John Elway

#1
Mission accomplished. Broncos destroyed.

Horrible GM really

He inherited a stud defense, which is now a shell of its former self.

Could never pick a qb worth a damn.
Got lucky with Manning, who at the time of trade couldnt throw 20 yards.
 
#2
Ummm not the way it happened, inherited a defense? Anyways the leash is shortening and once a new owner is determined he may not survive another poor season. Current caretaker will never fire him.
 

winkyduck

TYVM Morgan William!!!
#3
I have been rooting for this team since the first SB run. Elway is one of the all-time greatest QBs EVER! There is no debating that

Elway is a mediocre player evaluator - and that is being very kind. Hasn't drafted a decent QB, yet and because Lock will miss some time his usefulness is TBD. Where Lock was picked he was worth a shot but the jury is very much debating this pick

Flacco looked like a statue tonight and he runs as fast as one. If the Raiders pathetic D got to him imagine what Da Bears will probably do to him Sunday! Broncos O/U RSW was 7.......pretty much priced the same both ways. Right now U7 looks decent

.......................and let's talk about how STUPID Fangio was in 4Q. You are trailing by 15 with 8+ left and on 4th down you..................KICK A FG!? Really So you make it. You are now down 12 - meaning 2 scores. Made no sense to kick a FG when you need 15 points
 
#4
I think the mistake the team made was not using the preseason well. Flacco showed little decisiveness in his throws and you could see his receivers were not on the same page at times. This offense should be able to eat up an aggressive defense like the Raiders were playing with quick hits to hot reads but Flacco clearly didnt bring that tonight and Lock would certainly be worse. If they had actually used the preseason games to develop some game timing and feel, instead of confirming they had to cut the other crap QBs, things might have looked different. In any event Flacco is a one and done, if Lock looks decent they draft a QB day three next year. If he's not looking good then someone is getting picked in the first round. Will Elway be making that decision, TBD.

And yeah the FG was a joke. Didn't really affect the game so hopefully the staff realizes their error and cleans simple strategy errors up soon before they do cost a win.
 

TheGuesser

EOG Dedicated
#5
I have been rooting for this team since the first SB run. Elway is one of the all-time greatest QBs EVER! There is no debating that

Elway is a mediocre player evaluator - and that is being very kind. Hasn't drafted a decent QB, yet and because Lock will miss some time his usefulness is TBD. Where Lock was picked he was worth a shot but the jury is very much debating this pick

Flacco looked like a statue tonight and he runs as fast as one. If the Raiders pathetic D got to him imagine what Da Bears will probably do to him Sunday! Broncos O/U RSW was 7.......pretty much priced the same both ways. Right now U7 looks decent

.......................and let's talk about how STUPID Fangio was in 4Q. You are trailing by 15 with 8+ left and on 4th down you..................KICK A FG!? Really So you make it. You are now down 12 - meaning 2 scores. Made no sense to kick a FG when you need 15 points
One of the talking heads should have been quick to point this out. You know someone like Al Michaels would have.
 
#6
Ellway doesn’t get it. After their super bowl win and Kubiak left they already had Wade Phillips on staff as DC. Any smart GM hires another offensive minded HC and lets Phillips continue to do his thing. Elway instead hires Vance Joseph who was DC for the Dolphins and Phillips leaves because he’s been neutered.

The way the game has gone its best to hire offensive guys for HC but Elway didn’t learn his lesson as he hired Fangio
 
#7
.......................and let's talk about how STUPID Fangio was in 4Q. You are trailing by 15 with 8+ left and on 4th down you..................KICK A FG!? Really So you make it. You are now down 12 - meaning 2 scores. Made no sense to kick a FG when you need 15 points
By kicking a FG he might win the game in regulation with 2 more scores that are TDs plus a convert on one of those TDs. By going for it & failing on 4th down he would need at least two TDs, both converted, including at least one successful 2 point try (a 50-50 proposition), just to tie the game which could still be lost. So adding 3 points for his team certainly improves his chances of winning the game relative to getting nothing. How advantageous or detrimental it would be to go for it on 4th down would depend on various factors, such as how long the FG is, weather conditions, how much yardage is needed to get a first down or touchdown, etc (which you didn't go into & i didn't watch the game).
 
#8
Ellway doesn’t get it. After their super bowl win and Kubiak left they already had Wade Phillips on staff as DC. Any smart GM hires another offensive minded HC and lets Phillips continue to do his thing. Elway instead hires Vance Joseph who was DC for the Dolphins and Phillips leaves because he’s been neutered.

The way the game has gone its best to hire offensive guys for HC but Elway didn’t learn his lesson as he hired Fangio
He tried to get Kyle Shanahan but got rebuffed because Elway holds too much power. As long as he's seen as a meddler who only wants a basic coach he won't get much beyond a Fangio or a VJ type who is thankful for the opportunity. I think Fangio was a good hire at this point, but clearly Joseph was not. And Wade wanted more money and a lengthy extension so he was not going to stay.

Easy to question a team and GM but that's the way it is when you go all in to win a title. Lots of aging free agent acquisitions led that team, can't keep that around for long. But mission accomplished, he got two SBs and a title out of it, most franchise would kill for a stretch like that.
 
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