at the Heat's approach, he wanted a new contract before the season, so you can keep calling Riley an asshole, you can keep blaming him for what he said during the offseason, but if you think the Heat handled the situation wrong, then you're saying they should have extended him before the season, you're saying they should have made a 50M per year commitment to a player who has missed 30% of the games during his time here, and that's fine, but the Heat didn't want to make that type of commitment, they thought Butler would handle the situation like a professional, he hasn't, he's acted like a child, Riley and the Heat have done nothing wrong, this is all on Butler, we'll have to see things differently
 
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kane

EOG master
Okay, there's nothing more I can say, I watch almost every game they play, I follow all their beat writers, I read everything they write, I follow this team closer than any other sports team, I don't where you get your info from in order to formulate your opinions, but if you're going with fan Twitter accounts, you're probably better served listening to what Barry Jackson, Ira Winderman, and Anthony Chiang have to say
 

kane

EOG master
According to multiple sources, Butler has grown disenchanted for several reasons, primarily the Heat’s reluctance to give him a max extension through the 2026-27 season. Barring a change of heart, he now is intending to become a free agent next summer instead of exercising his $52.8 million player option for 2025-26.
 

kane

EOG master
Dell, if you really want to know about all things Heat related, these are the Twitter accounts you should be following

 

boston massacre

EOG Master
According to multiple sources, Butler has grown disenchanted for several reasons, primarily the Heat’s reluctance to give him a max extension through the 2026-27 season. Barring a change of heart, he now is intending to become a free agent next summer instead of exercising his $52.8 million player option for 2025-26.


He's a Punk.

He's Been a Problem Everywhere.

Chicago , Minnesota , Philly , and Now Miami.

Win a Championship.

Then Talk About Your Max Extension.

Zero Rings.

Get Lost.

Find another Sucker To Take You.
 

kane

EOG master
What jeopardy? With him they're a mid level playoff team that wont go very far - who cares?
With him fully engaged, they're a mid level playoff team that is capable of making a deep playoff run, like they did two years ago, with him dogging it they have no chance and without him they have no chance
 

kane

EOG master
You may be right about Jimmy but I'm not there yet. Still on his side.
Let me ask you something, do you think it was right for him to return from his illness and not give full effort in the games he played, and it isn't just me saying he was dogging it, others saw it too, I've seen almost every game he's played in Miami, the Butler that played those two games isn't the player I've watched for the last 5 years, do you think it's acceptable for him to not play hard? Regardless of who you blame for the situation, do you think it's okay for him to play like he doesn't care, keep in mind he's making 48M this year, not that his salary should even matter
 

kane

EOG master
That's what I want.
It's what I want as well, so far the offers they've gotten haven't been close to what the Heat are looking for, teams are low balling them figuring they have to move him and will just accept a bad package, if the Heat don't get something they like, I would keep him and play him, if he continues to dog it on the court, it's a bad look for him, if he balls out, it gives the team a chance, if he doesn't play hard, he'll get skewered by the media and embarrass himself
 

kane

EOG master
As long as he didn't dog it as bad as Lebron.
Deflection noted, I'll ask you again, do you think Butler not being engaged and dogging it on the court is an acceptable way for him to handle the situation, I know you put all the blame on Riley, but I'm asking if you think him not giving his best effort is the right way for him to handle things
 

mr merlin

EOG Master
Deflection noted, I'll ask you again, do you think Butler not being engaged and dogging it on the court is an acceptable way for him to handle the situation, I know you put all the blame on Riley, but I'm asking if you think him not giving his best effort is the right way for him to handle things
He's already dogged it and cost them games, he's already apparently faked injuries and sat out more, and now he's suspended and prob cost them another 3-4-5 games. Games played now are just as important as late in the season.

Who needs a player like that?
 

kane

EOG master
Hours before Butler’s fiery postgame news conference on Thursday, there was a conversation between Heat officials and Butler’s representation, according to league sources. Butler was bothered after the discussion because Butler and his agent perceived that Heat officials were implying that Butler didn’t play his hardest in the Heat’s home win over the New Orleans Pelicans on Wednesday. Butler scored nine points on five shots and did not play in the fourth quarter of that contest in his first game after a five-game absence stemming from an illness.

Not playing his hardest is putting it nice, he played like he didn't give a fuck, he was just out there not engaged at all.

I'll only ask you one more time, if you choose not to answer, fine, but I'll only ask you one more time.

Regardless of who is to blame, do you think the right way for Butler to deal with the situation is to not give his full effort while he's on the court?
 

kane

EOG master
I don't give a shit if he dogs it in the regular season. As long as he brings it for the playoffs.
Okay, but what you fail to understand is, by him dogging it during the season it hurts the team's chances of even getting into the playoffs, because with him dogging it during the regular season, there's no way they finish top 6, which means they'll end up in the play in game, the Heat aren't the Celtics, if Jayson Tatum or Jaylen Brown don't play hard some games, it doesn't matter, you know they'll both be there every night when the playoffs start, the Heat needs to scratch and claw their way into the playoffs, nothing is guaranteed with them, okay at least you answered my question. All I'll add is, you're the same guy who posted a misleading two minute clip of LeBron supposedly not playing hard and was bothered up by it, even though I proved how misleading the clip was and that LeBron did nothing wrong, my point is you had a problem with what you thought was LeBron dogging it for a two minute stretch in one game, but don't have a problem with Butler dogging it the entire regular season, that makes no sense at all to me, but one guy you hate and the other you like, so I guess it does make sense
 
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